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Old November 22nd 12, 07:03 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Remove the XX's
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I make backup inages via the tool that comes with Windows 7. My drive is 500GB
(with 40GB currently on it) and the drive I put the image to is 60GB.
Obviously each time I backup a new image to it the previous one is gone. But
now for a destination drive I use a 320GB. The way I figure it I should get at
LEAST 5 images on it but Windows keeps deleteing the previous one.

If I split the destination drive into 5 partitions (320/5) and each time I
back up use a different partition will those images have a good integrity for
restore if needed? I would hate to have a false sense of security.

TIA, Dennis
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Old November 22nd 12, 08:03 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Paul
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Remove the XX's wrote:
I make backup inages via the tool that comes with Windows 7. My drive is 500GB
(with 40GB currently on it) and the drive I put the image to is 60GB.
Obviously each time I backup a new image to it the previous one is gone. But
now for a destination drive I use a 320GB. The way I figure it I should get at
LEAST 5 images on it but Windows keeps deleteing the previous one.

If I split the destination drive into 5 partitions (320/5) and each time I
back up use a different partition will those images have a good integrity for
restore if needed? I would hate to have a false sense of security.

TIA, Dennis
==================


On Windows 7, I've only used the System Image capability, rather than the
other (file mode?) backup.

I experienced the same thing. If I make a fresh image, the other one is
erased and the new one takes its place.

To stop that, I transfer the backup to any other place. Just move it
out of the way, Then run your new backup, and see what happens.

Then, for fun, run your recovery boot CD (or installer DVD), and
go to the restore menu. Did the disk scan find both images or not ?
That's the test you want to try. My experience was, there was
an extended search interval during recovery, where the software
searches for images. Maybe, it can find that image, if it is moved
out of the way. And, it should show the date the backup was made.
There's a fair amount of metadata in the folder, with the actual
image files.

Paul
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Old November 22nd 12, 08:30 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Remove the XX's
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In article , Paul wrote:


On Windows 7, I've only used the System Image capability, rather than the
other (file mode?) backup.

I experienced the same thing. If I make a fresh image, the other one is
erased and the new one takes its place.

To stop that, I transfer the backup to any other place. Just move it
out of the way, Then run your new backup, and see what happens.

Then, for fun, run your recovery boot CD (or installer DVD), and
go to the restore menu. Did the disk scan find both images or not ?
That's the test you want to try. My experience was, there was
an extended search interval during recovery, where the software
searches for images. Maybe, it can find that image, if it is moved
out of the way. And, it should show the date the backup was made.
There's a fair amount of metadata in the folder, with the actual
image files.

Paul


Thanx Paul, I'll play with that scenerio. I also just split my 320GB into 5
partitions. I'm also going to play with that. One good thing is that the Image
utility is pretty quick so it's fairly easy to play around.

Dennis
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Old November 22nd 12, 02:17 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Ed Cryer
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Paul wrote:
Remove the XX's wrote:
I make backup inages via the tool that comes with Windows 7. My drive
is 500GB (with 40GB currently on it) and the drive I put the image to
is 60GB. Obviously each time I backup a new image to it the previous
one is gone. But now for a destination drive I use a 320GB. The way I
figure it I should get at LEAST 5 images on it but Windows keeps
deleteing the previous one.
If I split the destination drive into 5 partitions (320/5) and each
time I back up use a different partition will those images have a good
integrity for restore if needed? I would hate to have a false sense of
security.

TIA, Dennis
==================


On Windows 7, I've only used the System Image capability, rather than the
other (file mode?) backup.

I experienced the same thing. If I make a fresh image, the other one is
erased and the new one takes its place.

To stop that, I transfer the backup to any other place. Just move it
out of the way, Then run your new backup, and see what happens.

Then, for fun, run your recovery boot CD (or installer DVD), and
go to the restore menu. Did the disk scan find both images or not ?
That's the test you want to try. My experience was, there was
an extended search interval during recovery, where the software
searches for images. Maybe, it can find that image, if it is moved
out of the way. And, it should show the date the backup was made.
There's a fair amount of metadata in the folder, with the actual
image files.

Paul


Yes. I do that. I copy previous image to a folder on the same drive.

