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Hey Daave.... good points.
I do indeed have a 40 gig hard drive (the internal C: drive). That main internal hard disk has 15 gigs used up leaving 25 gigs of free space. The only external device I'd call a "drive" is an external DVD Burner which is recognized as the F: drive. I also have an internal D: drive, which is a CDROM device (empty most of the time), and an internal E: drive which is a CD burning device. The only external item is the F:drive, and it basically does nothing until I utilize it to make a backup of something. I checked the System Restore tab, and the only drive being monitored by SR is drive C: When the SRService report came up, I assumed it was complaining that not enough "allocated space" was available... space "allocated for SR storage". I don't think it was referring to the overall available space on the hard drive. Anyway, I'm gonna hit the ole phart sack for tonight, and over the next few days we'll see if more restore points are created, now that I've allocated a full 12% of the total disk space to System Restore. The biggest mystery to me still is.... why are there so many .RDB files appearing on those two huge SR folders, and what are .RDB files? I assume that as the space allocated to SR gets filled to the brim, SR will eventually start dropping off the earliest restore points... eventually deleting these huge ones. It will be interesting to see if any more of these gigantic SR folders get created in the next few days. I'll keep you all informed, and I really appreciate the honest efforts of all of you in getting to the bottom of this with me. Have a great night! Dan "Daave" wrote in message ... "Danno" wrote in message news:x1%Zj.163103$Cj7.93855@pd7urf2no... Event Type: Information Event Source: SRService Event Category: None Event ID: 107 Date: 5/22/2008 Time: 3:37:36 AM User: N/A Computer: DANS-COMPUTER Description: The System Restore service has been suspended because there is not enough disk space available on the drive \\?\Volume{95e0434a-0fff-11dd-8ae4-806d6172696f}\. System Restore will automatically resume service once at least 200 MB of free disk space is available on the system drive. For more information, see Help and Support Center at http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp. Something's not adding up! In another post, you said you had 25 GB of free space on your hard drive! So why does System Restore think you have less than 1 GB?! Also, have a look at this page: http://bertk.mvps.org/html/drivedisable.html How many available drives do you have? (Look in the System Restore tab of System Properties.) Gerry asked earlier if there was another drive you were using SR (inadvertently) on. Let's be clear on that issue! If nothing else works, perhaps you should reinstall System Resto http://bertk.mvps.org/html/reinstall.html |
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Danno wrote:
All 4 restore points that I've discussed here are all from the same date.... yesterday. I have not installed anything large at all in the recent past. So those huge restore points are not old ones, they are from only yesterday. THAT is really, really, weird! But at any rate, those large restore points sound quite erroneous, so maybe it's time to start afresh, ya think? (see below). I can manually move them I suppose, but do I dare? Do you mean place them on the desktop for now, or something like that? Do I dare... or should I just let SR take care of them in due course? Not in due course, do it now. Use System Restore to turn them off, and after it finishes, turn it back on again (as I mentioned in an earlier post). Then you will have CLEAN restore points from that point forward (unless there is still something else wrong with your system). What do you have to lose? (You don't need those restore points as it is now, right? Right). The only exception I can think of to that might be if the FIRST one (the earliest time stamp) of those four WAS normal in size, in which case you could (possibly) consider restoring back to that one, (under the assumption that something happened to your system after that first restore point (IF it is a normal size restore point). But this also sounds like a long shot (for trying to "fix" whatever happened). "Daave" wrote in message ... "Bill in Co." wrote in message ... Daave wrote: "Danno" wrote in message news:jF0_j.291776$pM4.35271@pd7urf1no... Hi Bill in Co., Yeah, those two huge SR files are ginormous. I'm really interested in two things he First, what in hell would cause SR to store files that big? I believe it happens whenever a new service pack