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In ,
DK typed:
In article , "Neil Gould"
wrote:
This really reminds me
of the whining that went on after MS dropped support for DOS. It was
pointless then, and it's pointless now.

If it did, it went remarkably smoothly. I just tried two DOS programs
on XP and both run in full screen mode just fine. Even the graphics
page in SigmaPlot for DOS still works.

I believe only 32 bit Windows can run DOS programs. And XP was the last
version of Windows that can natively run DOS in a full screen.

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On 22/07/2014 18:50, Big Al wrote:
BillW50 wrote on 7/22/2014 1:37 PM:
On 7/22/2014 12:24 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
This morning Mozila released its most recent versions of Thunderbird and
Firefox.

Mozilla continues to improve its email/newsreader Thunderbird with the
release of version 31.

Geez! A jump from 24.6.0 to 31? What happened to 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, and
30? By the way, portable apps doesn't have it yet. It usually takes a
few days for a new release.

Firefox is now at Version 31.0 and has many changes that make the
program even better than before.

I am still waiting for the promised Metro support. It was there briefly
in 26 or was it 27, then it disappeared. Quite frankly, 27 and 31 all
look and work the same on the desktop. Maybe the higher version numbers
only adds more Google spying backdoors or something.

You're right. I had version 24.x and I checked "About" and now I'm at
31.x Whew. We'll be at version 100 at this pace.
Maybe they should number 20140722 and skip the 31,32,33 etc. Just use
the date.


The whole number is the version of Firefox it's based on. They no longer
bother to keep up with Firefox but just jump ahead to catch up every now
and then.

Right now both Thunderbird and Firefox are at version 31.0.

Most likely when Firefox 32.0 comes out Thunderbird will go to 31.1.

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On 22/07/2014 22:22, BillW50 wrote:
On 7/22/2014 3:03 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 7/22/2014 2:34 PM, Leala wrote:
On 22-Jul-2014 13:37, BillW50 wrote:
On 7/22/2014 12:24 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
This morning Mozila released its most recent versions of Thunderbird
and
Firefox.

Mozilla continues to improve its email/newsreader Thunderbird with the
release of version 31.

Geez! A jump from 24.6.0 to 31? What happened to 25, 26, 27, 28, 29,
and
30? By the way, portable apps doesn't have it yet. It usually takes a
few days for a new release.

Because 25 to 30 where all beta versions.
https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla....bird/releases/

snipped the rest of the bitching

Gecko version 25 to 30 of Thunderbird were releast as version 24.1
through 24.6

Very odd. No sense keeping everything sensible eh?


Not odd at all.

No point putting most of the changes to Firefox into Thunderbird since
compared to Firefox it needs only relatively basic HTML viewer capabilities.

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Neil Gould wrote:

DK wrote:

I just tried two DOS programs
on XP and both run in full screen mode just fine. Even the graphics
page in SigmaPlot for DOS still works.

Absolutely. And, Windows 8.1x doesn't change that...

Actually I thought Win8 *did* drop 16bit emulation within the CMD
window? So you might need something like DOSEMU to run SOPWITH.EXE now :-)

Andy Burns wrote:
Neil Gould wrote:

DK wrote:

I just tried two DOS programs
on XP and both run in full screen mode just fine. Even the graphics
page in SigmaPlot for DOS still works.

Absolutely. And, Windows 8.1x doesn't change that...

Actually I thought Win8 *did* drop 16bit emulation within the CMD
window? So you might need something like DOSEMU to run SOPWITH.EXE now :-)

Did you test this on a 32 bit install of Windows 8 ?

Paul

Paul wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Actually I thought Win8 *did* drop 16bit emulation within the CMD
window? So you might need something like DOSEMU to run SOPWITH.EXE now :-)

Did you test this on a 32 bit install of Windows 8 ?

No, only have 64bit installations ...

In o.uk,
Andy Burns typed on Fri, 25 Jul 2014 08:21:40 +0100:
Paul wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Actually I thought Win8 *did* drop 16bit emulation within the CMD
window? So you might need something like DOSEMU to run SOPWITH.EXE
now :-)

Did you test this on a 32 bit install of Windows 8 ?

No, only have 64bit installations ...

I have ran WordStar for DOS under Windows 8 32 bit. Full Screen mode
hasn't work since XP though.

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On 7/25/2014 3:52 AM, BillW50 wrote:
In o.uk,
Andy Burns typed on Fri, 25 Jul 2014 08:21:40 +0100:
Paul wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Actually I thought Win8 *did* drop 16bit emulation within the CMD
window? So you might need something like DOSEMU to run SOPWITH.EXE
now :-)

Did you test this on a 32 bit install of Windows 8 ?

No, only have 64bit installations ...

I have ran WordStar for DOS under Windows 8 32 bit. Full Screen mode
hasn't work since XP though.

Not much reason to complain about such limitations, IMO! ;-)
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Neil

In ,
Neil typed:
On 7/25/2014 3:52 AM, BillW50 wrote:
In o.uk,
Andy Burns typed on Fri, 25 Jul 2014 08:21:40 +0100:
Paul wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Actually I thought Win8 *did* drop 16bit emulation within the CMD
window? So you might need something like DOSEMU to run SOPWITH.EXE
now :-)

Did you test this on a 32 bit install of Windows 8 ?

No, only have 64bit installations ...

I have ran WordStar for DOS under Windows 8 32 bit. Full Screen mode
hasn't work since XP though.

Not much reason to complain about such limitations, IMO! ;-)

Lots of programmers and writers still prefer WordStar since you keep
your hands on the keyboard to do anything. No need to reach for Function
keys, arrow keys, home, etc. Far most productive method for inputting
text, etc.

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On Tue, 22 Jul 2014 15:03:14 -0700, DevilsPGD
wrote:

In the last episode of , Melzzzzz
said:

I think that Mozilla said that support for Metro is dropped
on purpose, because of lack of users.

Yes, but I'd argue that the lack of users was due to the terrible state
of the product. It's a chicken and egg problem.

By product, I assume you mean the Windows Modern UI (fka Metro).

In the last episode of
, Andy Burns
said:

Neil Gould wrote:

DK wrote:

I just tried two DOS programs
on XP and both run in full screen mode just fine. Even the graphics
page in SigmaPlot for DOS still works.

Absolutely. And, Windows 8.1x doesn't change that...

Actually I thought Win8 *did* drop 16bit emulation within the CMD
window? So you might need something like DOSEMU to run SOPWITH.EXE now :-)

Windows Vista+ x64 dropped 16-bit virtualization, as well as the entire
hybrid/emulation crap that command.com tried to do.

You can still use a full virtual machine to run a 16-bit or 32-bit OS
capable of running 16-bit code.

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In the last episode of ,
Char Jackson said:

On Tue, 22 Jul 2014 15:03:14 -0700, DevilsPGD
wrote:

In the last episode of , Melzzzzz
said:

I think that Mozilla said that support for Metro is dropped
on purpose, because of lack of users.

Yes, but I'd argue that the lack of users was due to the terrible state
of the product. It's a chicken and egg problem.

By product, I assume you mean the Windows Modern UI (fka Metro).

No, I mean Mozilla's attempt to create a usable UI on Windows Modern UI.
It didn't work, and wasn't functional, while many developers are able to
come up with very functional products.

However, Chrome hasn't made it work yet, so Mozilla doesn't know what to
copy. Chrome attempts to create a classic "desktop" look (ultimately, I
think they want to turn it into ChromeOS for Windows), rather than
creating a touch-friendly interface.

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