Backup first, before doing the 1809 upgrade

Ant wrote:

Users should always be doing backups often especially before major
upgrades and changes like this. I need to do mine again before Tuesday.


Making backup isn't so much the issue (for users in this group). The
problem is, how do you know *that* some stuff has been deleted, let
alone - *exactly* - *what* has been deleted?

It may talk a long time to find out all the bits which have been
deleted, and then it might be too late, i.e. the backup might have been
overwritten.

So beside backup(s), one also needs archives (which might be appended
to, but never - partly - overwritten.

On 07/10/2018 04:23, Paul wrote:
I.Mackie wrote:
On 07/10/2018 00:07, Patrick wrote:
On 06/10/2018 23:21, I.Mackie wrote:

Can you tell me how I can obtain a 'free' version of Windows 10 - I
have copied and kept the Windows 'key' which was supplied by Dell.

Now that I have loads of space on the Dell hard drive, my feeling is
that I /should/ now be able to install the newest version of Windows
10 as well - but I'm not sure of the best way I can do that. It
would be great if my daughter were, eventually, able to dual boot
into either Windows OR Linux Mint.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/soft...load/windows10

Thank you. :-)

I downloaded that ISO this afternoon and saved it on my iMac. I've
since burnred it to a DVD - another learning curve because Apple have
changed the procedure in macOS Mojave!!!

Now I'm unsure of what best to do with it - especially in view of the
news that this version has been 'pulled' by Microsoft.

Have you any idea of how to get my daughters laptop running Windows
again armed with this ISO?


When you're asking boot questions, it helps if you can
clearly communicate where you're headed in terms of a config.
We're not mind readers.

I'll draw one sample picture, and then you can provide your
own picture of what you want, if you want something different.

Current 32GB eMMC config.

Linux doesn't install exactly like this, and this is a simplified view.

+-----+-----------------------+------------+
| MBR | Linux slash partition | Linux swap |
+-----+-----------------------+------------+

New 32GB eMMC config for putting Win10 back on someone elses computer
so they don't notice I've been messing around.

+-----+-----------------------+--------------------------------------+
| MBR | Windows C: partitionÂ* | System Reserved 0.5GB 0x27 partition |
+-----+-----------------------+--------------------------------------+

To do that, you take that "bad" DVD you've got in your hand,
boot the device with it right now, and install. You find the Custom
install option that says to "remove other partitions", or you
use the Custom screen to remove the partitions manually
while in there.

I'm assuming right now, since you successfully installed Linux
on this device, the previous users home directory is deleted and
is now "toast". There's nothing to preserve now. So there
is no harm in using the DVD you just made - that DVD is
only dangerous if the home directory is still there and
the home directory could get damaged.

Your "home directory" is toast, because Linux took its place.

How do I know that ?

You're on a 32GB eMMC. A device that was "chock full of Windows".
Now you tell me "I put Linux on it successfully". And that
means you nuked and paved everything on the eMMC in your haste
for success.

So there's really nothing to damage. The former users
Win10 home dir is gone.

Now, if your situation is different, please draw one of those
diagrams like the above, to show me what's on the
computer at the moment. Is Linux on the 32GB eMMC ? Is
Windows 10 on the 32GB eMMC. We can only give reasonable
advice, with reasonable input to work with.

There isn't room to dual boot on a 32GB eMMC. Maybe an
expert can figure out a way, but "just slapping stuff
around", it's not going to happen.

*******

If you ever do some multi-boot installs, where you did the
OSes in the wrong order, this is the kind of article you
need to set things right (so both OSes are boot options).

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Re...tallingWindows

Â*Â* Paul


Once again, all good information, for which I thank you.

I discussed how I should proceed with my daughter before I effectively
'nuked' the hard drive. There was nothing on the drive which required
'saving' (although I DO have a backup of the drive on an external
portable hard drive!).

The plan is to operate using Linux Mint (very similar to my own Apple
software) and determine how well it suits. If a decision is later made
to reinstall Windows 10, I now know what to do!

I did, in fact, revamp the Linux installation using a Thumb drive with
the now current version if Mint - 19 Cinnamon. Everything 'works'! :-)

D.

