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a program that runs continuously, and makes the computer "active"
Can you suggest a program that runs continuously like an internet
streaming program, but which preferably doesn't depend on internet data at all, and makes the computer "active". Win10 in its power-hungry wisdom restarts windows whenever it feels like it, subject to a couple exceptions. There is chance that the nonsense-named cretin edition will fix this, but I doubt it. However, iirc it says it doesn't restrart, even outside of so-called active hours, and I think I have found that if I keep my webradio program playing, that makes it "active" and it doesn't restart when I don't want it to. However, RadioMaximus -- great program that it is, including the free edition -- stops sometimes, I don't know why**, and I think that permits windows to close itself. Can you suggest a program that runs continuously like an internet streaming program, but which isn't an internet streaming program and preferably doesn't depend on internet data at all. I have Eudora set up to check my mail every 15 minutes, but that seems to not be enough. **Sometimes it stops playing because there is, I suppose, an interruption in the data stream. Maybe that would be enough for windows to restart, but RadioMaximus also closes every day or so for some reason I haven't determined. It's a mild nuisance. |
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On 07/12/2017 09:03 AM, micky wrote:
Can you suggest a program that runs continuously like an internet streaming program, but which preferably doesn't depend on internet data at all, and makes the computer "active". Win10 in its power-hungry wisdom restarts windows whenever it feels like it, subject to a couple exceptions. There is chance that the nonsense-named cretin edition will fix this, but I doubt it. However, iirc it says it doesn't restrart, even outside of so-called active hours, and I think I have found that if I keep my webradio program playing, that makes it "active" and it doesn't restart when I don't want it to. However, RadioMaximus -- great program that it is, including the free edition -- stops sometimes, I don't know why**, and I think that permits windows to close itself. Can you suggest a program that runs continuously like an internet streaming program, but which isn't an internet streaming program and preferably doesn't depend on internet data at all. I have Eudora set up to check my mail every 15 minutes, but that seems to not be enough. **Sometimes it stops playing because there is, I suppose, an interruption in the data stream. Maybe that would be enough for windows to restart, but RadioMaximus also closes every day or so for some reason I haven't determined. It's a mild nuisance. Hi Micky, I am not sure if this is what you are after, but this will keep you active on the Internet: winr cmd ping -t 8.8.8.8 The "-w" switch is not a delay between pings, but rather how long to wait for a ping to respond. HTH, -T |
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In article , NONONOmisc07
@bigfoot.com, micky says... Can you suggest a program that runs continuously like an internet streaming program, but which preferably doesn't depend on internet data at all, and makes the computer "active". Win10 in its power-hungry wisdom restarts windows whenever it feels like it, subject to a couple exceptions. There is chance that the nonsense-named cretin edition will fix this, but I doubt it. snip I don't think your idea will work. All modern OS's are 'active' pretty much all the time. But anyway, I think what 'active' means, in terms of Microsoft's wisdom when it comes to restarting due Windows Updates, is, 'has the keyboard or mouse been used'. So that's what you need to simulate - I think you'll find. Google one of those software testing programs that does key presses and mouse moves for you. There's probably a free one around. -- Duncan. |
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micky wrote on 7/12/2017 9:03 AM:
Can you suggest a program that runs continuously like an internet streaming program, but which preferably doesn't depend on internet data at all, and makes the computer "active". Win10 in its power-hungry wisdom restarts windows whenever it feels like it, subject to a couple exceptions. There is chance that the nonsense-named cretin edition will fix this, but I doubt it. However, iirc it says it doesn't restrart, even outside of so-called active hours, and I think I have found that if I keep my webradio program playing, that makes it "active" and it doesn't restart when I don't want it to. However, RadioMaximus -- great program that it is, including the free edition -- stops sometimes, I don't know why**, and I think that permits windows to close itself. Can you suggest a program that runs continuously like an internet streaming program, but which isn't an internet streaming program and preferably doesn't depend on internet data at all. I have Eudora set up to check my mail every 15 minutes, but that seems to not be enough. **Sometimes it stops playing because there is, I suppose, an interruption in the data stream. Maybe that would be enough for windows to restart, but RadioMaximus also closes every day or so for some reason I haven't determined. It's a mild nuisance. The simple solution is to restart your computer to allow Windows to finish installing updates. It's a hard concept to master. |
