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The MVP question (was - 10 Sucks !)
On 15 Jan 2019, "David B." "David wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10: Here's the site of my protégé, a fellow of whom I'm enormously proud. You'll even find a 'Recommendation' from me there! ;-) Also known as "The kiss of Betrayal and Death". |
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On Tue, 15 Jan 2019 20:55:29 -0000, David B. "David wrote:
On 15/01/2019 20:40, Commander Kinsey wrote: On Sun, 13 Jan 2019 21:30:42 -0000, David B. "David wrote: [....] Randy Knobloch was listed on LinkedIn as a Security Consultant In fact, we messaged one another! You mean LinkedIn is a real place? I just get spam from them from people I've never heard of wanting to engage in some kind of conversation about a business I'm not in. It is! :-) Here's the site of my protégé, a fellow of whom I'm enormously proud. https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathan...orth-97498226/ You'll even find a 'Recommendation' from me there! ;-) I don't know how I ever got a linkedin account, but I constantly get messages from people wanting to "connect" with me whatever that means. So what's the purpose of this site? Is it like a lonely hearts thing for businessmen? |
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On 16/01/2019 18:25, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 23:15:05 -0000, David B. "David wrote: On 14/01/2019 21:16, Commander Kinsey wrote: On Sat, 12 Jan 2019 15:59:19 -0000, David B. "David wrote: On 12/01/2019 15:20, Commander Kinsey wrote: On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 00:30:13 -0000, David B. "David wrote: On 10/01/2019 23:36, Ken Blake wrote: On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 22:43:52 -0000, "Commander Kinsey" wrote: On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 22:37:31 -0000, David B. "David wrote: How have you fared with the Microsoft Communities forums? https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us I just get useless answers from there.* Nobody understands the question being asked. That's if I'm thinking of the same place as you, I'm referring to where a M$ representative answers for you.* They call themselves MVPs or something, and have no clue about anything. An MVP is *not* a Microsoft representative. MVP stands for "Most Valuable Professional" and it's an honorary title granted to people who have been consistently helpful in answering questions. Three other points: 1. Questions can be and are answered by anybody. It's not always an MVP. 2. MVPs, like any other category, vary in how much they know and how good they are at explaining something. Some know a lot, others know much less. But as a general rule, most MVPs are very good. And some ordinary, non-MVPs in the Microsoft forums are also very good. 3. Besides MVPs and other ordinary non-MVPs, occasionally a Microsoft contractor (not an employee) answers a question. There are a few exceptions--some of those Microsoft contractors are also very good--but most of those people are terrible at answering questions. For most of them, English is a second language, and besides expressing themselves terribly, they often don't understand the question. Fortunately, it's a small percentage of answers that come from those contractors. But the forums would be a better place if Microsoft would stop using them. I've several times suggested to Microsoft employees that they stop using them, but I've been ignored. What you say is correct, Mr Blake. There's no need to be quite so modest though. You should be PROUD of having being awarded the MVP accolade! :-) https://social.technet.microsoft.com...crosoft%20mvp/ I had a notion that you were once a member of the VSOPs too, but cannot find you featured on the 'rogues gallery', so perhaps I am mistaken! http://www.aumha.org/vsop.htm I expect you know some of the names listed there. There's one notable fellow missing on that particular showing though. Randy Knobloch aka siljaline (AH-VSOP) Randy Knobloch ROTFPMSL!* Like that's his real name. Difficult to believe, isn't it?!!!!! ;-) I guess he gets an erection when swimming in a Scottish lake. Ha! He's Canadian. Swimming in a cold lake is quite titillating actually. Do you have first-hand experience of this?!!! -- David B. |
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On 16/01/2019 20:34, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jan 2019 20:55:29 -0000, David B. "David wrote: On 15/01/2019 20:40, Commander Kinsey wrote: On Sun, 13 Jan 2019 21:30:42 -0000, David B. "David wrote: [....] Randy Knobloch was listed on LinkedIn as a Security Consultant In fact, we messaged one another! You mean LinkedIn is a real place?* I just get spam from them from people I've never heard of wanting to engage in some kind of conversation about a business I'm not in. It is! :-) Here's the site of my protégé, a fellow of whom I'm enormously proud. https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathan...orth-97498226/ You'll even find a 'Recommendation' from me there! ;-) I don't know how I ever got a linkedin account, but I constantly get messages from people wanting to "connect" with me whatever that means. So what's the purpose of this site?* Is it like a lonely hearts thing for businessmen? Send me a contact request and I'll explain there in the 'message' facility. Usenet is not the best place to communicate if one wishes to include personal information. -- David B. |
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The MVP question (was - 10 Sucks !)
