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"R. C. White" wrote in
ecom: Hi, Andy. See my inline bottom post... "Andy" wrote in message ... "R. C. White" wrote in : Hi, Henny. Maybe I can answer a couple of your questions. Why no windows mail? Because people have complained for years about the "bloat" In Windows. By removing some functions that are not part of the actual operating system, MS made Windows 7 a bit slimmer than Vista. This also reduces the complaints from vendors of competing products. But, you can go to http://download.live.com and download - for free - all the Windows Live Essentials. These include Windows Live Mail, Windows Live Photo Gallery, Windows Live Messenger and a couple of others. It's like if Ford was forbidden to include a radio in their cars because of complaints from Bose and other radio makers. The Ford dealer could tell his customer, "You are free to go to Best Buy or Wal*Mart or wherever you like and buy the radio of your choice. Or, you can drive around to our service department and we'll install our radio for free!" It doesn't make sense to me, but it should quiet some of the complaints. Are not these cluttered screens and a cluttered task bar just hopeless confusion to new and less experienced users? Not as much as you think. Most "new and less experienced users" will not have to shake off the WinXP mindset that afflicts so many experienced users. They will arrive at Win7 without all that old baggage. But many WinXP users - mostly the ones who have so adamantly resisted learning to use Vista - will also have trouble learning to use Win7 - or any other new system. But those who enjoy learning about new and better systems will be enjoying Win7 in just a few days. ;) RC I just got a Win7 'puter (laptop) on Saturday. Therre's a ton of learning curve for me. It should be fun - if you enjoy learning. ;) The 64-bit OS has made me a bit nervous. No need to be nervous. I've never had a Sony - or any laptop. But I'm sure that Sony has already taken care of the hard parts. I doubt that you will really notice the difference between 32-bit and 64-bit. Most of the differences are under the hood; the user interfaces are identical. One important difference is that 64-bit Windows has an additional program files folder, which first appeared in WinXP x64, then in Vista x64 and now in Win7 x64. The original Program Files name is used for 64-bit applications. Most applications are still 32-bit and they are installed in the newer "Program Files (x86)" folder; the "x86" refers to the line of Intel 16- and 32-bit CPUs starting with the 8086 in the mid-1980's. Win7 x64 should automatically sort apps into the correct folders, and the user usually will not even notice unless he is watching closely during the app's setup. My 'puter is a Sony Vaio VGN-N270F. Amazing how much stuff they can shoehorn into a 6.4 lb. box! I'm so lost, a little less, as time passes watching the video help! I DO miss outlook express. From such familiarity, this is a new step out into the wild, so-to-speak. Even Vista did not have OE, and Microsoft announced about 3 years ago that development on both OE and Vista's Windows Mail had ceased and no further updates will be forthcoming, except for security fixes that might be needed. As discussed earlier in this thread, Win7 has no email/news app at all, but you can download Windows Live Essentials - including Windows Live Mail - for free from download.live.com. Millions of users have successfully made the transition from OE to WLM, and I'm sure you will, too. Andy Come on in. The water's fine! ;) RC RC, I'd have thought 64-bit Windows would be 32-bit backwards compatible but I've noticed some data handling discrepancies with one application "xNews", it doesn't sort date and time like it used to. It's a couple years old, that might explain that. Now I'm going to call up my software companies I've licensed and inquire before re-installing them. Thanks, Andy |
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"R. C. White" wrote in
ecom: Microsoft Windows MVP Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8089.0726) in Win7 Ultimate x64 RC, Also, explain, if you can, is Windows Live Mail a standalone emailer or a web/online email version like fetching hotmail? I haven't done homework on Windows Live yet. All this new nomenclature... DAMMIT! Best, Andy |
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On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 04:54:03 -0500, Andy compiled the
following: snip I'd have thought 64-bit Windows would be 32-bit backwards compatible but I've noticed some data handling discrepancies with one application "xNews", it doesn't sort date and time like it used to. It's a couple years old, that might explain that. The version of Xnews on this Win7 64bit m/c, Xnews/2009.05.01, is sorting them the same way as I had it set up in Vista 64bit and in XP 32bit. -- Geordie Usenet, how to post info: http://www.dickgaughan.co.uk/usenet/...aq08-topp.html http://www.i-hate-computers.demon.co.uk/quote.html |
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Geordie wrote in