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On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 18:31:11 -0700, lifewoutmilk
wrote: micky wrote on 7/12/2017 9:03 AM: Can you suggest a program that runs continuously like an internet streaming program, but which preferably doesn't depend on internet data at all, and makes the computer "active". snip The simple solution is to restart your computer to allow Windows to finish installing updates. It's a hard concept to master. You make it sound so simple. It isn't. Unlike the OP, I'm not looking for a way keep the computer active, but I share his frustration in not being able to control reboots. I run some software 24/7 to monitor equipment. I get notified via text messages of any problems. I am usually here so I can restart as you suggest after an update. But if I am away for a week, it's not easy to prevent a reboot. I ended up using the "automatic log in" feature MS added a year or two ago along with batch files to restart my software. It usually works, but I don't feel very comfortable with it. One time it encountered an error and just sat there until I returned. Next time I am away, I am going to try the "hold off updates" feature. You can set it to put updates on hold for up to 30 days. Windows 7 used to ask if it could restart, but Windows 10 assumes it knows better and reboots outside of active hours. Unfortunately, active hours can't be set to 24/7. It used to be simple. Now it is much more complex and changes with every major release. |
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On Thu, 13 Jul 2017 07:16:34 -0400, Pat wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 18:31:11 -0700, lifewoutmilk wrote: micky wrote on 7/12/2017 9:03 AM: Can you suggest a program that runs continuously like an internet streaming program, but which preferably doesn't depend on internet data at all, and makes the computer "active". snip The simple solution is to restart your computer to allow Windows to finish installing updates. It's a hard concept to master. You make it sound so simple. It isn't. Unlike the OP, I'm not looking for a way keep the computer active, but I share his frustration in not being able to control reboots. I run some software 24/7 to monitor equipment. I get notified via text messages of any problems. I am usually here so I can restart as you suggest after an update. But if I am away for a week, it's not easy to prevent a reboot. I ended up using the "automatic log in" feature MS added a year or two ago along with batch files to restart my software. It usually works, but I don't feel very comfortable with it. One time it encountered an error and just sat there until I returned. Next time I am away, I am going to try the "hold off updates" feature. You can set it to put updates on hold for up to 30 days. Windows 7 used to ask if it could restart, but Windows 10 assumes it knows better and reboots outside of active hours. Unfortunately, active hours can't be set to 24/7. It used to be simple. Now it is much more complex and changes with every major release. I wonder if this will help. https://github.com/cryptogeek/NoReboot Description: Prevents Windows 10 from automatically rebooting for updates. |
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On Thu, 13 Jul 2017 09:05:39 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote: On Thu, 13 Jul 2017 07:16:34 -0400, Pat wrote: On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 18:31:11 -0700, lifewoutmilk wrote: micky wrote on 7/12/2017 9:03 AM: Can you suggest a program that runs continuously like an internet streaming program, but which preferably doesn't depend on internet data at all, and makes the computer "active". snip The simple solution is to restart your computer to allow Windows to finish installing updates. It's a hard concept to master. You make it sound so simple. It isn't. Unlike the OP, I'm not looking for a way keep the computer active, but I share his frustration in not being able to control reboots. I run some software 24/7 to monitor equipment. I get notified via text messages of any problems. I am usually here so I can restart as you suggest after an update. But if I am away for a week, it's not easy to prevent a