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One step shutdown
There were 2 events, but I'm only posting one as the other has to do with my
Microtek Scanner Finder (which sometimes doesn't show up, for some reason). Event Type: Error Event Source: Application Error Event Category: None Event ID: 1001 Date: 9/28/2006 Time: 9:35:21 AM User: N/A Computer: CAROL Description: Fault bucket 85524801. There are no Problem Devices. No problems that I can detect today. I've set the Auto Restart button as you said, but...... Tell me, please...... How do I get out of the blue screen Stop error, should it present itself? The info I've found, as per your instructions, seems Pretty slim evidence to go on.......but will be hoping that it tells you more than it does me. 8^) Carol2 "Ronnie Vernon MVP" wrote in message ... Sometimes you don't have a choice. In a case like this, the power button is the only option. In addition to the disk check, you might want to try some other troubleshooting steps to see if this was just a glitch or something more serious. Check the Event Viewer for possible information. Go to start/Run and type eventvwr and press OK. Click the Application menu item on the left and look for any "X" error messages that coincide with when you last saw this behavior. If any are found, double click the error entry to see the details, click the Copy Icon on the right side of the details dialog screen (looks like 2 pages of text) and paste the error details in a reply to this message. You only need to post the text starting with Event Type: and ending with the Description:. You can omit the Data section. ie: Event Type: Error Event Source: source Event Category: category Event ID: ID # Date: date Time: time User: user name Computer: computer name Description: Hanging application program, version, address ---- Next: Go to Start/Run and type msinfo32 and press OK. Click Components/ComponentsProblemDevices to check for possible hardware device problems. If anything is visible in this window, copy the information and post it in a reply. ---- Open Control Panel and double click the System icon. Click the Advanced tab, look in the Startup and Recovery section and press the Settings button. In the System Failure section, remove the check mark from the Automatically Restart option. Apply/OK. This will allow any blue screen error messages to be displayed. If you do see a blue screen "STOP" error, always write down the first line of the message. -- Ronnie Vernon Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User "Carol2" wrote in message ... Hi Ronnie.... As a person who is constantly preaching against using the power button (& even the 3-finger salute) to shut down Windows, I suddenly found myself in a situation where I had no choice (that I could see) this morning. My WinXP Media Center Ed. pc is 1 mo. old & runs 24/7 (tho it has been rebooted frequently, since I am still in the process of Slowly installing programs.....a few at a time). When I turned on the LCD monitor this morning, the screen saver was frozen & mouse/keyboard couldn't cancel it to bring up the desktop. I've never had this happen before on my old WinXP HE. Everything Seems to be OK, but I plan to run a thorough CheckDisk tonight to be, hopefully, be sure I haven't caused any damage. I currently have 2 MB ram, & the only change to the system this week has been a change from dial-up to high speed cable (on Mon). Can you think of any other way I could have proceeded, since I couldn't get to the desktop or Start button? Carol2 "Ronnie Vernon MVP" wrote in message ... John Phil is correct about this. Pressing the power button is considered an improper shutdown and does not give Windows time to close all running software, services, and etc, before the computer disconnects. This can cause file corruption or even worse, a system that refuses to boot. -- Ronnie Vernon Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User |
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One step shutdown
Unfortunately, there isn't a lot of information on that fairly generic error message. The only thing I could find was a reference to a NVidia video card driver problem. You might want to check for any updated video card drivers for the system.
