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  #106  
Old January 9th 19, 06:45 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Tue, 08 Jan 2019 17:19:45 -0000, Mark Lloyd wrote:

On 1/7/19 7:55 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:

[snip]

I didn't know much about
internet access and browsers. I had Compuserve (I actually had a way to
determine if it had any local phone numbers then)


What do you mean by the bit in brackets?

In the eighties, I belonged to a Commodore home computer user group. In
one of their newsletters, there was an article on some free things you
could do with your modem. There was a toll-free number to connect to
Telenet (one of the dial-up services you could use to access Compuserve)
and find out if there were any local numbers for Compuserve. I live in a
small enough town, there were no local numbers here, until 1995 when the
phone company extended the local calling area. Compuserve was the only
online service I knew how to check accessibility for without signing up
first.

I had a 28.8Kbps modem that worked fine on bulletin boards, but was
erratic with Windows, Making the Compuserve experience even worse.


In the 90s in the UK, BT (the main phone company) introduced freephone numbers to dial with a modem. It didn't take them long to realise we were costing them money by dialling two at once, linking two modems together, and getting a 24/7 100kbps connection. Then they tried to claim that the word "anytime" (the name of their service) didn't actually mean anytime you liked, only some of it. Redefining an English word put a lot of customers off and we left them in droves.
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  #107  
Old January 9th 19, 06:46 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Tue, 08 Jan 2019 19:16:42 -0000, Wolf K wrote:

On 2019-01-08 12:19, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 1/7/19 7:55 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:

[snip]

I didn't know much about
internet access and browsers. I had Compuserve (I actually had a way to
determine if it had any local phone numbers then)

What do you mean by the bit in brackets?

In the eighties, I belonged to a Commodore home computer user group. In
one of their newsletters, there was an article on some free things you
could do with your modem. There was a toll-free number to connect to
Telenet (one of the dial-up services you could use to access Compuserve)
and find out if there were any local numbers for Compuserve. I live in a
small enough town, there were no local numbers here, until 1995 when the
phone company extended the local calling area. Compuserve was the only
online service I knew how to check accessibility for without signing up
first.

I had a 28.8Kbps modem that worked fine on bulletin boards, but was
erratic with Windows, Making the Compuserve experience even worse.


My service provided the same facility. I d/l the list, printed it out in
8pt font-size, and carried it with me when travelling. :-)


8pt so nobody could read it over your shoulder?
  #108  
Old January 9th 19, 07:48 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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David B. wrote:
On 09/01/2019 15:57, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
Paul wrote:
Jonathan N. Little wrote:

Your system *injected* the code.

If you look at headers, he spends most of
his time on a Mac, so you'd be looking for
an *Apple* inspired injection mechanism.


Such "security" snakeoil is not confined to Windows. Whatever the code
is not on the site.


Silly question then - why has the site been blocked to 'tools' which
scour websites for 'information' - just 'sour grapes' perhaps?

I'm easily confused, I don't deny that! ;-)


Whatever you're currently doing, why don't you
use "Save As" "Web Page Complete", then drag and
drop the various web site files you find in your
Download area, onto a Text Editor ?

This will show you the contents of the web site, as
delivered in a set of files.

If you're seeing some text on the website, use your
Windows Search to find the file that has matching
text. Any additional text you don't find in the
file, could well be injected somehow.

This method doesn't cover all possible web site design
methods, but will help you with the simpler ones.

Paul
  #109  
Old January 9th 19, 08:16 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Wed, 09 Jan 2019 17:50:01 -0000, Wolf K wrote:

On 2019-01-09 12:46, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2019 19:16:42 -0000, Wolf K wrote:

On 2019-01-08 12:19, Mark Lloyd wrote:

[...]
I had a 28.8Kbps modem that worked fine on bulletin boards, but was
erratic with Windows, Making the Compuserve experience even worse.


My service provided the same facility. I d/l the list, printed it out in
8pt font-size, and carried it with me when travelling. :-)


8pt so nobody could read it over your shoulder?


So it would fit in my wallet.


Ah, you must be a Scotsman with a small wallet.
  #110  
Old January 9th 19, 09:12 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 09/01/2019 15:39, Paul wrote:
Jonathan N. Little wrote:

Your system *injected* the code.


