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Office 2003 on Win7 Pro - also XP
In message , ...winston
writes: [] Support for Office 2003 products is ending on April 8, 2014. After this date, Office 2003 products will no longer receive the following: Assisted support Online content updates ** Software updates from Microsoft Update ** Security updates to help protect your PC from harmful viruses, spyware, and other malicious software, which can steal your personal information. The highlighted line _suggests_ - though far from clearly - that the update servers will no longer supply even already-written updates (in effect, could be turned off). Anyone know if this is in fact the case? More importantly, same question for XP itself. Consensus appears to be that the servers for XP _will_ remain on (for _already-created_ updates) for some time after kill day. Although you will still be able to start and run Office 2003 after this date, you may want to upgrade to a newer version of Office to get continuing support and updates I think the key word there is "continuing", and what interpretation one puts on it. /qp Also of note for XP users (not Win7) cf. http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windo...f-support.aspx qp Will Microsoft Security Essentials be supported after April 8, 2014? Microsoft Security Essentials will not be available for download on Windows XP after April 8, 2014. If you already have Microsoft Security Essentials installed, you will continue to receive anti-malware signature updates through July 14, 2015. However, please note that PCs running Windows XP after April 8, 2014 should not be considered protected. /qp Yes, you won't be able to _download_ MSE, but you'll still be able to get _signatures_ for it. (If you've already downloaded it - as a standalone, not an "update" - I presume you can _transfer_ it to a PC on which you haven't, though.) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Odds are, the phrase "It's none of my business" will be followed by "but". |
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , ...winston writes: [] Support for Office 2003 products is ending on April 8, 2014. After this date, Office 2003 products will no longer receive the following: Assisted support Online content updates ** Software updates from Microsoft Update ** Security updates to help protect your PC from harmful viruses, spyware, and other malicious software, which can steal your personal information. The highlighted line _suggests_ - though far from clearly - that the update servers will no longer supply even already-written updates (in effect, could be turned off). Anyone know if this is in fact the case? More importantly, same question for XP itself. Consensus appears to be that the servers for XP _will_ remain on (for _already-created_ updates) for some time after kill day. Although you will still be able to start and run Office 2003 after this date, you may want to upgrade to a newer version of Office to get continuing support and updates I think the key word there is "continuing", and what interpretation one puts on it. /qp Also of note for XP users (not Win7) cf. http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windo...f-support.aspx qp Will Microsoft Security Essentials be supported after April 8, 2014? Microsoft Security Essentials will not be available for download on Windows XP after April 8, 2014. If you already have Microsoft Security Essentials installed, you will continue to receive anti-malware signature updates through July 14, 2015. However, please note that PCs running Windows XP after April 8, 2014 should not be considered protected. /qp Yes, you won't be able to _download_ MSE, but you'll still be able to get _signatures_ for it. (If you've already downloaded it - as a standalone, not an "update" - I presume you can _transfer_ it to a PC on which you haven't, though.) Wsusoffline can be used to archive all Office updates. When using the tabs in wsusoffline generator, the "Legacy" tab holds access to WinXP and Office 2003. The other later Windows OSes and later versions of Office, are under the left-most tab of WsusOffline. Do your WsusOffline before April 8, and you'll be in relatively good shape for later. At least then you don't have to worry about Windows Update. http://forums.wsusoffline.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=411 http://download.wsusoffline.net/ (fetch from Microsoft now) http://www.wsusoffline.net/docs/wsus..._generator.png (install to some other C: later) http://www.wsusoffline.net/docs/wsus..._installer.png The WsusOffline generator and updater, are written by the people on that site. The actual download files, come from a Microsoft hosted site. So your updates are Microsoft updates, and don't come from wsusoffline.net . This is one of the conditions, for Microsoft lawyers to not be attacking that site (with some kind of take-down request). Paul |
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Paul wrote:
Wsusoffline can be used to archive all Office updates. When using the tabs in wsusoffline generator, the "Legacy" tab holds access to WinXP and Office 2003. The other later Windows OSes and later versions of Office, are under the left-most tab of WsusOffline. Do your WsusOffline before April 8, and you'll be in relatively good shape for later. At least then you don't have to worry about Windows Update. http://forums.wsusoffline.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=411 http://download.wsusoffline.net/ (fetch from Microsoft now) http://www.wsusoffline.net/docs/wsus..._generator.png (install to some other C: later) http://www.wsusoffline.net/docs/wsus..._installer.png The WsusOffline generator and updater, are written by the people on that site. The actual download files, come from a Microsoft hosted site. So your updates are Microsoft updates, and don't come from wsusoffline.net . This is one of the conditions, for Microsoft lawyers to not be attacking that site (with some kind of take-down request). Just to be aware, WSUSoffline retrieves critical and security updates. It will retrieve the service packs ONLY if you configure it to do so (the install-time default is not to get service packs). It does NOT retrieve important and recommended updates. So you can get the highest priority updates but not all of them that Microsoft made available. http://trac.wsusoffline.net/browser/...oc/faq-enu.txt "WSUS Offline update by default downloads only patches contained in Microsoft's catalog WSUSSCN2.CAB. This includes at least all critical and security-related patches, but not every important, recommended or optional one." Yes, it says if you downloaded them (not installed them) that you can manually add them to the WSUS folders. If you read their instructions on how to modify the WSUSoffline files, you'll soon realize that only sysadmins would bother, if at all. WSUSoffline is better than nothing, especially if you will have to do later do fresh installs of the discontinued products, but it won't get you to the same state for a product as was available when Microsoft pushed out their own updates (criticial - yes, important - no, recommended - no, security patches - yes, service packs - only if you configure WSUSoffline to include them). By the way, with anti-virus authors also discontinuing support of Windows XP, you might want to include MSE and the Defender updates in WSUSoffline as it might be the only AV product available (if you added it) in the future. Also, you might want WSUSoffline to generate .iso files. This aggregates all the updates for a product with an ISO file. Else, you end up with the products in subfolders under the 'client' folder under the WSUSoffline folder but the ancilliary programs are in different subfolders. Presumably its updater program will know how to find the ancilliary products in other subfolders but I like to keep it all together. Of course, this means more disk space gets consumed as the support programs are duplicated in the ISO files. I don't have to take the entire WSUSoffline folder with all stored products to another host to update it. I can just take the ISO file with the product that I'll be updating on the other host. If you have current Windows XP installations, you better start doing full image backups of them (and incremental images if you use that host to capture any changes between the full backups). Get an imaging program and schedule it to do backup your XP hosts. WSUSoffline won't get your XP host back to its same state (or, at least, to a fully updated fresh install with updates coming from Microsoft) because WSUSoffline doesn't retrieve all updates. |
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VanguardLH wrote:
Paul wrote: Wsusoffline can be used to archive all Office updates. When using the tabs in wsusoffline generator, the "Legacy" tab holds access to WinXP and Office 2003. The other later Windows OSes and later versions of Office, are under the left-most tab of WsusOffline. Do your WsusOffline before April 8, and you'll be in relatively good shape for later. At least then you don't have to worry about Windows Update. http://forums.wsusoffline.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=411 http://download.wsusoffline.net/ (fetch from Microsoft now) http://www.wsusoffline.net/docs/wsus..._generator.png (install to some other C: later) http://www.wsusoffline.net/docs/wsus..._installer.png The WsusOffline generator and updater, are written by the people on that site. The actual download files, come from a Microsoft hosted site. So your updates are Microsoft updates, and don't come from wsusoffline.net . This is one of the conditions, for Microsoft lawyers to not be attacking that site (with some kind of take-down request). Just to be aware, WSUSoffline retrieves critical and security updates. It will retrieve the service packs ONLY if you configure it to do so (the install-time default is not to get service packs). It does NOT retrieve important and recommended updates. So you can get the highest priority updates but not all of them that Microsoft made available. http://trac.wsusoffline.net/browser/...oc/faq-enu.txt "WSUS Offline update by default downloads only patches contained in Microsoft's catalog WSUSSCN2.CAB. This includes at least all critical and security-related patches, but not every important, recommended or optional one." Yes, it says if you downloaded them (not installed them) that you can manually add them to the WSUS folders. If you read their instructions on how to modify the WSUSoffline files, you'll soon realize that only sysadmins would bother, if at all. WSUSoffline is better than