reboot. I ended up using the "automatic log in" feature MS added a year or two ago along with batch files to restart my software. It usually works, but I don't feel very comfortable with it. One time it encountered an error and just sat there until I returned. Next time I am away, I am going to try the "hold off updates" feature. You can set it to put updates on hold for up to 30 days. Windows 7 used to ask if it could restart, but Windows 10 assumes it knows better and reboots outside of active hours. Unfortunately, active hours can't be set to 24/7. It used to be simple. Now it is much more complex and changes with every major release. I wonder if this will help. https://github.com/cryptogeek/NoReboot Description: Prevents Windows 10 from automatically rebooting for updates. It might be just what I am looking for, but I wish it explained how it works. I hate to run mystery software on my machine. (Of course, most of Windows 10 *is* mystery software). |
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On Thu, 13 Jul 2017 10:35:14 -0400, Pat wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jul 2017 09:05:39 -0500, Char Jackson wrote: On Thu, 13 Jul 2017 07:16:34 -0400, Pat wrote: On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 18:31:11 -0700, lifewoutmilk wrote: micky wrote on 7/12/2017 9:03 AM: Can you suggest a program that runs continuously like an internet streaming program, but which preferably doesn't depend on internet data at all, and makes the computer "active". snip The simple solution is to restart your computer to allow Windows to finish installing updates. It's a hard concept to master. You make it sound so simple. It isn't. Unlike the OP, I'm not looking for a way keep the computer active, but I share his frustration in not being able to control reboots. I run some software 24/7 to monitor equipment. I get notified via text messages of any problems. I am usually here so I can restart as you suggest after an update. But if I am away for a week, it's not easy to prevent a reboot. I ended up using the "automatic log in" feature MS added a year or two ago along with batch files to restart my software. It usually works, but I don't feel very comfortable with it. One time it encountered an error and just sat there until I returned. Next time I am away, I am going to try the "hold off updates" feature. You can set it to put updates on hold for up to 30 days. Windows 7 used to ask if it could restart, but Windows 10 assumes it knows better and reboots outside of active hours. Unfortunately, active hours can't be set to 24/7. It used to be simple. Now it is much more complex and changes with every major release. I wonder if this will help. https://github.com/cryptogeek/NoReboot Description: Prevents Windows 10 from automatically rebooting for updates. It might be just what I am looking for, but I wish it explained how it works. I hate to run mystery software on my machine. (Of course, most of Windows 10 *is* mystery software). You have the right attitude! I'm hesitant to suggest software that I haven't tried, but I don't use Win 10. Hopefully, someone will chime in with suggestions that they can vouch for. In the meantime, if you have a VM you could try it there... |
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Pat wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jul 2017 09:05:39 -0500, Char Jackson wrote: On Thu, 13 Jul 2017 07:16:34 -0400, Pat wrote: On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 18:31:11 -0700, lifewoutmilk wrote: micky wrote on 7/12/2017 9:03 AM: Can you suggest a program that runs continuously like an internet streaming program, but which preferably doesn't depend on internet data at all, and makes the computer "active". snip The simple solution is to restart your computer to allow Windows to finish installing updates. It's a hard concept to master. You make it sound so simple. It isn't. Unlike the OP, I'm not looking for a way keep the computer active, but I share his frustration in not being able to control reboots. I run some software 24/7 to monitor equipment. I get notified via text messages of any problems. I am usually here so I can restart as you suggest after an update. But if I am away for a week, it's not easy to prevent a reboot. I ended up using the "automatic log in" feature MS added a year or two ago along with batch files to restart my software. It usually works, but I don't feel very comfortable with it. One time it encountered an error and just sat there until I returned. Next time I am away, I am going to try the "hold off updates" feature. You can set it to put updates on hold for up to 30 days. Windows 7 used to ask if it could restart, but Windows 10 assumes it knows better and reboots outside of active hours. Unfortunately, active hours can't be set to 24/7. It used to be simple. Now it