If you look at headers, he spends most of
his time on a Mac, so you'd be looking for
an *Apple* inspired injection mechanism.


You are correct, Paul - but I'm posting THIS message from my Windows10
machine.

I'm now updated to Version 1809 (OS Build 17763.253)

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  #111  
Old January 9th 19, 10:43 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Tue, 08 Jan 2019 22:12:22 -0000, Ken Blake wrote:

On Tue, 08 Jan 2019 19:51:15 -0000, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

On Sat, 05 Jan 2019 14:57:31 -0000, Ken Blake wrote:

On Sat, 05 Jan 2019 01:55:16 -0000, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

On Sat, 05 Jan 2019 00:02:34 -0000, Ken Blake wrote:

On Fri, 04 Jan 2019 23:45:14 -0000, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

On Fri, 04 Jan 2019 21:00:01 -0000, notX wrote:

On 1/4/19 10:45 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 1/4/2019 10:30 AM, wrote:
I'm staying happily with 7 .

I occasionally ask for one good reason to go to 10 and nobody has
given one. Lots of good reasons NOT to go to 10 !

Name one good reason for staying with W-7 which is obsolete!

It's not Win 8 or Win 10.

Just like DOS, Internet explorer, Lotus, dBase, and other software that
has come and gone in the last 40 years

Internet Explorer "come and gone". I like that.

Just because it's now called Edge doesn't mean it's gone. Edge is still here and it still sux. Currently it tells me I have no internet connection, yet every other browser works. WTF? And as per usual with modern fluffy programs that act like a ****ing Apple Mac, all I get is a silly cartoon with a confused looking alien saying no internet. What about some ****ing technical information so I can fix the problem?!?

It is *not* now called Edge. Internet Explorer and Edge are two
different browsers, and *both* of them come with Windows 10.

So you get the old and the new version, so what, it doesn't change what I just said.


Say something wrong, get corrected, and say "it doesn't change what I
just said." That's a great way to lose the respect of everyone here.

And it's not "the old and the new version." They are two *different*
browsers.


No, they changed the name.



There are certainly similarities, but there are significant
differences, too. As far as I'm concerned, it's much more than
changing the name.


Just like Windows Live Mail and Outlook Express.



No, to me it's not at all like that. With Outlook Express and Windows
Live Mail, one replaced the other, and Windows Live Mail is almost
like a newer version of Outlook Express. With Edge and IE, one is not
a replacement for the other (at least not yet). They continue to live
simultaneously and their differences are much greater than those
between Outlook Express and Windows Live Mail.



Of course they'll be a bit different, but so are two versions of IE.



Yes, there are similarities between Edge and IE 11, but the
differences are much greater than between two versions of IE. In my
opinion IE 11 isn't great, but it's much better than Edge.


All this is philosophical and irrelevant.

They're both the same **** made my Microsoft.



I wouldn't say it like that, but as I said (quoted below) I agree,


It's some legal bull**** because they weren't allowed to have edge as the default browser or something.


Again, not correct. Despite their both coming with Windows 10, Edge
*is* the default browser.


No it isn't. I've always had Internet Explorer given to me as the default, which then immediately asks me if I'd like to try out Edge. I assumed that was more legal bull****.



You are wrong. Unless you configure Windows 10 differently, Edge *is*
the default browser.


I know what I saw on several machines both with fresh Windows 10 installs and upgrades from 7 and 8. The first time you try to open a browser in any way whatsoever, you get IE. Which opens a page saying "try out this great new Edge!"

Since Edge is the default, there are a very number of Windows 10 users
(maybe most of them, including you) who don't even realize that IE
comes with Windows 10.


But it isn't the default. Not on the Windows 10 I used. It may of course be possible that we're both right, depending on which version of Windows 10 we installed. They might have changed their policy on it, or they might have been forced to do so by law. Quite why the law interferes with something as trivial as browsers is beyond comprehension. I'll place my bet on the EU having something to do with it - after all they made those unbelievably stupidly annoying banners asking for permission to use cookies. The banners which are 10 times as annoying as the cookies they're "warning" you about.

I'm not a fan of Internet Explorer, but as far as I'm concerned, it's
much better than Edge, which to me is about the worst browser
available.

They both suck.



Yes, I agree.


