Toshiba W-7 went dark

In message , Char Jackson
writes:
On Tue, 20 Mar 2018 09:41:18 -0400, Paul wrote:
[]
Next, you copy the link of the thing you want, into a browser
and start downloading.

I would simply like to point out that copying the link and taking it to
a browser is optional. That was a good tip back in the beginning of the
Heidoc period, when we weren't sure what it was generating, but it's no
longer necessary.

After all, the Heidoc executable is called "Windows ISO Downloader", so
hopefully it's obvious to everyone that it can handle the download
natively. Simply click one of the big blue Download buttons.

Paul was also considering the possibility of Pencilman taking the links
- maybe on a pen drive - with him to a public library, and downloading
there, because he only has an 8G limit (presumably per month) at home,
and 2.5 or 3.5 G would eat a big hole in that.

But let's see if he _needs_ a W7 install disc first. (Though I suspect
he is going to.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

.... the greatest musical festival in the world that doesn't involve mud.
- Eddie Mair, RT 2014/8/16-22

In message , HB writes:

"Paul" wrote in message
news
HB wrote:
OK, this is version Fatdog64-702 Dec 2016 as someone here recommended.

Here's the picture I provided, of what I wanted
you to do while you where there.

In a Terminal, smartctl -a /dev/sda

https://s13.postimg.org/cvoc2v64n/Fatdog64.gif

What and where is this to be found? What was I to do with it? It loaded
Linux from the DVD. There was nothing like that on the screen. Was there

There is: you described below "the few icons", so Linux fatdog has
loaded, and got as far as a graphical interface. One of them - in the
taskbar (using the Windows term for it) - will start Terminal, which is
Linux-speak for Command Prompt. It's the one that looks like a little
black rectangle with a white "_" in it. I don't know if you
single-click or double-click on it.

Failing all else, can you post (this means upload somewhere, and tell us
where - you can't attach here) a shot of the screen when Linux has
finished booting, taken with your ancient digital camera? Doesn't matter
if it's a bit blurry, we should be able to figure out what's where.

supposed to be? Or how do I bring up that screen for that information? I
don't know what "Terminal, smartctl -a /dev/sda" is or what it means.

Terminal is what the window is called; smartctl -a /dev/sda (followed by
return) is what you type into it once you've opened it.

Then check your Reallocated raw data, to see if it's
still zero.

There is nothing like that to be seen. It says FATDOG in the center of the
screen with the few icons along the left hand side and bottom. I'm looking
-------------^^^^^^^^^^^^^
at it now. It's running in RAM, not from the HD.
[]
We can't even use that because that info is not there and I don't know how
or where to find it.
[]
What does this have to do with Linux? This looks like a simpler OS than
Windows. There are no graphs like these. I didn't see anything like there
while it was loading. I don't understand.....

No, any more than you'd see them while Windows is loading; you have to
run things to generate them. And Paul was telling you where to get the
things to run. But that's a bit down the line: if we're going to go the
Linux route, let's just get a terminal up, and run smartctl (which
apparently is included in fatdog Linux) in it first, to see if there's
any point in continuing to work with this hard drive.
[]
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"Bother,"saidPoohwhenhisspacebarrefusedtowork.

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
But let's see if he _needs_ a W7 install disc first. (Though I suspect
he is going to.)

If we find out that the drive is operational, that Tosh has a recovery
partition.

The User's Guide .pdf from a Tosh link for his LT provided earlier has
instructions for how to set Tosh's wizard in motion.

Satellite C655D-S5063
https://support.toshiba.com/support/...743964&osId=31

User's Guide for Satellite C640/C650 Series

p.61 - Recovering to out-of-box state (recommended recovery method)

- connect to power source
- computer turned off
- turn on computer while holding the 0 (zero) key
- Tosh Recovery Wizard warning screen
- may have option to choose between 32 & 64 bit Win7

--
Mike Easter

On 20/03/2018 18:35, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
Yes, there is some sort of backup facility built into Windows itself;
I'd forgotten about that. However, to reinstall from the image it makes,
you need to be able to boot _something_ if Windows won't boot. It's a
while since I looked at Windows' own imaging system, but I _think_ you
need to both "Create A System Image" (which I presume it does on an
external HD, or a tediously large number of DVDs), AND "Create a Repair
Disc" (which I presume is a DVD), then if the system falls over, you
boot from the Repair Disc, and use that to restore the Image from
wherever you've put it - either to the existing HD if it's just been
corrupted, or to a new HD if the existing one has failed. In other
words, the same idea as Macrium, but Macrium makes it much easier (I
think the Windows one might be a command-mode thing).

