How to swap OK and Cancel in dialog boxes?

Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 8/23/20 4:36 PM, Snit wrote:

[snip]

I still tend to think of them by their numbers.... though with some the names
were made to show connections (Snow Leopard followed Leopard for example).

Now they have gone all the way up to 11!

My Mac Mini currently shows:

macOS Catalina
Version 10.15.5

(there is an update to 10.15.6 scheduled to install tonight)

I am already on 10.15.6.

Not a competition though.

I think that’s the update that fixed virtualization memory leaks — which
given how I have been using Windows in Parallels was a big deal for me.

BTW, that island looks like some kind of predatory animal.

LOL.



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Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 8/23/20 3:08 PM, Snit wrote:

[snip]

There must be some utility I can use to swap these buttons over?

How about clicking on "OK" or "cancel" rather than blindly clicking on a
spot that "feels right"?


Muscle memory.

Of course I would notice when that "muscle memory" was leading to the
WRONG result, and correct the problem (which was clicking the wrong
button).


Sure. And that will slow you down — if only a little.

Years ago was a part of a UI study where we compared the Delete / Cancel
style buttons vs. the Yes / No style. The more descriptive buttons led to
FAR fewer errors (can’t recall the exact numbers but nearly zero vs. far
more). I suspect placement has a similar impact.

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nospam wrote:

Hasn't it always been called "MacOS"?

Nope. In the Classic days it was System 1, System 2, System 3, System 4,
Software System 5, Software System 6, Software System 7/Mac OS 7, Mac OS
8, Mac OS 9... then Mac OS X, then OS X, then macOS.

nobody called it 'software system'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_6
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System 6 (also referred to as System Software 6) ...
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What you snipped:

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_6
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System 6 (also referred to as System Software 6) ...
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Now you know! But, sure, I did not list both for that version... which only
makes it less confusing, eh?
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And now you know. I think it is cool... but you want to troll. Not really
gonna keep biting.

Nospam snipped this away. He was right I pointed to a Classic link that was
not relevant. I did a quick search and barely paid attention in response to
his trolling. Still — my mistake. Let’s see if he admits to his (hint: he
won’t).


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nospam wrote:
In article , Mark Lloyd
wrote:


Teaching my oldest child to drive... while it is obvious to those of us
with
experience, when you are new going in reverse confuses people.

anyone confused when backing up should not be driving.

When I was learning to drive, a relative was trying to tell me about
turn signals on a car I see in the rear-view mirror. "If the car is
signaling left, the light will be on the right. If the car is signaling
right, the light will be on the left." Instead of THAT complexity, I
realized the the directions were the same (which was a lot easier).

don't take driving lessons from relatives.

I can see where your relatives could benefit from that advice.

in fact, don't take driving lessons from the usual driving schools
either. they're almost as clueless and don't teach actual driving
skills.

take driving lessons from a *real* driving school where they actually
teach people how to safely drive and avoid crashes.

one example:
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skills that could save them!




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Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 8/23/20 4:20 PM, nospam wrote:

[snip]

Teaching my oldest child to drive... while it is obvious to those of us with
experience, when you are new going in reverse confuses people.

anyone confused when backing up should not be driving.

When I was learning to drive, a relative was trying to tell me about
turn signals on a car I see in the rear-view mirror. "If the car is
signaling left, the light will be on the right. If the car is signaling
right, the light will be on the left." Instead of THAT complexity, I
realized the the directions were the same (which was a lot easier).


The signal should be the direction they are turning (or changing lanes).
Easy.

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Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 8/23/20 4:08 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:

[snip]

Teaching my oldest child to drive... while it is obvious to those of
us with
experience, when you are new going in reverse confuses people.

Going in reverse is THE SAME.Â* The wheel goes the same way to make the
car go to the right in either direction.Â* How can anyone possibly get
that wrong?

The direction is the same. You get messed up with the words "left" and
"right", which are observer-relative. It's those WORDS that are
reversed, not the directions themselves.

