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Old February 15th 13, 04:15 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Looking at all the new PCs (not just laptops) coming out with touch
screens, I have to wonder if retrofits are going to be possible for
Windows 7 and/or XP systems?

I'm thinking something where the finger on a screen acts like mouse -
with tab to click - on, say, a 1900x1200 monitor.
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Old February 15th 13, 05:24 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"(PeteCresswell)" wrote in message ...
Looking at all the new PCs (not just laptops) coming out with touch
screens, I have to wonder if retrofits are going to be possible for
Windows 7 and/or XP systems?

I'm thinking something where the finger on a screen acts like mouse -
with tab to click - on, say, a 1900x1200 monitor.
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If you Google you'll find lots of info, like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKGM8XqLhBA

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Old February 15th 13, 06:01 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Fri, 15 Feb 2013 10:15:00 -0500, (PeteCresswell) wrote:

Looking at all the new PCs (not just laptops) coming out with touch
screens, I have to wonder if retrofits are going to be possible for
Windows 7 and/or XP systems?

I'm thinking something where the finger on a screen acts like mouse -
with tab to click - on, say, a 1900x1200 monitor.


I don't have a touch screen monitor, but my guess is these things are not
going to go over too well on a desktop PC. Why would I want to stretch my
arm out and poke a screen when it's much easier to use a mouse.
On the other hand, if I had a tablet or even my laptop on my lap, a touch
screen is easier that trying to fiddle with a mouse.
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Old February 15th 13, 06:25 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Hi Wolf

Wolf K wrote:

The issue is precision. Your finger's touch surface is about 1/4"
in diameter, more or less.


How old are you, mine is the double.;-)

The mouse pointer is actually a square
(large enough to display the arrow), whose active area is a few
pixels in diameter.


The image of the mousepointer is a square, but the hotspot is exactly
one pixel, if you want to do a click the mouse-up have to be within
a certain distance from the mouse-down in order to be recognised
as a click. When you do drawing or things that respond to a mouse-down
the precession is one pixel exactly.

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Old February 15th 13, 08:08 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Wolf K wrote:

On 2/15/2013 10:15 AM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Looking at all the new PCs (not just laptops) coming out with touch
screens, I have to wonder if retrofits are going to be possible for
Windows 7 and/or XP systems?

I'm thinking something where the finger on a screen acts like mouse -
with tab to click - on, say, a 1900x1200 monitor.


Touch screens are already available on laptops and all-in-one desktops,
but I suspect that they won't be nearly as useful as people think. It's
just the latest thing.


I suppose it depends on your definition of "useful". I use a tablet for my
day-to-day biz needs, and I use the hell out of *that* touch screen -- but
at home, on my workstation, it would be pretty inconvenient to have to
reach across the desk to poke the monitor every time I needed to click
something.

(On the flip side of that, my tablet came with a keyboard that works as a
sort of docking station, effectively turning it into a laptop. I use it at
home when necessary.)

As for touch screens being the "latest thing" (which you are almost
certainly right), they have been available for a couple of decades (at
least), it's only now that they're becoming "hip" (or whatever).

The issue is precision. Your finger's touch surface is about 1/4" in
diameter, more or less. The mouse pointer is actually a square (large
enough to display the arrow), whose active area is a few pixels in
diameter. There's no way you can have that kind of precision with your
finger tip. Thus, a touch-operated GUI will use a lot of real estate
(for tabs, eg) compared to a mouse- or touch-pad operated one. The
physical size of the screen is more important than the resolution, I
think.


Minor detail: the hotspot for any cursor is 1 pixel.

But I agree with you; trying to poke (for example) Winamp's close button (a
tiny button next to 2 other tiny buttons) with my finger is an exercise in
frustration.

I wrote an app specifically for use on tablets, and I had to make the
buttons (relatively) *huge* for them to be useful.

I was issued an iPad as part of my work on a volunteer board, and have
found that its touch screen is woefully lacking. The iPad is good for
reading documents, handy for casual photography, OK (just barely) for
video-phone, but not for real work. I mean, you can take notes if you
really want to, but a real keyboard and mouse is much more convenient.


My tablet runs Windows. (Normal x86 Win7, not the new ARM Win8.) I use it
for data entry in Excel while I'm on the road. It's better than when I was
using a laptop.

Bottom line: a touch GUI is good for a two or three operations, such as
opening an app or paging through a (short) document, but not good enough
for anything else.


To each his own, I suppose. I've used my tablet for data entry, internet,
programming, games, and reading without any problems beyond "minor
inconvenience". (But note that I don't normally use it at home.)

