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  #16  
Old August 13th 14, 06:21 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
. . .winston
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Default MS 8.1 Update

A wrote:
. . .winston wrote:
Keith Nuttle wrote:
I downloaded the MS up date yesterday it comes with several critical and
one optional update. The optional update is as large as the several
critical updates.

Once applied I did not note any obvious differences. In fact from all
of the hype leading up to the update, I was slightly disappointed.

After the update I had to update Adobe Shockwave.


Has this upgrade gone that smooth that no one had problems, or have I
been tricked into download near 400 MB of male ware. ;-) Please don't
say Yes



Hi, Keith

Nothing earthshaking for this update (aka August update and incorrectly
referred to as Update 2). Some under-the-hood and some features.

MSFT lingo
qp
..customers can expect that we’ll use our already existing monthly
update process to deliver more frequent improvements along with the
security updates normally provided as part of “Update Tuesday.” So
despite rumors and speculation, we are not planning to deliver a Windows
8.1 “Update 2.”
/qp

In this case those features/improvements appear to be centered on only a
few areas
- touchpad, Miracast Receive, Login prompt delay for online
Sharepointe.

Afiacs, any significant changes won't be available until next year
(April 2015) when Windows 9 (or whatever its called) will hit GA
(General Availability) after RTM (Release to Manufacturing).





Do you know if Windows 9 will be a rental?

Nothing public is available on the form.

The current 'rumor' is that the next Windows will be available in the
same/similar forms as in the past for Consumers and Enterprise though a
lease-type/subscription version of the same deployment type as Office
365 would seem to be expected/inevitable for Win9 or later.

Other things of note that could have an impact.
Office 2013 (not 365) is no longer available as media in the retail
market (product pack includes a Product Key and download link).
Currently Windows 8.1 is only available as full version no upgrade
(Download from MSFT with media extra cost *or* Retail and OEM/System
Builder with media)
- thus Win9 could also follow one of both of those paths (no media,
all full version)in addition to a subscription version.

A few things seem probable based on how Win8.1 was handled.
- Windows 9, like Windows 8.1 won't be designed for installation on pcs
running Vista or XP.
- Upgrade installs using the full version (download or media) will only
retain files/settings when a supported o/s is present on the machine
(Win7, Win8, Win8.1 and/or setup.exe is run from within that supported
system...though its possible that Win7 to Win9 will only be custom
installs. Custom installs are clean installs.

As with anything MSFT, we'll know when they tell us.


--
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  #17  
Old August 13th 14, 06:29 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
A
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Default MS 8.1 Update

.. . .winston wrote:
A wrote:
. . .winston wrote:
Keith Nuttle wrote:
I downloaded the MS up date yesterday it comes with several critical
and
one optional update. The optional update is as large as the several
critical updates.

Once applied I did not note any obvious differences. In fact from all
of the hype leading up to the update, I was slightly disappointed.

After the update I had to update Adobe Shockwave.


Has this upgrade gone that smooth that no one had problems, or have I
been tricked into download near 400 MB of male ware. ;-) Please don't
say Yes


Hi, Keith

Nothing earthshaking for this update (aka August update and incorrectly
referred to as Update 2). Some under-the-hood and some features.

MSFT lingo
qp
..customers can expect that we’ll use our already existing monthly
update process to deliver more frequent improvements along with the
security updates normally provided as part of “Update Tuesday.” So
despite rumors and speculation, we are not planning to deliver a Windows
8.1 “Update 2.”
/qp

In this case those features/improvements appear to be centered on only a
few areas
- touchpad, Miracast Receive, Login prompt delay for online
Sharepointe.

Afiacs, any significant changes won't be available until next year
(April 2015) when Windows 9 (or whatever its called) will hit GA
(General Availability) after RTM (Release to Manufacturing).





Do you know if Windows 9 will be a rental?

Nothing public is available on the form.

The current 'rumor' is that the next Windows will be available in the
same/similar forms as in the past for Consumers and Enterprise though a
lease-type/subscription version of the same deployment type as Office
365 would seem to be expected/inevitable for Win9 or later.