Screenshots of W7 Boot-Disc (165MB) with its Propertys on right
Plus, WindowsImageBackup folder with Propertys on right
https://www.dropbox.com/s/cjudpjjnrc...21.19.png?dl=0

In message , Mike Easter
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
But let's see if he _needs_ a W7 install disc first. (Though I
suspect he is going to.)

If we find out that the drive is operational, that Tosh has a recovery
partition.

I was beginning to think it'd not looking good, but ...

The User's Guide .pdf from a Tosh link for his LT provided earlier has
instructions for how to set Tosh's wizard in motion.

Satellite C655D-S5063
https://support.toshiba.com/support/...743964&osId=31

User's Guide for Satellite C640/C650 Series

p.61 - Recovering to out-of-box state (recommended recovery method)

- connect to power source
- computer turned off
- turn on computer while holding the 0 (zero) key
- Tosh Recovery Wizard warning screen
- may have option to choose between 32 & 64 bit Win7

.... that sounds well worth trying: I've never heard of the zero key
being the one! You live and learn. (Holding _while turning on_ I learnt
within the last week or two - I also have a Tosh laptop (a Portégé), and
you have to turn on _while_ holding F12 to get into the BIOS.)

If the above does work, and we can get him back into Windows that way,
it sounds the simplest of all: we can then test the HD more thoroughly,
e. g. with HDTune, to decide whether it might still be a good idea to
replace it.

(If it _doesn't_ work, it still doesn't mean the HD is _necessarily_ dud
- could just be the partition table has got corrupted, or something.
Which we _might_ be able to deduce from Linux - though the "we" wouldn't
include me.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"Bother,"saidPoohwhenhisspacebarrefusedtowork.

In message , Patrick
writes:
On 20/03/2018 18:35, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
Yes, there is some sort of backup facility built into Windows itself;
I'd forgotten about that. However, to reinstall from the image it
makes, you need to be able to boot _something_ if Windows won't boot.
It's a while since I looked at Windows' own imaging system, but I
_think_ you need to both "Create A System Image" (which I presume it
does on an external HD, or a tediously large number of DVDs), AND
"Create a Repair Disc" (which I presume is a DVD), then if the system
falls over, you boot from the Repair Disc, and use that to restore
the Image from wherever you've put it - either to the existing HD if
it's just been corrupted, or to a new HD if the existing one has
failed. In other words, the same idea as Macrium, but Macrium makes
it much easier (I think the Windows one might be a command-mode thing).

Screenshots of W7 Boot-Disc (165MB) with its Propertys on right
Plus, WindowsImageBackup folder with Propertys on right
https://www.dropbox.com/s/cjudpjjnrc...8-03-20%2019.2
1.19.png?dl=0

In two browsers, I'm only seeing a thumbnail (I can't read any of the
text), although the "loading" circle is still going round after about
three minutes in Chrome.

What were you telling us? 165MB would fit on a CD (even a mini-one),
which is good. Is the WindowsImageBackup folder on an external disc that
could be accessed from a system booted from the Boot-Disc? (Is it a
folder or a single file?)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"Bother,"saidPoohwhenhisspacebarrefusedtowork.

On 20/03/2018 18:44, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
But let's see if he _needs_ a W7 install disc first. (Though I suspect
he is going to.)


If anybodys interested,
I can't vouch for its integrity, but I got myself a Copy of W7 Home
Premium from here;

https://softlay.net/operating-system...32-64-bit.html


I have put a copy on Dropbox here;

https://www.dropbox.com/s/81yccsh9x4...4_dvd.iso?dl=0

On 20/03/2018 19:47, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In two browsers, I'm only seeing a thumbnail (I can't read any of the
text), although the "loading" circle is still going round after about
three minutes in Chrome.
I,m using Firefox but try tinyurl;
https://tinyurl.com/ydy35clx

What were you telling us? 165MB would fit on a CD (even a mini-one),
which is good.
Yes, that is correct.
BTW, I should have said W7 Recovery Dsc, rather than W7 Bootdisc

Is the WindowsImageBackup folder on an external disc that
could be accessed from a system booted from the Boot-Disc? (Is it a
folder or a single file?)

