All bass and almost no high frequencies.

I was at a friend's place showing her pictures of my recent trip, and a
little bit was a video of a parade.

I am not a picky guy, but the sound was terrible. All throbbing bass and
almost no high frequencies. And somehow it was even worse than that.
The treble was squished or blurred or somethign. (I've listened to
this same video on my computer with $10 used speakers, $50 originally,
and when the sound is loud the video sounds just like the original
parade** and nothing like her computer.) **It's wonderful. It's like I'm
there again.

It's a desktop running win10 with a small pair of Bose speakers. And
she didn't economize. It has a large touch-monitor.

I didn't get the model number of the speakers but usually cheap or
inadequate speakers are lacking in base, not treble, right?

We looked for an equalizer -- maybe that had her treble turned off --
but only found something that let her change from Pop to Blues, etc. and
even that she thought applied to her original speakers (or original
sound card?) and not what she was using. She has two speaker icons in
her systray, one the MS win10 outline and another than is brown or
orange and filled in within the outline.


Googling Bose speakers, this is what they looked like:

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/bose-co...iece/7996403.p
My gosh, they are $400. They ought to work. (and they are the only
ones on the Bose page that look like this. In case you don't believe
me, https://www.bose.com/en_us/products/..._speakers.html

Well, I didnt' see the 5th speaker, the woofer, but I think I saw the
hockey-puck shaped thing.

Perhaps only the woofer was working? I thought even a woofer would have
some treble, unless it has a crossover to stop that. ??

I should have picked up one of the front speakers and listened if
anything was coming out. I can have her do that.

So, what is the problem?


Apparently she doesn't play videos or anything else with sound most of
the time, so maybe she's off the hook for not noticing, but OTOT surely
she plays news clips once in a while.

One more thing:

She has all the software volumes set to max and she adjusts the volume
using the knob on the speaker.

I didnt' think anything of this because, even though I don't normally do
it, I've never had a problem setting my software volume to max.

Could that be her problem?



In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 13 Jan 2018 03:45:51 -0500, micky
wrote:

I was at a friend's place showing her pictures of my recent trip, and a
little bit was a video of a parade.

I am not a picky guy, but the sound was terrible. All throbbing bass and
almost no high frequencies. And somehow it was even worse than that.
The treble was squished or blurred or somethign. (I've listened to
this same video on my computer with $10 used speakers, $50 originally,
and when the sound is loud the video sounds just like the original
parade** and nothing like her computer.) **It's wonderful. It's like I'm
there again.

It's a desktop running win10 with a small pair of Bose speakers. And
she didn't economize. It has a large touch-monitor.

I didn't get the model number of the speakers but usually cheap or
inadequate speakers are lacking in base, not treble, right?

We looked for an equalizer -- maybe that had her treble turned off --
but only found something that let her change from Pop to Blues, etc. and
even that she thought applied to her original speakers (or original
sound card?) and not what she was using. She has two speaker icons in
her systray, one the MS win10 outline and another than is brown or
orange and filled in within the outline.


Googling Bose speakers, this is what they looked like:

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/bose-co...iece/7996403.p
My gosh, they are $400. They ought to work. (and they are the only
ones on the Bose page that look like this. In case you don't believe
me, https://www.bose.com/en_us/products/..._speakers.html

Well, I didnt' see the 5th speaker, the woofer, but I think I saw the
hockey-puck shaped thing.

Perhaps only the woofer was working? I thought even a woofer would have
some treble, unless it has a crossover to stop that. ??

I should have picked up one of the front speakers and listened if
anything was coming out. I can have her do that.

So, what is the problem?


Apparently she doesn't play videos or anything else with sound most of
the time, so maybe she's off the hook for not noticing, but OTOT surely
she plays news clips once in a while.

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 13 Jan 2018 04:01:09 -0500, micky
wrote:


One more thing:

She has all the software volumes set to max and she adjusts the volume
using the knob on the speaker.

I didnt' think anything of this because, even though I don't normally do
it, I've never had a problem setting my software volume to max.

Could that be her problem?

Apparently not. This is how Bose says to adjust the volume:

"When you are listening to any audio source on your computer, there are
usually three separate volume settings to consider: one from your
computer, one from the application and the volume control on your Bose®
system. For best sound performance, we recommend presetting your
computer and application to 2/3 of the maximum volume or higher (see
below). Then, use the volume control on your Bose system as the master
control and adjust the volume accordingly."

2/3rds or higher. ("Below" just has instructions on how to do that.)



I don't do it this way because I can't reach the speakers without
standing up. I put the speaker-volume on the speakers fairly high, but
certainly not maxiumum and I used KeyRemapper or AutoHotKey and assigned
the / and * keys in the numeric keypad to volume down and up. Works
very well.

In article , NONONOmisc07
@bigfoot.com says...
So, what is the problem?