They're both full of security holes.


Not in my experience.


Like Outlook Express, they love to run code they shouldn't.

They both stop working for no reason.


Not in my experience, although admittedly I've used both so seldom
that I can't be sure. However my wife uses Edge (don't ask me why; I
have idea) and as far as I know, has *never* experienced that.


I just tried Edge on a site that Opera was upset with (Eurocarparts - the menu at the bottom of the screen covers the part I'm trying to buy). Edge claimed I have no internet connection, yet everything else works fine!!



That's *your* experience. I've never encountered that, and none of the
many other Edge users I know and support have either.


I've experienced many similar things with Microsoft software just not working, quite often getting confused with internet connections. It was a lot worse in earlier versions of Windows.

And by the way, since you didn't know that Internet Explorer 11 came
with Windows 10, you never ran it. And since you never ran it, your
three "both" statements above are nonsense. You couldn't know that if
you hadn't run it.


Who said I didn't run it?


*You* said it. Here's a quote from an earlier message in this thread:


Just like DOS, Internet explorer, Lotus, dBase, and other software that
has come and gone in the last 40 years

Internet Explorer "come and gone". I like that.

Just because it's now called Edge doesn't mean it's gone.



That last sentence was by you. If you thought Internet Explorer was
now called Edge, you obviously didn't know that Internet Explorer was
a separate program from Edge, didn't know it came with Windows 10, and
you had never run it.


What utter bull**** you talk. I have told you countless times that when I installed Windows 10 I was given IE, which offered the installation of Edge (I actually had to download it!!!)

I had to, so it would give me Edge.


You had to run IE so you could download Edge? Your ignorance is
showing blatantly again. Edge comes with Windows 10, as I've said here
several times.


Except it didn't on my Windows 10. Instead of childishly calling me blatantly ignorant, try thinking. Perhaps Windows 10 comes in more than one version. Oh wait, we both know it does. There's Home, Pro, etc, etc, then they keep altering it with each service pack and update.
  #112  
Old January 9th 19, 11:20 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , Commander Kinsey
wrote:

That last sentence was by you. If you thought Internet Explorer was
now called Edge, you obviously didn't know that Internet Explorer was
a separate program from Edge, didn't know it came with Windows 10, and
you had never run it.


What utter bull**** you talk. I have told you countless times that when I
installed Windows 10 I was given IE, which offered the installation of Edge
(I actually had to download it!!!)


bull****.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Edge#Features
Microsoft Edge is the default web browser on Windows 10, Windows 10
Mobile, and Xbox One consoles, replacing Internet Explorer 11 and
Internet Explorer Mobile.

I had to, so it would give me Edge.


You had to run IE so you could download Edge? Your ignorance is
showing blatantly again. Edge comes with Windows 10, as I've said here
several times.


Except it didn't on my Windows 10. Instead of childishly calling me
blatantly ignorant, try thinking. Perhaps Windows 10 comes in more
than one version. Oh wait, we both know it does. There's Home, Pro,
etc, etc, then they keep altering it with each service pack and update.


irrelevant.
  #113  
Old January 9th 19, 11:34 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 09/01/2019 18:48, Paul wrote:
David B. wrote:
On 09/01/2019 15:57, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
Paul wrote:
Jonathan N. Little wrote:

Your system *injected* the code.

If you look at headers, he spends most of
his time on a Mac, so you'd be looking for
an *Apple* inspired injection mechanism.


Such "security" snakeoil is not confined to Windows. Whatever the code
is not on the site.


Silly question then - why has the site been blocked to 'tools' which
scour websites for 'information' - just 'sour grapes' perhaps?

I'm easily confused, I don't deny that! ;-)


Whatever you're currently doing, why don't you
use "Save As" "Web Page Complete", then drag and
drop the various web site files you find in your
Download area, onto a Text Editor ?

This will show you the contents of the web site, as
delivered in a set of files.

If you're seeing some text on the website, use your
Windows Search to find the file that has matching
text. Any additional text you don't find in the
file, could well be injected somehow.

This method doesn't cover all possible web site design
methods, but will help you with the simpler ones.


Thank you for responding, Paul. I'm trying to understand what you are
endeavouring to explain but I think I'm missing something. :-(
I'll have a look again in the morning when I'm not so tired.

