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  #16  
Old January 8th 10, 12:16 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize
thanatoid
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Default XP Search Problem

"Tim Meddick" wrote in
:

So you don't imagine that bad practices such as having
1000's of files in the root dir, negatively affects
processes involving disk operations?


Not to mention having an 800GB drive with a single c:
partition...

Or, should you be one of the few clued into the wonder that is
partitioning, searching through ALL your partitions at once?
(Which of course should never be necessary if your partitioning
was done with some forethought and good design...)
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  #17  
Old January 8th 10, 12:16 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize
thanatoid
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Posts: 584
Default XP Search Problem

"Tim Meddick" wrote in
:

So you don't imagine that bad practices such as having
1000's of files in the root dir, negatively affects
processes involving disk operations?


Not to mention having an 800GB drive with a single c:
partition...

Or, should you be one of the few clued into the wonder that is
partitioning, searching through ALL your partitions at once?
(Which of course should never be necessary if your partitioning
was done with some forethought and good design...)
  #18  
Old January 8th 10, 12:24 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize
Twayne[_3_]
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Posts: 1,073
Default XP Search Problem

In ,
Tim Meddick typed:
You won't even admit that it *is* bad practice to stuff 1000s of
files into the root of the system drive, will you?

I don't see why I should continue defending my advice to someone who
is seemingly intent on trashing anything I have to say.

If there is something I said that is factually incorrect or harmful
to anyone, I will have no hesitation in entertaining any criticisms
levelled against me.


Umm, no point, unexplained, unverifiable information doesn't count as
factually incorrect?
While I pretty much respect your posts, this one seems to just make work
for, and raise more questions while answering nothing for the OP.


Regards,

Twayne`




==

Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-)




"Leonard Grey" wrote in message
...
What "processes" and "disk operations" are you referring to, and how
are they related to Windows Search?

I'm still waiting to hear what method of organization Windows Search
finds "logical and easy to understand" and how you arrived at that
conclusion. ---
Leonard Grey
Errare humanum est

Tim Meddick wrote:
So you don't imagine that bad practices such as having 1000's of
files in the root dir, negatively affects processes involving disk
operations? ==

Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-)




"Leonard Grey" wrote in message
...
You think that Windows Search will have an easier time if you
"re-arrange files and folders into a more logical and easy to
understand structure"? What method of organization do you suspect
Windows Search finds
"more logical and easy to understand"...and how did you arrive at
that conclusion? ---
Leonard Grey
Errare humanum est

Tim Meddick wrote:
I support what "thanatoid" advises in his response, however,
there are some things you can do to curb XP from getting "tied
up" in operations involving searches.

Attempt to - deleting, where possible, any older, redundant and
outdated files. Perform a defragmentation on all hard-drives - and
repeat
regularly. And another thing that may well have a bearing on your
issue -
could have been caused by the resident portion of either an
anti-virus or anti-malware program. Next time you do a search, while
it is in progress, open Task
Manager and see what other programs start to eat up memory as the
search progresses. If, as in the case of Windows Defender on my
system, you see
another program getting carried away with itself, then this could
well account for a "freeze" or lock-up if you try to abort the
procedure. If this is what is happening on your system, you should
temporarily deactivate these programs for the time it takes to
complete any search operations... ==

Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-)




"OREALLY" wrote in message
...
Whenever I STOP a search while it is searching the computer
freezes up and I have to go to task manager to end the search.
Any reason or repair for this? Thanks,

Oreally




--
--
Often you'll find excellent advice on a newsgroup.
Before you use that advice though, consider the
ramifications of it being wrong or even dangerous;
how important IS that to you?
ALWAYS verify and confirm ANY advice from a
newsgroup!

  #19  
Old January 8th 10, 12:24 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize
Twayne[_3_]
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Posts: 1,073
Default XP Search Problem

In ,
Tim Meddick typed:
You won't even admit that it *is* bad practice to stuff 1000s of
files into the root of the system drive, will you?

I don't see why I should continue defending my advice to someone who
is seemingly intent on trashing anything I have to say.

If there is something I said that is factually incorrect or harmful
to anyone, I will have no hesitation in entertaining any criticisms
levelled against me.


Umm, no point, unexplained, unverifiable information doesn't count as
factually incorrect?
While I pretty much respect your posts, this one seems to just make work
for, and raise more questions while answering nothing for the OP.


Regards,

Twayne`




==

Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-)




"Leonard Grey" wrote in message
...
What "processes" and "disk operations" are you referring to, and how
are they related to Windows Search?