Other things of note that could have an impact.
Office 2013 (not 365) is no longer available as media in the retail
market (product pack includes a Product Key and download link).
Currently Windows 8.1 is only available as full version no upgrade
(Download from MSFT with media extra cost *or* Retail and OEM/System
Builder with media)
- thus Win9 could also follow one of both of those paths (no media,
all full version)in addition to a subscription version.

A few things seem probable based on how Win8.1 was handled.
- Windows 9, like Windows 8.1 won't be designed for installation on pcs
running Vista or XP.
- Upgrade installs using the full version (download or media) will only
retain files/settings when a supported o/s is present on the machine
(Win7, Win8, Win8.1 and/or setup.exe is run from within that supported
system...though its possible that Win7 to Win9 will only be custom
installs. Custom installs are clean installs.

As with anything MSFT, we'll know when they tell us.



Thanks. I hope 9 isn't a rental only but, if so, I will continue to use
7 and 8 and slowly migrate to Linux. The idea that the OS, programs and
data is on their servers doesn't appeal to me very much. I can, though,
see how they will be able to sell it to users who just want it to work
and don't want to know how it works, how to fix it if it stops working
or have to do any updating.

--
A
  #18  
Old August 13th 14, 06:31 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Live[_3_]
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Default MS 8.1 Update


"s|b" wrote...
On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 08:19:19 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote:

Once applied I did not note any obvious differences. In fact from all
of the hype leading up to the update, I was slightly disappointed.


Isn't that always the case? ;-)

After the update I had to update Adobe Shockwave.


I think you mean Flash Player, but in case you do mean Shockwave: try
uninstalling it. There's a good chance you don't need (same thing with
Java).


Adobe Flash Player ActiveX and Adobe Flash Player Plugin
are called Shockwave Flash in IE and FF.

  #19  
Old August 13th 14, 06:44 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Silver Slimer[_7_]
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Posts: 33
Default MS 8.1 Update

On 2014-08-13 1:29 PM, A wrote:
. . .winston wrote:
A wrote:
. . .winston wrote:
Keith Nuttle wrote:
I downloaded the MS up date yesterday it comes with several critical
and
one optional update. The optional update is as large as the several
critical updates.

Once applied I did not note any obvious differences. In fact from all
of the hype leading up to the update, I was slightly disappointed.

After the update I had to update Adobe Shockwave.


Has this upgrade gone that smooth that no one had problems, or have I
been tricked into download near 400 MB of male ware. ;-) Please
don't
say Yes


Hi, Keith

Nothing earthshaking for this update (aka August update and incorrectly
referred to as Update 2). Some under-the-hood and some features.

MSFT lingo
qp
..customers can expect that we’ll use our already existing monthly
update process to deliver more frequent improvements along with the
security updates normally provided as part of “Update Tuesday.” So
despite rumors and speculation, we are not planning to deliver a
Windows
8.1 “Update 2.”
/qp

In this case those features/improvements appear to be centered on
only a
few areas
- touchpad, Miracast Receive, Login prompt delay for online
Sharepointe.

Afiacs, any significant changes won't be available until next year
(April 2015) when Windows 9 (or whatever its called) will hit GA
(General Availability) after RTM (Release to Manufacturing).





Do you know if Windows 9 will be a rental?

Nothing public is available on the form.

The current 'rumor' is that the next Windows will be available in the
same/similar forms as in the past for Consumers and Enterprise though a
lease-type/subscription version of the same deployment type as Office
365 would seem to be expected/inevitable for Win9 or later.

Other things of note that could have an impact.
Office 2013 (not 365) is no longer available as media in the retail
market (product pack includes a Product Key and download link).
Currently Windows 8.1 is only available as full version no upgrade
(Download from MSFT with media extra cost *or* Retail and OEM/System
Builder with media)
- thus Win9 could also follow one of both of those paths (no media,
all full version)in addition to a subscription version.

A few things seem probable based on how Win8.1 was handled.
- Windows 9, like Windows 8.1 won't be designed for installation on pcs
running Vista or XP.
- Upgrade installs using the full version (download or media) will only
retain files/settings when a supported o/s is present on the machine
(Win7, Win8, Win8.1 and/or setup.exe is run from within that supported
system...though its possible that Win7 to Win9 will only be custom
installs. Custom installs are clean installs.

As with anything MSFT, we'll know when they tell us.