If you see this BSOD again, be sure to write down the first few lines of the STOP: error and post that information here. Take a look at the image on the following website. You want to write down everything in the "Bugcheck Information" section. BSOD Details. http://www.villagephotos.com/viewpub...p?id_=18255271 -- Ronnie Vernon Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User "Carol2" wrote in message ... There were 2 events, but I'm only posting one as the other has to do with my Microtek Scanner Finder (which sometimes doesn't show up, for some reason). Event Type: Error Event Source: Application Error Event Category: None Event ID: 1001 Date: 9/28/2006 Time: 9:35:21 AM User: N/A Computer: CAROL Description: Fault bucket 85524801. There are no Problem Devices. No problems that I can detect today. I've set the Auto Restart button as you said, but...... Tell me, please...... How do I get out of the blue screen Stop error, should it present itself? The info I've found, as per your instructions, seems Pretty slim evidence to go on.......but will be hoping that it tells you more than it does me. 8^) Carol2 "Ronnie Vernon MVP" wrote in message ... Sometimes you don't have a choice. In a case like this, the power button is the only option. In addition to the disk check, you might want to try some other troubleshooting steps to see if this was just a glitch or something more serious. Check the Event Viewer for possible information. Go to start/Run and type eventvwr and press OK. Click the Application menu item on the left and look for any "X" error messages that coincide with when you last saw this behavior. If any are found, double click the error entry to see the details, click the Copy Icon on the right side of the details dialog screen (looks like 2 pages of text) and paste the error details in a reply to this message. You only need to post the text starting with Event Type: and ending with the Description:. You can omit the Data section. ie: Event Type: Error Event Source: source Event Category: category Event ID: ID # Date: date Time: time User: user name Computer: computer name Description: Hanging application program, version, address ---- Next: Go to Start/Run and type msinfo32 and press OK. Click Components/ComponentsProblemDevices to check for possible hardware device problems. If anything is visible in this window, copy the information and post it in a reply. ---- Open Control Panel and double click the System icon. Click the Advanced tab, look in the Startup and Recovery section and press the Settings button. In the System Failure section, remove the check mark from the Automatically Restart option. Apply/OK. This will allow any blue screen error messages to be displayed. If you do see a blue screen "STOP" error, always write down the first line of the message. -- Ronnie Vernon Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User "Carol2" wrote in message ... Hi Ronnie.... As a person who is constantly preaching against using the power button (& even the 3-finger salute) to shut down Windows, I suddenly found myself in a situation where I had no choice (that I could see) this morning. My WinXP Media Center Ed. pc is 1 mo. old & runs 24/7 (tho it has been rebooted frequently, since I am still in the process of Slowly installing programs.....a few at a time). When I turned on the LCD monitor this morning, the screen saver was frozen & mouse/keyboard couldn't cancel it to bring up the desktop. I've never had this happen before on my old WinXP HE. Everything Seems to be OK, but I plan to run a thorough CheckDisk tonight to be, hopefully, be sure I haven't caused any damage. I currently have 2 MB ram, & the only change to the system this week has been a change from dial-up to high speed cable (on Mon). Can you think of any other way I could have proceeded, since I couldn't get to the desktop or Start button? Carol2 "Ronnie Vernon MVP" wrote in message ... John Phil is correct about this. Pressing the power button is considered an improper shutdown and does not give Windows time to close all running software, services, and etc, before the computer disconnects. This can cause file corruption or even worse, a system that refuses to boot. -- Ronnie Vernon Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User |
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That's what I was afraid of, Ronnie.....not much to go on. I had to update
