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  #16  
Old September 2nd 18, 05:47 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Default Youtube downloader does not work on Windows 10

Roger Johnson wrote:
On Sun, 2 Sep 2018 05:05:43 +0100, Roger Johnson wrote:

Is avconv essentially the same thing as FFMPEG only different?


Does anyone here know anything about this "avconv" stuff?

The only reason I ask about avconv is that the youtube-dl.exe help page
suggests that the MP3 conversion is either by FFMPEG or avconv.

This seem to be the avconv home page https://libav.org/avconv.html
This seems to have downloads https://libav.org/download/
This seems to be for Windows binaries http://builds.libav.org/windows/

You have a choice of one of these two but I don't know the difference
http://builds.libav.org/windows/release-gpl/
http://builds.libav.org/windows/release-lgpl/

One is GPL and the other is "Lesser" GPL, but I didn't read further for
which one I would want as a normal user with youtube-dl.exe purposes.

Inside those two download (GPL & LGPL) pages are lots of confusing choices.
Which is simply the most current for a basic 64-bit normal Windows 10 PC?

Does this seem to you to be the LATEST 64-bit Windows normal release?
GPL 2016-Jun-01 09:21
http://builds.libav.org/windows/rele...ingw32-11.7.7z
LGPL 2016-Jun-01 09:08
http://builds.libav.org/windows/rele...ingw32-11.7.7z


There should be a Wiki for the history of it.

FFMPEG and libAV forked at some point. Early on,
I was noticing that some internal timing issues
that FFMPEG managed to fix, were still present
in something libAV I was testing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libav

"Libav is a free software project, forked from
FFmpeg in 2011, that produces libraries and programs
for handling multimedia data."

"Libav then renamed their ffmpeg to avconv to distance
themselves from the FFmpeg project."

It's a software soap opera.

*******

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP3

"In the United States, the technology became substantially
patent-free on 16 April 2017 (see below)."

"As a result, many free and open-source software projects,
such as the Fedora operating system, have decided to start
shipping MP3 support by default, and users will no longer
have to resort to installing unofficial packages maintained
by third party software repositories for MP3 playback
or encoding."

So at some point, you should start to see the re-integration
of MP3 support directly in packages.

Paul
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Old September 2nd 18, 06:03 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Roger Johnson
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Default Youtube downloader does not work on Windows 10

On Sun, 02 Sep 2018 00:47:52 -0400, Paul wrote:

It's a software soap opera.


I skimmed that wikipedia, and I agree.
It's a mess.

I agree though with your summary that the patents expired so moving forward
we should see the MP3 encoders/decoders integrated into the tool suites.

"... patents required to implement MP3 expired in most countries by
December 2012...The various MP3-related patents expired on dates ranging
from 2007 to 2017 in the United States."

They did cover Opus (and Vorbis) near the end.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opus_(audio_format)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorbis

I guess that's why Opus is the default for the youtube-dl.exe program.
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Old September 2nd 18, 02:14 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Mayayana
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Default Youtube downloader does not work on Windows 10

"Roger Johnson" wrote

| But this worked fine:
| youtube-dl --no-check-certificate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PCkvCPvDXk
|
| I never used the "no-check-certificate" where I see it does this
| --no-check-certificate = Suppress HTTPS certificate validation
|
| Does that save time?
| What's the reason for that option?
|

It failed with an error about the certificate. With
--no-check-certificate it works. I don't know what
the problem is.

I don't have any problem with DH. But I do use
a firewall, an extensive HOSTS file, and block most
Google domains, so there could have been some
kind of problem checking out the cert. I don't know
enough about the details of how that works to
make an educated guess.

| Thanks for confirming that the "vevo" search I did for "top songs of 2018"
| came up with the kind of link you wanted. I tested a few more of those
| "vevo" links (whatever they are) and they all worked in youtube-dl.exe.
|

Good to know. I hope you have time for breakfast
before the Hollywood swat team arrives.