Thanks. I hope 9 isn't a rental only but, if so, I will continue to use
7 and 8 and slowly migrate to Linux. The idea that the OS, programs and
data is on their servers doesn't appeal to me very much. I can, though,
see how they will be able to sell it to users who just want it to work
and don't want to know how it works, how to fix it if it stops working
or have to do any updating.


If they have an approach to the operating system similar to what they
have with Office 365, count me in. I find Office 365 INCREDIBLY
convenient and love the fact that it saves everything to OneDrive by
default. It is virtually impossible to delete any of your work in
progress as a result of this default feature. If Microsoft wants to
charge me say 5$ or 10$ per months to make sure that my Windows
installation updates for as long as I keep paying while still offering
stand-alone Windows versions like they do with Office, I'd be very fine
with that.

--
Silver Slimer
OpenMedia Supporter
GNU/Linux is a dangerous attack on your data
  #20  
Old August 13th 14, 06:49 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
A
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Posts: 289
Default MS 8.1 Update

Silver Slimer wrote:
On 2014-08-13 1:29 PM, A wrote:
. . .winston wrote:
A wrote:
. . .winston wrote:
Keith Nuttle wrote:
I downloaded the MS up date yesterday it comes with several critical
and
one optional update. The optional update is as large as the several
critical updates.

Once applied I did not note any obvious differences. In fact from
all
of the hype leading up to the update, I was slightly disappointed.

After the update I had to update Adobe Shockwave.


Has this upgrade gone that smooth that no one had problems, or have I
been tricked into download near 400 MB of male ware. ;-) Please
don't
say Yes


Hi, Keith

Nothing earthshaking for this update (aka August update and
incorrectly
referred to as Update 2). Some under-the-hood and some features.

MSFT lingo
qp
..customers can expect that we’ll use our already existing monthly
update process to deliver more frequent improvements along with the
security updates normally provided as part of “Update Tuesday.” So
despite rumors and speculation, we are not planning to deliver a
Windows
8.1 “Update 2.”
/qp

In this case those features/improvements appear to be centered on
only a
few areas
- touchpad, Miracast Receive, Login prompt delay for online
Sharepointe.

Afiacs, any significant changes won't be available until next year
(April 2015) when Windows 9 (or whatever its called) will hit GA
(General Availability) after RTM (Release to Manufacturing).





Do you know if Windows 9 will be a rental?

Nothing public is available on the form.

The current 'rumor' is that the next Windows will be available in the
same/similar forms as in the past for Consumers and Enterprise though a
lease-type/subscription version of the same deployment type as Office
365 would seem to be expected/inevitable for Win9 or later.

Other things of note that could have an impact.
Office 2013 (not 365) is no longer available as media in the retail
market (product pack includes a Product Key and download link).
Currently Windows 8.1 is only available as full version no upgrade
(Download from MSFT with media extra cost *or* Retail and OEM/System
Builder with media)
- thus Win9 could also follow one of both of those paths (no media,
all full version)in addition to a subscription version.

A few things seem probable based on how Win8.1 was handled.
- Windows 9, like Windows 8.1 won't be designed for installation on pcs
running Vista or XP.
- Upgrade installs using the full version (download or media) will only
retain files/settings when a supported o/s is present on the machine
(Win7, Win8, Win8.1 and/or setup.exe is run from within that supported
system...though its possible that Win7 to Win9 will only be custom
installs. Custom installs are clean installs.

As with anything MSFT, we'll know when they tell us.



Thanks. I hope 9 isn't a rental only but, if so, I will continue to use
7 and 8 and slowly migrate to Linux. The idea that the OS, programs and
data is on their servers doesn't appeal to me very much. I can, though,
see how they will be able to sell it to users who just want it to work
and don't want to know how it works, how to fix it if it stops working
or have to do any updating.


If they have an approach to the operating system similar to what they
have with Office 365, count me in. I find Office 365 INCREDIBLY
convenient and love the fact that it saves everything to OneDrive by
default. It is virtually impossible to delete any of your work in
progress as a result of this default feature. If Microsoft wants to
charge me say 5$ or 10$ per months to make sure that my Windows
installation updates for as long as I keep paying while still offering
stand-alone Windows versions like they do with Office, I'd be very fine
with that.