Failing to RTFM where on page 20 in the trouble shooting section it
says:

Problem= System sounds ?tinny,?too much treble.

Answer= Make sure Bass Compensation control on the Acoustimass ® module
is not turned fully counterclockwise.

micky wrote:
One more thing:

She has all the software volumes set to max and she adjusts the volume
using the knob on the speaker.

I didnt' think anything of this because, even though I don't normally do
it, I've never had a problem setting my software volume to max.

Could that be her problem?

If you're going to do that, you should be using a VU meter.

Maybe dialing all the computer knobs to 11, is driving
the signal into saturation ?

What I do is

1) Set the speaker volume first, so that no matter what
burp or fart comes out the computer, the noise level
won't blow out an eardrum. Using Audacity, I can probably
manage to create a 440Hz tone of constant amplitude (1V).

2) Then, adjust the computer knobs for the level I want.

My volume is normally set to 7% out of 100%, so there
is plenty of range for me to increase the gain on the
computer side.

If playing sound in Audacity, there is a VU meter in the
upper right. VU meters for everything else - not so sure
what's available for that.

The LineOut on the computer produces around 1.1V flat out.
If the recorded signal swings that high, I probably
wouldn't need to add gain with the computer setting.
The 7% would be enough. If, on the other hand, I played
a commercial DVD, I think those are around 15dB down or
so. Some extra gain would be required there.

When you play 2.0 sound on a 5.1 system, you need to look
for the setting that causes two channels to turn into
5.1 channels (math transform). Sometimes, you need to
transform the signal to get a good effect. Since I only
own 2.0 speakers (no Sub), this is not a problem for me.
On a 5.1 file, I'd probably want that mixed down somehow,
for best results.

It's complicated, and you have to think about the
possibilities a bit, to work out what went wrong.

Using Audacity, I don't even know if it'll drive 5.1
if you create three sets of signals. And I don't really
have any good sample files. Oh, yes, I have FLAC samples,
but there's no depth to the multi-channel ones at all.
So they're useless for any sort of "gee whiz" listening
tests. And there's limits to how much
you can impress people with simple stereo signals.

A good custom control panel, has a listening test.
And as individual speakers are tested, the icon for
the speaker lights up. Note that the Windows 10 in-box
MS driver doesn't have all the bells and whistles. if you
need Equalizer, VU meters, transforms, speaker tests,
download the hardware company driver package and
control panel. Note that some control panels now, you
have to open the Program Files folder and actually find
the damn thing, as it's not where it should be on
the desktop.

https://vjauj58549.i.lithium.com/com...%20Speaker.jpg

The ability to acquire audio packages varies greatly.
RealTek is generous with theirs, and there's never a
problem getting a package. All the rest are quite
inferior by comparison. For example, if I wanted a
SoundMax for Asus mobo, instead I'd have to datamine the
Dell site to get one (Asus doesn't constantly update
theirs). SoundMax (Analog Devices) doesn't
have their own downloads.

Paul

micky wrote:

I was at a friend's place showing her pictures of my recent
trip, and a little bit was a video of a parade.

I am not a picky guy, but the sound was terrible. All
throbbing bass and almost no high frequencies. And
somehow it was even worse than that. The treble was
squished or blurred or somethign.

Nowadays apparently some take pride in "colored" sound.
Instead of attempting to reproduce the sound as it is
supposed to be. They pretend that changing the frequencies is
a good thing. It is an excuse for bad speakers.

Not saying that is your problem, but I discovered that when
searching for speakers recently. Ended up with JBL LSR305
monitors.

Another possibility is mis-adjustment of an equalizer, like
the "Creative Graphic Equalizer ". You definitely can mess up
the frequencies with that. But of course it is also useful
for filtering stuff. Just need to see if it's there.




John Doe wrote:

micky wrote:

I was at a friend's place showing her pictures of my
recent trip, and a little bit was a video of a parade.

I am not a picky guy, but the sound was terrible. All
throbbing bass and almost no high frequencies. And
somehow it was even worse than that. The treble was
squished or blurred or somethign.

Nowadays apparently some take pride in "colored" sound.
Instead of attempting to reproduce the sound as it is
supposed to be. They pretend that changing the frequencies
is a good thing. It is an excuse for bad speakers.

Not saying that is your problem, but I discovered that when
searching for speakers recently. Ended up with JBL LSR305
monitors.

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 13 Jan 2018 09:25:31 -0000,
Unsteadyken wrote:

In article , NONONOmisc07
says...
So, what is the problem?

Failing to RTFM where on page 20 in the trouble shooting section it
says:

Problem= System sounds ?tinny,?too much treble.

Answer= Make sure Bass Compensation control on the Acoustimass ® module
is not turned fully counterclockwise.

You were right! Someone else set it up for her and she didn't even
know that knob was there. I haven't heard it, but she told me today she
turned the knob and it sounds better. Thanks, and thanks all.