: On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 04:54:03 -0500, Andy compiled the following: snip I'd have thought 64-bit Windows would be 32-bit backwards compatible but I've noticed some data handling discrepancies with one application "xNews", it doesn't sort date and time like it used to. It's a couple years old, that might explain that. The version of Xnews on this Win7 64bit m/c, Xnews/2009.05.01, is sorting them the same way as I had it set up in Vista 64bit and in XP 32bit. Geordie, I remember a test version of xNews! Chances are there's a sort setting I completely forgot about. From his website, "new test version that supports 2^31 article numbers (sorry, no, it's not the 64 bit version of Xnews " What the heck? Andy |
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On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 05:22:33 -0500, Andy compiled the
following: Geordie wrote in : The version of Xnews on this Win7 64bit m/c, Xnews/2009.05.01, is sorting them the same way as I had it set up in Vista 64bit and in XP 32bit. Geordie, I remember a test version of xNews! That's the version I have. Chances are there's a sort setting I completely forgot about. This is what is in my xnews config file: DateFmtDay=hh:nn DateFmtWeek=ddd dd hh:nn DateFmtYear=mmm dd hh:nn It might not be what you are looking for though. From his website, "new test version that supports 2^31 article numbers (sorry, no, it's not the 64 bit version of Xnews " What the heck? Andy That was changes to Usenet postings if memory serves me correctly. I only use Xnews as a back up, as Agent is my main newsreader. -- Geordie Usenet, how to post info: http://www.dickgaughan.co.uk/usenet/...aq08-topp.html http://www.i-hate-computers.demon.co.uk/quote.html |
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Geordie wrote in
: I only use Xnews as a back up, as Agent is my main newsreader. I never used Agent as a Usenet newsreader. Not knowing better, I always figured xNews as having the most capable scoring and filters. Correct me if I'm wrong. Andy |
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I'm still grasping the "library" feature.
I know what it is by Photoshop's library feature, I just can't wrap my brain around an OS file library. I'm familiar with aliases. Maybe the mechanism/implentation is causeing me increased confusion. And I've been 'puting since 196, instant messaging back then, between schools, too!!! We had paper printout terminals with IBM APL/360 golfballs and hand dialed/coupled phone to modem connect back in 6th grade. By no surprise, I'm PO'd that I've slipped behind the times. You youngsters! Back in the early 1980's I handled 5mB Winchester 6-level hard, 2,000rpm disk drives for the Data General refrigerator-sized "mini" mainframes. Before floppy disks!!! Andy |
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Hi, Andy.
RC, Also, explain, if you can, is Windows Live Mail a standalone emailer or a web/online email version like fetching hotmail? Yes, it is a standalone mail/news application. (It is like OE, except that it is not integral to the OS.) Yes, it can handle Hotmail accounts - and IMAP - but the only protocols I know about are POP3/SMTP and NNTP. I haven't done homework on Windows Live yet. Go to download.live.com and have a good look. All this new nomenclature... DAMMIT! Agreed! The Microsoft application-naming crew has created far too much unnecessary confusion! Best, Andy |
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Hi, again, Andy.
"Andy" wrote in message ... I'm still grasping the "library" feature. I know what it is by Photoshop's library feature, I just can't wrap my brain around an OS file library. Me, too. I KNOW where I have put my files. I put them into specific folders (directories) on specific volumes (partitions and logical drives) on specific HDDs because that's where my mind thinks they should be. And that's where I look for them when I need them. The "libraries" concept says I shouldn't worry about where they are; just click on what I want and Windows will find it for me. But when I want a specific photo that I know is in M:\Adobe\ChrisPix, I don't want to have to wander through Libraries or even My Pictures to try to find it, because I already know where I put it. I'm familiar with aliases. Maybe the mechanism/implentation is causeing me increased confusion. I think it's good for newbies who don't really understand partitions, directories, file systems, etc. - and don't want to have to learn about them. But for those of us who learned all that years ago, it's confusing. And I've been 'puting since 196, instant messaging back then, between schools, too!!! We had paper printout terminals with IBM APL/360 golfballs and hand dialed/coupled phone to modem connect back in 6th grade. In college in the 1950's, we didn't have computers, we had "IBM Machines". These were the "tabulating machines" that used 80-column punched cards. My first computer was the original TRS-80 in 1977. I started with music cassette storage and got a 5 1/4" floppy disk the next summer. By no surprise, I'm PO'd that I've slipped behind the times. I figure that I started up this learning curve the day I was born and I expect to keep climbing it until the day I die. Learning new stuff is still FUN! ;) You youngsters! Back in the early 1980's I handled 5mB Winchester 6-level hard, 2,000rpm disk drives for the Data General refrigerator-sized "mini" mainframes. Before floppy disks!!! In the late 1970's, our CPA firm got the large-desk-size IBM Model 32 mini-computer. It used 8" floppy diskettes, but I never had a chance to use them or or learn much about them. We had to hire an operator to run it. The first hard disk I saw for a PC was a 5 MB drive for a TRS-80 Model II in about 1983. It was about the size of the original Compaq computer. Andy OK, enough reminiscing for today. We're probably boring those youngsters. ;) RC -- R. C. White, CPA San Marcos, TX Microsoft Windows MVP Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8089.0726) in Win7 Ultimate x64 |