You're the kind of sheep MS just loves. I'm sure businesses that want to
protect intellectual property would disagree with you. Even Microsoft
can be hacked. And if you miss a payment, bye bye data. You say you
would never miss a payment? If so, you're pretty ****ing stupid. $5 or
$10 a month? LOL! You're kidding, right?

--
A
  #21  
Old August 13th 14, 07:12 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
s|b
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Default MS 8.1 Update

On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 20:31:20 +0300, Live wrote:

Adobe Flash Player ActiveX and Adobe Flash Player Plugin
are called Shockwave Flash in IE and FF.


Hence my comment 'I think you mean Flash Player,'.

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s|b
  #22  
Old August 13th 14, 07:28 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Silver Slimer[_7_]
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Posts: 33
Default MS 8.1 Update

On 2014-08-13 1:49 PM, A wrote:
Silver Slimer wrote:
On 2014-08-13 1:29 PM, A wrote:
. . .winston wrote:
A wrote:
. . .winston wrote:
Keith Nuttle wrote:
I downloaded the MS up date yesterday it comes with several critical
and
one optional update. The optional update is as large as the several
critical updates.

Once applied I did not note any obvious differences. In fact from
all
of the hype leading up to the update, I was slightly disappointed.

After the update I had to update Adobe Shockwave.


Has this upgrade gone that smooth that no one had problems, or
have I
been tricked into download near 400 MB of male ware. ;-) Please
don't
say Yes


Hi, Keith

Nothing earthshaking for this update (aka August update and
incorrectly
referred to as Update 2). Some under-the-hood and some features.

MSFT lingo
qp
..customers can expect that we’ll use our already existing monthly
update process to deliver more frequent improvements along with the
security updates normally provided as part of “Update Tuesday.” So
despite rumors and speculation, we are not planning to deliver a
Windows
8.1 “Update 2.”
/qp

In this case those features/improvements appear to be centered on
only a
few areas
- touchpad, Miracast Receive, Login prompt delay for online
Sharepointe.

Afiacs, any significant changes won't be available until next year
(April 2015) when Windows 9 (or whatever its called) will hit GA
(General Availability) after RTM (Release to Manufacturing).





Do you know if Windows 9 will be a rental?

Nothing public is available on the form.

The current 'rumor' is that the next Windows will be available in the
same/similar forms as in the past for Consumers and Enterprise though a
lease-type/subscription version of the same deployment type as Office
365 would seem to be expected/inevitable for Win9 or later.

Other things of note that could have an impact.
Office 2013 (not 365) is no longer available as media in the retail
market (product pack includes a Product Key and download link).
Currently Windows 8.1 is only available as full version no upgrade
(Download from MSFT with media extra cost *or* Retail and OEM/System
Builder with media)
- thus Win9 could also follow one of both of those paths (no media,
all full version)in addition to a subscription version.

A few things seem probable based on how Win8.1 was handled.
- Windows 9, like Windows 8.1 won't be designed for installation on pcs
running Vista or XP.
- Upgrade installs using the full version (download or media) will only
retain files/settings when a supported o/s is present on the machine
(Win7, Win8, Win8.1 and/or setup.exe is run from within that supported
system...though its possible that Win7 to Win9 will only be custom
installs. Custom installs are clean installs.

As with anything MSFT, we'll know when they tell us.



Thanks. I hope 9 isn't a rental only but, if so, I will continue to use
7 and 8 and slowly migrate to Linux. The idea that the OS, programs and
data is on their servers doesn't appeal to me very much. I can, though,
see how they will be able to sell it to users who just want it to work
and don't want to know how it works, how to fix it if it stops working
or have to do any updating.


If they have an approach to the operating system similar to what they
have with Office 365, count me in. I find Office 365 INCREDIBLY
convenient and love the fact that it saves everything to OneDrive by
default. It is virtually impossible to delete any of your work in
progress as a result of this default feature. If Microsoft wants to
charge me say 5$ or 10$ per months to make sure that my Windows
installation updates for as long as I keep paying while still offering
stand-alone Windows versions like they do with Office, I'd be very fine
with that.


You're the kind of sheep MS just loves. I'm sure businesses that want to
protect intellectual property would disagree with you. Even Microsoft
can be hacked. And if you miss a payment, bye bye data. You say you
would never miss a payment? If so, you're pretty ****ing stupid. $5 or
$10 a month? LOL! You're kidding, right?