nothing, especially if you will have to do later do fresh installs of the discontinued products, but it won't get you to the same state for a product as was available when Microsoft pushed out their own updates (criticial - yes, important - no, recommended - no, security patches - yes, service packs - only if you configure WSUSoffline to include them). By the way, with anti-virus authors also discontinuing support of Windows XP, you might want to include MSE and the Defender updates in WSUSoffline as it might be the only AV product available (if you added it) in the future. Also, you might want WSUSoffline to generate .iso files. This aggregates all the updates for a product with an ISO file. Else, you end up with the products in subfolders under the 'client' folder under the WSUSoffline folder but the ancilliary programs are in different subfolders. Presumably its updater program will know how to find the ancilliary products in other subfolders but I like to keep it all together. Of course, this means more disk space gets consumed as the support programs are duplicated in the ISO files. I don't have to take the entire WSUSoffline folder with all stored products to another host to update it. I can just take the ISO file with the product that I'll be updating on the other host. If you have current Windows XP installations, you better start doing full image backups of them (and incremental images if you use that host to capture any changes between the full backups). Get an imaging program and schedule it to do backup your XP hosts. WSUSoffline won't get your XP host back to its same state (or, at least, to a fully updated fresh install with updates coming from Microsoft) because WSUSoffline doesn't retrieve all updates. My target for this effort, is a machine that is many hours drive from here, and it only has dialup. Anything I can carry in the car with me, is a bonus. Even if I'm not getting the latest Daylight Savings file to go with it. I did select the Windows Defender and MSE tick boxes. Paul |
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VanguardLH wrote:
Paul wrote: Wsusoffline can be used to archive all Office updates. When using the tabs in wsusoffline generator, the "Legacy" tab holds access to WinXP and Office 2003. The other later Windows OSes and later versions of Office, are under the left-most tab of WsusOffline. Do your WsusOffline before April 8, and you'll be in relatively good shape for later. At least then you don't have to worry about Windows Update. http://forums.wsusoffline.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=411 http://download.wsusoffline.net/ (fetch from Microsoft now) http://www.wsusoffline.net/docs/wsus..._generator.png (install to some other C: later) http://www.wsusoffline.net/docs/wsus..._installer.png The WsusOffline generator and updater, are written by the people on that site. The actual download files, come from a Microsoft hosted site. So your updates are Microsoft updates, and don't come from wsusoffline.net . This is one of the conditions, for Microsoft lawyers to not be attacking that site (with some kind of take-down request). Just to be aware, WSUSoffline retrieves critical and security updates. It will retrieve the service packs ONLY if you configure it to do so (the install-time default is not to get service packs). It does NOT retrieve important and recommended updates. So you can get the highest priority updates but not all of them that Microsoft made available. http://trac.wsusoffline.net/browser/...oc/faq-enu.txt "WSUS Offline update by default downloads only patches contained in Microsoft's catalog WSUSSCN2.CAB. This includes at least all critical and security-related patches, but not every important, recommended or optional one." Yes, it says if you downloaded them (not installed them) that you can manually add them to the WSUS folders. If you read their instructions on how to modify the WSUSoffline files, you'll soon realize that only sysadmins would bother, if at all. WSUSoffline is better than nothing, especially if you will have to do later do fresh installs of the discontinued products, but it won't get you to the same state for a product as was available when Microsoft pushed out their own updates (criticial - yes, important - no, recommended - no, security patches - yes, service packs - only if you configure WSUSoffline to include them). By the way, with anti-virus authors also discontinuing support of Windows XP, you might want to include MSE and the Defender updates in WSUSoffline as it might be the only AV product available (if you added it) in the future. Also, you might want WSUSoffline to generate .iso files. This aggregates all the updates for a product with an ISO file. Else, you end up with the products in subfolders under the 'client' folder under the WSUSoffline folder but the ancilliary programs are in different subfolders. Presumably its updater program will know how to find the ancilliary products in other subfolders but I like to keep it all together. Of course, this means more disk space gets consumed as the support programs are duplicated in the ISO files. I don't have to take the entire WSUSoffline folder with all stored products to another host to update it. I can just take the ISO file with the product that I'll be updating on the other host. If you have current Windows XP installations, you better start doing full image backups of them (and incremental images if you use that host to capture any changes between the full backups). Get an imaging program and schedule it to do backup your XP hosts. WSUSoffline won't get your XP host back to its same state (or, at least, to a fully updated fresh install with updates coming from Microsoft) because WSUSoffline doesn't retrieve all updates. When you run WSUSoffline, how large is the update file(s) it retrieves from Microsoft? I would let it update the service packs. Henry |
