Good News for Windows XP Users...

On 05/06/2014 11:32 AM, Caver1 wrote:
On 05/06/2014 12:07 PM, BillW50 wrote:
"Caver1" wrote in message
...
On 05/06/2014 06:12 AM, BillW50 wrote:

Sure, it is the OS that is crazier than a three-ring circus with 306
distros and counting. The Linux community doesn't believe in
standardization either. Because there wouldn't be 300+ distros if
they did. And it is very tough to write applications that would run
on 300+ distros. So you end up with many lame basic applications like
Firefox, Thunderbird, LibreOffice, VLC, etc. Hell Android, iOS,
Windows RT, Palm OS, etc can do that stuff too. So I've never found
one killer app for Linux in all of these years.

Wow! I had to dig up my old post because whatever you used to quote it
sure screwed it up. Compare the above to your quoted version. Big
difference.

You're fooling only yourself. I didn't quote anything. That was a direct
follow up to the newsgroup. Go back and look at it again there is no
difference. If there is prove it.

Yeah well you are going to have to wait. As Thunderbird under Windows
and Linux isn't showing your original post at all.

You only have to write for a Linux desktop environment such as KDE,
Gnome. Then a distribution that uses that desktop environment can use
it. There is no reason to try to think you have to write for a
specific distribution. The Linux kernel Is written so that a user can
customize it easily for his/her needs or wants. Such as Cern, Pixar,
Nasa, me, just to name a few.

Naw it is a huge mess. Touch screens for example is now the new fade
(maybe one that will last for generations to come). Virtually all OS
support it right out of the box. But not Linux! Linux is that OS that
always lags behind everything else. Try to get Linux to learn a new
trick is like a pulling a lazy donkey while it kicks and screams.

Like I said You haven't really used Linux especially recently.

Really? This looks like Linux. It works like Linux. Go figure.

And it remains very stable. Unlike MS which will not let you see their
code, and is not as stable.

My Windows machines are all stable. Although I am not into beta testing
the latest and greatest Windows versions. I wait until they have been
proven stable.

It is not as stable as Linux and you run into many more problems with
windows- bloatware, viruses, update problems, errors that can't be
figured out by anyone so the suggestion is to reload windows and start
over. I can go on from there.

Really? I usually install Windows once and that is it and I am done. Not
so with Linux. Even this distro is outdated and I need to wipe it out
and to start all over again. Although I get really tired of this crap
from Linux. It is like driving on the same road that is always under
construction.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Ubuntu 12.04.1
Centrino Core Duo T2300 1.66GHz - 1GB - Thunderbird v15

On 06/05/2014 14:45, Caver1 wrote:



What work can't you do in Linux?
Obviously really haven't really used you Linux for work. Especially
lately.

File my Tax Returns and to do my Accounts.

On 05/06/2014 12:57 PM, Good Guy wrote:
On 06/05/2014 14:45, Caver1 wrote:



What work can't you do in Linux?
Obviously really haven't really used you Linux for work. Especially
lately.

File my Tax Returns

Zip, you are correct. Maybe you can find something
that runs in Wine. There is a users group you can ask.

and to do my Accounts.

GNU Cash. There is a Windows version you can try out.

Todd wrote:


Most of the time my virtual machines remain off. I only
use XP for Work. The other VM's are just to support
customers. W7 and F8 are SSSSSLLLLLLOOOOOWWWWW (and
unstable) up against XP on the same hardware. F8 is
just unusably weird. I don't have a single customer
with F8 who isn't angry over it.

VirtualBox has some support for accelerated graphics.
Try the tick boxes here.

(It's hard to get this site to display anything, without
the very annoying flashing adverts. Be careful where you
click. Try the image itself, right click and "view image".)

http://i57.tinypic.com/14v1ylj.jpg
http://oi57.tinypic.com/14v1ylj.jpg

By running dxdiag in your Windows VM, before changing
the setting, then going back and using dxdiag a second
time, you can tell whether that setting made a difference
or not. In terms of the facilities that Windows can use.