is installed. OR some huge program, possibly like Office, for example. Actually, in retrospect, perhaps it's not out of fhe question, after installs of very large programs. So maybe he did that (installed either a SP or Office, or whatever) It's not out of the question whatsoever; I'm sure that's what happened. However, one thing *does* puzzle me, from the original post: I've turned off System Restore, re-booted... then turned on System Restore and re-booted again. But it's still the same. Shouldn't this have taken care of the (presumably older) huge restore points? And Danno, regarding your two largest restore points (627 MB and 567 MB), what are their dates? Can you manually move them to another location (in the event you don't want to delete them right away)? |
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Danno
Your rdb files relate to Zone Alarm Specifically the file IAMDB.RDB. It's ZoneAlarm's database of logged intrusion information. If ZoneAlarm is giving you trouble (or causing other programs to not work) the file may be corrupt and you should be able to shut ZoneAlarm down then go to C:\Windows\Internet Logs\ and delete the IAMDB.RDB and, if it exists, BACKUP.RDB, and then restart your computer. A non-corrupt version of IAMDB.RDB will be automatically created. Source: http://filext.com/file-extension/rdb You should not manually tinker with any entries in the System Volume Information folder. I vaguely remember reading about this problem in the past. I will do some research and see if I can find what was the solution. It's obviously not a problem for now given that you have turned Zone Alarm off. -- Hope this helps. Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Danno wrote: All 4 restore points that I've discussed here are all from the same date.... yesterday. I have not installed anything large at all in the recent past. So those huge restore points are not old ones, they are from only yesterday. I can manually move them I suppose, but do I dare? Do you mean place them on the desktop for now, or something like that? Do I dare... or should I just let SR take care of them in due course? "Daave" wrote in message ... "Bill in Co." wrote in message ... Daave wrote: "Danno" wrote in message news:jF0_j.291776$pM4.35271@pd7urf1no... Hi Bill in Co., Yeah, those two huge SR files are ginormous. I'm really interested in two things he First, what in hell would cause SR to store files that big? I believe it happens whenever a new service pack is installed. OR some huge program, possibly like Office, for example. Actually, in retrospect, perhaps it's not out of fhe question, after installs of very large programs. So maybe he did that (installed either a SP or Office, or whatever) It's not out of the question whatsoever; I'm sure that's what happened. However, one thing *does* puzzle me, from the original post: I've turned off System Restore, re-booted... then turned on System Restore and re-booted again. But it's still the same. Shouldn't this have taken care of the (presumably older) huge restore points? And Danno, regarding your two largest restore points (627 MB and 567 MB), what are their dates? Can you manually move them to another location (in the event you don't want to delete them right away)? |
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Danno
Zone Alarm version 6.5 has a bug that creates very large .rdb files within the system. These .rdb files are monitored by System Restore and thus end up in the restore points located in the System Volume Information folder, along with other locations on the system. The best advise is to revert to an earlier version of Zone Alarm. Then disable System Restore which will purge all existing restore points, then turn it back on. For more information on this subject please visit the Zone Labs User Forum. Source: http://bertk.mvps.org/html/srfail.html It would seem Zone Alarm has not rectified the bug in later versions. -- Hope this helps. Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Danno wrote: All 4 restore points that I've discussed here are all from the same date.... yesterday. I have not installed anything large at all in the recent past. So those huge restore points are not old ones, they are from only yesterday. I can manually move them I suppose, but do I dare? Do you mean place them on the desktop for now, or something like that? Do I dare... or should I just let SR take care of them in due course? "Daave" wrote in message ... "Bill in Co." wrote in message ... Daave wrote: "Danno" wrote in message news:jF0_j.291776$pM4.35271@pd7urf1no... Hi Bill in Co., Yeah, those two huge SR files are ginormous. I'm really interested in two things he First, what in hell would cause SR to store files that big? I believe it happens whenever a new service pack is installed. OR some huge program, possibly like Office, for example. Actually, in retrospect, perhaps it's not out of fhe question, after installs of very large programs. So maybe he did that (installed either a SP or Office, or whatever) It's not out of the question whatsoever; I'm sure that's what happened. However, one thing *does* puzzle me, from the original post: I've turned off System Restore, re-booted... then turned on System Restore and re-booted again. But it's still the same. Shouldn't this have taken care of the (presumably older) huge restore points? And Danno, regarding your two largest restore points (627 MB and 567 MB), what are their dates? Can you manually move them to another location (in the event you don't want to delete them right away)? |
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On Sun, 25 May 2008 06:07:38 GMT, Danno wrote:
snip for brevity ...It will be interesting to see if any more of these gigantic SR folders get created in the next few days. You will Danno, you will! You really should be educating yourself about ZA and other 3rd party (so-called) firewalll applications. -- Security is a process not a product. (Bruce Schneier) |
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"Danno" wrote in message
newsL6_j.164186$Cj7.44349@pd7urf2no... "Daave" wrote in message ... "Bill in Co." wrote in message ... Daave wrote: "Danno" wrote in message news:jF0_j.291776$pM4.35271@pd7urf1no... Hi Bill in Co., Yeah, those two huge SR files are ginormous. I'm really interested in two things he First, what in hell would cause SR to store files that big? I believe it happens whenever a new service pack is installed. OR some huge program, possibly like Office, for example. Actually, in retrospect, perhaps it's not out of fhe question, after installs of very large programs. So maybe he did that (installed either a SP or Office, or whatever) It's not out of the question whatsoever; I'm sure that's what happened. However, one thing *does* puzzle me, from the original post: I've turned off System Restore, re-booted... then turned on System Restore and re-booted again. But it's still the same. Shouldn't this have taken care of the (presumably older) huge restore points? And Danno, regarding your two largest restore points (627 MB and 567 MB), what are their dates? Can you manually move them to another location (in the event you don't want to delete them right away)? All 4 restore points that I've discussed here are all from the same date.... yesterday. I have not installed anything large at all in the recent past. So those huge restore points are not old ones, they are from only yesterday. I can manually move them I suppose, but do I dare? Do you mean place them on the desktop for now, or something like that? Do I dare... or should I just let SR take care of them in due course? In retrospect, I agree with Gerry that this would not be a good idea. I suppose you *could* do something like this provided you image your hard drive first. Then if you bork your system, you could just restore the image. But first, you should definitely uninstall Zone Alarm to see if that's the culprit. If you still have the huge points, I would say it's time to reinstall System Restore. Again, for your reference: http://bertk.mvps.org/html/reinstall.html You know, even if you don't manually delete the files (and again, I agree with Gerry that you shouldn't), you *still* should check into imaging your hard drive with a program such as Acronis True Image. It's easiest to save the image to an external hard drive, but CDs/DVDs work, too. |
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That was a wee bit too condescending for my liking.
"Educating myself" is exactly what I'm doing with this long drawn out, patient exercise. If I had a thousand years to live, I still wouldn't have enough time to "educate myself" about all the things that could go wrong with a computer. Especially problems caused by software I paid hard earned money for. I declare my innocence, not my ignorance. "Kayman" wrote in message ... On Sun, 25 May 2008 06:07:38 GMT, Danno wrote: snip for brevity ...It will be interesting to see if any more of these gigantic SR folders get created in the next few days. You will Danno, you will! You really should be educating yourself about ZA and other 3rd party (so-called) firewalll applications. -- Security is a process not a product. (Bruce Schneier) |
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Good morning!