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"R. C. White" wrote in
: Hi, again, Andy. "Andy" wrote in message ... I'm still grasping the "library" feature. I know what it is by Photoshop's library feature, I just can't wrap my brain around an OS file library. Me, too. I KNOW where I have put my files. I put them into specific folders (directories) on specific volumes (partitions and logical drives) on specific HDDs because that's where my mind thinks they should be. And that's where I look for them when I need them. The "libraries" concept says I shouldn't worry about where they are; just click on what I want and Windows will find it for me. But when I want a specific photo that I know is in M:\Adobe\ChrisPix, I don't want to have to wander through Libraries or even My Pictures to try to find it, because I already know where I put it. I'm familiar with aliases. Maybe the mechanism/implentation is causeing me increased confusion. I think it's good for newbies who don't really understand partitions, directories, file systems, etc. - and don't want to have to learn about them. But for those of us who learned all that years ago, it's confusing. And I've been 'puting since 196, instant messaging back then, between schools, too!!! We had paper printout terminals with IBM APL/360 golfballs and hand dialed/coupled phone to modem connect back in 6th grade. In college in the 1950's, we didn't have computers, we had "IBM Machines". These were the "tabulating machines" that used 80-column punched cards. My first computer was the original TRS-80 in 1977. I started with music cassette storage and got a 5 1/4" floppy disk the next summer. RC, Ahhh, the good old Hollarith cards! BTW, I wasn't 'puting until 1969! OOPS! We had to program using them at UCLA. I'll never forget passing the class. I took the shoebox of carefully index card separated programs and tossing the entire thing into the air and let them flutter around. What a great stress relief!!! LOLOL!!! Best, Andy By no surprise, I'm PO'd that I've slipped behind the times. I figure that I started up this learning curve the day I was born and I expect to keep climbing it until the day I die. Learning new stuff is still FUN! ;) You youngsters! Back in the early 1980's I handled 5mB Winchester 6-level hard, 2,000rpm disk drives for the Data General refrigerator-sized "mini" mainframes. Before floppy disks!!! In the late 1970's, our CPA firm got the large-desk-size IBM Model 32 mini-computer. It used 8" floppy diskettes, but I never had a chance to use them or or learn much about them. We had to hire an operator to run it. The first hard disk I saw for a PC was a 5 MB drive for a TRS-80 Model II in about 1983. It was about the size of the original Compaq computer. Andy OK, enough reminiscing for today. We're probably boring those youngsters. ;) RC Thanks for sharing the magic! [waving] Andy |
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"Andy" wrote:
Ahhh, the good old Hollarith cards! BTW, I wasn't 'puting until 1969! OOPS! We had to program using them at UCLA.... Yeah, and those cards were dispensed out of vending machines outside the program submission window in Boelter Hall. I remember having to write tight FORTRAN code to fit the programs onto my budget-limited pack of cards. I remember taking the FORTRAN course from a Vietnamese grad student named "Tran" that year. That was just about the time that ARPA research started at UCLA and at other universities to give rise to the ARPAnet and then the Internet. *TimDaniels* |
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"Speaking in silver" wrote in message ... No, but you can always use Google groups :-( And get blocked by many newsreader-using regulars..... |
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"R. C. White" wrote in message ecom... Agreed! The Microsoft application-naming crew has created far too much unnecessary confusion! At least the confusion between Outlook Express and Outlook is diminishing rapidly with the demise of XP.... :-) |
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"Gordon" wrote in message
... "Speaking in silver" wrote in message ... No, but you can always use Google groups :-( And get blocked by many newsreader-using regulars..... I still have a Google Groups account I had not used in years. Logged in and checked and it shows no such group still. I guess they are not yet archiving or supporting this group. -- The older we get, the fewer things seem worth waiting in line for. Will Rogers |
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"Speaking in silver" wrote in message ... Part of the global strategy against freedom in the internet. Usenet allows to post and download anonymously. They don't like that. Instead, they want you to use use WLM, Eh? What rubbish. Windows Live Mail is an email client/News reader just like Thunderbird. How does that compromise your anonymity in Usenet? |
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