Considering Office costs about as much as Windows does for a license, I
don't see why they would charge more than 10$. As for never missing a
payment, I have excellent credit and constantly have funds in my bank
account so I can't imagine why I would miss a payment. If wanting to
have the latest versions of both Office and Windows because they are
clearly better than the alternatives makes me a sheep though, you must
not have as deep an appreciation for quality work as I do.

No, GNU/Linux and LibreOffice are not quality work in comparison to
Windows and MS Office.

--
Silver Slimer
OpenMedia Supporter
GNU/Linux is a dangerous attack on your data
  #23  
Old August 13th 14, 07:40 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
A
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Posts: 289
Default MS 8.1 Update

Silver Slimer wrote:
On 2014-08-13 1:49 PM, A wrote:
Silver Slimer wrote:
On 2014-08-13 1:29 PM, A wrote:
. . .winston wrote:
A wrote:
. . .winston wrote:
Keith Nuttle wrote:
I downloaded the MS up date yesterday it comes with several
critical
and
one optional update. The optional update is as large as the
several
critical updates.

Once applied I did not note any obvious differences. In fact from
all
of the hype leading up to the update, I was slightly disappointed.

After the update I had to update Adobe Shockwave.


Has this upgrade gone that smooth that no one had problems, or
have I
been tricked into download near 400 MB of male ware. ;-) Please
don't
say Yes


Hi, Keith

Nothing earthshaking for this update (aka August update and
incorrectly
referred to as Update 2). Some under-the-hood and some features.

MSFT lingo
qp
..customers can expect that we’ll use our already existing monthly
update process to deliver more frequent improvements along with the
security updates normally provided as part of “Update Tuesday.” So
despite rumors and speculation, we are not planning to deliver a
Windows
8.1 “Update 2.”
/qp

In this case those features/improvements appear to be centered on
only a
few areas
- touchpad, Miracast Receive, Login prompt delay for online
Sharepointe.

Afiacs, any significant changes won't be available until next year
(April 2015) when Windows 9 (or whatever its called) will hit GA
(General Availability) after RTM (Release to Manufacturing).





Do you know if Windows 9 will be a rental?

Nothing public is available on the form.

The current 'rumor' is that the next Windows will be available in the
same/similar forms as in the past for Consumers and Enterprise
though a
lease-type/subscription version of the same deployment type as Office
365 would seem to be expected/inevitable for Win9 or later.

Other things of note that could have an impact.
Office 2013 (not 365) is no longer available as media in the retail
market (product pack includes a Product Key and download link).
Currently Windows 8.1 is only available as full version no upgrade
(Download from MSFT with media extra cost *or* Retail and OEM/System
Builder with media)
- thus Win9 could also follow one of both of those paths (no media,
all full version)in addition to a subscription version.

A few things seem probable based on how Win8.1 was handled.
- Windows 9, like Windows 8.1 won't be designed for installation on
pcs
running Vista or XP.
- Upgrade installs using the full version (download or media) will
only
retain files/settings when a supported o/s is present on the machine
(Win7, Win8, Win8.1 and/or setup.exe is run from within that supported
system...though its possible that Win7 to Win9 will only be custom
installs. Custom installs are clean installs.

As with anything MSFT, we'll know when they tell us.



Thanks. I hope 9 isn't a rental only but, if so, I will continue to use
7 and 8 and slowly migrate to Linux. The idea that the OS, programs and
data is on their servers doesn't appeal to me very much. I can, though,
see how they will be able to sell it to users who just want it to work
and don't want to know how it works, how to fix it if it stops working
or have to do any updating.

If they have an approach to the operating system similar to what they
have with Office 365, count me in. I find Office 365 INCREDIBLY
convenient and love the fact that it saves everything to OneDrive by
default. It is virtually impossible to delete any of your work in
progress as a result of this default feature. If Microsoft wants to
charge me say 5$ or 10$ per months to make sure that my Windows
installation updates for as long as I keep paying while still offering
stand-alone Windows versions like they do with Office, I'd be very fine
with that.


