Backup first, before doing the 1809 upgrade

"Windows 10 October Update May Wipe Files"

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/wi...ers,37888.html

"Some users are reporting that the update is causing files in the user directory
to be deleted, including documents, photos and music.

MSPoweruser first reported the news."

From the MSPoweruser link in that article, it says...

"To make things worse, rolling back the install
does not restore the missing files."

Nothing every changes. Safety first.

Only have the target C: installed in the computer.
Don't leave data drives in a computer while doing an upgrade.
(With the power off, unplugging the cables is sufficient.)

No matter how "nominally" safe something is, make a backup.
That backup will have your home directory in it (the home
directory that is about to lose files).

HTH,
Paul

Paul wrote:

"Windows 10 October Update May Wipe Files"

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/wi...ers,37888.html


Â*Â* "Some users are reporting that the update is causing files in the
user directory
Â*Â*Â* to be deleted, including documents, photos and music.

Â*Â*Â* MSPoweruser first reported the news."

From the MSPoweruser link in that article, it says...

Â*Â* "To make things worse, rolling back the install
Â*Â*Â* does not restore the missing files."

Nothing every changes. Safety first.

Â*Â* Only have the target C: installed in the computer.
Â*Â* Don't leave data drives in a computer while doing an upgrade.
Â*Â* (With the power off, unplugging the cables is sufficient.)

Â*Â* No matter how "nominally" safe something is, make a backup.
Â*Â* That backup will have your home directory in it (the home
Â*Â* directory that is about to lose files).

HTH,
Â*Â* Paul

I didn't lose a thing although all my data is not on C except emails in
TB and Outlook and they're still there. That said, I did make an image
with Macrium Reflect on an ext. HD before doing the update :-)

On Fri, 5 Oct 2018 13:53:17 +0200, Weatherman wrote:

I didn't lose a thing although all my data is not on C except emails in
TB and Outlook and they're still there. That said, I did make an image
with Macrium Reflect on an ext. HD before doing the update :-)

I wasn't sure what caused the problem, but I lost a lot of custom settings.
I don't know if it's related though. All I know is they're suddenly gone.

On 10/05/2018 08:36 AM, Arlen Holder wrote:
On Fri, 5 Oct 2018 13:53:17 +0200, Weatherman wrote:

I didn't lose a thing although all my data is not on C except emails in
TB and Outlook and they're still there. That said, I did make an image
with Macrium Reflect on an ext. HD before doing the update :-)

I wasn't sure what caused the problem, but I lost a lot of custom settings.
I don't know if it's related though. All I know is they're suddenly gone.

I'm on the inside fast ring and get update quite often. And yes, I
lose a lot of custom settings every time. Same ones. Custom recycle
bin on the desktop is one for sure. I have a .reg file to reset some
that I know where they are in the registry. But it's still a bitch.
And I've put it in feedback more than once but I guess they don't read
every feedback.

On 05/10/2018 11:56, Paul wrote:

"Windows 10 October Update May Wipe Files"

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/wi...ers,37888.html


Â*Â* "Some users are reporting that the update is causing files in the
user directory
Â*Â*Â* to be deleted, including documents, photos and music.

Â*Â*Â* MSPoweruser first reported the news."

From the MSPoweruser link in that article, it says...

Â*Â* "To make things worse, rolling back the install
Â*Â*Â* does not restore the missing files."

Nothing every changes. Safety first.

Â*Â* Only have the target C: installed in the computer.
Â*Â* Don't leave data drives in a computer while doing an upgrade.
Â*Â* (With the power off, unplugging the cables is sufficient.)

Â*Â* No matter how "nominally" safe something is, make a backup.
Â*Â* That backup will have your home directory in it (the home
Â*Â* directory that is about to lose files).

HTH,
Â*Â* Paul


I've been trying to update my daughter's laptop but am constantly
advised that there is insufficient space on the PC.