I have no idea whether that is just DirectX, or includes
OpenGL as well. I presume it hands off at a "high level",
and doesn't give register level access to the video
card itself.

Paul

BillW50 has written on 5/6/2014 3:08 PM:

Really? I usually install Windows once and that is it and I am done.

So you never install any Windows updates??

Good Guy has written on 5/6/2014 3:57 PM:
On 06/05/2014 14:45, Caver1 wrote:

What work can't you do in Linux?

File my Tax Returns and to do my Accounts.

What Windows programs do you use to do those?

On 05/06/2014 01:18 PM, Alek Trishan wrote:
BillW50 has written on 5/6/2014 3:08 PM:

Really? I usually install Windows once and that is it and I am done.

So you never install any Windows updates??

And hold your breath hoping your machine will boot
back up?

Todd wrote:
On 05/06/2014 01:07 PM, Paul wrote:
Todd wrote:


Most of the time my virtual machines remain off. I only
use XP for Work. The other VM's are just to support
customers. W7 and F8 are SSSSSLLLLLLOOOOOWWWWW (and
unstable) up against XP on the same hardware. F8 is
just unusably weird. I don't have a single customer
with F8 who isn't angry over it.

VirtualBox has some support for accelerated graphics.
Try the tick boxes here.

(It's hard to get this site to display anything, without
the very annoying flashing adverts. Be careful where you
click. Try the image itself, right click and "view image".)

http://i57.tinypic.com/14v1ylj.jpg
http://oi57.tinypic.com/14v1ylj.jpg

By running dxdiag in your Windows VM, before changing
the setting, then going back and using dxdiag a second
time, you can tell whether that setting made a difference
or not. In terms of the facilities that Windows can use.

I have no idea whether that is just DirectX, or includes
OpenGL as well. I presume it hands off at a "high level",
and doesn't give register level access to the video
card itself.

Paul

Hi Paul,

I am running Red Hat KVM (Kernel Virtual Machine)
with SPICE drivers (very accelerated). They
go like the wind. The last bench marks I looked at,
and they were probably two years ago, KVM was
the fastest and most stable. (I got fired from
one customer for using Virtual Box.)

When you run a Fedora Core 20 VM against an XP
VM against an W7/F8 VM, you get a real belly full.
FC20 is about 50% faster than XP. XP is about
200% faster than W7 and F8.

I can not tell any speed difference between
my FC20 VM and my native Scientific Linux.

These SPICE drivers can be run from any machine
to your VM. Sort of like an advanced Terminal
Services. Kind of cool stuff. SPICE is working
on tablet drives too: run your vm from your iPhone.

-T

The best drivers, are a binary blob that comes
from the manufacturer.

Paul

On 14-05-06 02:42 PM, Todd wrote:

Hi Silver,

The "media formats" discussion has always confounded me.
There are indeed a lot of half-baked media players in
Linux, but so what. Windows has a lot of half baked
ones too. Just install VLC. It eats up everything I
have ever thrown at it.

I love Linux, but still have to run virtual machines
of Windows for the things I can't find Linux subs for:
WSUS, Go To Assist, sometimes Acrobat Pro (it has started
to run acceptable in Wine).

Most of the time my virtual machines remain off. I only
use XP for Work. The other VM's are just to support
customers. W7 and F8 are SSSSSLLLLLLOOOOOWWWWW (and
unstable) up against XP on the same hardware. F8 is
just unusably weird. I don't have a single customer
with F8 who isn't angry over it.

Linux is superior, and not just by a little, to Windows
in every technical aspect. Linux's down fall is the
lack of off the shelf applications. One must have their
Quick Books. Sigh ...