is much more complex and changes with every major release. I wonder if this will help. https://github.com/cryptogeek/NoReboot Description: Prevents Windows 10 from automatically rebooting for updates. It might be just what I am looking for, but I wish it explained how it works. I hate to run mystery software on my machine. (Of course, most of Windows 10 *is* mystery software). One of the files appears to be source-like. https://github.com/cryptogeek/NoRebo...r/NoReboot.ahk It's "moving the goal posts" by adjusting the Active Hours clock on a regular basis. Normally, Active Hours cannot specify the entire 24 hours as a "no reboot" interval. But, if every hour, you move the start time and end time by an hour, the thing "can never reboot". Or words to that effect. ******* The windows update system consists of things like: usosvc: Update Orchestrator Service. Launched by Task Scheduler as a Job. You will see a Command Prompt window flash on the screen for a moment when it starts. It starts a minute or two after the desktop starts. Task Scheduler: A thing you can load up with jobs. Jobs can trigger on events, or time of day. USOSVC, to counteract user inflicted damage, has multiple things in the Task Scheduler to "put things back". For example, if you clubbed wuauserv to death with your tools, maybe a process would start to repair it, at regular intervals. This software uses the WrestleMania "tag team" concept, to keep users under control. wuauserv: The thing that actually does updates, knows reboots are necessary and so on. Probably leaves some sort of status that USOSVC can see, and then USOSVC can work out when to auto-reboot the user (no matter how many Word documents they have open, and haven't saved yet). So the above NoReboot program, is simply moving the Active Hours, in an attempt to stay out of the crosshairs of USOSVC. Regarding the EXE, there are not enough bread crumbs to judge whether you should trust it. The one hit in Virustotal doesn't bother me. I was hoping to trace down where this concept came from (it might be a script interpreter, but who knows). https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/9...f1e6/analysis/ I popped the noreboot.exe into a hex editor and see AutoHotKey Which means the EXE is a host for a .ahk AutoHotKey script. Whatever that means. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AutoHotkey Paul |
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Pat wrote on 7/13/2017 4:16 AM:
On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 18:31:11 -0700, lifewoutmilk wrote: micky wrote on 7/12/2017 9:03 AM: Can you suggest a program that runs continuously like an internet streaming program, but which preferably doesn't depend on internet data at all, and makes the computer "active". snip The simple solution is to restart your computer to allow Windows to finish installing updates. It's a hard concept to master. You make it sound so simple. It isn't. Unlike the OP, I'm not looking for a way keep the computer active, but I share his frustration in not being able to control reboots. I run some software 24/7 to monitor equipment. I get notified via text messages of any problems. I am usually here so I can restart as you suggest after an update. But if I am away for a week, it's not easy to prevent a reboot. I ended up using the "automatic log in" feature MS added a year or two ago along with batch files to restart my software. It usually works, but I don't feel very comfortable with it. One time it encountered an error and just sat there until I returned. Next time I am away, I am going to try the "hold off updates" feature. You can set it to put updates on hold for up to 30 days. Windows 7 used to ask if it could restart, but Windows 10 assumes it knows better and reboots outside of active hours. Unfortunately, active hours can't be set to 24/7. It used to be simple. Now it is much more complex and changes with every major release. Windows 10 is a consumer-oriented operating system. If you need 24/7 up time, you're using the wrong tool. It's literally a few minutes each month to update and reboot. I'm glad Microsoft is forcing people to keep their computers more secure. It makes the Internet a better place for everyone. |
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In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Thu, 13 Jul 2017 09:05:39 -0500, Char
