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Bluetooth standards compatibility
I purchased a BT 4.0 mouse that can also be used az a USB wireless
mouse, using a 2.4Ghz USB dongle. It works fine on my Win10 Lenovo laptop in either mode, but on my older HP Win7 PC the BT connection does not work. I wonder if it is because my HP laptop does not "understand" the BT 4.0 standard or what? Could it be because the BT 4.0 mouse is not downward compatible with possibly an older BT standard used by my Win7 PC? |
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In message , cameo
writes: On 1/6/2019 6:50 PM, pjp wrote: In article , lid says... I purchased a BT 4.0 mouse that can also be used az a USB wireless mouse, using a 2.4Ghz USB dongle. It works fine on my Win10 Lenovo laptop in either mode, but on my older HP Win7 PC the BT connection does not work. I wonder if it is because my HP laptop does not "understand" the BT 4.0 standard or what? Could it be because the BT 4.0 mouse is not downward compatible with possibly an older BT standard used by my Win7 PC? Does your laptop have built-in Bluetooth? Do you see anything to do with Bluetooth under Device Manager? Is there a Bluetooth icon under Network and Sharing Center/Change Adapter Settings? My laptops all require a small add-on USB dongle but obviously newer laptops might have it built- in. Yes it has a built-in BT and I even used it with an older Microsoft Model 5000 mouse till the paint on that mouse just started sticking to my hand, like chocolate. Maybe that mouse was BT 2.0 or 3.0. When you "hunt" - or whatever the right word is for Bluetooth [by the way, for some UK readers "BT" means British Telecom, who do make - or at ;east sell - hardware under their own name!] - with that laptop's Bluetooth, (a) does it "see" the mouse at all, (b) if it does, what does it see it _as_? I have a stranger problem, with a bluetooth speaker: It worked fine with my old XP machine, so it certainly isn't a "too new" version problem. This W7-32 machine "sees" it no problem - but thinks it's a keyboard! (Wants me to type numbers on it to complete the "pairing".) Hence my (b) question. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf An Englishman, even if he is alone, forms an orderly queue of one. (George Mikes in "How to be an Alien".) |
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cameo wrote:
I purchased a BT 4.0 mouse that can also be used az a USB wireless mouse, using a 2.4Ghz USB dongle. It works fine on my Win10 Lenovo laptop in either mode, but on my older HP Win7 PC the BT connection does not work. I wonder if it is because my HP laptop does not "understand" the BT 4.0 standard or what? Could it be because the BT 4.0 mouse is not downward compatible with possibly an older BT standard used by my Win7 PC? Just check in Device Manager on your Win7 PC which Bluetooth version the Bluetooth adapter supports. It should specifically say '4.0'. (Mine says 'Realtek Bluetooth 4.0 Adapter'.) As to whether the Bluetooth mouse is compatible with earlier/lower Bluetooth standards than 4.0, just check its specs, either in TFM or or the manufacturers website. |
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On 1/6/2019 10:28 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , cameo writes: On 1/6/2019 6:50 PM, pjp wrote: In article , lid says... I purchased a BT 4.0 mouse that can also be used az a USB wireless mouse, using a 2.4Ghz USB dongle. It works fine on my Win10 Lenovo laptop in either mode, but on my older HP Win7 PC the BT connection does not work. I wonder if it is because my HP laptop does not "understand" the BT 4.0 standard or what? Could it be because the BT 4.0 mouse is not downward compatible with possibly an older BT standard used by my Win7 PC? *Does your laptop have built-in Bluetooth? Do you see anything to do with Bluetooth under Device Manager? Is there a Bluetooth icon under Network and Sharing Center/Change Adapter Settings? My laptops all require a small add-on USB dongle but obviously newer laptops might have it built- in. Yes it has a built-in BT and I even used it with an older Microsoft Model 5000 mouse till the paint on that mouse just started sticking to my hand, like chocolate. Maybe that mouse was BT 2.0 or 3.0. When you "hunt" - or whatever the right word is for Bluetooth [by the way, for some UK readers "BT" means British Telecom, who do make - or at ;east sell - hardware under their own name!] - with that laptop's Bluetooth, (a) does it "see" the mouse at all, (b) if it does, what does it see it _as_? I have a stranger problem, with a bluetooth speaker: It worked fine with my old XP machine, so it certainly isn't a "too new" version problem. This W7-32 machine "sees" it no problem - but thinks it's a keyboard! (Wants me to type numbers on it to complete the "pairing".) Hence my (b) question. My Win7 laptop does not see the BlueTooth mouse at all, but sees it as a USB optical mouse when I switch it to the 2.4G wireless mode. BTW, the Device Manager shows the Bluetooth device, but I could not find anywhere an indication of what version of BT it might use. Since the date of drivers are all dated 2006, maybe it was the first standard and they did not know that there would be newere standards later. Just like the WWI contemporaries did not call that war WWI, but the Great War. ;-) While at the BlueTooth standards, I wonder if the later versions alow more than one BT connection simultaneously. That was one of the reasons I wanted to have a mouse with dual connection capability. |
