Windows 10: Here's why it beats Windows 7 on security!

On 10/3/2016 at 10:45 AM, Shadow's prodigious digits fired off:
On Mon, 03 Oct 2016 19:40:00 +1100, Gordon Levi
wrote:

I have been told that you DON'T have to pay. You can use this
https://www.microsoft.com/en-au/accessibility/windows10upgrade.
I haven't tried it so I would be interested to hear if you any
information that contradicts mine.

The site says on the front page that they are not giving away
Win 10, only an "upgrade" for people who have already PURCHASED Win 7.
So it's not free.

With no money changing hands it IS free.

If you bought a loaf of bread last month and the grocery gives you one
with no money changing hands would you claim that it's not free:

Sheesh!

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Ed Mullen
http://edmullen.net/
When it rains, why don't sheep shrink?

On Mon, 3 Oct 2016 10:48:51 -0400, burfordTjustice
wrote:

On Mon, 03 Oct 2016 11:13:11 -0300
Shadow wrote:

I'm glad you used
your capslock to underline the fact that in the eyes of the law Dustin
is NOT a criminal,

There is no proof for that.

What does he do now, do you know?

As far as I know he works. I've never seen him stalking any
company or person. He knows people that seed DMCA-prohibited stuff,
but then, who doesn't ?
I think the law in the US says "innocent until PROVEN guilty"
.... for now, anyway.
[]'s
--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012

On Mon, 3 Oct 2016 11:58:52 -0400, Ed Mullen
wrote:

On 10/3/2016 at 10:45 AM, Shadow's prodigious digits fired off:

The site says on the front page that they are not giving away
Win 10, only an "upgrade" for people who have already PURCHASED Win 7.
So it's not free.

With no money changing hands it IS free.

There you go ....

If you bought a loaf of bread last month and the grocery gives you one
with no money changing hands would you claim that it's not free:


If I paid the baker for a loaf of brown bread until 2020, and
he promised every loaf would be perfectly SAFE to eat, I'd be REALLY
annoyed if he advised me to change to white bread, because " the brown
bread could easily be poisoned, and we don't care".
M$ advising people to "upgrade" because of "security issues"
is a scam.
[]'s
--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012

On Mon, 3 Oct 2016 12:36:46 -0400, Wolf K
wrote:

On 2016-10-03 11:56, Ed Mullen wrote:
[...]

Well, considering:

1) That's Microsoft Australia so doesn't pertain the the U.S.
2) It's specifically about users of assistive technologies.

And, to quote from the first paragraph: "For the general public, the
free upgrade offer to Windows 10 ends on 29 July."

No problem getting it here (Canada), I just downloaded it. The d/l
window says you can decide when to start the upgrade, but as soon as the
d/l was verified, it began to Install Windows 10.

I'd check my security settings. No downloaded software should
EVER run without user intervention. It would be a ransomware paradise.
[]'s

So I stopped the task
(Windows 10 Upgrade assistant), and will install W10 later. Maybe.

Have a good day,
--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012

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on 10/3/2016, Ed Mullen supposed :

On 10/3/2016 at 10:45 AM, Shadow's prodigious digits fired off:
On Mon, 03 Oct 2016 19:40:00 +1100, Gordon Levi
wrote:

I have been told that you DON'T have to pay. You can use this
https://www.microsoft.com/en-au/accessibility/windows10upgrade.
I haven't tried it so I would be interested to hear if you any
information that contradicts mine.

The site says on the front page that they are not giving away
Win 10, only an "upgrade" for people who have already PURCHASED Win 7.
So it's not free.

With no money changing hands it IS free.

If you bought a loaf of bread last month and the grocery gives you one
with no money changing hands would you claim that it's not free:

Sheesh!

Talk about twisted logic. Okay, how about this?

If they had a sale like "two for the price of one" and I got the last
one off the shelf and expected to get it for half price, and they said
they can't ring it up that way because the register won't accept it, so
instead they make me pay full price and they write on the receipt that
"Customer deserves the other half of a BOGO deal" so that I can come
back later, then yes, I call that not free.

