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Switching from Safe to Normal mode and back again. Diagnostic Mode
Switching from Safe to Normal mode and back again: Diagnostic Mode
Is there really no easier way to switch from regular mode to Safe mode or the other way around,, except by fully logging into windows, then using MSCONFIG, changing it and restarting windows? Seems to me there should be a way to choose at the start, and with prior versions, if I had a crash, the next time windows started it gave me the choise of normal startup, safe mode, save mode with internet, cmd screen, etc. Now it just lets me start again Also, I set msconfig for Diagnostic Startup, because it was placed between Full and Selective and diagnosis seemed like a good thing but after restart it was in Safe mode anyhow!! |
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Switching from Safe to Normal mode and back again. Diagnostic Mode
On 6/29/2020 3:17 PM, KenW wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 18:20:53 +0300, micky wrote: Switching from Safe to Normal mode and back again: Diagnostic Mode Is there really no easier way to switch from regular mode to Safe mode or the other way around,, except by fully logging into windows, then using MSCONFIG, changing it and restarting windows? Seems to me there should be a way to choose at the start, and with prior versions, if I had a crash, the next time windows started it gave me the choise of normal startup, safe mode, save mode with internet, cmd screen, etc. Now it just lets me start again Also, I set msconfig for Diagnostic Startup, because it was placed between Full and Selective and diagnosis seemed like a good thing but after restart it was in Safe mode anyhow!! I have only used MSCONFIG to switch to Safe Mode to test something. I never use this frequently. KenW It has been some time since I needed to do it but at that time I was able to get to the safe mode https://www.hellotech.com/guide/for/...ode-windows-10 |
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Switching from Safe to Normal mode and back again. DiagnosticMode
knuttle wrote:
On 6/29/2020 3:17 PM, KenW wrote: On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 18:20:53 +0300, micky wrote: Switching from Safe to Normal mode and back again: Diagnostic Mode Is there really no easier way to switch from regular mode to Safe mode or the other way around,, except by fully logging into windows, then using MSCONFIG, changing it and restarting windows? Seems to me there should be a way to choose at the start, and with prior versions, if I had a crash, the next time windows started it gave me the choise of normal startup, safe mode, save mode with internet, cmd screen, etc. Now it just lets me start again Also, I set msconfig for Diagnostic Startup, because it was placed between Full and Selective and diagnosis seemed like a good thing but after restart it was in Safe mode anyhow!! I have only used MSCONFIG to switch to Safe Mode to test something. I never use this frequently. KenW It has been some time since I needed to do it but at that time I was able to get to the safe mode https://www.hellotech.com/guide/for/...ode-windows-10 This is what my notes say, regarding the black boot menu window with the F8 option for Windows 10. ******* F8 boot menu for Windows 10: dir /AH C:\boot\BCD # verify it is there. bcdedit /store C:\boot\BCD /set {bootmgr} displaybootmenu True ******* That's obviously an emergency repair, done from an installer DVD booted up and using the COmmand Prompt in the Troubleshooting section. The command is an offline command, pointed at a specific boot materials on a Windows 10 setup. Using some of the terms from the command, I can give a link where someone explains it better. https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...dows-10-a.html Paul |
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Switching from Safe to Normal mode and back again. Diagnostic Mode
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 29 Jun 2020 16:56:11 -0400, Paul
wrote: knuttle wrote: On 6/29/2020 3:17 PM, KenW wrote: On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 18:20:53 +0300, micky wrote: Switching from Safe to Normal mode and back again: Diagnostic Mode Is there really no easier way to switch from regular mode to Safe mode or the other way around,, except by fully logging into windows, then using MSCONFIG, changing it and restarting windows? Seems to me there should be a way to choose at the start, and with prior versions, if I had a crash, the next time windows started it gave me the choise of normal startup, safe mode, save mode with internet, cmd screen, etc. Now it just lets me start again Also, I set msconfig for Diagnostic Startup, because it was placed between Full and Selective and diagnosis seemed like a good thing but after restart it was in Safe mode anyhow!! I have only used MSCONFIG to