David B. wrote:
On 16/01/2019 18:25, Commander Kinsey wrote: On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 23:15:05 -0000, David B. "David wrote: On 14/01/2019 21:16, Commander Kinsey wrote: On Sat, 12 Jan 2019 15:59:19 -0000, David B. "David wrote: On 12/01/2019 15:20, Commander Kinsey wrote: On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 00:30:13 -0000, David B. "David wrote: On 10/01/2019 23:36, Ken Blake wrote: On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 22:43:52 -0000, "Commander Kinsey" wrote: On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 22:37:31 -0000, David B. "David wrote: How have you fared with the Microsoft Communities forums? https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us I just get useless answers from there. Nobody understands the question being asked. That's if I'm thinking of the same place as you, I'm referring to where a M$ representative answers for you. They call themselves MVPs or something, and have no clue about anything. An MVP is *not* a Microsoft representative. MVP stands for "Most Valuable Professional" and it's an honorary title granted to people who have been consistently helpful in answering questions. Three other points: 1. Questions can be and are answered by anybody. It's not always an MVP. 2. MVPs, like any other category, vary in how much they know and how good they are at explaining something. Some know a lot, others know much less. But as a general rule, most MVPs are very good. And some ordinary, non-MVPs in the Microsoft forums are also very good. 3. Besides MVPs and other ordinary non-MVPs, occasionally a Microsoft contractor (not an employee) answers a question. There are a few exceptions--some of those Microsoft contractors are also very good--but most of those people are terrible at answering questions. For most of them, English is a second language, and besides expressing themselves terribly, they often don't understand the question. Fortunately, it's a small percentage of answers that come from those contractors. But the forums would be a better place if Microsoft would stop using them. I've several times suggested to Microsoft employees that they stop using them, but I've been ignored. What you say is correct, Mr Blake. There's no need to be quite so modest though. You should be PROUD of having being awarded the MVP accolade! :-) https://social.technet.microsoft.com...crosoft%20mvp/ I had a notion that you were once a member of the VSOPs too, but cannot find you featured on the 'rogues gallery', so perhaps I am mistaken! http://www.aumha.org/vsop.htm I expect you know some of the names listed there. There's one notable fellow missing on that particular showing though. Randy Knobloch aka siljaline (AH-VSOP) Randy Knobloch ROTFPMSL! Like that's his real name. Difficult to believe, isn't it?!!!!! ;-) I guess he gets an erection when swimming in a Scottish lake. Ha! He's Canadian. Swimming in a cold lake is quite titillating actually. Do you have first-hand experience of this?!!! Our biggest lakes still have open water. https://www.weather.gov/images/cle/I..._thickness.jpg However, any small bodies of water now, are frozen, with a couple feet of ice on top. Temperatures range from -20C to -35C or so, depending on where you are. Bring a towel. Ice skates. And a parka. My limit for ice skating, is -20C, because you can't handle very much "wind chill" effect at -20C without getting in trouble. People are driving Skidoos across those smaller lakes. And driving cars. (There's an ice route about an hour from me, where you drive across the middle of a large lake, on a plowed-off section.) Many of our bodies of water, you'll do no swimming, unless you find a thin spot and fall through. ******* Where I used to live, this time of year everyone takes a shovel and their ice skates down to the lake. We shovel off four or five NHL sized skating rinks (for hockey). Plus shovel a two mile diameter "path" for people to skate around the lake. (You'll work up a hell of a sweat helping with that.) The worst part about that lake, is the ice tends to be weak around the edges, and you have to know where to enter. The center of the lake, the ice is quite thick. And the ice makes these great "cracking" sounds, which propagate across the lake and scare the unfamiliar. People have bonfires out on the ice, using old tires and Christmas trees as fuel. (No, the bonfire doesn't necessarily fall through either. The charred remains will be on the surface the next day.) I've skated on that lake, when there were two layers of ice with several feet of water in between them. And as I ice