My experience of using the recovery option was that it only found the
one in the root of the drive. So I switched to Paragon images when I
found on testing that it found all its stuff.

Ed

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Old November 23rd 12, 02:23 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Anthony Buckland
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On 21/11/2012 10:03 PM, Remove the XX's wrote:
I make backup inages via the tool that comes with Windows 7. My drive is 500GB
(with 40GB currently on it) and the drive I put the image to is 60GB.
Obviously each time I backup a new image to it the previous one is gone. But
now for a destination drive I use a 320GB. The way I figure it I should get at
LEAST 5 images on it but Windows keeps deleteing the previous one.

If I split the destination drive into 5 partitions (320/5) and each time I
back up use a different partition will those images have a good integrity for
restore if needed? I would hate to have a false sense of security.

TIA, Dennis
==================

For years, I've used Acronis True Image, not just because I feel
a sense of security, but because I have, more than once, actually
restored a system with it. Your heart may dwell in your mouth,
but there's nothing like actually having your computer saved.
Disclosu I have no stake in their success. Further disclosu
it costs money.
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Old November 23rd 12, 06:15 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Remove the XX's
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On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 17:23:19 -0800 "Anthony Buckland"
wrote in article N-



For years, I've used Acronis True Image, not just because I feel
a sense of security, but because I have, more than once, actually
restored a system with it. Your heart may dwell in your mouth,
but there's nothing like actually having your computer saved.
Disclosu I have no stake in their success. Further disclosu
it costs money.



wrote:

I second that! Used it for years and it's saved my bacon a time or two.


I agree guys, done a half dozen or so 'disaster' restores over the years using
xcopy32 /c/h/e/r/k on 95, XXCLONE or Ghost on XP and now Win7's tool.

I figured out the issue...you have to go through the restore from Windows then
reboot to see the saved backups in Backup and Restore manager. I could swear I
set it to restore from Safe Mode a while back but I must be confused. Also the
Win7 recovery disk works fine too. To get around losing the previous backups
on the destination drive I just made 5-60GB Partions. I have about 40GB on my
drive so I should be good for while. In theory I should only want the most
recent but it's the paranoia factor.....

Dennis
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Old November 23rd 12, 06:31 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Paul
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On 23/11/2012 11:38 AM, Robin Bignall wrote:
On Fri, 23 Nov 2012 05:06:15 -0600, BillW50 wrote:

On 11/22/2012 9:07 PM, Jason wrote:
On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 17:23:19 -0800 "Anthony Buckland"
wrote in articleN-



For years, I've used Acronis True Image, not just because I feel
a sense of security, but because I have, more than once, actually
restored a system with it. Your heart may dwell in your mouth,
but there's nothing like actually having your computer saved.
Disclosu I have no stake in their success. Further disclosu
it costs money.

I second that! Used it for years and it's saved my bacon a time or two.


I've been burned by Acronis for many years. It will make backups all day
long faithfully. When it comes to restoring, it can't see some USB
drives that it had saved files on for years. And this is a known Acronis
problem. And no other backup software has this major flaw.


I have Shadowprotect, possibly the most expensive backup/recovery
software. It will backup to anything writeable, but if you want to
recover your system disk you have to boot from the SP stand-alone disk
and that cannot see USB3 drives, as far as I can tell.


Can you connect your USB3 device to a USB2 port ?

That port likely uses a different driver.

Paul

  #11  
Old November 23rd 12, 07:41 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
BillW50
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On 11/23/2012 10:38 AM, Robin Bignall wrote:
On Fri, 23 Nov 2012 05:06:15 -0600, wrote:

On 11/22/2012 9:07 PM, Jason wrote:
On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 17:23:19 -0800 "Anthony Buckland"
wrote in articleN-



For years, I've used Acronis True Image, not just because I feel
a sense of security, but because I have, more than once, actually
restored a system with it. Your heart may dwell in your mouth,
but there's nothing like actually having your computer saved.
Disclosu I have no stake in their success. Further disclosu
it costs money.

I second that! Used it for years and it's saved my bacon a time or two.