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currently has a moz rank of 1/10. tekrider.net possibly receives an
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  #114  
Old January 9th 19, 11:53 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Commander Kinsey wrote:


What utter bull**** you talk. I have told you countless times that when
I installed Windows 10 I was given IE, which offered the installation of
Edge (I actually had to download it!!!)


Were you using Windows 10 N ?

There are various SKUs with either browser absent or multimedia
absent, for European usage.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_10_editions

"Variations

As with previous versions of Windows since XP, all Windows 10
editions for PC hardware have "N" and "KN" variations in Europe
and South Korea that exclude certain bundled multimedia functionality,
including media players and related components, in order to comply
with antitrust rulings. The "Media Feature Pack" can be installed
to restore these features."

So first you check whether there's actually a version that
doesn't have it.

The Enterprise should not have MSEdge, as the "stable" Windows image
at first was not supposed to include "unstable" crap :-) Ya gotta love
business customers with a sense of humor. Who knows, maybe the
Military version of Windows 10 is missing it too.

*******

There is an example of someone not seeing MSEdge here.

https://superuser.com/questions/9492...0-edge-browser

At one time, this could be caused by a damaged tile cache, but
normally there would be more damage than just MSEdge not showing up.
Such damage could happen on a *fresh* install, not even an upgrade
install, implying a software race condition or something that
is randomly cropping up. This behavior has disappeared in the
last few versions of Windows 10.

I managed to remove MSEdge once, but it wasn't really removed. What
you see is a "space" on the Task Bar where the icon should go. If
you "click" the space, Edge starts anyway. So all that my
removal command did, was remove the icon for it.

If you find a MicrosoftEdge.exe file, that is *not* an executable.
Apps need to be "launched" not executed, and running the EXE
(I tried this), yields a "no-op" response. There's no error message,
just nothing happens. There is a whole ceremony about messing
around with this stuff (making shortcut icons via the Apps Folder),
which still isn't a solution as such. Explorer apparently has
a "shell:" option for launching, but it takes a whole
line-o-text to make it work.

It's possible MSEdge was sitting there the whole time,
but was too bashful to come out of hiding. As it's designed
to resist removal. First you have to flip the "isInbox" bit
in the sqlite database, and even after that, the normal
removal method doesn't/can't remove it entirely. There
will always be some portion of it sticking around. That's
why I doubt it was really gone, and it was being bashful
and hiding out... Repairing it, would of course put back
the one or two damaged or missing files.

When making a claim like that, you'd first try to locate
the MSEdge folder.

Then, you might try the AppFolder method of coaxing it out
of hiding.

https://www.thurrott.com/windows/win...universal-apps

If the only place you can find references to it is in
WinSXS, then you might try reinstalling it.

Paul
  #115  
Old January 10th 19, 01:06 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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David B. wrote:

The website tekrider.net is expected to be earning an estimated $0 USD
on a daily basis. If tekrider.net was to be sold it would possibly only be
worth $10 USD (the typical cost of the registration fee for the domain
name). According to our moz rank analysis, the url tekrider.net
currently has a moz rank of 1/10. tekrider.net possibly receives an
estimated 0 unique visitors every day - this website is not very
popular. This report was last updated 10th January 2019.


I'm afraid they know absolutely nothing about the site.
How sad.

https://www.quora.com/What-is-Moz-How-does-it-work

"MozRank quantifies link popularity and is Moz’s version
of Google’s classic PageRank algorithm.

Pages earn MozRank based on

the other pages on the web that link to them ===

and the MozRank of those linking pages
"

Linking to a page, doesn't say *anything at all* about
how often a page is loaded or visited.

Only a *tracking beacon* placed on a web page
can measure such activity. The web site owner places
tracking beacons, if the web site owner needs information
about the popularity of a web site.

A second invention is the "Hit Counter", which a person
coding a web page can implement. As a means of "impressing"
visitors once they get there.

In other words, only if a web site owner installs
a measurement system, do you get an actual measure.
MozRank is perfectly useless!!! It's like a hood
ornament on an Edsel.

Paul
  #116  
Old January 10th 19, 01:55 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Wed, 09 Jan 2019 22:53:33 -0000, Paul wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:


What utter bull**** you talk. I have told you countless times that when
I installed Windows 10 I was given IE, which offered the installation of
Edge (I actually had to download it!!!)