Postscript: even for reading documents, the iPad is mediocre. Paper is
much easier to handle, not least because it's much lighter. It's storage
of documents that makes the iPad a viable device. As a substitute for
paper it's merely average IMO.


While individual books may be lighter, I wouldn't want to carry around
several dozen books, whereas my tablet's weight doesn't increase no matter
how many books I have stored there. (I actually *prefer* digital formats to
dead tree format.)

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Old February 15th 13, 08:28 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Wolf K wrote:
On 2/15/2013 10:15 AM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Looking at all the new PCs (not just laptops) coming out with touch
screens, I have to wonder if retrofits are going to be possible for
Windows 7 and/or XP systems?

I'm thinking something where the finger on a screen acts like mouse -
with tab to click - on, say, a 1900x1200 monitor.


Touch screens are already available on laptops and all-in-one desktops,
but I suspect that they won't be nearly as useful as people think. It's
just the latest thing.

The issue is precision. Your finger's touch surface is about 1/4" in
diameter, more or less. The mouse pointer is actually a square (large
enough to display the arrow), whose active area is a few pixels in
diameter. There's no way you can have that kind of precision with your
finger tip. Thus, a touch-operated GUI will use a lot of real estate
(for tabs, eg) compared to a mouse- or touch-pad operated one. The
physical size of the screen is more important than the resolution, I think.

I was issued an iPad as part of my work on a volunteer board, and have
found that its touch screen is woefully lacking. The iPad is good for
reading documents, handy for casual photography, OK (just barely) for
video-phone, but not for real work. I mean, you can take notes if you
really want to, but a real keyboard and mouse is much more convenient.

Bottom line: a touch GUI is good for a two or three operations, such as
opening an app or paging through a (short) document, but not good enough
for anything else.

Postscript: even for reading documents, the iPad is mediocre. Paper is
much easier to handle, not least because it's much lighter. It's storage
of documents that makes the iPad a viable device. As a substitute for
paper it's merely average IMO.


It's horses for courses.

My iPad with its touch-screen is fantastic. I can read books in
car-parks, watch movies, listen to music; and recently I've plugged it
into my home hi-fi and listened to BBC podcasts through a top-notch
speaker system. I play games on planes, once sat at a table outside the
Αθηναιων *ολιτεια cafe in Athens, looking up at the Acropolis and using
the cafe's wi-fi to query the Net about things.

Fantastic!

But I also have my desktop at home. On that I do all kinds of things,
but they don't seem to require a touch-screen.

That's my seasoned use of modern IT. It works for me. Win7 on the
desktop; iOSX on the pad.

Am I missing something? I sure feel to be more on-line than I was five
years ago.

Ed


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Old February 16th 13, 12:47 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Wolf K wrote:
On 2/15/2013 2:28 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
[snip my comments]
It's horses for courses.

My iPad with its touch-screen is fantastic. I can read books in
car-parks, watch movies, listen to music; and recently I've plugged it
into my home hi-fi and listened to BBC podcasts through a top-notch
speaker system. I play games on planes, once sat at a table outside the
Αθηναιων *ολιτεια cafe in Athens, looking up at the Acropolis and using
the cafe's wi-fi to query the Net about things.

Fantastic!

But I also have my desktop at home. On that I do all kinds of things,
but they don't seem to require a touch-screen.

That's my seasoned use of modern IT. It works for me. Win7 on the
desktop; iOSX on the pad.

Am I missing something? I sure feel to be more on-line than I was five
years ago.

Ed


Well, watching movies, surfing the web, etc, isn't a touch screen thing,
it's a device thing. I've used the iPad occasionally for web searches,
it's OK for that. But generally, I just don't find the iPad versatile
enough. Its worst fault: only one app open/visible at a time, and no way
to switch apps without going through the home screen. As for watching
movies, I dislike small screens. FWIW, I don't consider Utoob stuff to
be movies. ;-)

As document reader, the iPad is not ideal. The screen is too small, and
when I zoom a PDF page to make the text readable, I may lose some of the
document. The app should automagically reflow text to always fit the
screen. Like Ctrl+ ;-)

But then, no technology is ideal.


I feel a king with an iPad. It's a staggering piece of equipment to
carry around in a bag. All the books, films, documents, music, + access
to the whole world's history and knowledge at your finger-tips. You can
even use it as a satnav.

I have a secret dream of inventing a time-machine and going back to tell
Archimedes about the future. I dream that neither myself nor the
time-machine would impress him too much; but the iPad would blow him away.

Ed

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Old February 16th 13, 12:48 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Fri, 15 Feb 2013 11:17:58 -0500, Wolf K wrote:

The issue is precision. Your finger's touch surface is about 1/4" in
diameter, more or less. The mouse pointer is actually a square (large
enough to display the arrow), whose active area is a few pixels in
diameter. There's no way you can have that kind of precision with your
finger tip.