This morning there were no new SR points, although I shouldn't necessarily expect one. So I've created a new SR point and have turned off SR, and re-started it. So now there is only the one new SR point. ZoneAlarm is still turned off and will remain turned off for at least two weeks. I have AVG on my computer but have kept it inactive while ZoneAlarm was active. I can't see any harm in using AVG for the next two weeks (and probably beyond). For you fine folks who have so kindly contributed your thoughts in this thread, it might be several days before I have the evidence I need that things are back to normal. Or maybe they won't be back to normal and I might have to resort to further measures like re-installing System Restore as detailed by Daave. But out of respect for your help, I'll keep posting here (for those who are still interested), as time goes by. We're still in the investigatory stage here. If Zone Alarm is truly the culprit, I'd like to be able to provide the evidence so others won't have to deal with this. Thanks very much for your determination and interest. I'm very impressed with you guys. Dan "Danno" wrote in message news:ayd_j.162924$rd2.119094@pd7urf3no... That was a wee bit too condescending for my liking. "Educating myself" is exactly what I'm doing with this long drawn out, patient exercise. If I had a thousand years to live, I still wouldn't have enough time to "educate myself" about all the things that could go wrong with a computer. Especially problems caused by software I paid hard earned money for. I declare my innocence, not my ignorance. "Kayman" wrote in message ... On Sun, 25 May 2008 06:07:38 GMT, Danno wrote: snip for brevity ...It will be interesting to see if any more of these gigantic SR folders get created in the next few days. You will Danno, you will! You really should be educating yourself about ZA and other 3rd party (so-called) firewalll applications. -- Security is a process not a product. (Bruce Schneier) |
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Kayman wrote:
On Sat, 24 May 2008 09:14:09 -0300, Vincent wrote: Kayman wrote: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/tec...l/default.aspx "Outbound protection is security theaterˇXitˇ¦s a gimmick that only gives the impression of improving your security without doing anything that actually does improve your security." snipped childish over-emotive and misinformed rant snipped make believe security expert drivel If you think that my post was meant as a ringing endorsement of third party firewalls and their marketing hype you misunderstood what I said. I think that 75% or more of the third party firewalls out there are nothing more than junk being marketed and sold with rather dubious claims. If you think that my post was meant to say that the Windows firewall isn't a good firewall you also misunderstood my view of the Windows firewall, the Windows firewall does what it was designed to do very well. Third party software vendors who make claims that the Windows firewall is insecure are engaging in deceptive marketing, I do not dispute this and I agree with you that these companies are engaging in shoddy practices. On the other hand, would you fail and discredit all anti-virus programs because viruses or other malware foiled them? Why not? Anti-virus software programs are foiled and fail every day of the week, why do you not froth at the mouth and tell users to stop using these programs? No one ever said that firewalls cannot be foiled, that is not the point, nothing is fail proof and that includes Microsoft products! What you and others fail to understand is that outbound filtering can foil "some" malware and as such it can alert users of potential problems, a firewall that monitors outbound traffic can be another tool in the fight against pests, get off your high horse with your claims that firewalls can be foiled, we all know that and no one disputes this, your argument is nothing but a red herring! Door locks don't stop all home intrusions, yet few homeowners would do without them! If you say that firewalls are 0% effective at outbound monitoring you are wrong and you are no security expert! If you say that egress traffic is a non issue you truly lack in basic security concepts! But, as I said earlier, that is not the point, the point is that customers have asked Microsoft for a method, via the firewall or by other means, of detecting and controlling egress traffic be it malware related or not. Not all customers want all of their applications to be allowed to send data outside, some customers want to control outbound traffic, they want to know what is sending data outside and that is not an outrageous demand! It is none of yours, or Microsoft's business to be telling customers that they don't need to monitor or control egress traffic, be it malware related or not! If Microsoft doesn't want to supply such a tool that is fine, customers will look to others for solutions, stop berating customers just because they make a simple request for a useful tool to help them with their computing needs! You or Microsoft and others who rant about firewall hypes have not supplied any easy useful solutions to the egress filtering request. Instead, anytime that a Microsoft customer has asked for a way to control egress