| I also have trouble with Vimeo, but I don't have
| a link now to try. I'll have to try it next time I do.
|
| I'm just as unfamilair with "vimeo" as I was with "vevo".
|
| Googling for "vimeo" "top songs of 2018", I get this top link
| https://vimeo.com/251950481
|
| youtube-dl.exe -x --audio-format mp3 --audio-quality 0
https://vimeo.com/251950481
| [vimeo] 251950481: Downloading webpage
| [vimeo] 251950481: Extracting information
| [vimeo] 251950481: Downloading webpage
| [vimeo] 251950481: Downloading JSON metadata
| [vimeo] 251950481: Downloading akfire_interconnect_quic m3u8 information
| [vimeo] 251950481: Downloading fastly_skyfire m3u8 information
| [vimeo] 251950481: Downloading akfire_interconnect_quic MPD information
| [vimeo] 251950481: Downloading akfire_interconnect_quic MPD information
| [vimeo] 251950481: Downloading fastly_skyfire MPD information
| [vimeo] 251950481: Downloading fastly_skyfire MPD information
| [dashsegments] Total fragments: 129
| [download] Destination: TOP 30 SONGS 2010-2018-251950481.m4a
| [download] 100% of 23.54MiB in 06:03
| [ffmpeg] Destination: TOP 30 SONGS 2010-2018-251950481.mp3
| Deleting original file TOP 30 SONGS 2010-2018-251950481.m4a (pass -k to
keep)
|
| The result was "19,245,212 TOP 30 SONGS 2010-2018-251950481.mp3".
| If you have a vimeo link you want to test, I can test it for you easily.
|

Thanks. I'll try it next time. I don't have any
links now. I run into them with non-profits offering
lectures and the like. The page leads to a player
page and the player page has no link in the
source code.
Vimeo is one of the biggest sites that provides
media hosting. I don't know anything about how they
work or what their terms are. They may be
ad-supported, but without script their pages are
blank for me. My general attitude is that if I can't
download the actual video then it's probably not
worth the trouble.

I just tried something on Vimeo. It failed with an
error "unable to parse...". So I got the latest
youtube-dl version. That worked. Very nice. Thanks.

| Until you asked me to look for songs on vimeo, I get almost all if not all
| my stuff from youtube. Pretty much anything I want is already on youtube.
| But I can understand if you want stuff that is not on youtube.
|

It's mainly private stuff that's on Vimeo. Typically
lectures that might be offered through a website
where the website owner wants control over the
viewing, rather than just putting it out in public.
But I think you're right for the most part. Even videos
on Vimeo might get uploaded to youtube by someone
who decides to share.

| One thing I'd like to get since I'm NOT an audiophile is a quick playlist
| of the top 100 songs of every year, which I could then download overnight
| and populate an iPod so that I could LEARN what people are listening to.
|

I can see that. I also find it interesting to track societal
patterns. I'm surprised how much I know just
by being out in public or flipping past Access Hollywood.
I couldn't identify music by Kanye West or Ariana Grande,
but I know the names. For the most part I figure I know
the current scene sociologically: The lyrics usually don't
matter. Rampant consumerism has blended with the
arrogant youth swagger that is rap, and compulsive
worship of "fitness" as a stand-in for spiritual edification,
to produce something indistinguishable from an aerobics
class held in a strip joint:
Danceable swagger and simulated sex, combined with
robotic aerobics of the sort popularized by Madonna and
synchronized with backup singers. Cheerleaders on speed.
Only the beat and the swagger matter. Self aggrandizement
in the manner of a psychopathic narcissist means
success and self confidence.

One night I saw a young woman named Iggy Azalea on
SNL. A skinny thing, apparently wearing some kind of
hip pad to give her curves, she kept swaggering and
marching back and forth chanting something. Finally,
after perhaps the 80th repetition, I figured it out:

"Who dat? Who dat? I G G Y. I G G Y."

She had a hit song that consisted of bragging that
she was herself!

Then there are the contest shows on network TV.
Again, I don't watch network TV. But I'm surprised at
how much I pick up in pausing as I flip by. As someone
put it, "Suzanne Vega wouldn't have a chance." Every
singer coming out is expected to belt out something,
anything, with the force of the star spangled banner.
As soon as their voice soars the audience drowns them
out with applause. Every time. It's beginning to feel
like Monty Python on every station.