Were you using Windows 10 N ?


No. It was a free upgrade from 8.1 on one machine, and 7 on the other machines.

There are various SKUs with either browser absent or multimedia
absent, for European usage.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_10_editions

"Variations

As with previous versions of Windows since XP, all Windows 10
editions for PC hardware have "N" and "KN" variations in Europe
and South Korea that exclude certain bundled multimedia functionality,
including media players and related components, in order to comply
with antitrust rulings. The "Media Feature Pack" can be installed
to restore these features."

So first you check whether there's actually a version that
doesn't have it.

The Enterprise should not have MSEdge, as the "stable" Windows image
at first was not supposed to include "unstable" crap :-) Ya gotta love
business customers with a sense of humor. Who knows, maybe the
Military version of Windows 10 is missing it too.


Don't the military tend to use about 3 versions of Windows behind everyone else, so they can check for security flaws first? Like Microsoft spying on them?

*******

There is an example of someone not seeing MSEdge here.

https://superuser.com/questions/9492...0-edge-browser

At one time, this could be caused by a damaged tile cache, but
normally there would be more damage than just MSEdge not showing up.
Such damage could happen on a *fresh* install, not even an upgrade
install, implying a software race condition or something that
is randomly cropping up. This behavior has disappeared in the
last few versions of Windows 10.

I managed to remove MSEdge once, but it wasn't really removed. What
you see is a "space" on the Task Bar where the icon should go. If
you "click" the space, Edge starts anyway. So all that my
removal command did, was remove the icon for it.

If you find a MicrosoftEdge.exe file, that is *not* an executable.
Apps need to be "launched" not executed, and running the EXE
(I tried this), yields a "no-op" response. There's no error message,
just nothing happens. There is a whole ceremony about messing
around with this stuff (making shortcut icons via the Apps Folder),
which still isn't a solution as such. Explorer apparently has
a "shell:" option for launching, but it takes a whole
line-o-text to make it work.


My brain is filled with distrust when M$ make programs work in peculiar ways like that.

It's possible MSEdge was sitting there the whole time,
but was too bashful to come out of hiding. As it's designed
to resist removal. First you have to flip the "isInbox" bit
in the sqlite database, and even after that, the normal
removal method doesn't/can't remove it entirely.


Why remove it? I just won't launch it.

There
will always be some portion of it sticking around. That's
why I doubt it was really gone, and it was being bashful
and hiding out... Repairing it, would of course put back
the one or two damaged or missing files.

When making a claim like that, you'd first try to locate
the MSEdge folder.

Then, you might try the AppFolder method of coaxing it out
of hiding.

https://www.thurrott.com/windows/win...universal-apps

If the only place you can find references to it is in
WinSXS, then you might try reinstalling it.


It's a piece of ****, I'll use real browsers.
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Old January 10th 19, 01:57 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Wed, 09 Jan 2019 21:43:59 -0000, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

On Tue, 08 Jan 2019 22:12:22 -0000, Ken Blake wrote:

On Tue, 08 Jan 2019 19:51:15 -0000, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

On Sat, 05 Jan 2019 14:57:31 -0000, Ken Blake wrote:

On Sat, 05 Jan 2019 01:55:16 -0000, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

On Sat, 05 Jan 2019 00:02:34 -0000, Ken Blake wrote:

On Fri, 04 Jan 2019 23:45:14 -0000, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

On Fri, 04 Jan 2019 21:00:01 -0000, notX wrote:

On 1/4/19 10:45 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 1/4/2019 10:30 AM, wrote:
I'm staying happily with 7 .

I occasionally ask for one good reason to go to 10 and nobody has
given one. Lots of good reasons NOT to go to 10 !

Name one good reason for staying with W-7 which is obsolete!

It's not Win 8 or Win 10.

Just like DOS, Internet explorer, Lotus, dBase, and other software that
has come and gone in the last 40 years

Internet Explorer "come and gone". I like that.

Just because it's now called Edge doesn't mean it's gone. Edge is still here and it still sux. Currently it tells me I have no internet connection, yet every other browser works. WTF? And as per usual with modern fluffy programs that act like a ****ing Apple Mac, all I get is a silly cartoon with a confused looking alien saying no internet. What about some ****ing technical information so I can fix the problem?!?