skated, a "crack" was following me around the lake. The faster you skate, the safer you are. You only do that in daylight, so you can see what you're doing. People also skate there at night, and the combination of cracking sounds and pitch black conditions, cannot be beat. If it wasn't pitch black, how would you see the bonfires ? Good times... On Jan1, people swim in the ocean here. For maybe ten seconds. That's the Polar Bear Club swim. (There are several cities that conduct these events.) It's a kind of idiocy test. And no, they don't throw you in. You have to enter on your own. And volunteering to enter, is the "personality test". Getting out is easy. These are generally done in shallow water, so someone in a dry suit can pull you out if needed. The fire departments here, are equipped to extricate fools from cold water :-) (Zodiac, boat trailer, dry suits, there's such a setup only a ten minute drive from me, ready to go. Call 911 if you need help.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_bear_plunge Paul |
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On 18/01/2019 00:28, Paul wrote:
David B. wrote: On 16/01/2019 18:25, Commander Kinsey wrote: On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 23:15:05 -0000, David B. "David wrote: On 14/01/2019 21:16, Commander Kinsey wrote: On Sat, 12 Jan 2019 15:59:19 -0000, David B. "David wrote: On 12/01/2019 15:20, Commander Kinsey wrote: On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 00:30:13 -0000, David B. "David wrote: On 10/01/2019 23:36, Ken Blake wrote: On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 22:43:52 -0000, "Commander Kinsey" wrote: On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 22:37:31 -0000, David B. "David wrote: How have you fared with the Microsoft Communities forums? https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us I just get useless answers from there.* Nobody understands the question being asked. That's if I'm thinking of the same place as you, I'm referring to where a M$ representative answers for you.* They call themselves MVPs or something, and have no clue about anything. An MVP is *not* a Microsoft representative. MVP stands for "Most Valuable Professional" and it's an honorary title granted to people who have been consistently helpful in answering questions. Three other points: 1. Questions can be and are answered by anybody. It's not always an MVP. 2. MVPs, like any other category, vary in how much they know and how good they are at explaining something. Some know a lot, others know much less. But as a general rule, most MVPs are very good. And some ordinary, non-MVPs in the Microsoft forums are also very good. 3. Besides MVPs and other ordinary non-MVPs, occasionally a Microsoft contractor (not an employee) answers a question. There are a few exceptions--some of those Microsoft contractors are also very good--but most of those people are terrible at answering questions. For most of them, English is a second language, and besides expressing themselves terribly, they often don't understand the question. Fortunately, it's a small percentage of answers that come from those contractors. But the forums would be a better place if Microsoft would stop using them. I've several times suggested to Microsoft employees that they stop using them, but I've been ignored. What you say is correct, Mr Blake. There's no need to be quite so modest though. You should be PROUD of having being awarded the MVP accolade! :-) https://social.technet.microsoft.com...crosoft%20mvp/ I had a notion that you were once a member of the VSOPs too, but cannot find you featured on the 'rogues gallery', so perhaps I am mistaken! http://www.aumha.org/vsop.htm I expect you know some of the names listed there. There's one notable fellow missing on that particular showing though. Randy Knobloch aka siljaline (AH-VSOP) Randy Knobloch ROTFPMSL!* Like that's his real name. Difficult to believe, isn't it?!!!!! ;-) I guess he gets an erection when swimming in a Scottish lake. Ha! He's Canadian. Swimming in a cold lake is quite titillating actually. Do you have first-hand experience of this?!!! Our biggest lakes still have open water. https://www.weather.gov/images/cle/I..._thickness.jpg However, any small bodies of water now, are frozen, with a couple feet of ice on top. Temperatures range from -20C to -35C or so, depending on where you are. Bring a towel. Ice skates. And a parka. My limit for ice skating, is -20C, because you can't handle very much "wind chill" effect at -20C without getting in trouble. People are driving Skidoos across those smaller lakes. And