In college, someone asked me why things are reversed left-to-right but
not up-to-down in a mirror. The answer is that NEITHER direction is
reversed. It's just the way words are defined. "up" and "down" are
Earth-relative and don't change with your orientation. While looking in
a mirror, try pointing to your left and notice that you are pointing
left and the mirror image is pointing right but both you and the image
are pointing in the SAME direction.

Pretty much how I explained it.

The only thing incompetants can get wrong is reversing a trailer, as
you're steering the car not the trailer.




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nospam wrote:
In article , Mark Lloyd
wrote:

But now Apple have started this bull**** with animals. How can anyone
remember
whether a Tiger or a Leopard is better?

cat names have not been used since 2012. they now use california
landmarks.

IIRC, the next version is to be called "Big Sur", and will not work on
some older Macs.

it works on macs from about 2013 or so onward.

it's also the first to run on both intel and apple silicon processors.


And the Silicon (not silicon) Macs won’t run Windows in virtualization. At
least not the common x86 Windows. My guess is Parallels and others, with
Apple’s help, are working to emulate what cannot be virtualized. I hope so
anyway.

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On 2020-08-24, Snit wrote:
nospam wrote:
In article , Mark Lloyd
wrote:


Teaching my oldest child to drive... while it is obvious to those of us
with
experience, when you are new going in reverse confuses people.

anyone confused when backing up should not be driving.

When I was learning to drive, a relative was trying to tell me about
turn signals on a car I see in the rear-view mirror. "If the car is
signaling left, the light will be on the right. If the car is signaling
right, the light will be on the left." Instead of THAT complexity, I
realized the the directions were the same (which was a lot easier).

don't take driving lessons from relatives.

I can see where your relatives could benefit from that advice.

LOL! I'm thinking that's not really an invitation by you to compare
driving records Are the things people have posted about yours true?

On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 17:28:25 +0100, Mark Lloyd wrote:

On 8/23/20 4:08 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:

[snip]

Teaching my oldest child to drive... while it is obvious to those of
us with
experience, when you are new going in reverse confuses people.

Going in reverse is THE SAME. The wheel goes the same way to make the
car go to the right in either direction. How can anyone possibly get
that wrong?

The direction is the same. You get messed up with the words "left" and
"right", which are observer-relative. It's those WORDS that are
reversed, not the directions themselves.

Nothing is changed when reversing a car. You move the CAR left, not yourself. Anyway, even if you look over your shoulder, your left and right stays the same. Your head may have turned, but your entire body is still facing the same way as the car.

In college, someone asked me why things are reversed left-to-right but
not up-to-down in a mirror. The answer is that NEITHER direction is
reversed. It's just the way words are defined. "up" and "down" are
Earth-relative and don't change with your orientation. While looking in
a mirror, try pointing to your left and notice that you are pointing
left and the mirror image is pointing right but both you and the image
are pointing in the SAME direction.

You just answered a Physics question form my first year Uni lecture that I could never understand.

On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 18:43:43 +0100, Snit wrote:

Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 8/23/20 3:08 PM, Snit wrote:

[snip]

There must be some utility I can use to swap these buttons over?

How about clicking on "OK" or "cancel" rather than blindly clicking on a
spot that "feels right"?


Muscle memory.

Of course I would notice when that "muscle memory" was leading to the
WRONG result, and correct the problem (which was clicking the wrong
button).


Sure. And that will slow you down — if only a little.

Years ago was a part of a UI study where we compared the Delete / Cancel
style buttons vs. the Yes / No style. The more descriptive buttons led to
FAR fewer errors (can’t recall the exact numbers but nearly zero vs. far
more). I suspect placement has a similar impact.

I would go further and put a little warning graphic on something that can cause problems, like deleting or not saving.

On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 17:08:54 +0100, Mark Lloyd wrote:

On 8/23/20 3:08 PM, Snit wrote:

[snip]

There must be some utility I can use to swap these buttons over?

How about clicking on "OK" or "cancel" rather than blindly clicking on a
spot that "feels right"?


Muscle memory.