On 07/10/2018 04:40, Paul wrote:
I.Mackie wrote:
On 06/10/2018 23:44, Paul wrote:
I.Mackie wrote:
On 06/10/2018 10:54, Paul wrote:
I.Mackie wrote:

I've been trying to update my daughter's laptop but am constantly
advised that there is insufficient space on the PC.

Here's what I found using Checkdisk

https://imgur.com/gallery/bnfnId6

Windows 10 Update Assistant advises that 8GB is needed but I've
found that impossible to achieve. There's basically nothing on the
computer other than the operating system (It's a small Dell
Inspiron P25T 2GB RAM - about 3 years old - Windows 10 Home).

What action could I/should I take?

"Dell Inspiron 11 Laptop Unable to Update Windows 10"

https://www.dell.com/community/Lapto...0/td-p/5135249


Â*Â*Â* "Yes, my computer has around 28-29 GB on the drive.

Â*Â*Â*Â* With Windows installed along with all of the Dell drivers,
Â*Â*Â*Â* etc. it is at around 4 GB [free]."

Â*Â*Â*Â* *******

Â*Â*Â* "Good news! I just got a notification on the computer to fix
Â*Â*Â*Â* a problem with updates since they could not install, and when
Â*Â*Â*Â* I clicked "Fix Now," the Windows Update window opened and shows
Â*Â*Â*Â* "Windows needs more space." The good part is that I have the
Â*Â*Â*Â* option now to choose another drive or attach an external drive
Â*Â*Â*Â* with 14 GB available. This is for the 1607 update.

Â*Â*Â*Â* Fortunately, I have a 16gb flash drive available and I am
Â*Â*Â*Â* transferring the contents to my other laptop right now in order
Â*Â*Â*Â* to have enough space for the update. I will let you know what
Â*Â*Â*Â* happens. Hopefully I can update everything with no problem.
Â*Â*Â* "

*******

Different install methods have slight differences in behavior.

Windows Update method of doing an OS Upgrade, is capable of
asking for temporary storage space in the form of a USB stick
or an SD card. There have been cases though, where space is
offered, and the installer refuses to use the type of
storage offered.

If you install using a downloaded Win10 DVD 1809, then it
might not prompt for additional storage, and it might just
stop dead.

I would check the hardware junk room and see what USB
drives you have available for the job.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...eatures-update


Â*Â*Â* Paul

Thanks for that, Paul.

I did try adding an external drive in amongst all my other
experimentation yesterday but I made no progress. I've therefore
taken a different approach.

I have successfully installed Linnux Mint onto the machine;-

https://imgur.com/gallery/4znzoP6

I've also downloaded an ISO from Microsoft and I'm now going to see
if I can load Windows10 from that onto the Dell p25T.

You could be suggesting a move from Linux_as_only_OS to
Windows10_as_only_OS.

But I suspect a more likely picture, is you think you're multi-booting.
And putting two OSes on the same 32GB eMMC drive.

The easiest multiboot order is:

Â*Â*Â* WinXP then Vista then W7 then W8 then W10 then Linux then Linux
then Linux

WinXP is a boot.ini OS. It cannot put a later OS in
its menu.

Vista through Win10 are BCD OSes. They are able to
put WinXP in their boot menu, if they detect it.
The BCD OSes also respect other BCD OSes and add
them to the menu.

Windows will not add Linux to the menu. There are
third party tools (I used to use Boot Magic fifteen
years ago), that are OS agnostic and will handle
a whole lot of stuff. But Windows itself is not
helpful. If you install Windows after Linux, it'll
kill GRUB stage 0 so Linux can't boot any more,
Windows will boot, and you'll have to find a tutorial
on "GRUB repair". There's at least one utility for
that, but you might also be able to get there
by booting a Linux LiveCD as the running OS, and
doing a chroot of the damaged on-eMMC OS, and repairing
GRUB that way.

But Linux will add Windows to the GRUB boot manager,
and those calls are called "Chainloading".

If Linux is installed last, then Linux adds everything
to the menu.

If you let the automation install Linux, now there's
no space left on the drive for Windows. You'll need to
shrink the Linux partition. GParted can do that (perhaps,
again, using the LiveCD as the running OS at the time).

A 32GB eMMC leaves you with 10GB for Windows, 10GB for
a Linux, and maybe a pagefile and hiberfile. On a laptop, the
hiberfile is used if the battery runs flat, and the
laptop seeks to preserve your running session.