driving cars. (There's an ice route about an hour from me, where you drive across the middle of a large lake, on a plowed-off section.) Many of our bodies of water, you'll do no swimming, unless you find a thin spot and fall through. ******* Where I used to live, this time of year everyone takes a shovel and their ice skates down to the lake. We shovel off four or five NHL sized skating rinks (for hockey). Plus shovel a two mile diameter "path" for people to skate around the lake. (You'll work up a hell of a sweat helping with that.) The worst part about that lake, is the ice tends to be weak around the edges, and you have to know where to enter. The center of the lake, the ice is quite thick. And the ice makes these great "cracking" sounds, which propagate across the lake and scare the unfamiliar. People have bonfires out on the ice, using old tires and Christmas trees as fuel. (No, the bonfire doesn't necessarily fall through either. The charred remains will be on the surface the next day.) I've skated on that lake, when there were two layers of ice with several feet of water in between them. And as I ice skated, a "crack" was following me around the lake. The faster you skate, the safer you are. You only do that in daylight, so you can see what you're doing. People also skate there at night, and the combination of cracking sounds and pitch black conditions, cannot be beat. If it wasn't pitch black, how would you see the bonfires ? Good times... On Jan1, people swim in the ocean here. For maybe ten seconds. That's the Polar Bear Club swim. (There are several cities that conduct these events.) It's a kind of idiocy test. And no, they don't throw you in. You have to enter on your own. And volunteering to enter, is the "personality test". Getting out is easy. These are generally done in shallow water, so someone in a dry suit can pull you out if needed. The fire departments here, are equipped to extricate fools from cold water :-) (Zodiac, boat trailer, dry suits, there's such a setup only a ten minute drive from me, ready to go. Call 911 if you need help.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_bear_plunge ** Paul Great fun post, Paul! :-) -- David B. |
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On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 00:28:12 -0000, Paul wrote:
David B. wrote: On 16/01/2019 18:25, Commander Kinsey wrote: On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 23:15:05 -0000, David B. "David wrote: On 14/01/2019 21:16, Commander Kinsey wrote: On Sat, 12 Jan 2019 15:59:19 -0000, David B. "David wrote: On 12/01/2019 15:20, Commander Kinsey wrote: On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 00:30:13 -0000, David B. "David wrote: On 10/01/2019 23:36, Ken Blake wrote: On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 22:43:52 -0000, "Commander Kinsey" wrote: On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 22:37:31 -0000, David B. "David wrote: How have you fared with the Microsoft Communities forums? https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us I just get useless answers from there. Nobody understands the question being asked. That's if I'm thinking of the same place as you, I'm referring to where a M$ representative answers for you. They call themselves MVPs or something, and have no clue about anything. An MVP is *not* a Microsoft representative. MVP stands for "Most Valuable Professional" and it's an honorary title granted to people who have been consistently helpful in answering questions. Three other points: 1. Questions can be and are answered by anybody. It's not always an MVP. 2. MVPs, like any other category, vary in how much they know and how good they are at explaining something. Some know a lot, others know much less. But as a general rule, most MVPs are very good. And some ordinary, non-MVPs in the Microsoft forums are also very good. 3. Besides MVPs and other ordinary non-MVPs, occasionally a Microsoft contractor (not an employee) answers a question. There are a few exceptions--some of those Microsoft contractors are also very good--but most of those people are terrible at answering questions. For most of them, English is a second language, and besides expressing themselves terribly, they often don't understand the question. Fortunately, it's a small percentage of answers that come from those contractors. But the forums would be a better place if Microsoft would stop using them. I've several times suggested to Microsoft employees that they stop using them, but I've been ignored. What you say is correct, Mr Blake. There's no need to be quite so