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On 1/7/2019 8:01 AM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2019-01-06 22:49, cameo wrote: On 1/6/2019 6:50 PM, pjp wrote: [...] Does your laptop have built-in Bluetooth? Do you see anything to do with Bluetooth under Device Manager? Is there a Bluetooth icon under Network and Sharing Center/Change Adapter Settings? My laptops all require a small add-on USB dongle but obviously newer laptops might have it built- in. Yes it has a built-in BT and I even used it with an older Microsoft Model 5000 mouse till the paint on that mouse just started sticking to my hand, like chocolate. Maybe that mouse was BT 2.0 or 3.0. Like chocolate?Â* heh heh. :-) I clean our mice regularly. They don't stick to anything.... I don't think my case had anything to do with it. It looked more like the paint was degraded with longer exposure to air, or something in the air. First time I noticed it after a long time going without it. |
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On 1/7/2019 3:39 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
cameo wrote: I purchased a BT 4.0 mouse that can also be used az a USB wireless mouse, using a 2.4Ghz USB dongle. It works fine on my Win10 Lenovo laptop in either mode, but on my older HP Win7 PC the BT connection does not work. I wonder if it is because my HP laptop does not "understand" the BT 4.0 standard or what? Could it be because the BT 4.0 mouse is not downward compatible with possibly an older BT standard used by my Win7 PC? Just check in Device Manager on your Win7 PC which Bluetooth version the Bluetooth adapter supports. It should specifically say '4.0'. (Mine says 'Realtek Bluetooth 4.0 Adapter'.) As to whether the Bluetooth mouse is compatible with earlier/lower Bluetooth standards than 4.0, just check its specs, either in TFM or or the manufacturers website. I could not find any reference to downward compatibility either in this Amazon description, or in its meager user manual. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1 |
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On 1/7/2019 7:59 AM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2019-01-06 20:30, cameo wrote: I purchased a BT 4.0 mouse that can also be used az a USB wireless mouse, using a 2.4Ghz USB dongle. It works fine on my Win10 Lenovo laptop in either mode, but on my older HP Win7 PC the BT connection does not work. I wonder if it is because my HP laptop does not "understand" the BT 4.0 standard or what? Could it be because the BT 4.0 mouse is not downward compatible with possibly an older BT standard used by my Win7 PC? Had the same problem with an older laptop with Bluetooth. Would pair up nicely with speakers, but not with the BT mouse. There may an updated driver available, but I haven't bothered looking. In my case, HP lost interest in upgrading its drivers beyond Windows Vista. But otherwise the thing works great with Win7 and I like its construction that allows replacing any major component in it with ease. It's the HP Pavilion model tx-1410us model. |
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cameo wrote:
On 1/7/2019 3:39 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote: cameo wrote: I purchased a BT 4.0 mouse that can also be used az a USB wireless mouse, using a 2.4Ghz USB dongle. It works fine on my Win10 Lenovo laptop in either mode, but on my older HP Win7 PC the BT connection does not work. I wonder if it is because my HP laptop does not "understand" the BT 4.0 standard or what? Could it be because the BT 4.0 mouse is not downward compatible with possibly an older BT standard used by my Win7 PC? Just check in Device Manager on your Win7 PC which Bluetooth version the Bluetooth adapter supports. It should specifically say '4.0'. (Mine says 'Realtek Bluetooth 4.0 Adapter'.) As to whether the Bluetooth mouse is compatible with earlier/lower Bluetooth standards than 4.0, just check its specs, either in TFM or or the manufacturers website. I could not find any reference to downward compatibility either in this Amazon description, or in its meager user manual. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1 The manual [1] says for the 'Bluetooth Basic' connection: "Bluetooth: 4.0 ... System requirement: Bluetooth receiving device Windows 8, Windows 10 or later" Because it says "Bluetooth: 4.0" and "Windows 8" - i.e. not Windows 7 - it's somewhat safe to assume it doesn't support/work_with earlier/ lower Bluetooth standards than 4.0. Because your Device Manager does not mention 4.0, it's safe to assume that your Bluetooth adapter is not 4.0-capable (i.e. probably only 3.0 or even lower (2.0/2.1 or 1.0/1.1/1.2)) [2]. [1] https://www.jellycomb.com/Manual-tp100.html - MS003 [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth |
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cameo wrote:
On 1/7/2019 7:59 AM, Wolf K wrote: On 2019-01-06 20:30, cameo wrote: I purchased a BT 4.0 mouse that can also be used az a USB wireless mouse, using a 2.4Ghz USB dongle. It works fine on my Win10 Lenovo laptop in either mode, but on my older HP Win7 PC the BT connection does not work. I wonder if it is because my HP laptop does not "understand" the BT 4.0 standard or what? Could it be because the BT 4.0 mouse is not downward compatible with possibly an older BT standard used by my Win7 PC? Had the same problem with an older laptop with Bluetooth. Would pair up nicely with speakers, but not with the BT mouse. There may an updated driver available, but I haven't bothered looking. In my case, HP lost interest in upgrading its drivers beyond Windows Vista. But otherwise the thing works great with Win7 and I like its construction that allows replacing any major component in it with ease. It's the HP Pavilion model tx-1410us model. The documentation for this laptop has been removed from the HP website [1], so you can no longer see the specifications, download manuals, etc., so we can not determine what Bluetooth version the BT adapter is. I've found some other webpages, but they just say 'Bluetooth'. That brings me to my general advice, not only to you, but to everyone: When you buy a product, download/save the specifications, manuals, etc. while you can. You may know the specs *now*, but what in X years time? What was the SD spec, the WiFi spec, the LAN spec, the Bluetooth spec, the CPU spec, etc., etc., ad infinitum. And not just for computers, but for any device. [1] https://support.hp.com/us-en/retired-products |
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On 1/8/2019 8:44 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
cameo wrote: On 1/7/2019 7:59 AM, Wolf K wrote: On 2019-01-06 20:30, cameo wrote: I purchased a BT 4.0 mouse that can also be used az a USB wireless mouse, using a 2.4Ghz USB dongle. It works fine on my Win10 Lenovo laptop in either mode, but on my older HP Win7 PC the BT connection does not work. I wonder if it is because my HP laptop does not "understand" the BT 4.0 standard or what? Could it be because the BT 4.0 mouse is not downward compatible with possibly an older BT standard used by my Win7 PC? Had the same problem with an older laptop with Bluetooth. Would pair up nicely with speakers, but not with the BT mouse. There may an updated driver available, but I haven't bothered looking. In my case, HP lost interest in upgrading its drivers beyond Windows Vista. But otherwise the thing works great with Win7 and I like its construction that allows replacing any major component in it with ease. It's the HP Pavilion model tx-1410us model. The documentation for this laptop has been removed from the HP website [1], so you can no longer see the specifications, download manuals, etc., so we can not determine what Bluetooth version the BT adapter is. I've found some other webpages, but they just say 'Bluetooth'. That brings me to my general advice, not only to you, but to everyone: When you buy a product, download/save the specifications, manuals, etc. while you can. You may know the specs *now*, but what in X years time? What was the SD spec, the WiFi spec, the LAN spec, the Bluetooth spec, the CPU spec, etc., etc., ad infinitum. And not just for computers, but for any device. [1] https://support.hp.com/us-en/retired-products Good advise, Frank. Thanks. |
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On 1/8/2019 7:11 AM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2019-01-07 23:11, cameo wrote: On 1/7/2019 8:01 AM, Wolf K wrote: On 2019-01-06 22:49, cameo wrote: [...] Yes it has a built-in BT and I even used it with an older Microsoft Model 5000 mouse till the paint on that mouse just started sticking to my hand, like chocolate. Maybe that mouse was BT 2.0 or 3.0. Like chocolate?Â* heh heh. :-) I clean our mice regularly. They don't stick to anything.... I don't think my case had anything to do with it. It looked more like the paint was degraded with longer exposure to air, or something in the air. First time I noticed it after a long time going without it. Very interesting. I tried cleaning a USB stick with isopropyl alcohol, the coating on it disintegrated. Could be a clue. Yes, that goes along with my thinking, but some chemicals deteriorate with long expose just to oxigen (oxidising,) so who knows ... |
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On Sun, 6 Jan 2019 17:30:28 -0800, cameo wrote:
I purchased a BT 4.0 mouse that can also be used az a USB wireless mouse, using a 2.4Ghz USB dongle. It works fine on my Win10 Lenovo laptop in either mode, but on my older HP Win7 PC the BT connection does not work. I wonder if it is because my HP laptop does not "understand" the BT 4.0 standard or what? Could it be because the BT 4.0 mouse is not downward compatible with possibly an older BT standard used by my Win7 PC? I supposed you've checked to make sure that your Windows 7 machine actually has Bluetooth, and that it's enabled? Bluetooth was not common in laptops of that era; mine lacks it. -- Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA http://BrownMath.com/ http://OakRoadSystems.com/ Shikata ga nai... |
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On Mon, 7 Jan 2019 20:07:36 -0800, cameo wrote:
My Win7 laptop does not see the BlueTooth mouse at all, but sees it as a Please: Bluetooth. Interior capitals seem to intrude themselves in more and more words these days, and needlessly. Official site: https://www.bluetooth.com/ -- Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA http://BrownMath.com/ http://OakRoadSystems.com/ Shikata ga nai... |
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