Jackson wrote: On Thu, 13 Jul 2017 07:16:34 -0400, Pat wrote: On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 18:31:11 -0700, lifewoutmilk wrote: micky wrote on 7/12/2017 9:03 AM: Can you suggest a program that runs continuously like an internet streaming program, but which preferably doesn't depend on internet data at all, and makes the computer "active". snip The simple solution is to restart your computer to allow Windows to finish installing updates. It's a hard concept to master. You make it sound so simple. It isn't. Unlike the OP, I'm not looking for a way keep the computer active, but I share his frustration in not being able to control reboots. I run some software 24/7 to monitor equipment. I get notified via text messages of any problems. I am usually here so I can restart as you suggest after an update. But if I am away for a week, it's not easy to prevent a reboot. I ended up using the "automatic log in" feature MS added a year or two ago along with batch files to restart my software. It usually works, but I don't feel very comfortable with it. One time it encountered an error and just sat there until I returned. Next time I am away, I am going to try the "hold off updates" feature. You can set it to put updates on hold for up to 30 days. Windows 7 used to ask if it could restart, but Windows 10 assumes it knows better and reboots outside of active hours. Unfortunately, active hours can't be set to 24/7. It used to be simple. Now it is much more complex and changes with every major release. I wonder if this will help. https://github.com/cryptogeek/NoReboot Description: Prevents Windows 10 from automatically rebooting for updates. It sounds like it should. It includes two v. short text files, and exe file, and an autohotkey file, which is this: { FormatTime, hour, , H start := hour-1 end := hour+11 if (end 23) { end := end - 24 } RegWrite, REG_DWORD, HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsUpdat e\UX\Settings ,ActiveHoursStart, %start% RegWrite, REG_DWORD, HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsUpdat e\UX\Settings ,ActiveHoursEnd, %end% sleep 1000*60*60 ;sleep for 1 hour } I hope the author doesn't mind my displaying this. So it looks like he stays within the 12 hour limit on being active, but he keeps updating those hours so the user is always within them. I wish I had looked at these entries before I ran the program but now at least my activehoursstart is 18 and end is 6, which I presume means 6PM that just passed, and 6 AM yet to come. Then I'm guessing that the script sleeps for one hour, 60 seconds x 60 minutes x 1000 (why 1000? Does that = 1?) and an hour from now it will reset those two values. Aha, start = hour-1, so it was either just before or just after 8 my time when I ran this, so it subtracted one hour and got 6 and end=hour+11 and that equals 6AM tomorrow. I'll check after 9 to see if it's changed again, but it is so simple I think it should work. This the win10 version of regedit remembers what one looked at last and starts there the next time. I don't know when that feature was added. In the same registry section: Defer upgrade is still 0, so I guess I have to set that myself? LastToastAction is 113, whatever that is, and uxoption is 0 BTW, I got a warning that they were soon going to install the Cretin update. it showed me 5 privacy settings, 4 of which it said I had on, and it said it would restore them after the update. AIUI, there are lots of other things it should restore but doesn't. |
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On Thu, 13 Jul 2017 17:13:16 -0400, Paul
wrote: Pat wrote: On Thu, 13 Jul 2017 09:05:39 -0500, Char Jackson wrote: On Thu, 13 Jul 2017 07:16:34 -0400, Pat wrote: On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 18:31:11 -0700, lifewoutmilk wrote: micky wrote on 7/12/2017 9:03 AM: Can you suggest a program that runs continuously like an internet streaming program, but which preferably doesn't depend on internet data at all, and makes the computer "active". snip The simple solution is to restart your computer to allow Windows to finish installing updates. It's a hard concept to master. You make it sound so simple. It isn't. Unlike the OP, I'm not looking for a way keep the computer active, but I share his frustration in not being able to control reboots. I run some software 24/7 to monitor equipment. I get notified via text messages of any problems. I am usually here so I can restart as you suggest after an update. But if I am away for a week, it's not easy to prevent a reboot. I ended up using the "automatic log in" feature MS added a year or two ago along with batch files to restart my software. It usually works, but I don't feel very comfortable with it. One time it encountered an error and just sat there until I returned. Next time I am away, I am going to try the "hold off updates" feature. You can set it to put updates on hold for up to 30 days. Windows 7 used to ask if it could restart, but Windows 10 assumes it knows better and reboots outside of active hours. Unfortunately, active hours can't be set to 24/7. It used to be simple. Now it is much more complex and changes with every major release. I wonder if this will help. https://github.com/cryptogeek/NoReboot Description: Prevents Windows 10 from automatically rebooting