You're the kind of sheep MS just loves. I'm sure businesses that want to
protect intellectual property would disagree with you. Even Microsoft
can be hacked. And if you miss a payment, bye bye data. You say you
would never miss a payment? If so, you're pretty ****ing stupid. $5 or
$10 a month? LOL! You're kidding, right?


Considering Office costs about as much as Windows does for a license, I
don't see why they would charge more than 10$.


Like heroin, at first it's cheap until you get hooked and then the price
goes up. Once they've moved to ALL rental, watch the price go up. Where
else would someone like you go? They will have you by the short hairs
and can charge whatever they want.

As for never missing a
payment, I have excellent credit and constantly have funds in my bank
account so I can't imagine why I would miss a payment.


You do now. This could change in a split second. I imagine you don't
know how.

If wanting to
have the latest versions of both Office and Windows because they are
clearly better


"Better" is a subjective opinion, not a fact.

than the alternatives makes me a sheep though, you must
not have as deep an appreciation for quality work as I do.


"Quality of work" is a subjective opinion, not a fact.


No, GNU/Linux and LibreOffice are not quality work in comparison to
Windows and MS Office.


Depends on the work you do. Again, "quality" is a subjective opinion,
not a fact and I'm not talking about now. Windows 8 and Office 2013 will
be supported for a long time and Linux will continue to improve so we
won't really know until then. For the work I do, the only thing I would
miss would be Outlook.

--
A
  #24  
Old August 13th 14, 09:00 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Silver Slimer[_7_]
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Posts: 33
Default MS 8.1 Update

On 2014-08-13 2:40 PM, A wrote:

If they have an approach to the operating system similar to what they
have with Office 365, count me in. I find Office 365 INCREDIBLY
convenient and love the fact that it saves everything to OneDrive by
default. It is virtually impossible to delete any of your work in
progress as a result of this default feature. If Microsoft wants to
charge me say 5$ or 10$ per months to make sure that my Windows
installation updates for as long as I keep paying while still offering
stand-alone Windows versions like they do with Office, I'd be very fine
with that.


You're the kind of sheep MS just loves. I'm sure businesses that want to
protect intellectual property would disagree with you. Even Microsoft
can be hacked. And if you miss a payment, bye bye data. You say you
would never miss a payment? If so, you're pretty ****ing stupid. $5 or
$10 a month? LOL! You're kidding, right?


Considering Office costs about as much as Windows does for a license, I
don't see why they would charge more than 10$.


Like heroin, at first it's cheap until you get hooked and then the price
goes up. Once they've moved to ALL rental, watch the price go up. Where
else would someone like you go? They will have you by the short hairs
and can charge whatever they want.


That's why the stand-alone versions of Office exist as well, if ever
people are worried that their data might be taken hostage. You're not
FORCED to use Office 365 the same way you wouldn't be forced to install
Windows 365 either.

As for never missing a
payment, I have excellent credit and constantly have funds in my bank
account so I can't imagine why I would miss a payment.


You do now. This could change in a split second. I imagine you don't
know how.


My wife and I have very stable incomes coming from very stable jobs. My
job is essentially protected no matter how badly the economy is doing
(which is why I went into the field) whereas my wife benefits greatly
from the economy whether it goes down or not.

Depends on the work you do. Again, "quality" is a subjective opinion,
not a fact and I'm not talking about now. Windows 8 and Office 2013 will
be supported for a long time and Linux will continue to improve so we
won't really know until then. For the work I do, the only thing I would
miss would be Outlook.


GNU/Linux has been steadily improving for two decades and has yet to
become anything better than pure ****.

--
Silver Slimer
OpenMedia Supporter
GNU/Linux is a dangerous attack on your data
  #25  
Old August 13th 14, 09:00 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Paul
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Default MS 8.1 Update

s|b wrote:
On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 08:19:19 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote:

Once applied I did not note any obvious differences. In fact from all
of the hype leading up to the update, I was slightly disappointed.


Isn't that always the case? ;-)

After the update I had to update Adobe Shockwave.


I think you mean Flash Player, but in case you do mean Shockwave: try
uninstalling it. There's a good chance you don't need (same thing with
Java).


"August 2014 update rollup for ... Windows 8.1"

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2975719

"Out-of-date ActiveX control blocking"

Which when you find the appropriate description, it's a
keyword that means "Flash blocking". It's not all ActiveX
items, not by a long shot. It's just for Flash, based on
too many exploits relying on old versions of Flash.