Far into the future, evolution will be delivering humans with ultra-pointy
fingers.

Just kidding. I'm quite sure science will find a way to make a wireless
interface directly to our brains.

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Old February 16th 13, 01:51 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Fri, 15 Feb 2013 17:48:13 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:

On Fri, 15 Feb 2013 11:17:58 -0500, Wolf K wrote:

The issue is precision. Your finger's touch surface is about 1/4" in
diameter, more or less. The mouse pointer is actually a square (large
enough to display the arrow), whose active area is a few pixels in
diameter. There's no way you can have that kind of precision with your
finger tip.


Far into the future, evolution will be delivering humans with ultra-pointy
fingers.

Just kidding. I'm quite sure science will find a way to make a wireless
interface directly to our brains.


And in that era, the brain is what will evolve to be ultra-pointy.

A moment of seriousness: it seems that the Windows 8 interface and
touchscreen interfaces are definitely in the ' chacun son got'
realm.

I'm somewhere in the middle of things. I'm neither as positive as the
ones here (and in real life) who like tablets et al, nor as negative as
the haters. To me, as some in this thread seem to think, the different
devices have different fields of application, and both are fine (well,
good enough, at least) when restricted to the places where they work
best...

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Old February 16th 13, 11:33 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 16/02/2013 3:17 AM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2/15/2013 10:15 AM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Looking at all the new PCs (not just laptops) coming out with touch
screens, I have to wonder if retrofits are going to be possible for
Windows 7 and/or XP systems?

I'm thinking something where the finger on a screen acts like mouse -
with tab to click - on, say, a 1900x1200 monitor.


Touch screens are already available on laptops and all-in-one desktops,
but I suspect that they won't be nearly as useful as people think. It's
just the latest thing.

The issue is precision. Your finger's touch surface is about 1/4" in
diameter, more or less. The mouse pointer is actually a square (large
enough to display the arrow), whose active area is a few pixels in
diameter. There's no way you can have that kind of precision with your
finger tip. Thus, a touch-operated GUI will use a lot of real estate
(for tabs, eg) compared to a mouse- or touch-pad operated one. The
physical size of the screen is more important than the resolution, I think.

I was issued an iPad as part of my work on a volunteer board, and have
found that its touch screen is woefully lacking. The iPad is good for
reading documents, handy for casual photography, OK (just barely) for
video-phone, but not for real work. I mean, you can take notes if you
really want to, but a real keyboard and mouse is much more convenient.

Bottom line: a touch GUI is good for a two or three operations, such as
opening an app or paging through a (short) document, but not good enough
for anything else.

Postscript: even for reading documents, the iPad is mediocre. Paper is
much easier to handle, not least because it's much lighter. It's storage
of documents that makes the iPad a viable device. As a substitute for
paper it's merely average IMO.

If you can use a smartphone you can use a touch screen. I have fat
fingers but have no trouble fingering up MS Windows 8 on my Lenovo
ThinkPad Twist. I'm loving it, it's heaps better, not just in Metro but
also on anything in the desktop too, and scrolling is zillions of times
better with the finger and when I'm getting lots of popups its so much
easier to poke them with the finger than move a mouse around. In
practice, I'm finding a finger for most things is better than the mouse
but there's a couple of areas where the mouse pointer is better, I use
both and effortlessly switch between them.

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Old February 17th 13, 02:51 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Fri, 15 Feb 2013 10:15:00 -0500 "(PeteCresswell)" wrote
in article

Looking at all the new PCs (not just laptops) coming out with touch
screens, I have to wonder if retrofits are going to be possible for
Windows 7 and/or XP systems?

I'm thinking something where the finger on a screen acts like mouse -
with tab to click - on, say, a 1900x1200 monitor.


How much money do you have? Wacom makes gorgeous monitors that are touch
sensitive. I'm not sure fingers work with them - there's a stylus.
They're aimed at the graphics arts market. If you've ever watched the
Orange County Choppers TV show, the designer there uses one.
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Old February 17th 13, 01:57 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"Jason" wrote:
"(PeteCresswell)" wrote:


Looking at all the new PCs (not just laptops) coming out with touch
screens, I have to wonder if retrofits are going to be possible for
Windows 7 and/or XP systems?


I'm thinking something where the finger on a screen acts like mouse -
with tab to click - on, say, a 1900x1200 monitor.