| This week I had a bout of nostagia and wanted to
| hear some old Phil Ochs songs. I was able to download
| some poor quality TV from the 60s, but not official
| recordings.
|
| He recorded 238 songs according to Wikipedia.
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...d_by_Phil_Ochs
|
| Phil Ochs - No More Song = https://youtu.be/p5XBOthE6CQ
| youtube-dl.exe -x --audio-format mp3 --audio-quality 0
https://youtu.be/p5XBOthE6CQ
| [youtube] p5XBOthE6CQ: Downloading webpage
| [youtube] p5XBOthE6CQ: Downloading video info webpage
| [youtube] p5XBOthE6CQ: Extracting video information
| WARNING: unable to extract uploader nickname
| [download] Destination: Phil Ochs - No More Song-p5XBOthE6CQ.webm
| [download] 100% of 4.47MiB in 01:19
| [ffmpeg] Destination: Phil Ochs - No More Song-p5XBOthE6CQ.mp3
| Deleting original file Phil Ochs - No More Song-p5XBOthE6CQ.webm (pass -k
to keep)
|
| This created "8,232,909 Phil Ochs - No More Song-p5XBOthE6CQ.mp3".
|

Thank you for your efforts. This has all given me
a lot more options than I realized I had.

| Youtube clearly HOSTS the videos.
| Youtube has RULES which if you actually go to the YOUTUBE web site, might
| apply. Just because youtube says something doesn't make it legal in any
| place, or in every place, in any situation, or in every situation.
| Also, Youtube has rules which apply to people who LOG IN.
| Those rules can be different than people who just LISTEN to videos.
|
That's an interesting arena. Many big companies
are losing the sense of what the Internet actually is.
They want to get paid through ads or subscription
for broadcasting a station. But it's not broadcasting.
They've put files on a server for the public to freely
take. But I increasingly see things like the notice,
"By using this site you agree to allow tracking and
cookies". Of course, I agreed to no such thing.
They put some files on a public server and I downloaded
them. But gradually both commercial sites and the
general public have come to view the Internet as a
commercial venue that they "consume" -- whether
or not they pay for it.


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Old September 2nd 18, 09:15 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Roger Johnson
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On Sun, 2 Sep 2018 09:14:00 -0400, Mayayana wrote:

It failed with an error about the certificate. With
--no-check-certificate it works. I don't know what
the problem is.


Thanks for explaining.
I guess I don't have that problem because none of mine failed yet.

I don't have any problem with DH. But I do use
a firewall, an extensive HOSTS file, and block most
Google domains, so there could have been some
kind of problem checking out the cert. I don't know
enough about the details of how that works to
make an educated guess.


I see. I'm not using a modified hosts file nor a firewall so there could
easily be issues in between on your side. It's good that we both test the
same URLs then as I can test the most open (less secure) situation and you
can test a more secure setup.

Good to know. I hope you have time for breakfast
before the Hollywood swat team arrives.


I realize you're joking, where my point on the legality is that Google and
the vevo and vimeo folks know all about the youtube-dl.exe and if they
wanted to get an injunction, or if they thought it was illegal, they would
get an injunction in fifteen seconds flat.

The youtube-dl.exe source code is known to them I'm sure, so they could
also change things up to break the youtube-dl.exe code if they wanted to.

Plus, it would make the news like the napster stuff made the news.

Given that English Common Law is what it is, but admitting I'm not a
lawyer, my assumption is that it's perfectly legal, as I certainly didn't
sign any agreement with anyone - so the only thing that I'm beholden to is
the common law in the jurisdiction that matters.

I have no idea of the jurisdiction is my home town or if the jurisdiction
is the corporate HQ for Google, Vimeo, Vemo etc but none of that matters
since it seems perfectly legal to me.

If someone thinks it's not legal, they'd have to point to a court case
since I can't be the only one on this planet who downloads youtube audio of
physics lectures.


Thanks. I'll try it next time. I don't have any
links now. I run into them with non-profits offering
lectures and the like. The page leads to a player
page and the player page has no link in the
source code.


You brought up a good point in that there are at least three kinds of links
to videos.
1. Easy links like a youtube link which is easy to right click get
2. Slightly harder links that are to a web page that serve the video
3. Much harder links where only a small portion of the web page is video

I find that I have success with the first two types, but I never tried the
third. An example of the third might be an NBC or CBS or FOX news page
where the video is embedded in the middle of the page along with other
videos. If we just point to the top URL, we'd get a web page I would think,
and not the video (how would youtube-dl.exe even know which video to
download?).