the nVIDIA driver a couple weeks ago in order to get PSP-X to even Install. Am now using 91.47 ForceWare-winXpMCE, & everything has worked nicely for the past couple weeks with it. I viewed the site you posted & understand the lines you need, IF/When I have another event like this. Thanks again. 8^) Carol2 "Ronnie Vernon MVP" wrote in message ... Unfortunately, there isn't a lot of information on that fairly generic error message. The only thing I could find was a reference to a NVidia video card driver problem. You might want to check for any updated video card drivers for the system. If you see this BSOD again, be sure to write down the first few lines of the STOP: error and post that information here. Take a look at the image on the following website. You want to write down everything in the "Bugcheck Information" section. BSOD Details. http://www.villagephotos.com/viewpub...p?id_=18255271 -- Ronnie Vernon Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User "Carol2" wrote in message ... There were 2 events, but I'm only posting one as the other has to do with my Microtek Scanner Finder (which sometimes doesn't show up, for some reason). Event Type: Error Event Source: Application Error Event Category: None Event ID: 1001 Date: 9/28/2006 Time: 9:35:21 AM User: N/A Computer: CAROL Description: Fault bucket 85524801. There are no Problem Devices. No problems that I can detect today. I've set the Auto Restart button as you said, but...... Tell me, please...... How do I get out of the blue screen Stop error, should it present itself? The info I've found, as per your instructions, seems Pretty slim evidence to go on.......but will be hoping that it tells you more than it does me. 8^) Carol2 "Ronnie Vernon MVP" wrote in message ... Sometimes you don't have a choice. In a case like this, the power button is the only option. In addition to the disk check, you might want to try some other troubleshooting steps to see if this was just a glitch or something more serious. Check the Event Viewer for possible information. Go to start/Run and type eventvwr and press OK. Click the Application menu item on the left and look for any "X" error messages that coincide with when you last saw this behavior. If any are found, double click the error entry to see the details, click the Copy Icon on the right side of the details dialog screen (looks like 2 pages of text) and paste the error details in a reply to this message. You only need to post the text starting with Event Type: and ending with the Description:. You can omit the Data section. ie: Event Type: Error Event Source: source Event Category: category Event ID: ID # Date: date Time: time User: user name Computer: computer name Description: Hanging application program, version, address ---- Next: Go to Start/Run and type msinfo32 and press OK. Click Components/ComponentsProblemDevices to check for possible hardware device problems. If anything is visible in this window, copy the information and post it in a reply. ---- Open Control Panel and double click the System icon. Click the Advanced tab, look in the Startup and Recovery section and press the Settings button. In the System Failure section, remove the check mark from the Automatically Restart option. Apply/OK. This will allow any blue screen error messages to be displayed. If you do see a blue screen "STOP" error, always write down the first line of the message. -- Ronnie Vernon Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User "Carol2" wrote in message ... Hi Ronnie.... As a person who is constantly preaching against using the power button (& even the 3-finger salute) to shut down Windows, I suddenly found myself in a situation where I had no choice (that I could see) this morning. My WinXP Media Center Ed. pc is 1 mo. old & runs 24/7 (tho it has been rebooted frequently, since I am still in the process of Slowly installing programs.....a few at a time). When I turned on the LCD monitor this morning, the screen saver was frozen & mouse/keyboard couldn't cancel it to bring up the desktop. I've never had this happen before on my old WinXP HE. Everything Seems to be OK, but I plan to run a thorough CheckDisk tonight to be, hopefully, be sure I haven't caused any damage. I currently have 2 MB ram, & the only change to the system this week has been a change from dial-up to high speed cable (on Mon). Can you think of any other way I could have proceeded, since I couldn't get to the desktop or Start button? Carol2 "Ronnie Vernon MVP" wrote in message ... John Phil is correct about this. Pressing the power button is considered an improper shutdown and does not give Windows time to close all running software, services, and etc, before the computer disconnects. This can cause file corruption or even worse, a system that refuses to boot. -- Ronnie Vernon Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User |
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'Vanguard' wrote, in part:
| No, you are wrong ... on how Ronnie configured his power options. ATX | systems don't have a *power* switch anymore. They have a *soft* | switch which goes to the motherboard, NOT to the power supply. You | can configure Power Options, Advanced settings, so the soft switch | will: | | - Do Nothing (which often means its action is under BIOS control) | - Ask me what to do (you get the same popup window as when clicking | Start - Shutdown menu). | - Standby (puts you into low-power standby mode). | - Hibernate (saves memory into a disk file and DOES power down). | - Shut down (same as Start - Shutdown, select Shutdown, click OK). _____ For an understanding of how ATX power supplies work, and what the front panel 'Power Off' switch does, try http://www.formfactors.org/developer/specs/atx2_2.pdf . For an understanding why your post is incorrect, try what you suggest and pay attention to the results. Phil Weldon "Vanguard" wrote in message ... | "Phil Weldon" wrote in message | ink.net... | 'John Nice' wrote: | | "When I press the power button: do nothing, stand by, hibernate, | shut | down" | | Wrong on both counts. I suggest you read your manual to better | understand | what you are doing. | | | No, you are wrong ... on how Ronnie configured his power options. ATX | systems don't have a *power* switch anymore. They have a *soft* | switch which goes to the motherboard, NOT to the power supply. You | can configure Power Options, Advanced settings, so the soft switch | will: | | - Do Nothing (which often means its action is under BIOS control) | - Ask me what to do (you get the same popup window as when clicking | Start - Shutdown menu). | - Standby (puts you into low-power standby mode). | - Hibernate (saves memory into a disk file and DOES power down). | - Shut down (same as Start - Shutdown, select Shutdown, click OK). | | The first option might end up with a hard power kill on the computer | depending on what you have configured in BIOS. The rest of the power | options are graceful and safe since the OS intercepts and handles the | soft switch event. | | Have a glance at the Power Options applet in Control Panel. You might | find some interesting settings. | |
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Carol2
OK, Ill keep my fingers crossed. -- Ronnie Vernon Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User "Carol2" wrote in message ... That's what I was afraid of, Ronnie.....not much to go on. I had to update the nVIDIA driver a couple weeks ago in order to get PSP-X to even Install. Am now using 91.47 ForceWare-winXpMCE, & everything has worked nicely for the past couple weeks with it. I viewed the site you posted & understand the lines you need, IF/When I have another event like this. Thanks again. 8^) Carol2 "Ronnie Vernon MVP" wrote in message ... Unfortunately, there isn't a lot of information on that fairly generic error message. The only thing I could find was a reference to a NVidia video card driver problem. You might want to check for any updated video card drivers for the system. If you see this BSOD again, be sure to write down the first few lines of the STOP: error and post that information here. Take a look at the image on the following website. You want to write down everything in the "Bugcheck Information" section. BSOD Details. http://www.villagephotos.com/viewpub...p?id_=18255271 -- Ronnie Vernon Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User "Carol2" wrote in message ... There were 2 events, but I'm only posting one as the other has to do with my Microtek Scanner Finder (which sometimes doesn't show up, for some reason). Event Type: Error Event Source: Application Error Event Category: None Event ID: 1001 Date: 9/28/2006 Time: 9:35:21 AM User: N/A Computer: CAROL Description: Fault bucket 85524801. There are no Problem Devices. No problems that I can detect today. I've set the Auto Restart button as you said, but...... Tell me, please...... How do I get out of the blue screen Stop error, should it present itself? The info I've found, as per your instructions, seems Pretty slim evidence to go on.......but will be hoping that it tells you more than it does me. 8^) Carol2 "Ronnie Vernon MVP" wrote in message ... Sometimes you don't have a choice. In a case like this, the power button is the only option. In addition to the disk check, you might want to try some other troubleshooting steps to see if this was just a glitch or something more serious. Check the Event Viewer for possible information. Go to start/Run and type eventvwr and press OK. Click the Application menu item on the left and look for any "X" error messages that coincide with when you last saw this behavior. If any are found, double click the error entry to see the details, click the Copy Icon on the right side of the details dialog screen (looks like 2 pages of text) and paste the error details in a reply to this message. You only need to post the text starting with Event Type: and ending with the Description:. You can omit the Data section. ie: Event Type: Error Event Source: source Event Category: category Event ID: ID # Date: date Time: time User: user name Computer: computer name Description: Hanging application program, version, address ---- Next: Go to Start/Run and type msinfo32 and press OK. Click Components/ComponentsProblemDevices to check for possible hardware device problems. If anything is visible in this window, copy the information and post it in a reply. ---- Open Control Panel and double click the System icon. Click the Advanced tab, look in the Startup and Recovery section and press the Settings