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Henry wrote:
When you run WSUSoffline, how large is the update file(s) it retrieves from Microsoft? I would let it update the service packs. Depends on what products you select in WSUSoffline to have it retrieve updates. I have it retrieve updates for every product it supports. That way, even for still-supported products, I have an offline source to apply the updates. Not only do I collect the updates (which go into the 'client' subfolder) but I also get the service packs for each of them, C++ runtime libs, and .NET frameworks. I want everything it will retrieve although that is still not every update available from MS for each product. I even include MSE and Defender updates since those may become the only AV products that will support Windows XP. So with the program files and collecting everything it will along with duplicating them into ISO files for individual use, my 'wsusoffline' folder is now at 35.6 GB in size (the 'iso' subfolder is 21.6 GB of that). |
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In message , Paul
writes: J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: In message , ...winston writes: [] Support for Office 2003 products is ending on April 8, 2014. After this date, Office 2003 products will no longer receive the following: Assisted support Online content updates ** Software updates from Microsoft Update ** Security updates to help protect your PC from harmful viruses, spyware, and other malicious software, which can steal your personal information. The highlighted line _suggests_ - though far from clearly - that the update servers will no longer supply even already-written updates (in effect, could be turned off). Anyone know if this is in fact the case? More importantly, same question for XP itself. Consensus appears to be that the servers for XP _will_ remain on (for _already-created_ updates) for some time after kill day. Although you will still be able to start and run Office 2003 after this date, you may want to upgrade to a newer version of Office to get continuing support and updates I think the key word there is "continuing", and what interpretation one puts on it. /qp Also of note for XP users (not Win7) cf. http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windo...f-support.aspx qp Will Microsoft Security Essentials be supported after April 8, 2014? Microsoft Security Essentials will not be available for download on Windows XP after April 8, 2014. If you already have Microsoft Security Essentials installed, you will continue to receive anti-malware signature updates through July 14, 2015. However, please note that PCs running Windows XP after April 8, 2014 should not be considered protected. /qp Yes, you won't be able to _download_ MSE, but you'll still be able to get _signatures_ for it. (If you've already downloaded it - as a standalone, not an "update" - I presume you can _transfer_ it to a PC on which you haven't, though.) Wsusoffline can be used to archive all Office updates. When using the tabs in wsusoffline generator, the "Legacy" tab holds access to WinXP and Office 2003. The other later Windows OSes and later versions of Office, are under the left-most tab of WsusOffline. Do your WsusOffline before April 8, and you'll be in relatively good shape for later. At least then you don't have to worry about Windows Update. The source winston was quoting said "Support for Office 2003 .. is ending .. after that date .. will no longer receive the following: .... Software updates from Microsoft Update .... It's not clear to me (and I suspect most others!) whether that line just means no _new_ updates will be generated, or whether even _existing_ updates will stop being receivable (i. e. the server will be turned off). For XP, as opposed to Office 2003, the consensus seems to be that the server won't be turned off, so I suspect the same applies to the server for Office 2003. http://forums.wsusoffline.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=411 http://download.wsusoffline.net/ (fetch from Microsoft now) http://www.wsusoffline.net/docs/wsus..._generator.png (install to some other C: later) http://www.wsusoffline.net/docs/wsus..._installer.png The WsusOffline generator and updater, are written by the people on that site. The actual download files, come from a Microsoft hosted site. So your updates are Microsoft updates, and don't come from wsusoffline.net . This is one of the conditions, for Microsoft lawyers to not be attacking that site (with some kind of take-down request). Paul -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf We really don't have any enemies. It's just that some of our best friends are trying to kill us. |
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