And I like how they call it an "update rollup" and not "Update 2".
Large distinction there. Call in the archaeologists :-) Why
didn't they invent a new name, like "gleeful patch" or something.
Or maybe "pointless patch". There's a ton of names I can think of.

Paul
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Old August 13th 14, 09:30 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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A wrote:

Thanks. I hope 9 isn't a rental only but, if so, I will continue to use
7 and 8 and slowly migrate to Linux. The idea that the OS, programs and
data is on their servers doesn't appeal to me very much. I can, though,
see how they will be able to sell it to users who just want it to work
and don't want to know how it works, how to fix it if it stops working
or have to do any updating.


There's probably room for both in the market. I'm actually quite
surprised how many consumers and businesses have opted into the Office
365 approach. While 365 defaults to the cloud upon installation, its
easily changed to local storage or if available local cloud...data can
be saved locally at any time. Also 365 SB comes provides 25GB per mail
box plus 1TB OneDrive storage per user. In fact Office 365 Small
Business Premium ($150/yr five users = $2.50 per user per month - up to
25 max users) and Office 365 Enterprise include the desktop version of
Office.

Newsgroups opinions and positions have a lot of their foundation (like
many of us here) in supporting yesterday's model. It should be fairly
obvious to anyone here and elsewhere that the ecosystem is changing not
just for Windows but software including 3rd party.

As you've noted elsewhere, subscription pricing can go up. But that same
occurs with non-subcription based software.
(Not everything goes up...MSN Premium subscription (providing 10 email
addresses, 15GB OneDrive, 10GB email capacity but capable of
automatically increasing with use and reputation of use) has been the
same price for over 2 decades g)

Thus I wouldn't be too hasty to judge what other's need (or want).

What seems certain, at least to me, the future will continue to be
different than the past and like everyone has since that first version
of Windows and Office was released we'll adapt or be left behind (or
we'll expire and not have to worry about anything)



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Old August 13th 14, 09:44 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 13/08/2014 13:19, Keith Nuttle wrote:

In fact from all of the hype leading up to the update, I was slightly
disappointed.


Has this upgrade gone that smooth that no one had problems, or have I
been tricked into download near 400 MB of male ware. ;-) Please don't
say Yes


Not sure what this hype you are talking about unless you were reading
posts from that drug addict who keeps copying and pasting various
irrelevant news items from everywhere.

I haven't installed any yet but I always wait for quite a while until
the normal quarter days are with us. I guess the term "Quarter Days"
only applies to us, the brits.


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Old August 13th 14, 09:54 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 13/08/2014 18:21, . . .winston wrote:

- thus Win9 could also follow one of both of those paths (no media,
all full version)in addition to a subscription version.


I am not surprised because more and more OEMs (DELL for example) are not
installing CD/DVD Roms so they are becoming obsolete like old 3.5 disk
drives. Also, to distribute applications on a USB flash drive is not
convenient because of the bulkiness!!!

I recently wanted to buy another laptop and a desktop from DELL and I
had to make sure I select the systems with CD/DVD drives otherwise they
would have sent me without them.


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Old August 13th 14, 09:57 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Tester wrote on Wednesday 8/13/2014 4:54 PM:
On 13/08/2014 18:21, . . .winston wrote:

- thus Win9 could also follow one of both of those paths (no media,
all full version)in addition to a subscription version.


I am not surprised because more and more OEMs (DELL for example) are not
installing CD/DVD Roms so they are becoming obsolete like old 3.5 disk
drives. Also, to distribute applications on a USB flash drive is not
convenient because of the bulkiness!!!

I recently wanted to buy another laptop and a desktop from DELL and I
had to make sure I select the systems with CD/DVD drives otherwise they
would have sent me without them.


Maybe the case for a USB Floppy and USB CD/DVD drive.
Course the Floppy is a joke collecting dust.

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Old August 13th 14, 10:00 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 13/08/2014 18:49, A wrote:

And if you miss a payment, bye bye data.


Where did you get this from? I thought you can subscribe to OneDrive
without having Office365! I have onedrive free versions (old hotmail
type accounts with 25 GB) but I can add extra diskspace if I want to.




 




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