button. In the System Failure section, remove the check mark from the Automatically Restart option. Apply/OK. This will allow any blue screen error messages to be displayed. If you do see a blue screen "STOP" error, always write down the first line of the message. -- Ronnie Vernon Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User "Carol2" wrote in message ... Hi Ronnie.... As a person who is constantly preaching against using the power button (& even the 3-finger salute) to shut down Windows, I suddenly found myself in a situation where I had no choice (that I could see) this morning. My WinXP Media Center Ed. pc is 1 mo. old & runs 24/7 (tho it has been rebooted frequently, since I am still in the process of Slowly installing programs.....a few at a time). When I turned on the LCD monitor this morning, the screen saver was frozen & mouse/keyboard couldn't cancel it to bring up the desktop. I've never had this happen before on my old WinXP HE. Everything Seems to be OK, but I plan to run a thorough CheckDisk tonight to be, hopefully, be sure I haven't caused any damage. I currently have 2 MB ram, & the only change to the system this week has been a change from dial-up to high speed cable (on Mon). Can you think of any other way I could have proceeded, since I couldn't get to the desktop or Start button? Carol2 "Ronnie Vernon MVP" wrote in message ... John Phil is correct about this. Pressing the power button is considered an improper shutdown and does not give Windows time to close all running software, services, and etc, before the computer disconnects. This can cause file corruption or even worse, a system that refuses to boot. -- Ronnie Vernon Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User |
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"Phil Weldon" wrote in message
ink.net... 'Vanguard' wrote: | No, you are wrong ... on how Ronnie configured his power options. ATX | systems don't have a *power* switch anymore. They have a *soft* | switch which goes to the motherboard, NOT to the power supply. You | can configure Power Options, Advanced settings, so the soft switch | will: | | - Do Nothing (which often means its action is under BIOS control) | - Ask me what to do (you get the same popup window as when clicking | Start - Shutdown menu). | - Standby (puts you into low-power standby mode). | - Hibernate (saves memory into a disk file and DOES power down). | - Shut down (same as Start - Shutdown, select Shutdown, click OK). For an understanding of how ATX power supplies work, and what the front panel 'Power Off' switch does, try http://www.formfactors.org/developer/specs/atx2_2.pdf . For an understanding why your post is incorrect, try what you suggest and pay attention to the results. So you already forgot how the front power switch went directly to the PSU for the prior AT spec? And you think that the soft switch that now goes to the motherboard and controls the PS-ON signal under ATX is the same thing? The PSU is now controlled by "soft" power options, not by a direct connect from front switch to PSU. I have used all the settings for the Power switch in the Power Options applet. I've used the hibernate (which copies the memory to the hiberfil.sys file and then powers down the PSU), the shutdown, and the standby setting and they worked for me. Guess you'll need to figure out why yours doesn't, or maybe get a motherboard that is less than 8 years old, or maybe your screwed up the BIOS settings and set it to use APM instead of ACPI or you configured Windows' power options to use APM instead of ACPI (which, as I recall, required you screw up the BIOS to have it use APM unless you tell it to let the OS handle the power control). You really shouldn't spout specifications that you haven't even bothered to read. Nowhere in the ATX spec does it specify how PS-ON is controlled nor does it describe BIOS and OS control over the various power modes. That's defined by the ACPI spec and which is independent of the ATX spec. The only control described by the ATX spec is the PS-ON signal that is used to actually control the on-off state of the PSU itself, not the various power modes supported by the mobo. It also describes why the 5VSB must still be active when the PSU is powered down so those circuits on the MOTHERBOARD can control when and if the PSU gets powered up or down. The ATX spec does *not* define the various power modes of which some are available as OS settings on the Power button (or for other keys on your keyboard) as to how the OS will handle that event (i.e., what power mode it will initiate). The ATX spec only describes how the PS-ON signal is used to power up or power down the PSU and does NOT define the various power *modes* supported by the motherboard. Maybe you should go read: http://www.intel.com/technology/iapc/acpi/faq.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acpi S3 mode = Standby S4 mode = Hibernate S5 mode = Shutdown |
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