It is *not* now called Edge. Internet Explorer and Edge are two
different browsers, and *both* of them come with Windows 10.

So you get the old and the new version, so what, it doesn't change what I just said.


Say something wrong, get corrected, and say "it doesn't change what I
just said." That's a great way to lose the respect of everyone here.

And it's not "the old and the new version." They are two *different*
browsers.

No, they changed the name.



There are certainly similarities, but there are significant
differences, too. As far as I'm concerned, it's much more than
changing the name.


Just like Windows Live Mail and Outlook Express.



No, to me it's not at all like that. With Outlook Express and Windows
Live Mail, one replaced the other, and Windows Live Mail is almost
like a newer version of Outlook Express. With Edge and IE, one is not
a replacement for the other (at least not yet). They continue to live
simultaneously and their differences are much greater than those
between Outlook Express and Windows Live Mail.



Of course they'll be a bit different, but so are two versions of IE.



Yes, there are similarities between Edge and IE 11, but the
differences are much greater than between two versions of IE. In my
opinion IE 11 isn't great, but it's much better than Edge.


All this is philosophical and irrelevant.

They're both the same **** made my Microsoft.



I wouldn't say it like that, but as I said (quoted below) I agree,


It's some legal bull**** because they weren't allowed to have edge as the default browser or something.


Again, not correct. Despite their both coming with Windows 10, Edge
*is* the default browser.

No it isn't. I've always had Internet Explorer given to me as the default, which then immediately asks me if I'd like to try out Edge. I assumed that was more legal bull****.



You are wrong. Unless you configure Windows 10 differently, Edge *is*
the default browser.


I know what I saw on several machines both with fresh Windows 10 installs and upgrades from 7 and 8. The first time you try to open a browser in any way whatsoever, you get IE. Which opens a page saying "try out this great new Edge!"

Since Edge is the default, there are a very number of Windows 10 users
(maybe most of them, including you) who don't even realize that IE
comes with Windows 10.


But it isn't the default. Not on the Windows 10 I used. It may of course be possible that we're both right, depending on which version of Windows 10 we installed. They might have changed their policy on it, or they might have been forced to do so by law. Quite why the law interferes with something as trivial as browsers is beyond comprehension. I'll place my bet on the EU having something to do with it - after all they made those unbelievably stupidly annoying banners asking for permission to use cookies. The banners which are 10 times as annoying as the cookies they're "warning" you about.

I'm not a fan of Internet Explorer, but as far as I'm concerned, it's
much better than Edge, which to me is about the worst browser
available.

They both suck.



Yes, I agree.


They're both full of security holes.


Not in my experience.

Like Outlook Express, they love to run code they shouldn't.

They both stop working for no reason.


Not in my experience, although admittedly I've used both so seldom
that I can't be sure. However my wife uses Edge (don't ask me why; I
have idea) and as far as I know, has *never* experienced that.

I just tried Edge on a site that Opera was upset with (Eurocarparts - the menu at the bottom of the screen covers the part I'm trying to buy). Edge claimed I have no internet connection, yet everything else works fine!!



That's *your* experience. I've never encountered that, and none of the
many other Edge users I know and support have either.


I've experienced many similar things with Microsoft software just not working, quite often getting confused with internet connections. It was a lot worse in earlier versions of Windows.

And by the way, since you didn't know that Internet Explorer 11 came
with Windows 10, you never ran it. And since you never ran it, your
three "both" statements above are nonsense. You couldn't know that if
you hadn't run it.

Who said I didn't run it?


*You* said it. Here's a quote from an earlier message in this thread:


Just like DOS, Internet explorer, Lotus, dBase, and other software that
has come and gone in the last 40 years

Internet Explorer "come and gone". I like that.

Just because it's now called Edge doesn't mean it's gone.



That last sentence was by you. If you thought Internet Explorer was
now called Edge, you obviously didn't know that Internet Explorer was
a separate program from Edge, didn't know it came with Windows 10, and
you had never run it.


What utter bull**** you talk. I have told you countless times that when I installed Windows 10 I was given IE, which offered the installation of Edge (I actually had to download it!!!)

I had to, so it would give me Edge.