The end result is, there won't be a lot of space on
the drive.

With a device that small, it's all about the space the space the space.
You'll always be worried about running out of space.

You can see eMMC drives here. These are 4X the size of what
is present in the Dell right now. But, you need a hot air
solder station, to change one of those out. Depending on the
quality of the motherboard PCB, you can change a drive like
that up to about three times, before the surface of the PCB
is too damaged to do it again.

https://www.businesswire.com/news/ho...yte-3-bit-NAND


If you take the bottom off the Inspiron, you'd be looking
to see if there is a 2.5" drive bay. Not all the machines
need use the same motherboard PCB, and they could easily
have an alternate motherboard with no spot on it for a
2.5" drive. Since the machine doesn't use conventional "bays",
the whole bottom has to come off, and the center screw, if
it's stuck, we don't know how to take that off. The available
video isn't actually for that machine, and I wasn't able
to find a Youtube video of the P25T coming apart. There are
multiple Inspiron models using the same plastic chassis design.

Â*Â*Â* Paul

Thank you, Paul. I'll sleep on what you have said and review in the
morning.

I may well remove the bottom cover tomorrow and take a peek inside!

You'll need a spudger. The two halves of the clamshell "snap together"
with locking tabs. To not leave marks, you need practice. You need to
depress the tab in the seam and pry apart the clamshell. (You do all
this after the screws are removed.)

I had to do this for a computer I gifted to someone. It was
an AIO design, with those locking tabs. What a pain in the ass :-)

You would think a design with eight or nine screws to hold
it together, wouldn't need locking tabs. But that's what it's
got.

If I could possibly have found a [verified] picture of a P25T mobo,
I would have shown it to you by now. All I could find is one
dishonest Youtube video, where the wrong machine was
featured in the video. The video has the same plastic
chassis, but the motherboard is different, and it may or
may not match what is inside your P25T.

For example, there's this manual. The inside of the machine
could look like PDF page 29 here. But since we know the machine
has 32GB eMMC, they don't need to populate the drive bay
area if they don't want to. The PCB could be entirely
different than the picture shown on page 29. A product line
with HDD bay and with eMMC, those could be two different motherboard
PCBs. They could even put the eMMC chip in a dual footprint
location under where the drive bay should be located.

https://content.etilize.com/User-Manual/1035517054.pdf

I wouldn't start taking that apart, unless it was no longer
headed back to the owner. If it's your little lab experiment,
you can practice your spudger skills on it.

The spudger action can be seen here... This is likely not
what your machine looks like inside (this is a P28T not
a P25T like the text shows). And real locking tabs aren't
nearly that easy to take apart.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Sy5G9RFVig


I really do enjoy you responses, Paul!

I had watched that video BEFORE I posted in this group yesterday.

Here's what I found when I opened the computer this morning:-

https://imgur.com/PrALH8U

AFAICT, the hard drive is not easily replaceable. One other reason for
opening the case was to get a clearer view of the left-hand hinge, which
was broken when my youngest granddaughten knocked the computer from the
arm of a settee onto a hard wooden floor! That was quite some time ago
now. I spent some while looking at the broken hinge and finally decided
that I might do more harm than good if I attempted to try and effect a
repair.

Here's another photo of the machine, now up-and-running again and
updated with the latest Linux Mint 19 Cinnamon:-

https://imgur.com/klkr8BM

After telling my daughter the result of my efforts she emailed saying ....

"Ah! thank you, daddy!!! You are the best â*�ï¸�

We’ll only be using it for surfing the Internet now probably but
hopefully that will be easier and quicker now!!"

=

I appreciate the help given by all respondents in this thread.

*Thank you*!

I.Mackie wrote:
On 07/10/2018 04:40, Paul wrote:
I.Mackie wrote:
On 06/10/2018 23:44, Paul wrote:
I.Mackie wrote:
On 06/10/2018 10:54, Paul wrote:
I.Mackie wrote:

I've been trying to update my daughter's laptop but am constantly
advised that there is insufficient space on the PC.

Here's what I found using Checkdisk

https://imgur.com/gallery/bnfnId6

Windows 10 Update Assistant advises that 8GB is needed but I've
found that impossible to achieve. There's basically nothing on
the computer other than the operating system (It's a small Dell
Inspiron P25T 2GB RAM - about 3 years old - Windows 10 Home).