It asks for a location drive, creates a Folder called
"WindowsImageBackup" "Windows7-64bit" (which is the name of my C:/
drive) and three sub folders to that.

It should be noted that when exploring here, the property will say 0
byte, but if you try to Explore the folder/s, Windows will tell you that
you don't have access rights, click OK and then it allows you access to
explore, same thing on each SubFolder. When you have finished exploring,
you can then look at propertys again and it will showw its real size
(52.7GB in this instance).

In message , Patrick
writes:
On 20/03/2018 18:44, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
But let's see if he _needs_ a W7 install disc first. (Though I
suspect he is going to.)


If anybodys interested,
I can't vouch for its integrity, but I got myself a Copy of W7 Home
Premium from here;

https://softlay.net/operating-system...l-full-version
-free-download-iso-32-64-bit.html

That filename suggests it's the professional version ...

I have put a copy on Dropbox here;

https://www.dropbox.com/s/81yccsh9x4...e_premium_x64_
dvd.iso?dl=0

.... and that filename suggests it's the home premium one (-:
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Know what happens when you don't pay your exorcist?
You get repossessed!
- Randle Brashear, 2015-8-9

On Tue, 20 Mar 2018 18:44:49 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , Char Jackson
writes:
On Tue, 20 Mar 2018 09:41:18 -0400, Paul wrote:
[]
Next, you copy the link of the thing you want, into a browser
and start downloading.

I would simply like to point out that copying the link and taking it to
a browser is optional. That was a good tip back in the beginning of the
Heidoc period, when we weren't sure what it was generating, but it's no
longer necessary.

After all, the Heidoc executable is called "Windows ISO Downloader", so
hopefully it's obvious to everyone that it can handle the download
natively. Simply click one of the big blue Download buttons.

Paul was also considering the possibility of Pencilman taking the links
- maybe on a pen drive - with him to a public library, and downloading
there, because he only has an 8G limit (presumably per month) at home,
and 2.5 or 3.5 G would eat a big hole in that.

Yes, I know, but Paul consistently gives the advice to move to a browser
every time Heidoc comes up. I was getting the feeling that he either
hadn't seen the big blue Download buttons or he didn't know what they
were for. It turns out that he's concerned about coin mining. That
doesn't particularly bother me since an ISO download only takes a minute
or two but it may bother others. Considering what the program can offer,
I don't mind 90 seconds of cpu time.

--

Char Jackson

On 20/03/2018 20:26, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Patrick
writes:
On 20/03/2018 18:44, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
But let's see if he _needs_ a W7 install disc first. (Though I
suspectÂ* he is going to.)


If anybodys interested,
I can't vouch for its integrity, but I got myself a Copy of W7 Home
Premium from here;

https://softlay.net/operating-system...32-64-bit.html

That filename suggests it's the professional version ...

Right hand column, after the advert, seventh item down
I use Pro verson, so only had that URL but it had the required item
(which HB apparently has on his good PC and Toshiba) should we be wanting it


I have put a copy on Dropbox here;

https://www.dropbox.com/s/81yccsh9x4...e_premium_x64_
dvd.iso?dl=0

... and that filename suggests it's the home premium one (-:

It is.

In message , Patrick
writes:
On 20/03/2018 19:47, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In two browsers, I'm only seeing a thumbnail (I can't read any of the
text), although the "loading" circle is still going round after about
three minutes in Chrome.
I,m using Firefox but try tinyurl;
https://tinyurl.com/ydy35clx

Same effect - tiny image in Firefox, not much bigger in Chrome. When I
clicked reload a few times in Firefox, I think I might have seen it
flash full screen briefly once. I'm not surprised - View Source shows
it's huge! (The page, not the image!) But never mind.

What were you telling us? 165MB would fit on a CD (even a mini-one),
which is good.
Yes, that is correct.
BTW, I should have said W7 Recovery Dsc, rather than W7 Bootdisc

Though I presume it _is_ bootable.

Is the WindowsImageBackup folder on an external disc that
could be accessed from a system booted from the Boot-Disc? (Is it a
folder or a single file?)

It asks for a location drive, creates a Folder called
"WindowsImageBackup" "Windows7-64bit" (which is the name of my C:/
drive) and three sub folders to that.

It should be noted that when exploring here, the property will say 0
byte, but if you try to Explore the folder/s, Windows will tell you
that you don't have access rights, click OK and then it allows you
access to explore, same thing on each SubFolder. When you have finished
exploring, you can then look at propertys again and it will showw its
real size (52.7GB in this instance).