switch to Safe Mode to test something. I never use this frequently. KenW It has been some time since I needed to do it but at that time I was able to get to the safe mode https://www.hellotech.com/guide/for/...ode-windows-10 This is what my notes say, regarding the black boot menu window with the F8 option for Windows 10. ******* F8 boot menu for Windows 10: dir /AH C:\boot\BCD # verify it is there. Not there. bcdedit /store C:\boot\BCD /set {bootmgr} displaybootmenu True Iirc, this wasn't there either, but.... ******* That's obviously an emergency repair, done from an installer DVD booted up and using the COmmand Prompt in the Troubleshooting section. The command is an offline command, pointed at a specific boot materials on a Windows 10 setup. Using some of the terms from the command, I can give a link where someone explains it better. https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...dows-10-a.html This explained it j ust fine and it worked with only two steps, 3 if you count disabling fast boot. Thank you so much. How do you know all these things?. I googled and didn't find anything. Rather, I found statemnts that F8 was gone from win10, or that some manufacturers disabled it, or that shift F8 might work (it didn't.) But it's not gone, it's just not the default. And why shouldn't it be the default. It woudn't show up unles someone pressed F8 and it's watching for keystrokes anyhow. I would give the two steps but even my laptop is a problem and I can't reload that page. This doesn't solve my problems, doesn't find the bad driver if that's it, but at least it saves time. I don't rmemeber non-fast boot taking so long but I can set it back later. Paul |
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Switching from Safe to Normal mode and back again. DiagnosticMode
micky wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 29 Jun 2020 16:56:11 -0400, Paul wrote: https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...dows-10-a.html This explained it j ust fine and it worked with only two steps, 3 if you count disabling fast boot. Thank you so much. How do you know all these things?. I googled and didn't find anything. It's all luck. I keep a notes file, but not nearly everything is in it. Sometimes I find some breadcrumbs in there I feed into search. All it takes is a single "right" kind of keyword, to get a lucky result. Search is almost as bad as using a Roulette wheel. Paul |
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Switching from Safe to Normal mode and back again. Diagnostic Mode
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Tue, 30 Jun 2020 21:03:54 -0400, micky
wrote: In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 29 Jun 2020 16:56:11 -0400, Paul wrote: knuttle wrote: On 6/29/2020 3:17 PM, KenW wrote: On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 18:20:53 +0300, micky wrote: Switching from Safe to Normal mode and back again: Diagnostic Mode Is there really no easier way to switch from regular mode to Safe mode or the other way around,, except by fully logging into windows, then using MSCONFIG, changing it and restarting windows? Seems to me there should be a way to choose at the start, and with prior versions, if I had a crash, the next time windows started it gave me the choise of normal startup, safe mode, save mode with internet, cmd screen, etc. Now it just lets me start again Also, I set msconfig for Diagnostic Startup, because it was placed between Full and Selective and diagnosis seemed like a good thing but after restart it was in Safe mode anyhow!! I have only used MSCONFIG to switch to Safe Mode to test something. I never use this frequently. KenW It has been some time since I needed to do it but at that time I was able to get to the safe mode https://www.hellotech.com/guide/for/...ode-windows-10 This is what my notes say, regarding the black boot menu window with the F8 option for Windows 10. ******* F8 boot menu for Windows 10: dir /AH C:\boot\BCD # verify it is there. Not there. bcdedit /store C:\boot\BCD /set {bootmgr} displaybootmenu True Iirc, this wasn't there either, but.... ******* That's obviously an emergency repair, done from an installer DVD booted up and using the COmmand Prompt in the Troubleshooting section. The command is an offline command, pointed at a specific boot materials on a Windows 10 setup. Using some of the terms from the command, I can give a link where someone explains it better. https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...dows-10-a.html This explained it j ust fine and it worked with only two steps, 3 if you count disabling fast boot. Thank you so much. How do you know all these things?. I googled and didn't find anything. Rather, I found statemnts that F8 was gone from win10, or that some manufacturers disabled it, or that shift F8 might work (it didn't.) But it's not gone, it's just not the default. And why shouldn't it