modest though. You should be PROUD of having being awarded the MVP accolade! :-) https://social.technet.microsoft.com...crosoft%20mvp/ I had a notion that you were once a member of the VSOPs too, but cannot find you featured on the 'rogues gallery', so perhaps I am mistaken! http://www.aumha.org/vsop.htm I expect you know some of the names listed there. There's one notable fellow missing on that particular showing though. Randy Knobloch aka siljaline (AH-VSOP) Randy Knobloch ROTFPMSL! Like that's his real name. Difficult to believe, isn't it?!!!!! ;-) I guess he gets an erection when swimming in a Scottish lake. Ha! He's Canadian. Swimming in a cold lake is quite titillating actually. Do you have first-hand experience of this?!!! Our biggest lakes still have open water. https://www.weather.gov/images/cle/I..._thickness.jpg However, any small bodies of water now, are frozen, with a couple feet of ice on top. Temperatures range from -20C to -35C or so, depending on where you are. Bring a towel. Ice skates. And a parka. My limit for ice skating, is -20C, because you can't handle very much "wind chill" effect at -20C without getting in trouble. People are driving Skidoos across those smaller lakes. And driving cars. (There's an ice route about an hour from me, where you drive across the middle of a large lake, on a plowed-off section.) Many of our bodies of water, you'll do no swimming, unless you find a thin spot and fall through. ******* Where I used to live, this time of year everyone takes a shovel and their ice skates down to the lake. We shovel off four or five NHL sized skating rinks (for hockey). Plus shovel a two mile diameter "path" for people to skate around the lake. (You'll work up a hell of a sweat helping with that.) The worst part about that lake, is the ice tends to be weak around the edges, and you have to know where to enter. The center of the lake, the ice is quite thick. And the ice makes these great "cracking" sounds, which propagate across the lake and scare the unfamiliar. People have bonfires out on the ice, using old tires and Christmas trees as fuel. (No, the bonfire doesn't necessarily fall through either. The charred remains will be on the surface the next day.) I've skated on that lake, when there were two layers of ice with several feet of water in between them. And as I ice skated, a "crack" was following me around the lake. The faster you skate, the safer you are. You only do that in daylight, so you can see what you're doing. People also skate there at night, and the combination of cracking sounds and pitch black conditions, cannot be beat. If it wasn't pitch black, how would you see the bonfires ? Good times... On Jan1, people swim in the ocean here. For maybe ten seconds. That's the Polar Bear Club swim. (There are several cities that conduct these events.) It's a kind of idiocy test. And no, they don't throw you in. You have to enter on your own. And volunteering to enter, is the "personality test". Getting out is easy. These are generally done in shallow water, so someone in a dry suit can pull you out if needed. The fire departments here, are equipped to extricate fools from cold water :-) (Zodiac, boat trailer, dry suits, there's such a setup only a ten minute drive from me, ready to go. Call 911 if you need help.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_bear_plunge Are you serious? 10 seconds? Water is never cold enough to get out that quickly. I can swim in zero degrees C water for a couple of hours. Humans are warm blooded. Shivering doesn't mean you're going to die, it means you've lost 1 or 2C (out of 17C required to die) and your body is shivering to prevent further heat loss, not to mention brown fat cells generating heat, and of course limiting heat loss by adjusting blood flow to the skin. |
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In article , Commander Kinsey
wrote: On Jan1, people swim in the ocean here. For maybe ten seconds. That's the Polar Bear Club swim. (There are several cities that conduct these events.) It's a kind of idiocy test. And no, they don't throw you in. You have to enter on your own. And volunteering to enter, is the "personality test". Getting out is easy. These are generally done in shallow water, so someone in a dry suit can pull you out if needed. The fire departments here, are equipped to extricate fools from cold water :-) (Zodiac, boat trailer, dry suits, there's such a setup only a ten minute drive from me, ready to go. Call 911 if you need help.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_bear_plunge Are you serious? 10 seconds? Water is never cold enough to get out that quickly. it certainly can be. I can swim in zero degrees C water for a couple of hours. not without proper protection for such temps, you can't. at ~0.5c (so that it doesn't turn to ice, which will make swimming rather difficult), you'll lose dexterity within a couple of minutes (i.e., unable to swim anymore), lose consciousness in about 15 minutes and will be dead within the hour. the water would need to be quite a bit warmer to swim 'for a couple of hours' without issue. https://useakayak.org/references/hypothermia_table.html |