I've been burned by Acronis for many years. It will make backups all day
long faithfully. When it comes to restoring, it can't see some USB
drives that it had saved files on for years. And this is a known Acronis
problem. And no other backup software has this major flaw.


I have Shadowprotect, possibly the most expensive backup/recovery
software. It will backup to anything writeable, but if you want to
recover your system disk you have to boot from the SP stand-alone disk
and that cannot see USB3 drives, as far as I can tell.


Those boot up disks generally use Linux or WinPE as an OS just to run
the application. And it sounds like whatever OS it is using, doesn't
have the correct driver for USB3 ports.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v12
Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8
  #12  
Old November 23rd 12, 09:52 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Robin Bignall
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On Fri, 23 Nov 2012 12:31:33 -0500, Paul wrote:

On 23/11/2012 11:38 AM, Robin Bignall wrote:
On Fri, 23 Nov 2012 05:06:15 -0600, BillW50 wrote:

On 11/22/2012 9:07 PM, Jason wrote:
On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 17:23:19 -0800 "Anthony Buckland"
wrote in articleN-



For years, I've used Acronis True Image, not just because I feel
a sense of security, but because I have, more than once, actually
restored a system with it. Your heart may dwell in your mouth,
but there's nothing like actually having your computer saved.
Disclosu I have no stake in their success. Further disclosu
it costs money.

I second that! Used it for years and it's saved my bacon a time or two.

I've been burned by Acronis for many years. It will make backups all day
long faithfully. When it comes to restoring, it can't see some USB
drives that it had saved files on for years. And this is a known Acronis
problem. And no other backup software has this major flaw.


I have Shadowprotect, possibly the most expensive backup/recovery
software. It will backup to anything writeable, but if you want to
recover your system disk you have to boot from the SP stand-alone disk
and that cannot see USB3 drives, as far as I can tell.


Can you connect your USB3 device to a USB2 port ?

That port likely uses a different driver.

I'm sure I can, but my external is an exact copy of one of my internals,
so I can always get at my backups.
--
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Herts, England
  #13  
Old November 23rd 12, 10:12 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Robin Bignall
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On Fri, 23 Nov 2012 12:41:56 -0600, BillW50 wrote:

On 11/23/2012 10:38 AM, Robin Bignall wrote:
On Fri, 23 Nov 2012 05:06:15 -0600, wrote:

On 11/22/2012 9:07 PM, Jason wrote:
On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 17:23:19 -0800 "Anthony Buckland"
wrote in articleN-



For years, I've used Acronis True Image, not just because I feel
a sense of security, but because I have, more than once, actually
restored a system with it. Your heart may dwell in your mouth,
but there's nothing like actually having your computer saved.
Disclosu I have no stake in their success. Further disclosu
it costs money.

I second that! Used it for years and it's saved my bacon a time or two.

I've been burned by Acronis for many years. It will make backups all day
long faithfully. When it comes to restoring, it can't see some USB
drives that it had saved files on for years. And this is a known Acronis
problem. And no other backup software has this major flaw.


I have Shadowprotect, possibly the most expensive backup/recovery
software. It will backup to anything writeable, but if you want to
recover your system disk you have to boot from the SP stand-alone disk
and that cannot see USB3 drives, as far as I can tell.


Those boot up disks generally use Linux or WinPE as an OS just to run
the application. And it sounds like whatever OS it is using, doesn't
have the correct driver for USB3 ports.


Yes, it's some sort of Windows: the Vista logo comes up while booting.

Indeed, it does not have the USB3 drivers. But there's a function
called 'Load drivers' that you can run before looking for backups, and
which you can point to the USB3 drivers you need. I haven't got that to
work because of my lack of knowledge of exactly what drivers I need for
USB3.
(This is the trouble, I feel, for complex pieces of software with lots
of functions, that one uses once in a blue moon. I shall never, ever
master Paintshop Pro for exactly the same reason!)