When I come back for my already paid for loaf of bread, they make me
show them the receipt because they are not in the business of giving
away free loaves of bread even if the BOGO is still in effect. Giving
me the already paid for loaf, balances their inventory.

Before you ask, not so much for loaves of bread, but some products
can't be rung up as 'half a deal' because of the register data on some
systems being linked to the inventory and/or reordering data. When they
sell me the loaf of bread at full price during the sale, two loaves are
subtracted from the inventory, so they owe me one.

But as I said in another post, you're not really getting a free OS from
Microsoft, you are getting an extension (or a transference) on the
already paid for product activation key of the authorized Win 7.x or
Win 8.x OS version they think that you already have.

Mark Lloyd has brought this to us :
On 10/02/2016 12:16 PM, FromTheRafters wrote:
Rene Lamontagne explained on 10/2/2016 :

[...]

Well if you really want FREE load Linux and be happy

Rene

I did, and I am. I would have liked it if Microsoft had offered their
free upgrade from Windows Vista to Windows 10 too, but they didn't do that.

I never liked Vista. 7 is sort of OK.

I think 2000 and XP were the best of their efforts.

BTW, the latest Firefox still works on XP.

I have Firefox and Chrome on here, and only Chrome says it is not
supported anymore. Oh well, their choice to stop supporting it.

FromTheRafters was thinking very hard :

Apologies for the formatting or lack of same, I had to C&P the whole
post because of AIOE and it didn't work correctly.

Paul Mon, 03
Oct 2016 10:02:59 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

That requires a qualifying OS. A licensed copy of Win7 SP1
or a licensed copy of Win8.1 . It's the same offer as
existed for the one year long free upgrade offer, only the
offer has been extended. It's intended for disabled users who
would be using Accessibility features.

Paul

So it wasn't free in the true sense of the word then. Hopefully,
that issue is settled. Wishful thinking on my part, though. I know.


--
People you encounter every day are fighting battles you know nothing
about. Be kind.

Shadow
Mon, 03 Oct 2016 14:13:11 GMT in alt.comp.freeware, wrote:

But his father always was ..... could be the reason ...

No doubt in my mind. And, we have no way of knowing what he wrote
about his son was infact, true, either. Due to BD's excessive need to
lie as often as possible, one could reasonably assume his statement
concerning his son wasn't infact, true.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberstalking

Cyberstalking is the use of the Internet or other electronic means to
stalk or harass an individual, a group, or an organization.[1] It may
include false accusations, defamation, slander and libel. It may also
include monitoring, identity theft, threats, vandalism, solicitation
for sex, or gathering information that may be used to threaten,
embarrass or harass.

Cyberstalking is often accompanied by realtime or offline stalking.
[2] Both are criminal offenses.[3] Both are motivated by a desire to
control, intimidate or influence a victim.[4] A stalker may be an
online stranger or a person whom the target knows. He may be
anonymous and solicit involvement of other people online who do not
even know the target.

That sums the individual you replied to up quite nicely, doesn't it.
I suspect he'll continue though, business as usual.

His daily mass consumption of alcohol causes memory loss issues.
The decision I made to no longer respond to his posts seems to be
working quite nicely, too. I dare say it's beginning to **** him off.

He's even gone so far as to try and bait me into conversing directly
with him:

Message-ID:

As I continue to demonstrate that I do have the knowledge required to
do anything he's ever asked of me. That has to be making his blood
boil. At one point, I'm sure he thought I exaggerated my actual
abilities and knowledge. I'm confident he now realizes, I didn't. I
was candid and honest with him concerning both.

He continues to make poor choices. Recently, a fellow brit (whom he
thought at one point would be able to put me in my place) got his ass
royally handed to him with the Dell discussions. That had to have
stung a bit. I found it hillarious, myself.