Here's what I found using Checkdisk

https://imgur.com/gallery/bnfnId6

Windows 10 Update Assistant advises that 8GB is needed but I've found
that impossible to achieve. There's basically nothing on the computer
other than the operating system (It's a small Dell Inspiron P25T 2GB RAM
- about 3 years old - Windows 10 Home).

What action could I/should I take?

Paul wrote:

"Windows 10 October Update May Wipe Files"

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/wi...ers,37888.html

"Some users are reporting that the update is causing files in the user directory
to be deleted, including documents, photos and music.

MSPoweruser first reported the news."

From the MSPoweruser link in that article, it says...

"To make things worse, rolling back the install
does not restore the missing files."

Hmmm!? Looks like our dear friend 'Good Guy' will have to adapt his
sig!

Nothing every changes. Safety first.

Only have the target C: installed in the computer.
Don't leave data drives in a computer while doing an upgrade.
(With the power off, unplugging the cables is sufficient.)

Out of interest, is \Users\user\AppData never needed during a
Windows/Microsoft update?

No matter how "nominally" safe something is, make a backup.
That backup will have your home directory in it (the home
directory that is about to lose files).

I.Mackie wrote:

I've been trying to update my daughter's laptop but am constantly
advised that there is insufficient space on the PC.
It's a small Dell Inspiron P25T

It's only going to have 32GB storage, seems to have 2.4GB free from your
chkdsk, finding enough free space to upgrade windows is going to be
"challenging"

run the cleanup wizard in admin mode, remove page and hibernate files
(that'll be fun with only 2GB RAM), uninstall apps, move data files off
to external or cloud storage, try plugging in some temporary USB storage
during the upgrade ...

On Fri, 5 Oct 2018 18:38:25 +0100, "I.Mackie"
wrote:

I've been trying to update my daughter's laptop but am constantly
advised that there is insufficient space on the PC.

Here's what I found using Checkdisk

https://imgur.com/gallery/bnfnId6

Windows 10 Update Assistant advises that 8GB is needed but I've found
that impossible to achieve. There's basically nothing on the computer
other than the operating system (It's a small Dell Inspiron P25T 2GB RAM
- about 3 years old - Windows 10 Home).


29.3GB is an absolutely *tiny* hard drive these days. She has under
3GB available--an even tinier number.

The only real solution to such a problem is replacing the drive with a
bigger one. As far as I'm concerned, 500 GB is the absolute minimum,
and for most people 1TB should be considered he minimum.

If you can't replace the drive, I'd recommend replacing the whole
computer.

Ken Blake wrote:

The only real solution to such a problem is replacing the drive with a
bigger one

Likely to be a 32GB eMMC soldered to the motherboard, a machine with 2GB
ram plus 32GB flash is landfill fodder really

Frank Slootweg wrote:


Out of interest, is \Users\user\AppData never needed during a
Windows/Microsoft update?

To answer that, you'd need to understand how "migration"
works during an OS upgrade.

I don't know the answer, but there are some breadcrumbs.

1) Windows.old contains the old OS.
Not a surprise.
Also explains why an SR point is not needed.

3) Windows.old has some Program Files folders in it...
It's not as "pure" a folder as you might suspect.
It's a garbage bucket that has your old OS,
but *may* contain other goodies. You cannot just
rename the folder and *kaboom*, the old OS is back.

Now, if the migration logic uses the MSI cache
to "reinstall" applications, then the existing
Appdata may play a part in those installers
doing the right thing. It really depends on the
details of migration, as to what resources matter
during the install. It's called "migration" for
some reason, and that would be another hint
as to their approach to the problem. You'd think
just keeping the registry from one release to
another would be enough. But, there might be
more to it (if Microsoft knows in advance that
an old program doesn't align with a new "feature").

If you look in Appdata, you'll probably find
some familiar program names for the stuff you've
installed as programs.

Paul

On 05 Oct 2018, Paul wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

"Windows 10 October Update May Wipe Files"

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/wi...update-deleted
-files-intel-drivers,37888.html

"Some users are reporting that the update is causing files in
the user directory
to be deleted, including documents, photos and music.