Of course I would notice when that "muscle memory" was leading to the
WRONG result, and correct the problem (which was clicking the wrong
button).

What you're saying is your conscious is faster than your subconscious. Most people are the other way round.

On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 18:43:42 +0100, Snit wrote:

Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 8/23/20 4:36 PM, Snit wrote:

[snip]

I still tend to think of them by their numbers.... though with some the names
were made to show connections (Snow Leopard followed Leopard for example).

Now they have gone all the way up to 11!

My Mac Mini currently shows:

macOS Catalina
Version 10.15.5

(there is an update to 10.15.6 scheduled to install tonight)

I am already on 10.15.6.

Not a competition though.

I think that’s the update that fixed virtualization memory leaks — which
given how I have been using Windows in Parallels was a big deal for me..

BTW, that island looks like some kind of predatory animal.

LOL.

Haven't had memory leaks in Windows since 1995.

On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 17:45:09 +0100, Mark Lloyd wrote:

On 8/23/20 4:36 PM, Snit wrote:

[snip]

I still tend to think of them by their numbers.... though with some the names
were made to show connections (Snow Leopard followed Leopard for example).

Now they have gone all the way up to 11!

My Mac Mini currently shows:

macOS Catalina
Version 10.15.5

(there is an update to 10.15.6 scheduled to install tonight)

Your mac is so slow you have to schedule updates? I just let Windows updates install, most I have to wait is a minute for a reboot with some file changes in it.

BTW, that island looks like some kind of predatory animal.

This?
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/1e/e2...733843a3cc.jpg
Yes, kinda like a creature's face with bony ridges or something.

On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 17:39:16 +0100, Jim H wrote:

On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 21:38:47 +0100, in op.0ptkyxa8wdg98l@glass,
"Commander Kinsey" wrote:

On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 21:00:17 +0100, Mark Lloyd wrote:

On 8/23/20 9:33 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
I have a major problem with Windows dialog boxes. Everything in my life
is affirmative action to the right (stereo volume control, car
accelerator, etc). Linux and Mac have OK on the right, that's fine.
Even though I virtually never use those two OSes, non-computer things in
life have ingrained it into my head that yes is on the right and no is
on the left. Almost 50% of the time I subconsciously click the wrong
button in a Windows dialog box because I expect OK to be on the right.
"Do you want to save this?" "Yes, oh no, I pressed cancel!"

There must be some utility I can use to swap these buttons over?

I never noticed this problem until someone else mentioned it. I would
click on the appropriate box like "OK" not just some location within the
window.

Do you glance down at your car pedals each time to the labels you wrote on them saying "brake" and "gas"?


Of course not. Nor do I confuse buttons on my computer monitor with my
car pedals.

The simple fact remains that there are 50-odd things in life where you choose yes/no or faster/slower or louder/softer. The tradition is more on the right and less on the left. Windows is just plain wrong. Even worse if you use Mac/Linux and have those the other way.

On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 17:49:15 +0100, Jim H wrote:

On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 16:03:41 -0700, in
, Ken Blake
wrote:

On 8/23/2020 1:00 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 8/23/20 9:33 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
I have a major problem with Windows dialog boxes. Everything in my life
is affirmative action to the right (stereo volume control, car
accelerator, etc). Linux and Mac have OK on the right, that's fine.
Even though I virtually never use those two OSes, non-computer things in
life have ingrained it into my head that yes is on the right and no is
on the left. Almost 50% of the time I subconsciously click the wrong
button in a Windows dialog box because I expect OK to be on the right.
"Do you want to save this?" "Yes, oh no, I pressed cancel!"

There must be some utility I can use to swap these buttons over?

I never noticed this problem until someone else mentioned it. I would
click on the appropriate box like "OK" not just some location within the
window.


It's not always true, but in most cases, OK is already selected, and
simply pressing the enter key is like clicking OK.

Generally speaking... perhaps too generally... pressing ENTER causes
the safest action to take place.

********. Delete a file, enter means yes. That's bad.