Now, he's stuck relying on end users and for the most part, bull****
artists for his stalking needs and technical explanations. As those
who could provide answers to some/all of his questions have gotten
wise to him for the most part and won't participate.

I did take the time to provide him another technically working copy
of a short video I created, but, due to his completely unfounded
accusation that I don't speak properly, he's unable to make any use
of it. He can't even get the .zip file to hand it's contents over.
And, he's gone so far as to recruit a british former crypto
specialist (if we're to take his word for it) to assist. They are
unable to do so.

Only one person aside from myself could give him what he needs to be
able to unzip and view it. I gave them the details because they've
earned my trust. I'm confident they don't want to break that trust
they have with me. As I'm sure you've noticed, once it's lost, you
can't ever get it back.

Had he left his wiseass remark out of his request, he would have had
no trouble with the .zip file. His choice, of course. Be a dick, get
treated like one.

I suspect he's been hitting the bottle again. You'd think with his
excessive alcohol consumption that's been taking place for atleast
twenty years, his brain would be royally pickled by now.

--
People you encounter every day are fighting battles you know nothing
about. Be kind.

Ed Mullen wrote:

On 10/3/2016 at 4:40 AM, Gordon Levi's prodigious digits fired off:
Ed Mullen wrote:

On 10/1/2016 at 9:01 PM, Shadow's prodigious digits fired off:
On Sat, 1 Oct 2016 20:52:42 -0400, Ed Mullen
wrote:

On 10/1/2016 at 5:50 PM, Shadow's prodigious digits fired off:
On Sat, 1 Oct 2016 16:14:38 +0200, Z wrote:

Microsoft provide the entire operating system for free.

Not any more.

They never did, unless you are talking about the Alpha testing
stuff.


Well, actually, Windows 10 got on to two machines here that could handle
it for free via the upgrade process. So, yeah, it's fair to say that
they, in large part, gave it away for free.

What were you running on the machine, Debian, Mint, Slackware
? Or a purchased version of Windows ?
If you paid for it (directly or indirectly), it wasn't free.
[]'s


There was no money outlay. Hence, free.

The usual rule in software is free in-version upgrades. i.e., V1 to
V1.1. And charge-for upgrade to new version. i.e., V1 to V2.

To go from XP to Win 7 I had to pay. To go from W7 to W10 I did not pay.
In the grand scheme of things it's accurate to say it was a free
upgrade. And, they had a cut-off date. If you waited until after the
date you DID have to pay for it.

I have been told that you DON'T have to pay. You can use this
https://www.microsoft.com/en-au/accessibility/windows10upgrade.
I haven't tried it so I would be interested to hear if you any
information that contradicts mine.


Well, considering:

1) That's Microsoft Australia so doesn't pertain the the U.S.

In case others also have trouble using a search engine here is the
U.S. site
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade.
2) It's specifically about users of assistive technologies.

Most people use assistive technologies of some sort. I don't think
that Microsoft check your level of disability.

And, to quote from the first paragraph: "For the general public, the
free upgrade offer to Windows 10 ends on 29 July."

Yes but I was told that being in the general public is voluntary.

Shadow wrote:

On Mon, 03 Oct 2016 19:40:00 +1100, Gordon Levi
wrote:

I have been told that you DON'T have to pay. You can use this
https://www.microsoft.com/en-au/accessibility/windows10upgrade.
I haven't tried it so I would be interested to hear if you any
information that contradicts mine.

The site says on the front page that they are not giving away
Win 10, only an "upgrade" for people who have already PURCHASED Win 7.
So it's not free.

You snipped the post that I was replying to. I was only raising doubt
about the claim that the _upgrade_ was no longer free..
Also, if you read the Win 10 (or whatever they call it, they
could have called it Win 7.1) TOS , you will probably decline.

If you make a habit of reading TOS documents there will be almost no
software or web sites that you would use. Best to ignore them and
claim, truthfully, that nobody else reads them and the "reasonable
person" would not expect the conditions they impose.