SP is pretty clever, and will do a restore to quite different hardware
if you choose. Instead of asking for a simple restore plus setting the
target as bootable etc, you do an HIR (Hardware Independent) Restore.
Somewhere you get to load the drivers for your new hardware, and the
restore incorporates them. That works, because I've done it using the
internal backups.
--
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Herts, England
  #14  
Old November 23rd 12, 10:36 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
BillW50
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On 11/23/2012 3:12 PM, Robin Bignall wrote:
On Fri, 23 Nov 2012 12:41:56 -0600, wrote:

On 11/23/2012 10:38 AM, Robin Bignall wrote:
On Fri, 23 Nov 2012 05:06:15 -0600, wrote:

On 11/22/2012 9:07 PM, Jason wrote:
On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 17:23:19 -0800 "Anthony Buckland"
wrote in articleN-



For years, I've used Acronis True Image, not just because I feel
a sense of security, but because I have, more than once, actually
restored a system with it. Your heart may dwell in your mouth,
but there's nothing like actually having your computer saved.
Disclosu I have no stake in their success. Further disclosu
it costs money.

I second that! Used it for years and it's saved my bacon a time or two.

I've been burned by Acronis for many years. It will make backups all day
long faithfully. When it comes to restoring, it can't see some USB
drives that it had saved files on for years. And this is a known Acronis
problem. And no other backup software has this major flaw.

I have Shadowprotect, possibly the most expensive backup/recovery
software. It will backup to anything writeable, but if you want to
recover your system disk you have to boot from the SP stand-alone disk
and that cannot see USB3 drives, as far as I can tell.


Those boot up disks generally use Linux or WinPE as an OS just to run
the application. And it sounds like whatever OS it is using, doesn't
have the correct driver for USB3 ports.


Yes, it's some sort of Windows: the Vista logo comes up while booting.

Indeed, it does not have the USB3 drivers. But there's a function
called 'Load drivers' that you can run before looking for backups, and
which you can point to the USB3 drivers you need. I haven't got that to
work because of my lack of knowledge of exactly what drivers I need for
USB3.
(This is the trouble, I feel, for complex pieces of software with lots
of functions, that one uses once in a blue moon. I shall never, ever
master Paintshop Pro for exactly the same reason!)

SP is pretty clever, and will do a restore to quite different hardware
if you choose. Instead of asking for a simple restore plus setting the
target as bootable etc, you do an HIR (Hardware Independent) Restore.
Somewhere you get to load the drivers for your new hardware, and the
restore incorporates them. That works, because I've done it using the
internal backups.


Yes that disk is using WinPE v2. v1 has an XP logo and v3 uses a Windows
7 one. And WinPE usually always allows adding a driver.

And two more backup utilities that I know of will also restore to
totally different hardware.

Acronis calls it "Restore to Dissimilar Hardware"
Paragon calls it "Adaptive Restore"

And it is pretty simple how they work. Basically they replace the
drivers with generic drivers. The same drivers that Windows install
uses. And the first time you boot Windows for real, Windows replaces
them with the correct drivers. Now it is locked into that hardware.

--
Bill
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Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8
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Old November 27th 12, 01:57 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Gene E. Bloch[_2_]
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On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 17:23:19 -0800, Anthony Buckland wrote:

On 21/11/2012 10:03 PM, Remove the XX's wrote:
I make backup inages via the tool that comes with Windows 7. My drive is 500GB
(with 40GB currently on it) and the drive I put the image to is 60GB.
Obviously each time I backup a new image to it the previous one is gone. But
now for a destination drive I use a 320GB. The way I figure it I should get at
LEAST 5 images on it but Windows keeps deleteing the previous one.

If I split the destination drive into 5 partitions (320/5) and each time I
back up use a different partition will those images have a good integrity for
restore if needed? I would hate to have a false sense of security.

TIA, Dennis
==================

For years, I've used Acronis True Image, not just because I feel
a sense of security, but because I have, more than once, actually
restored a system with it. Your heart may dwell in your mouth,
but there's nothing like actually having your computer saved.
Disclosu I have no stake in their success. Further disclosu
it costs money.


I am a fan of the similar product Macrium Reflect, which can also be had
in a less flexible free version.

I've used EaseUS Todo Backup, which is free but, IIRC, is also available
in a paid version. It works OK.

Both of the above do image backups or clone backups, your choice. In
fact I often[1] do one of each type.

[1] Here, "often" means "a large percentage of backups"; I don't backup
often enough :-)

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)
 




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