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Are you serious? 10 seconds? Water is never cold enough to get out that quickly. I can swim in zero degrees C water for a couple of hours. Humans are warm blooded. Shivering doesn't mean you're going to die, it means you've lost 1 or 2C (out of 17C required to die) and your body is shivering to prevent further heat loss, not to mention brown fat cells generating heat, and of course limiting heat loss by adjusting blood flow to the skin. I have a small amount of experience with it. At 68F, I've swum for two hours. Days when no one else at the beach would go in the water. The trick is to keep moving, and if "standing" in the water, to jog on the spot. That helps balance the heat loss. At 49F, I could swim about 50 feet along a dock, and barely had enough limbs left to grab the ladder and get out. I had a helper on the dock, ready to assist if necessary. And that's wearing swim trunks. By extrapolation, if I was wearing Speedos and fell in the water at 32F, I wouldn't come back up. The distance you could swim would not be very far before you'd seize up. The people who Polar Bear swim, generally try to avoid immersing their head. Usually it's an old fart that gets in to his shoulders. And lots and lots of people just run in and run out again. Paul |
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On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 01:45:35 -0000, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote: I can swim in zero degrees C water for a couple of hours. More bull**** from you. You're an expert in it. A google search will quickly show that what you state is impossible. Here are just a couple of web sites: https://gcaptain.com/cold_water/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...n-hypothermia/ |
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On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 20:00:25 -0000, David B. "David wrote:
On 16/01/2019 20:34, Commander Kinsey wrote: On Tue, 15 Jan 2019 20:55:29 -0000, David B. "David wrote: On 15/01/2019 20:40, Commander Kinsey wrote: On Sun, 13 Jan 2019 21:30:42 -0000, David B. "David wrote: [....] Randy Knobloch was listed on LinkedIn as a Security Consultant In fact, we messaged one another! You mean LinkedIn is a real place? I just get spam from them from people I've never heard of wanting to engage in some kind of conversation about a business I'm not in. It is! :-) Here's the site of my protégé, a fellow of whom I'm enormously proud. https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathan...orth-97498226/ You'll even find a 'Recommendation' from me there! ;-) I don't know how I ever got a linkedin account, but I constantly get messages from people wanting to "connect" with me whatever that means.. So what's the purpose of this site? Is it like a lonely hearts thing for businessmen? Send me a contact request and I'll explain there in the 'message' facility. Usenet is not the best place to communicate if one wishes to include personal information. I don't use linkedin! That's my problem! |
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On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 05:57:33 -0000, Paul wrote:
Commander Kinsey wrote: Are you serious? 10 seconds? Water is never cold enough to get out that quickly. I can swim in zero degrees C water for a couple of hours. Humans are warm blooded. Shivering doesn't mean you're going to die, it means you've lost 1 or 2C (out of 17C required to die) and your body is shivering to prevent further heat loss, not to mention brown fat cells generating heat, and of course limiting heat loss by adjusting blood flow to the skin. I have a small amount of experience with it. At 68F, I've swum for two hours. Days when no one else at the beach would go in the water. The trick is to keep moving, and if "standing" in the water, to jog on the spot. That helps balance the heat loss. At 49F, I could swim about 50 feet along a dock, and barely had enough limbs left to grab the ladder and get out. I had