MSPoweruser first reported the news."

From the MSPoweruser link in that article, it says...

"To make things worse, rolling back the install
does not restore the missing files."

Nothing every changes. Safety first.

Only have the target C: installed in the computer.
Don't leave data drives in a computer while doing an upgrade.
(With the power off, unplugging the cables is sufficient.)

No matter how "nominally" safe something is, make a backup.
That backup will have your home directory in it (the home
directory that is about to lose files).

I got updated a couple of days ago. As far as I can tell, no data files
are missing. My good ol' Winaero Windows 7 Games were once again
removed, but I expected that and a quick re-install put that right.
Annoying but not fatal.

On 05 Oct 2018, Big Al wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

I'm on the inside fast ring and get update quite often. And yes,
I lose a lot of custom settings every time. Same ones. Custom
recycle bin on the desktop is one for sure.

What other custom settings do you lose? I haven't yet noticed any
having been reset, but maybe I just haven't found them yet.

On Fri, 05 Oct 2018 15:11:04 -0400, Nil
wrote:

On 05 Oct 2018, Paul wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

"Windows 10 October Update May Wipe Files"

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/wi...update-deleted
-files-intel-drivers,37888.html

"Some users are reporting that the update is causing files in
the user directory
to be deleted, including documents, photos and music.

MSPoweruser first reported the news."

From the MSPoweruser link in that article, it says...

"To make things worse, rolling back the install
does not restore the missing files."

Nothing every changes. Safety first.

Only have the target C: installed in the computer.
Don't leave data drives in a computer while doing an upgrade.
(With the power off, unplugging the cables is sufficient.)

No matter how "nominally" safe something is, make a backup.
That backup will have your home directory in it (the home
directory that is about to lose files).

I got updated a couple of days ago. As far as I can tell, no data files
are missing. My good ol' Winaero Windows 7 Games were once again
removed, but I expected that and a quick re-install put that right.
Annoying but not fatal.



Same here, including the Windows 7 games. Two other expected minor
problems that were easy to fix:

The mapped network drive on my wife's computer got unmapped and had to
be mapped again

My printer online status was lost and set to offline.

On 05/10/2018 18:38, I.Mackie wrote:


I've been trying to update my daughter's laptop but am constantly
advised that there is insufficient space on the PC.

Here's what I found using Checkdisk

https://imgur.com/gallery/bnfnId6


Yes you have a tiny hard disk. You need to change your HD to get
Windows 10 running smoothly. Windows needs lots of disk space when
installing and also when running.

I advice people to get 1TB HD minimum costing $50. There is no need to
have very expensive SSDs and all that crap.

Windows 10 Update Assistant advises that 8GB is needed but I've found
that impossible to achieve. There's basically nothing on the computer
other than the operating system (It's a small Dell Inspiron P25T 2GB
RAM - about 3 years old - Windows 10 Home).

Correct. You need to do something with your clunker. 2GB Ram is also
not enough no matter what the basic spec says. Of course, people wants
instant start-up and instant savings of data.



What action could I/should I take?

Upgrade the machine or better still buy a new machine from DELL orHP
knowing that their machine will meet the minimum Win10 spec to run
comfortably. Anything else is a complete waste of money and time.



--
With over 950 million devices now running Windows 10, customer
satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows.

On Fri, 5 Oct 2018 18:38:25 +0100, "I.Mackie"
wrote:

I've been trying to update my daughter's laptop but am constantly
advised that there is insufficient space on the PC.

Here's what I found using Checkdisk

https://imgur.com/gallery/bnfnId6

Windows 10 Update Assistant advises that 8GB is needed but I've found
that impossible to achieve. There's basically nothing on the computer
other than the operating system (It's a small Dell Inspiron P25T 2GB RAM
- about 3 years old - Windows 10 Home).

What action could I/should I take?

Hi, David Brooks. I guess the rumours of your demise were premature.
Have you abandoned 'your' .workshop group?