In terms of serving the needs of most people, Ubuntu is already
excellent. I find it to be the most polished GNU/Linux out there and I
generally enjoy using it whereas I always find something to dislike
about other distributions. The only thing I'm missing, personally, is
Blu-Ray playback software.

--
Silver Slimer
Wikipedia & OpenMedia Supporter

On 05/06/2014 12:33 PM, Alek Trishan wrote:
Caver1 has written on 5/6/2014 12:10 PM:

Joe, the Joe's Own Editor, has the feel of most PC text editors: the key
sequences are reminiscent of WordStar and Turbo C editors, but the feature
set is much larger than of those. Joe has all of the features a Unix
user should expect: full use of termcap/terminfo, complete VI-style Unix
integration, a powerful configuration file, and regular expression search
system. It also has six help reference cards which are always available,
and an intuitive, simple, and well thought-out user interface.

I couldn't find a Windows executable for Joe. Any ideas?


The reference to Joe was to show BillW50 that there was a Linux
alternative to his old WordStar program (and a better one). I don't
think there is a Windows version.

--
Caver1

On 05/06/2014 01:28 PM, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 14-05-06 06:28 AM, mechanic wrote:
On Tue, 6 May 2014 05:12:18 -0500, BillW50 wrote:

So I've never found one killer app for Linux in all of these
years.

Shotwell? Nothing better on Windows or Linux (don't know about
Apple).


The problem with GNU/Linux killer apps is that they're not exclusive in
any way. Shotwell is nice, so is Handbrake and LibreOffice. They're all
free but they're also available for other operating systems. For
something to be a killer app, it has to be exclusive and in this case,
no GNU/Linux software is.



That doesn't mean that Windows is better.
None of the "Killer" apps in Windows is free or multi platform. So Linux
supplies good software for everybody. Windows doesn't. Not all Linux
software is multi platform. So some GNU/Linux software is.
--
Caver1

On 05/06/2014 03:08 PM, BillW50 wrote:
On 05/06/2014 11:32 AM, Caver1 wrote:
On 05/06/2014 12:07 PM, BillW50 wrote:
"Caver1" wrote in message
...
On 05/06/2014 06:12 AM, BillW50 wrote:

Sure, it is the OS that is crazier than a three-ring circus with 306
distros and counting. The Linux community doesn't believe in
standardization either. Because there wouldn't be 300+ distros if
they did. And it is very tough to write applications that would run
on 300+ distros. So you end up with many lame basic applications like
Firefox, Thunderbird, LibreOffice, VLC, etc. Hell Android, iOS,
Windows RT, Palm OS, etc can do that stuff too. So I've never found
one killer app for Linux in all of these years.

Wow! I had to dig up my old post because whatever you used to quote it
sure screwed it up. Compare the above to your quoted version. Big
difference.

You're fooling only yourself. I didn't quote anything. That was a direct
follow up to the newsgroup. Go back and look at it again there is no
difference. If there is prove it.

Yeah well you are going to have to wait. As Thunderbird under Windows
and Linux isn't showing your original post at all.

That's funny I can see it in Thunderbird in Linux. Your's also. Anyways
the point was to prove what you said not me.
Still can't can you?



You only have to write for a Linux desktop environment such as KDE,
Gnome. Then a distribution that uses that desktop environment can use
it. There is no reason to try to think you have to write for a
specific distribution. The Linux kernel Is written so that a user can
customize it easily for his/her needs or wants. Such as Cern, Pixar,
Nasa, me, just to name a few.

Naw it is a huge mess. Touch screens for example is now the new fade
(maybe one that will last for generations to come). Virtually all OS
support it right out of the box. But not Linux! Linux is that OS that
always lags behind everything else. Try to get Linux to learn a new
trick is like a pulling a lazy donkey while it kicks and screams.

Like I said You haven't really used Linux especially recently.

Look at your comment below. " Even this distro is outdated..."
If you keep current with Windows and use Linux why don't you keep
current with Linux?
Really? This looks like Linux. It works like Linux. Go figure.