be the default. It woudn't show up unles someone pressed F8 and it's watching for keystrokes anyhow. I would give the two steps but even my laptop is a problem and I can't reload that page. Here they are, option 1 of 2, the one I used: Open an elevated command prompt or command prompt at boot. To Enable F8 Advanced Boot Options screen in Windows 10 Type the command below in the command prompt, press Enter, bcdedit /set {bootmgr} displaybootmenu yes It gave a short message about completing normally. That's all it took, except it said to disable fast boot so it did't boot so fast it went past the time for pressing F8. I'm not sure I had to do that. This doesn't solve my problems, doesn't find the bad driver if that's it, but at least it saves time. I don't rmemeber non-fast boot taking so long but I can set it back later. Paul |
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Switching from Safe to Normal mode and back again. Diagnostic Mode
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Wed, 01 Jul 2020 00:22:40 -0400, micky
wrote: In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Tue, 30 Jun 2020 21:03:54 -0400, micky wrote: In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 29 Jun 2020 16:56:11 -0400, Paul wrote: knuttle wrote: On 6/29/2020 3:17 PM, KenW wrote: On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 18:20:53 +0300, micky wrote: Switching from Safe to Normal mode and back again: Diagnostic Mode Is there really no easier way to switch from regular mode to Safe mode or the other way around,, except by fully logging into windows, then using MSCONFIG, changing it and restarting windows? Seems to me there should be a way to choose at the start, and with prior versions, if I had a crash, the next time windows started it gave me the choise of normal startup, safe mode, save mode with internet, cmd screen, etc. Now it just lets me start again Also, I set msconfig for Diagnostic Startup, because it was placed between Full and Selective and diagnosis seemed like a good thing but after restart it was in Safe mode anyhow!! I have only used MSCONFIG to switch to Safe Mode to test something. I never use this frequently. KenW It has been some time since I needed to do it but at that time I was able to get to the safe mode https://www.hellotech.com/guide/for/...ode-windows-10 This is what my notes say, regarding the black boot menu window with the F8 option for Windows 10. ******* F8 boot menu for Windows 10: dir /AH C:\boot\BCD # verify it is there. Not there. bcdedit /store C:\boot\BCD /set {bootmgr} displaybootmenu True Iirc, this wasn't there either, but.... ******* That's obviously an emergency repair, done from an installer DVD booted up and using the COmmand Prompt in the Troubleshooting section. The command is an offline command, pointed at a specific boot materials on a Windows 10 setup. Using some of the terms from the command, I can give a link where someone explains it better. https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...dows-10-a.html This explained it j ust fine and it worked with only two steps, 3 if you count disabling fast boot. Thank you so much. How do you know all these things?. I googled and didn't find anything. Rather, I found statemnts that F8 was gone from win10, or that some manufacturers disabled it, or that shift F8 might work (it didn't.) But it's not gone, it's just not the default. And why shouldn't it be the default. It woudn't show up unles someone pressed F8 and it's watching for keystrokes anyhow. I would give the two steps but even my laptop is a problem and I can't reload that page. Here they are, option 1 of 2, the one I used: Open an elevated command prompt or command prompt at boot. To Enable F8 Advanced Boot Options screen in Windows 10 Type the command below in the command prompt, press Enter, bcdedit /set {bootmgr} displaybootmenu yes It gave a short message about completing normally. That's all it took, except it said to disable fast boot so it did't boot so fast it went past the time for pressing F8. I'm not sure I had to do that. This doesn't solve my problems, doesn't find the bad driver if that's it, but at least it saves time. I don't rmemeber non-fast boot taking so long but I can set it back later. Paul Well, I spoke too soon. Since I did all this, the first time it brought up the startup choice menu (safe mode, with internet, command. etc.) even though I hadn't pressed F8, and thereafter, pressing F8 did nothing. I had been in safe mode, using Anvir to remove most of the startup programs, and I had to go to full startup to see if I removed the right one. I hadn't. It crashed right away and it continues to crash often even before totally loaded, so I can't use msconfig to reset the startup method. I had high hopes for F8, I'll try shift-F8 but I only found one reference to that and Im' not optiomistic. |
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