You had to run IE so you could download Edge? Your ignorance is
showing blatantly again. Edge comes with Windows 10, as I've said here
several times.


Except it didn't on my Windows 10. Instead of childishly calling me blatantly ignorant, try thinking. Perhaps Windows 10 comes in more than one version. Oh wait, we both know it does. There's Home, Pro, etc, etc, then they keep altering it with each service pack and update.



Believe what you want. I'm not going to continue to argue with you and
repeat myself.

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Old January 10th 19, 01:59 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Tue, 08 Jan 2019 12:07:07 -0000, David B. "David wrote:

On 08/01/2019 02:34, Mayayana wrote:
"Commander Kinsey" wrote

| Humans are meant to pair off and bond to each other. Pron
| screws with that mechanism.

I once read that biologists gauge monogamy based on
the size difference between the sexes. Same size,
monogamous. The bigger the male, the more likely
there's intense competition for females and no monogamy.
By that standard, they said, humans are among the
least monogamous of animals.

But I suppose it's true that society thrives on
monogamy. Now that it's ending we'll have to have
tax-supported child raising. As more single women
buy sperm from alpha, blonde, PhD sperm donors,
we'll all have to fund it.

A related law just recently
passed in MA. 12 weeks family leave for nearly all
employees. Paid for by a payroll tax and a fee charged
to employers. I wonder how many people who were
fighting for that realized that it would simply be
socialized childraising funding and come out of their
own pockets. I'd bet that a lot of them imagined they
were fighting for a new work benefit from their employer,
like a raise.



VERY astute! :-)

Did you watch the video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3_lIPESVTw

Possibly the worst thing I've ever seen on-line. :-(


I thought it was ****ing hilarious!
  #119  
Old January 10th 19, 02:01 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Tue, 08 Jan 2019 02:34:41 -0000, Mayayana wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" wrote

| Humans are meant to pair off and bond to each other. Pron
| screws with that mechanism.


I didn't write that, please quote properly.

I once read that biologists gauge monogamy based on
the size difference between the sexes. Same size,
monogamous. The bigger the male, the more likely
there's intense competition for females and no monogamy.
By that standard, they said, humans are among the
least monogamous of animals.


Which is clearly bull****, as domestic cats are completely non-monogamous, and they're similar to us, males slightly bigger than females.

But I suppose it's true that society thrives on
monogamy. Now that it's ending we'll have to have
tax-supported child raising. As more single women
buy sperm from alpha, blonde, PhD sperm donors,
we'll all have to fund it.

A related law just recently
passed in MA. 12 weeks family leave for nearly all
employees. Paid for by a payroll tax and a fee charged
to employers. I wonder how many people who were
fighting for that realized that it would simply be
socialized childraising funding and come out of their
own pockets. I'd bet that a lot of them imagined they
were fighting for a new work benefit from their employer,
like a raise.


Children should be funded by their parents and nobody else. Can't afford a dog, don't buy one. Can't afford a child, don't have one.
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Old January 10th 19, 02:18 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Commander Kinsey
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On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 00:57:40 -0000, Ken Blake wrote:

On Wed, 09 Jan 2019 21:43:59 -0000, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

On Tue, 08 Jan 2019 22:12:22 -0000, Ken Blake wrote:

That last sentence was by you. If you thought Internet Explorer was
now called Edge, you obviously didn't know that Internet Explorer was
a separate program from Edge, didn't know it came with Windows 10, and
you had never run it.


What utter bull**** you talk. I have told you countless times that when I installed Windows 10 I was given IE, which offered the installation of Edge (I actually had to download it!!!)

I had to, so it would give me Edge.

You had to run IE so you could download Edge? Your ignorance is
showing blatantly again. Edge comes with Windows 10, as I've said here
several times.


Except it didn't on my Windows 10. Instead of childishly calling me blatantly ignorant, try thinking. Perhaps Windows 10 comes in more than one version. Oh wait, we both know it does. There's Home, Pro, etc, etc, then they keep altering it with each service pack and update.


Believe what you want. I'm not going to continue to argue with you and
repeat myself.


AGAIN.... I'm not "believing" anything, I'm reporting what HAPPENED on my machines. Your assumption that every system and every install from every version of Windows 10 is the same is incredibly stupid.
 




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