a helper on the dock, ready to assist if necessary. And that's wearing swim trunks. By extrapolation, if I was wearing Speedos and fell in the water at 32F, I wouldn't come back up. The distance you could swim would not be very far before you'd seize up. The people who Polar Bear swim, generally try to avoid immersing their head. Usually it's an old fart that gets in to his shoulders. And lots and lots of people just run in and run out again. There's something seriously wrong with you. It's very easy to find videos on youtube of people going into ice water for 10 or 20 minutes, often swimming under the ice. I'd have a field day if civilisation didn't exist and we had to live outdoors. You'd be huddled up in a corner moaning you wanted a blanket, you're pathetic. |
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On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 17:49:31 -0000, Ken Blake wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 01:45:35 -0000, "Commander Kinsey" wrote: I can swim in zero degrees C water for a couple of hours. More bull**** from you. You're an expert in it. A google search will quickly show that what you state is impossible. For who? Everyone is identical are they? Here are just a couple of web sites: https://gcaptain.com/cold_water/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...n-hypothermia/ Mythbusters showed it's 2 hours for the average person. You're believing the same old wives tales that tell us you catch a cold from being cold. You're so gullible. |
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On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 05:57:33 -0000, Paul wrote:
Commander Kinsey wrote: Are you serious? 10 seconds? Water is never cold enough to get out that quickly. I can swim in zero degrees C water for a couple of hours. Humans are warm blooded. Shivering doesn't mean you're going to die, it means you've lost 1 or 2C (out of 17C required to die) and your body is shivering to prevent further heat loss, not to mention brown fat cells generating heat, and of course limiting heat loss by adjusting blood flow to the skin. I have a small amount of experience with it. At 68F, I've swum for two hours. Days when no one else at the beach would go in the water. The trick is to keep moving, and if "standing" in the water, to jog on the spot. That helps balance the heat loss. At 49F, I could swim about 50 feet along a dock, and barely had enough limbs left to grab the ladder and get out. I had a helper on the dock, ready to assist if necessary. And that's wearing swim trunks. 49F in 1st world measurements is 9.5C. That is not cold by anyone's standards. If I swim in 15C water, I'm too warm, anything over 15C and I often stop, lie on my back and try to cool off a bit. You can't sweat underwater. How cold were you when you got out? Were you shivering? There's no way you could have cooled down enough to shiver in 50 yards, therefore your core body temperature hadn't even dropped by 1C. |
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The MVP question (was - 10 Sucks !)
On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 05:57:33 -0000, Paul wrote:
Commander Kinsey wrote: Are you serious? 10 seconds? Water is never cold enough to get out that quickly. I can swim in zero degrees C water for a couple of hours. Humans are warm blooded. Shivering doesn't mean you're going to die, it means you've lost 1 or 2C (out of 17C required to die) and your body is shivering to prevent further heat loss, not to mention brown fat cells generating heat, and of course limiting heat loss by adjusting blood flow to the skin. I have a small amount of experience with it. At 68F, I've swum for two hours. Days when no one else at the beach would go in the water. The trick is to keep moving, and if "standing" in the water, to jog on the spot. That helps balance the heat loss. At 49F, I could swim about 50 feet along a dock, and barely had enough limbs left to grab the ladder and get out. I had a helper on the dock, ready to assist if necessary. And that's wearing swim trunks. Go find some videos on the internet called "chillygirls" - there are naked women (that's women, and I assume from your name you have a pair of balls so should be braver) in 0C water (that's 9.5C colder than what you were in) for far longer than it would take you to swim 50 yards. Funnily enough they needed no help getting out, and thoroughly enjoyed themselves. On youtube you can find videos of Russians playing chess in 0C water, and even primary school children swimming at 0C. |
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