for updates. It might be just what I am looking for, but I wish it explained how it works. I hate to run mystery software on my machine. (Of course, most of Windows 10 *is* mystery software). One of the files appears to be source-like. https://github.com/cryptogeek/NoRebo...r/NoReboot.ahk It's "moving the goal posts" by adjusting the Active Hours clock on a regular basis. Normally, Active Hours cannot specify the entire 24 hours as a "no reboot" interval. But, if every hour, you move the start time and end time by an hour, the thing "can never reboot". Or words to that effect. ******* The windows update system consists of things like: usosvc: Update Orchestrator Service. Launched by Task Scheduler as a Job. You will see a Command Prompt window flash on the screen for a moment when it starts. It starts a minute or two after the desktop starts. Task Scheduler: A thing you can load up with jobs. Jobs can trigger on events, or time of day. USOSVC, to counteract user inflicted damage, has multiple things in the Task Scheduler to "put things back". For example, if you clubbed wuauserv to death with your tools, maybe a process would start to repair it, at regular intervals. This software uses the WrestleMania "tag team" concept, to keep users under control. wuauserv: The thing that actually does updates, knows reboots are necessary and so on. Probably leaves some sort of status that USOSVC can see, and then USOSVC can work out when to auto-reboot the user (no matter how many Word documents they have open, and haven't saved yet). So the above NoReboot program, is simply moving the Active Hours, in an attempt to stay out of the crosshairs of USOSVC. Regarding the EXE, there are not enough bread crumbs to judge whether you should trust it. The one hit in Virustotal doesn't bother me. I was hoping to trace down where this concept came from (it might be a script interpreter, but who knows). https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/9...f1e6/analysis/ I popped the noreboot.exe into a hex editor and see AutoHotKey Which means the EXE is a host for a .ahk AutoHotKey script. Whatever that means. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AutoHotkey Paul Thanks Paul. |
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In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Thu, 13 Jul 2017 11:09:39 +1200, Dave Doe
wrote: In article , NONONOmisc07 , micky says... Can you suggest a program that runs continuously like an internet streaming program, but which preferably doesn't depend on internet data at all, and makes the computer "active". Win10 in its power-hungry wisdom restarts windows whenever it feels like it, subject to a couple exceptions. There is chance that the nonsense-named cretin edition will fix this, but I doubt it. snip I don't think your idea will work. All modern OS's are 'active' pretty much all the time. But anyway, I think what 'active' means, in terms of Microsoft's wisdom when it comes to restarting due Windows Updates, is, 'has the keyboard or mouse been used'. So that's what you need to simulate - I think you'll find. Google one of those software testing programs that does key presses and mouse moves for you. There's probably a free one around. I'll do that. At least I planned to until Char posted I hope Pat like my explanation. Wasbit you gave me too much to look at in one day, but I will look at that stuff. Thank you all. Actually I remember now that I didnt' look at my settings in regedit before running the program Char suggested, but I did look at them in Windows Settings and they were 2PM to 2AM, my best guess for myself. So the program changed it to 6PM to 6AM. So it looks like it works. |
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In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Wed, 12 Jul 2017 12:31:54 -0700, T
wrote: On 07/12/2017 09:03 AM, micky wrote: Can you suggest a program that runs continuously like an internet streaming program, but which preferably doesn't depend on internet data at all, and makes the computer "active". **Sometimes it stops playing because there is, I suppose, an interruption in the data stream. Maybe that would be enough for windows to restart, but RadioMaximus also closes every day or so for some reason I haven't determined. It's a mild nuisance. Hi Micky, I am not sure if this is what you are after, but this will keep you active on the Internet: winr cmd ping -t 8.8.8.8 The "-w" switch is not a delay between pings, but rather how long to wait for a ping to respond. HTH, -T I did try this but the girl next door complained that I was pinging her and said she was calling the police. I showed the police this post of yours and said they should question you. Have they arrived yet? So I haven't given it a full test yet. Just kidding. |
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