In the first case, it's easy and the second case seems to be easy too,
which is what I did with the vimeo links as I recall.

I don't know though as I'm no expert.
All I can say is if you want me to test a link for you, I will.

Vimeo is one of the biggest sites that provides
media hosting. I don't know anything about how they
work or what their terms are. They may be
ad-supported, but without script their pages are
blank for me. My general attitude is that if I can't
download the actual video then it's probably not
worth the trouble.


I never used vimeo until yesterday so I can't say anything but my position
on such things is that they can write anything they want into their TOS but
that doesn't make it legal.

Only one thing makes it legal.
And I don't know of any court cases.

Of course, I haven't looked either.

But I bet none of the folks reading this know of any court cases either
which involve the youtube-dl.exe program.

I just tried something on Vimeo. It failed with an
error "unable to parse...". So I got the latest
youtube-dl version. That worked. Very nice. Thanks.


One nice thing about the youtube-dl.exe is that it updates easily.
youtube-dl.exe -U

There always seems to be a new version.
By that, I assume it is updated frequently.

But I don't really know.

It's mainly private stuff that's on Vimeo. Typically
lectures that might be offered through a website
where the website owner wants control over the
viewing, rather than just putting it out in public.
But I think you're right for the most part. Even videos
on Vimeo might get uploaded to youtube by someone
who decides to share.


The age-old fact remains that if it can be watched or listened to, it can
be "captured".

I can see that. I also find it interesting to track societal
patterns. I'm surprised how much I know just
by being out in public or flipping past Access Hollywood.
I couldn't identify music by Kanye West or Ariana Grande,
but I know the names. For the most part I figure I know
the current scene sociologically: The lyrics usually don't
matter. Rampant consumerism has blended with the
arrogant youth swagger that is rap, and compulsive
worship of "fitness" as a stand-in for spiritual edification,
to produce something indistinguishable from an aerobics
class held in a strip joint:
Danceable swagger and simulated sex, combined with
robotic aerobics of the sort popularized by Madonna and
synchronized with backup singers. Cheerleaders on speed.
Only the beat and the swagger matter. Self aggrandizement
in the manner of a psychopathic narcissist means
success and self confidence.


I agree that, while the "kardashians" are completely meaningless to me,
when I see their names in the papers, at least I need to know enough to
know who they are.

When someone talks about Miley Cyrus' tongue, for example, at least I know
what they're talking about.

All I want is to listen once or twice to the top 100 songs of each year and
I would have a good brief survey of music patterns year by year.

She had a hit song that consisted of bragging that
she was herself!


Interesting. Sort of like the Madonna Superbowl songs about herself.

That's an interesting arena. Many big companies
are losing the sense of what the Internet actually is.
They want to get paid through ads or subscription
for broadcasting a station. But it's not broadcasting.
They've put files on a server for the public to freely
take. But I increasingly see things like the notice,
"By using this site you agree to allow tracking and
cookies". Of course, I agreed to no such thing.


Exactly. If you use the youtube-dl.exe, for example, you never had
'control' of a site web page. You only had control of a URL.

If Youtube has a problem with that, they can get an injunction against the
makers of youtube-dl.exe in fifteen seconds flat. Certainly Youtube knows
about them. Certainly they have the source code. Certainly they have the
money to make their lives miserable.

My position is valid which is that I didn't trespass on your property if I
never visited your property (or something like that). I never visited the
web page. I never agreed to anything. I never signed anything. I never
logged into anything.

And even if I did all of that, there is only one entity that determines if
an agreement is valid, and that's neither me nor Google. It's a judge.

They put some files on a public server and I downloaded
them. But gradually both commercial sites and the
general public have come to view the Internet as a
commercial venue that they "consume" -- whether
or not they pay for it.


Google knows all about youtube-dl.exe and they have the source code.
I'd be naive to think otherwise.

If Google wanted to shut down youtube-dl.exe, they would hve done so within
fifteen seconds of deciding to do so.

That they haven't done so for years, indicates a lot.
That we haven't heard of a single court case is less indicative since there
could be thousands of court cases that we don't know about.

But you only need one injunction to shut a site down.
Anyways, let me know if you want me to test a URL for you since you have a
stricter setup than I do.

If it works for me, then it's your setup!
 




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