What action could I/should I take?

"Dell Inspiron 11 Laptop Unable to Update Windows 10"

https://www.dell.com/community/Lapto...0/td-p/5135249


"Yes, my computer has around 28-29 GB on the drive.

With Windows installed along with all of the Dell drivers,
etc. it is at around 4 GB [free]."

*******

"Good news! I just got a notification on the computer to fix
a problem with updates since they could not install, and when
I clicked "Fix Now," the Windows Update window opened and shows
"Windows needs more space." The good part is that I have the
option now to choose another drive or attach an external drive
with 14 GB available. This is for the 1607 update.

Fortunately, I have a 16gb flash drive available and I am
transferring the contents to my other laptop right now in order
to have enough space for the update. I will let you know what
happens. Hopefully I can update everything with no problem.
"

*******

Different install methods have slight differences in behavior.

Windows Update method of doing an OS Upgrade, is capable of
asking for temporary storage space in the form of a USB stick
or an SD card. There have been cases though, where space is
offered, and the installer refuses to use the type of
storage offered.

If you install using a downloaded Win10 DVD 1809, then it
might not prompt for additional storage, and it might just
stop dead.

I would check the hardware junk room and see what USB
drives you have available for the job.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...eatures-update


Paul

Thanks for that, Paul.

I did try adding an external drive in amongst all my other
experimentation yesterday but I made no progress. I've therefore
taken a different approach.

I have successfully installed Linnux Mint onto the machine;-

https://imgur.com/gallery/4znzoP6

I've also downloaded an ISO from Microsoft and I'm now going to see
if I can load Windows10 from that onto the Dell p25T.

You could be suggesting a move from Linux_as_only_OS to
Windows10_as_only_OS.

But I suspect a more likely picture, is you think you're multi-booting.
And putting two OSes on the same 32GB eMMC drive.

The easiest multiboot order is:

WinXP then Vista then W7 then W8 then W10 then Linux then Linux
then Linux

WinXP is a boot.ini OS. It cannot put a later OS in
its menu.

Vista through Win10 are BCD OSes. They are able to
put WinXP in their boot menu, if they detect it.
The BCD OSes also respect other BCD OSes and add
them to the menu.

Windows will not add Linux to the menu. There are
third party tools (I used to use Boot Magic fifteen
years ago), that are OS agnostic and will handle
a whole lot of stuff. But Windows itself is not
helpful. If you install Windows after Linux, it'll
kill GRUB stage 0 so Linux can't boot any more,
Windows will boot, and you'll have to find a tutorial
on "GRUB repair". There's at least one utility for
that, but you might also be able to get there
by booting a Linux LiveCD as the running OS, and
doing a chroot of the damaged on-eMMC OS, and repairing
GRUB that way.

But Linux will add Windows to the GRUB boot manager,
and those calls are called "Chainloading".

If Linux is installed last, then Linux adds everything
to the menu.

If you let the automation install Linux, now there's
no space left on the drive for Windows. You'll need to
shrink the Linux partition. GParted can do that (perhaps,
again, using the LiveCD as the running OS at the time).

A 32GB eMMC leaves you with 10GB for Windows, 10GB for
a Linux, and maybe a pagefile and hiberfile. On a laptop, the
hiberfile is used if the battery runs flat, and the
laptop seeks to preserve your running session.

The end result is, there won't be a lot of space on
the drive.

With a device that small, it's all about the space the space the space.
You'll always be worried about running out of space.

You can see eMMC drives here. These are 4X the size of what
is present in the Dell right now. But, you need a hot air
solder station, to change one of those out. Depending on the
quality of the motherboard PCB, you can change a drive like
that up to about three times, before the surface of the PCB
is too damaged to do it again.

https://www.businesswire.com/news/ho...yte-3-bit-NAND


If you take the bottom off the Inspiron, you'd be looking
to see if there is a 2.5" drive bay. Not all the machines
need use the same motherboard PCB, and they could easily
have an alternate motherboard with no spot on it for a
2.5" drive. Since the machine doesn't use conventional "bays",
the whole bottom has to come off, and the center screw, if
it's stuck, we don't know how to take that off. The available
video isn't actually for that machine, and I wasn't able
to find a Youtube video of the P25T coming apart. There are
multiple Inspiron models using the same plastic chassis design.