How much money do you have? Wacom makes gorgeous monitors that are touch
sensitive. I'm not sure fingers work with them - there's a stylus.
They're aimed at the graphics arts market. If you've ever watched the
Orange County Choppers TV show, the designer there uses one.


Are you thinking about the Wacom Cintiq 24HD at ~US$2300? 1920x1200, 24"
display, 16:10 ratio, and 2048 levels of pressure resolution.

No, I don't have one (drool...) but as I read the specs it's not a
touch-sensitive screen.

Joe


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Old February 18th 13, 01:45 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 07:57:46 -0500 "Joe Morris"
wrote in article

"Jason" wrote:
"(PeteCresswell)" wrote:


Looking at all the new PCs (not just laptops) coming out with touch
screens, I have to wonder if retrofits are going to be possible for
Windows 7 and/or XP systems?


I'm thinking something where the finger on a screen acts like mouse -
with tab to click - on, say, a 1900x1200 monitor.


How much money do you have? Wacom makes gorgeous monitors that are touch
sensitive. I'm not sure fingers work with them - there's a stylus.
They're aimed at the graphics arts market. If you've ever watched the
Orange County Choppers TV show, the designer there uses one.


Are you thinking about the Wacom Cintiq 24HD at ~US$2300? 1920x1200, 24"
display, 16:10 ratio, and 2048 levels of pressure resolution.

No, I don't have one (drool...) but as I read the specs it's not a
touch-sensitive screen.

Joe


I don't have one either and am drooling too. I recently updated the
driver for my old Wacom Intuos tablet for Win 7 and they now have
incorporated gestures into the interface. They work surprisingly well.

Jason
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Old February 18th 13, 06:59 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"Jason" wrote in message
...

On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 07:57:46 -0500 "Joe Morris"
wrote in article

"Jason" wrote:
"(PeteCresswell)" wrote:


Looking at all the new PCs (not just laptops) coming out with touch
screens, I have to wonder if retrofits are going to be possible for
Windows 7 and/or XP systems?


I'm thinking something where the finger on a screen acts like mouse -
with tab to click - on, say, a 1900x1200 monitor.


How much money do you have? Wacom makes gorgeous monitors that are touch
sensitive. I'm not sure fingers work with them - there's a stylus.
They're aimed at the graphics arts market. If you've ever watched the
Orange County Choppers TV show, the designer there uses one.


Are you thinking about the Wacom Cintiq 24HD at ~US$2300? 1920x1200, 24"
display, 16:10 ratio, and 2048 levels of pressure resolution.

No, I don't have one (drool...) but as I read the specs it's not a
touch-sensitive screen.

Joe


I don't have one either and am drooling too. I recently updated the
driver for my old Wacom Intuos tablet for Win 7 and they now have
incorporated gestures into the interface. They work surprisingly well.
Jason

I've had my Sony VPCL116FX All-in-one desktop for a couple of years. I got
it at the local MS store in our mall. It came with Win 7 and has touch
screen and works fine. I find I seldom use the touch screen function since
it's easier to use my cordless mouse. It came with full TV capability using
Windows Media Center. Even has on screen TV guide and I can record on the
computer's hard drive. I won't upgrade to Win 8 because the evaluation
program shows that several things including the TV function won't work with
Win 8.

Last month I got on line a LG 42” 3D HDTV that’s “smart”. It’s really kewl!
I can access the internet on it and the 3D really looks good. It came with
6 pairs of glasses. Not that many programs in 3D but Consumer Reports
recommends them as they only cost a little more that the 2D versions and
have a better picture even in 2D. Than if 3D comes out more I’m already
set.

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Old February 18th 13, 10:31 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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In message , Panic
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[]
I've had my Sony VPCL116FX All-in-one desktop for a couple of years. I
got it at the local MS store in our mall. It came with Win 7 and has


(MS = Microsoft?)

touch screen and works fine. I find I seldom use the touch screen
function since it's easier to use my cordless mouse. It came with full


That's interesting.

TV capability using Windows Media Center. Even has on screen TV guide
and I can record on the computer's hard drive. I won't upgrade to Win
8 because the evaluation program shows that several things including
the TV function won't work with Win 8.

Last month I got on line a LG 42” 3D HDTV that’s “smart”.
It’s really kewl! I can access the internet on it and the 3D really
looks good. It


For those with binocular vision (2 similar eyes and the brain wiring to
use both of them at once) [so-called 3D TVs etc. are actually two-image,
not true 3D].

came with 6 pairs of glasses. Not that many programs in 3D but
Consumer Reports recommends them as they only cost a little more that
the 2D versions and have a better picture even in 2D. Than if 3D comes
out more I’m already set.

I'm intrigued how they _can_ be "better ... even in 2D".
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