Works pretty good doesn't it?
If you regularly use Linux why are you so down on it. And since you are
so down on Linux why don't you stay with Windows? How do I know you're
not using an user agent spoofer?

And it remains very stable. Unlike MS which will not let you see their
code, and is not as stable.

My Windows machines are all stable. Although I am not into beta testing
the latest and greatest Windows versions. I wait until they have been
proven stable.

It is not as stable as Linux and you run into many more problems with
windows- bloatware, viruses, update problems, errors that can't be
figured out by anyone so the suggestion is to reload windows and start
over. I can go on from there.

Really? I usually install Windows once and that is it and I am done. Not
so with Linux. Even this distro is outdated and I need to wipe it out
and to start all over again. Although I get really tired of this crap
from Linux. It is like driving on the same road that is always under
construction.


I have been using Linux for years and never reinstalled an OS. Just do a
search and see how many times a Windows user has had to reinstall. I
also do maintenance on Windows machines. I'm not ignorant of that OS.
Why haven't you kept it updated? If you stay with the same root OS
(Debian,Redhat, etc.) All you have to do is keep your /Home partition
and load the new distro and you're fine. Unless you are trying to keep
your /Home from a 15 year old system. Things have progressed. Crap? How
about Windows? How many versions have they had? And how many times has
their software been updated and not compatible with the previous
version? Needed a Patch to fix the problem, several times. Office
software in the free software can usually import/export in many formats.
Such as Corel file types,Linux file tyoes, all of the different Windows
file types. Windows can't.
As far as I know you like the outdated stuff. WordStar, Palm. What else?


--
Caver1

On 05/06/2014 03:28 PM, Todd wrote:
On 05/06/2014 12:08 PM, BillW50 wrote:
It is not as stable as Linux and you run into many more problems with
windows- bloatware, viruses, update problems, errors that can't be
figured out by anyone so the suggestion is to reload windows and start
over. I can go on from there.

Really? I usually install Windows once and that is it and I am done. Not
so with Linux. Even this distro is outdated and I need to wipe it out
and to start all over again. Although I get really tired of this crap
from Linux. It is like driving on the same road that is always under
construction.

Hi Bill,

Switch to Fedora. Easy as heck to update to a new version:

As root:

rpmkeys --import /etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora-20-x86_64
yum clean all
yum update (there is a problem with repos and GPG keys, if you don't)
yum clean all
yum update fedora-release
yum update fedup (or "install")
fedup --network 20

Takes about one to two hours depending on Internet and
hardware performance.

I just read a posting form someone who loves Windows and it took him 4
hours to install Windows 8.1. He wanted to make sure that nothing went
wrong. He was worried. Heck it takes longer just to download Windows
updates than it takes Linux to download them and install them.

--

Caver1

I have done several and am tickled. Totally
uneventful

And no WIPING like upgrading from XP to W7+.

I am always tempted to wipe with Windows reinstall.
Or, at least rename the Windows directory. Gets rid
of all the built up trash.

-T

On 05/06/2014 03:57 PM, Good Guy wrote:
On 06/05/2014 14:45, Caver1 wrote:



What work can't you do in Linux?
Obviously really haven't really used you Linux for work. Especially
lately.

File my Tax Returns and to do my Accounts.




You can file your taxes in Linux. TaxAct works fine. There are
accounting programs in Linux.

--
Caver1

On 05/06/2014 04:06 PM, Todd wrote:
On 05/06/2014 12:57 PM, Good Guy wrote:
On 06/05/2014 14:45, Caver1 wrote:



What work can't you do in Linux?
Obviously really haven't really used you Linux for work. Especially
lately.

File my Tax Returns

Zip, you are correct. Maybe you can find something
that runs in Wine. There is a users group you can ask.

TaxAct.

--

Caver1

and to do my Accounts.

GNU Cash. There is a Windows version you can try out.