Paul

Thank you, Paul. I'll sleep on what you have said and review in the
morning.

I may well remove the bottom cover tomorrow and take a peek inside!

You'll need a spudger. The two halves of the clamshell "snap together"
with locking tabs. To not leave marks, you need practice. You need to
depress the tab in the seam and pry apart the clamshell. (You do all
this after the screws are removed.)

I had to do this for a computer I gifted to someone. It was
an AIO design, with those locking tabs. What a pain in the ass :-)

You would think a design with eight or nine screws to hold
it together, wouldn't need locking tabs. But that's what it's
got.

If I could possibly have found a [verified] picture of a P25T mobo,
I would have shown it to you by now. All I could find is one
dishonest Youtube video, where the wrong machine was
featured in the video. The video has the same plastic
chassis, but the motherboard is different, and it may or
may not match what is inside your P25T.

For example, there's this manual. The inside of the machine
could look like PDF page 29 here. But since we know the machine
has 32GB eMMC, they don't need to populate the drive bay
area if they don't want to. The PCB could be entirely
different than the picture shown on page 29. A product line
with HDD bay and with eMMC, those could be two different motherboard
PCBs. They could even put the eMMC chip in a dual footprint
location under where the drive bay should be located.

https://content.etilize.com/User-Manual/1035517054.pdf

I wouldn't start taking that apart, unless it was no longer
headed back to the owner. If it's your little lab experiment,
you can practice your spudger skills on it.

The spudger action can be seen here... This is likely not
what your machine looks like inside (this is a P28T not
a P25T like the text shows). And real locking tabs aren't
nearly that easy to take apart.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Sy5G9RFVig


I really do enjoy you responses, Paul!

I had watched that video BEFORE I posted in this group yesterday.

Here's what I found when I opened the computer this morning:-

https://imgur.com/PrALH8U

AFAICT, the hard drive is not easily replaceable. One other reason for
opening the case was to get a clearer view of the left-hand hinge, which
was broken when my youngest granddaughten knocked the computer from the
arm of a settee onto a hard wooden floor! That was quite some time ago
now. I spent some while looking at the broken hinge and finally decided
that I might do more harm than good if I attempted to try and effect a
repair.

Here's another photo of the machine, now up-and-running again and
updated with the latest Linux Mint 19 Cinnamon:-

https://imgur.com/klkr8BM

After telling my daughter the result of my efforts she emailed saying ....

"Ah! thank you, daddy!!! You are the best â*�ï¸�

We’ll only be using it for surfing the Internet now probably but
hopefully that will be easier and quicker now!!"

=

I appreciate the help given by all respondents in this thread.

*Thank you*!

In the "PrALH8U" picture, I see a cover for where a hard
drive could go (near the bottom of the picture). You'd have to look
underneath that cover to see if there was a SATA connector. The
SATA connector, a bit of it, should be visible in your photo,
and I don't see it. There must be some other trickery under there...

*******

For hinges, there was a time when hinges could be purchased
as a replacement part. Before that time, they made the hinges
be part of other assemblies, and having a hinge break with
those designs, was a disaster. Later, they had hinges that bolted
into place, so if the hinge snapped, or the hinge didn't have
the correct degree of friction to keep the laptop open, you
could purchase a pair of hinges and fix it.

They did the same thing with barrel power connectors. At one time,
the barrel connector was on the main PCB. If you snapped the
connector, it means a new $400 motherboard. There were also a ton
of web pages with "recipes" for re-attaching the barrel part.
Then, they decided to make the barrel power connector into a
tiny square PCB of its own. The barrel was on one end, and
an internal connector on the other end. If you damaged the
power connector, you purchased the tiny PCB to replace
the thing. There was enough "play" in the tiny board, that
you typically didn't snap off the internal connector.

Paul

Frank Slootweg wrote:
Ant wrote:
Users should always be doing backups often especially before major
upgrades and changes like this. I need to do mine again before Tuesday.


Making backup isn't so much the issue (for users in this group). The
problem is, how do you know *that* some stuff has been deleted, let
alone - *exactly* - *what* has been deleted?

It may talk a long time to find out all the bits which have been
deleted, and then it might be too late, i.e. the backup might have been
overwritten.