I take it they _are_ on an external drive, and that it's one that is
accessible if you've booted from the "Recovery Disc".

Does the recovery disc have the ability to repair some boot errors,
_without_ a previously-made image?
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Know what happens when you don't pay your exorcist?
You get repossessed!
- Randle Brashear, 2015-8-9

In message , Char Jackson
writes:
[]
Yes, I know, but Paul consistently gives the advice to move to a browser
every time Heidoc comes up. I was getting the feeling that he either
hadn't seen the big blue Download buttons or he didn't know what they
were for. It turns out that he's concerned about coin mining. That
doesn't particularly bother me since an ISO download only takes a minute
or two but it may bother others. Considering what the program can offer,
I don't mind 90 seconds of cpu time.

You can download 4.x GB in 90 seconds! We're not all that lucky ... (-:

(Given that the Heidoc provides a useful service, I don't mind either,
even though it would take me longer than 90 seconds, provided it doesn't
impact the download time significantly.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"He who will not reason is a bigot;
he who cannot is a fool;
he who dares not is a slave."
- Sir William Drummond

Above all things, use your mind.
Don't be that bigot, fool, or slave.

On 20/03/2018 20:43, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Patrick
writes:
On 20/03/2018 19:47, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In two browsers, I'm only seeing a thumbnail (I can't read any of the
text), although the "loading" circle is still going round after about
three minutes in Chrome.
I,m using Firefox but try tinyurl;
https://tinyurl.com/ydy35clx

Same effect - tiny image in Firefox, not much bigger in Chrome. When I
clicked reload a few times in Firefox, I think I might have seen it
flash full screen briefly once. I'm not surprised - View Source shows
it's huge! (The page, not the image!) But never mind.

Â*What were you telling us? 165MB would fit on a CD (even a mini-one),
which is good.
Yes, that is correct.
BTW, I should have said W7 Recovery Dsc, rather than W7 Bootdisc

Though I presume it _is_ bootable.
Yes.


Is the WindowsImageBackup folder on an external disc that
could be accessed from a system booted from the Boot-Disc? (Is it a
folder or a single file?)

It asks for a location drive, creates a Folder called
"WindowsImageBackup" "Windows7-64bit" (which is the name of my C:/
drive) and three sub folders to that.

It should be noted that when exploring here, the property will say 0
byte, but if you try to Explore the folder/s, Windows will tell you
that you don't have access rights, click OK and then it allows you
access to explore, same thing on each SubFolder. When you have
finished exploring, you can then look at propertys again and it will
showw its real size (52.7GB in this instance).

I take it they _are_ on an external drive, and that it's one that is
accessible if you've booted from the "Recovery Disc".
Yes, a cobbled together USB 3.5" HDD using old PSU for power

Does the recovery disc have the ability to repair some boot errors,
_without_ a previously-made image?
Yes, on Boot asks for location for Keyboard, then scans machine looking
for OS's, Options for recovery (Restore Points, Backups on other drives,
etc,.

In message , Patrick
writes:
On 20/03/2018 20:26, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Patrick
writes:
On 20/03/2018 18:44, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
But let's see if he _needs_ a W7 install disc first. (Though I
suspect* he is going to.)


If anybodys interested,
I can't vouch for its integrity, but I got myself a Copy of W7 Home
Premium from here;

https://softlay.net/operating-system...essional-full-
version-free-download-iso-32-64-bit.html

That filename suggests it's the professional version ...

Right hand column, after the advert, seventh item down
I use Pro verson, so only had that URL but it had the required item
(which HB apparently has on his good PC and Toshiba) should we be
wanting it

I just trimmed the above URL back to ...system/ and saw all the choices.


I have put a copy on Dropbox here;

https://www.dropbox.com/s/81yccsh9x4...e_premium_x64_
dvd.iso?dl=0
... and that filename suggests it's the home premium one (-:

It is.

I rather like the one that has all 6 (12 if you count both bitnesses)
versions. In fact, since you still need a valid key to activate, I can't
see any reason not to get that one, unless download time/total is very
significant. (Or don't keys work like that with the 12-version one?)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"He who will not reason is a bigot;
he who cannot is a fool;
he who dares not is a slave."
- Sir William Drummond

Above all things, use your mind.
Don't be that bigot, fool, or slave.