The source winston was quoting said "Support for Office 2003 .. is ending .. after that date .. will no longer receive the following: ... Software updates from Microsoft Update ... It's not clear to me (and I suspect most others!) whether that line just means no _new_ updates will be generated, or whether even _existing_ updates will stop being receivable (i. e. the server will be turned off). For XP, as opposed to Office 2003, the consensus seems to be that the server won't be turned off, so I suspect the same applies to the server for Office 2003. It would mean no new updates. And as for serving the existing updates, they're available today. But we don't know how long they might last (be served for free). In the o2K3 folder, there are four files under "enu". I didn't want to type out all the details in high precision (they're in a VM where the integration is broken so I can't copy/paste). 923618 ~120MB July27,2007 934736 ~13MB Sept12,2007 975051 0.6MB Sept 9,2009 2760494 0.5MB Oct 9,2013 That gives you a rough idea, that the first file released, was functionality/bug style fix. And as time goes on, the support drops to security or trivial stuff. (Trivial in terms of file size.) There is another file, in a separate glb (global?) folder 2456849 1.2MB Dec. 9,2010 Paul |
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Paul wrote, On 3/31/2014 9:33 PM:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: The source winston was quoting said "Support for Office 2003 .. is ending .. after that date .. will no longer receive the following: ... Software updates from Microsoft Update ... It's not clear to me (and I suspect most others!) whether that line just means no _new_ updates will be generated, or whether even _existing_ updates will stop being receivable (i. e. the server will be turned off). For XP, as opposed to Office 2003, the consensus seems to be that the server won't be turned off, so I suspect the same applies to the server for Office 2003. It would mean no new updates. Correct. Like previous EOL products the time frame of the disappearance of what WU/MU pushed prior (and after EOL) are not coincidental. Also possibly of note..as WU engine evolves and update its engine, earlier deprecated O/S may not be capable of upgrading to a later version thus throttling what was available and thus the removal of updates previously available. i.e. Updates have more than one reason that impacts their availability ('in perpetuity' is not one of them).\ ...winston |
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In message , Paul
writes: J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: The source winston was quoting said "Support for Office 2003 .. is ending .. after that date .. will no longer receive the following: ... Software updates from Microsoft Update ... It's not clear to me (and I suspect most others!) whether that line just means no _new_ updates will be generated, or whether even _existing_ updates will stop being receivable (i. e. the server will be turned off). For XP, as opposed to Office 2003, the consensus seems to be that the server won't be turned off, so I suspect the same applies to the server for Office 2003. It would mean no new updates. As written, it's ambiguous - though for once _I_ don't think deliberately so. "... will no longer receive ... updates", on the face of it, means of any sort; however, most of us are choosing to believe that that only applies to _new_ updates, and that the existing ones will remain available at least for a little while - in fact I'm pretty sure I've seen that confirmed by Microsoft as far as XP is concerned (the above quote related to Office 2003). And as for serving the existing updates, they're available today. But we don't know how long they might last (be served for free). In the o2K3 folder, there are four files under "enu". I didn't want to type out all the details in high precision (they're in a VM where the integration is broken so I can't copy/paste). 923618 ~120MB July27,2007 934736 ~13MB Sept12,2007 975051 0.6MB Sept 9,2009 2760494 0.5MB Oct 9,2013 That gives you a rough idea, that the first file released, was functionality/bug style fix. And as time goes on, the support drops to security or trivial stuff. (Trivial in terms of file size.) Hmm. Mine looks like this: C:\wsusoffline\client\o2k3\enudir Volume in drive C is system Volume Serial Number is 70CB-A7A2 Directory of C:\wsusoffline\client\o2k3\enu 2014-03-05 09:49 DIR . 2014-03-05 09:49 DIR .. 2013-10-09 07:45 518,960 office2003-KB2760494-FullFile-ENU.exe 2009-09-09 23:39 634,776 office2003-KB975051-FullFile-ENU.exe 2007-07-27 17:09 123,368,360 Office2003SP3-KB923618-FullFile-ENU.exe 2007-09-13 00:38 12,874,840 WordViewer2003SP3-KB934736-FullFile-ENU.exe 4 File(s) 137,396,936 bytes There is another file, in a separate glb (global?) folder 2456849 1.2MB Dec. 9,2010 Paul I have that one too: C:\wsusoffline\client\o2k3\glbdir Volume in drive C is system Volume Serial Number is 70CB-A7A2 Directory of C:\wsusoffline\client\o2k3\glb 2014-03-05 09:46 DIR . 2014-03-05 09:46 DIR .. 2010-12-09 20:40 1,213,344 office2003-KB2456849-FullFile-ENU.exe 1 File(s) 1,213,344 bytes -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf 31.69 nHz = once a year. (Julian Thomas) |
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