So beside backup(s), one also needs archives (which might be appended
to, but never - partly - overwritten.

The issue is a bit deceptive.

I did a Properties on (what I thought was) my entire
Home directory, and Windows said "3GB". Yet, there was
70GB of stuff.

The trick is, the Downloads folder is a Junction Point.
And the Explorer Properties dialog, would not descent the
Junction Point and find the missing 67GB of stuff. I'm supposed
to go through that giant list of directories manually one
at a time, write down the content size, add them together
and get my number (I guess). Clever.

I'm working on another method to suss out the value.
What I want to try out, is the hashdeep audit function,
and see what it can detect (compare the "before" and
"after" copies of my home directory). Right now, hashdeep is
complaining about some files that (similar to Linux), it's
not allowed to read. This is ****ing me off. It is, after all,
supposed to be my home directory. And the thing stopping hashdeep
is a copy of the MSEdge executable which is in Appdata :-/
couldn't they find a less stupid place for that ?

So what I'm trying to do right now, is find an "equalizer"
to put me back in control.

Paul

Paul wrote:

"Windows 10 October Update May Wipe Files"

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/wi...ers,37888.html


"Some users are reporting that the update is causing files in the
user directory
to be deleted, including documents, photos and music.

MSPoweruser first reported the news."

From the MSPoweruser link in that article, it says...

"To make things worse, rolling back the install
does not restore the missing files."

Nothing every changes. Safety first.

Only have the target C: installed in the computer.
Don't leave data drives in a computer while doing an upgrade.
(With the power off, unplugging the cables is sufficient.)

No matter how "nominally" safe something is, make a backup.
That backup will have your home directory in it (the home
directory that is about to lose files).

HTH,
Paul

There's a description of the root cause here.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018...nsider-testing

"a capability called Known Folder Redirection (KFR)"

And even if you didn't use folder redirection yourself,
to "spread" your footprint out to multiple disks, tools
such as OneDrive can use KFR on your behalf. And that's
how some of the victims would have got "set up" for
this failure.

Paul

On Fri, 5 Oct 2018 19:26:31 +0100, Andy Burns
wrote:

Ken Blake wrote:

The only real solution to such a problem is replacing the drive with a
bigger one

Likely to be a 32GB eMMC soldered to the motherboard, a machine with 2GB
ram plus 32GB flash is landfill fodder really.

I have a Dreambook tablet computer which has 2GB RAM and a 32GB
SATA SSD. I upgraded it to W10 and it has all the updates.
I also have W10 running on a dual core Pentium machine with 1GB
RAM. It runs well enough to do ordinary things.

On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 23:59:23 +1100, Lucifer
wrote:

On Fri, 5 Oct 2018 19:26:31 +0100, Andy Burns
wrote:

Ken Blake wrote:

The only real solution to such a problem is replacing the drive with a
bigger one

Likely to be a 32GB eMMC soldered to the motherboard, a machine with 2GB
ram plus 32GB flash is landfill fodder really.

I have a Dreambook tablet computer which has 2GB RAM and a 32GB
SATA SSD. I upgraded it to W10 and it has all the updates.
I also have W10 running on a dual core Pentium machine with 1GB
RAM. It runs well enough to do ordinary things.



It all depends on what you consider to be "ordinary things." If your
1GB machine works well for you, that's great. But for the large
majority of users, its performance would be terrible.

On Sun, 7 Oct 2018 00:07:23 +0100, Patrick wrote:

On 06/10/2018 23:21, I.Mackie wrote:
[9 quoted lines suppressed]

https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/soft...load/windows10

That point to the April 2018 version, not the October one?

mechanic wrote:
On Sun, 7 Oct 2018 00:07:23 +0100, Patrick wrote:

On 06/10/2018 23:21, I.Mackie wrote:
[9 quoted lines suppressed]
https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/soft...load/windows10

That point to the April 2018 version, not the October one?

They will (eventually) put the correct one back there.

Don't download if it says April.

It'll say October when they prepare a 17763_1 version
to replace the "data loss 17763" version.

The Windows Update path for 17763 is switched off
right now too.

The Windows Update path was on for about half
a day, and then it was switched off again. I
got a copy of 17763 while it wasn't supposed to
be available.

Paul