traffic what you and Microsoft have done is automatically froth at the mouth and engage in a tirade about third party firewalls and the fact that they are not 100% fail safe! No one disputes this and no one has asked or insisted for a 100% fail proof solution, if they did they wouldn't run any Microsoft products because not a single Microsoft product has a 100% mark! Some customers want to control egress traffic for reasons that are completely unrelated to malware, they have a need for egress traffic control, what business of yours is it to tell them that they shouldn't be concerned with egress traffic? Customers have made a simple request, it isn't for you or Microsoft to dictate to customers what they should or should not want to do with their computers. If you cannot supply any useful solutions to that simple demand STFU and stop telling customers what they should want or not want. I repeat once again, anyone who claims that people should not concern themselves with egress traffic and that it should be allowed to go on unchecked is no security expert! Vincent |
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On Sun, 25 May 2008 13:09:26 GMT, Danno wrote:
That was a wee bit too condescending for my liking. "Educating myself" is exactly what I'm doing with this long drawn out, patient exercise. If I had a thousand years to live, I still wouldn't have enough time to "educate myself" about all the things that could go wrong with a computer. Especially problems caused by software I paid hard earned money for. I declare my innocence, not my ignorance. "Kayman" wrote in message ... On Sun, 25 May 2008 06:07:38 GMT, Danno wrote: snip for brevity ...It will be interesting to see if any more of these gigantic SR folders get created in the next few days. You will Danno, you will! You really should be educating yourself about ZA and other 3rd party (so-called) firewalll applications. -- Security is a process not a product. (Bruce Schneier) Wasn't meant to be! But since you object to 'educate' maybe 'fine-tune' or 'improve' would've been a more suitable choice of word(s); Sorry for hurting your feelings. And I declare my inability reading (any) posters emotional stance. BTW, A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is it such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? |
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"Danno" wrote in message
news:ERd_j.164791$Cj7.160654@pd7urf2no... Good morning! This morning there were no new SR points, although I shouldn't necessarily expect one. So I've created a new SR point and have turned off SR, and re-started it. So now there is only the one new SR point. ZoneAlarm is still turned off and will remain turned off for at least two weeks. I have AVG on my computer but have kept it inactive while ZoneAlarm was active. I can't see any harm in using AVG for the next two weeks (and probably beyond). For you fine folks who have so kindly contributed your thoughts in this thread, it might be several days before I have the evidence I need that things are back to normal. Or maybe they won't be back to normal and I might have to resort to further measures like re-installing System Restore as detailed by Daave. But out of respect for your help, I'll keep posting here (for those who are still interested), as time goes by. We're still in the investigatory stage here. If Zone Alarm is truly the culprit, I'd like to be able to provide the evidence so others won't have to deal with this. Thanks for your efforts, too, Danno. We look forward to a definitive cause for future reference! |
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Kayman wrote:
Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? People who forever want to debate the merits of top v bottom posting! -- Hope this helps. Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
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Putting my oar in G - why not use the ERUNT system ; I use it all the time and have turned SR off . On Sun, 25 May 2008 13:09:26 GMT, "Danno" wrote: That was a wee bit too condescending for my liking. "Educating myself" is exactly what I'm doing with this long drawn out, patient exercise. If I had a thousand years to live, I still wouldn't have enough time to "educate myself" about all the things that could go wrong with a computer. Especially problems caused by software I paid hard earned money for. I declare my innocence, not my ignorance. "Kayman" wrote in message ... On Sun, 25 May 2008 06:07:38 GMT, Danno wrote: snip for brevity ...It will be interesting to see if any more of these gigantic SR folders get created in the next few days. You will Danno, you will! You really should be educating yourself about ZA and other 3rd party (so-called) firewalll applications. -- Security is a process not a product. (Bruce Schneier) |
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Or OldTurkey forever saying "what does this have to do with WindowsXP? Do
you see that in the title? It doesn't belong here." LOL. Gerry wrote: Kayman wrote: Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? People who forever want to debate the merits of top v bottom posting! -- Hope this helps. Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
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