I'm still waiting to hear what method of organization Windows Search
finds "logical and easy to understand" and how you arrived at that
conclusion. ---
Leonard Grey
Errare humanum est

Tim Meddick wrote:
So you don't imagine that bad practices such as having 1000's of
files in the root dir, negatively affects processes involving disk
operations? ==

Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-)




"Leonard Grey" wrote in message
...
You think that Windows Search will have an easier time if you
"re-arrange files and folders into a more logical and easy to
understand structure"? What method of organization do you suspect
Windows Search finds
"more logical and easy to understand"...and how did you arrive at
that conclusion? ---
Leonard Grey
Errare humanum est

Tim Meddick wrote:
I support what "thanatoid" advises in his response, however,
there are some things you can do to curb XP from getting "tied
up" in operations involving searches.

Attempt to - deleting, where possible, any older, redundant and
outdated files. Perform a defragmentation on all hard-drives - and
repeat
regularly. And another thing that may well have a bearing on your
issue -
could have been caused by the resident portion of either an
anti-virus or anti-malware program. Next time you do a search, while
it is in progress, open Task
Manager and see what other programs start to eat up memory as the
search progresses. If, as in the case of Windows Defender on my
system, you see
another program getting carried away with itself, then this could
well account for a "freeze" or lock-up if you try to abort the
procedure. If this is what is happening on your system, you should
temporarily deactivate these programs for the time it takes to
complete any search operations... ==

Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-)




"OREALLY" wrote in message
...
Whenever I STOP a search while it is searching the computer
freezes up and I have to go to task manager to end the search.
Any reason or repair for this? Thanks,

Oreally




--
--
Often you'll find excellent advice on a newsgroup.
Before you use that advice though, consider the
ramifications of it being wrong or even dangerous;
how important IS that to you?
ALWAYS verify and confirm ANY advice from a
newsgroup!

  #20  
Old January 8th 10, 02:15 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize
Oreally
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Posts: 211
Default XP Search Problem

Apparently the problem is specific to the Backup 'D' drive. It takes forever
to search and seems to be repeating search of the files and folders. This
does not happen in the main 'C' drive search. It's been scanning for almost
2 hours looking for wav files. There is about 200GB worth of info on the
500GB drive.

Still searching.....if I stop the search...computer freezes up.

Ransack finds about 600 wav files on this drive in a few minutes.....so
what's with XP?



"Nil" wrote in message
...
On 07 Jan 2010, "OREALLY" wrote in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize:

Whenever I STOP a search while it is searching the computer
freezes up and I have to go to task manager to end the search. Any
reason or repair for this?


Maybe there is some file system corruption that Search is choking on.
It might be a good idea to run CHKDSK... but better back up your data
and system first, in case it decides to repair your disk into an
unbootable condition.


  #21  
Old January 8th 10, 02:15 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize
Oreally
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 211
Default XP Search Problem

Apparently the problem is specific to the Backup 'D' drive. It takes forever
to search and seems to be repeating search of the files and folders. This
does not happen in the main 'C' drive search. It's been scanning for almost
2 hours looking for wav files. There is about 200GB worth of info on the
500GB drive.

Still searching.....if I stop the search...computer freezes up.

Ransack finds about 600 wav files on this drive in a few minutes.....so
what's with XP?



"Nil" wrote in message
...
On 07 Jan 2010, "OREALLY" wrote in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize:

Whenever I STOP a search while it is searching the computer
freezes up and I have to go to task manager to end the search. Any
reason or repair for this?


Maybe there is some file system corruption that Search is choking on.
It might be a good idea to run CHKDSK... but better back up your data
and system first, in case it decides to repair your disk into an
unbootable condition.


  #22  
Old January 8th 10, 02:59 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize
Leonard Grey[_3_]
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Posts: 3,048
Default XP Search Problem

Any help from a web search? Use...

windows xp search is slow

....as your search term.
---
Leonard Grey
Errare humanum est

OREALLY wrote:
Apparently the problem is specific to the Backup 'D' drive. It takes
forever to search and seems to be repeating search of the files and
folders. This does not happen in the main 'C' drive search. It's been
scanning for almost 2 hours looking for wav files. There is about 200GB
worth of info on the 500GB drive.

Still searching.....if I stop the search...computer freezes up.

Ransack finds about 600 wav files on this drive in a few minutes.....so
what's with XP?



"Nil" wrote in message
...
On 07 Jan 2010, "OREALLY" wrote in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize:

Whenever I STOP a search while it is searching the computer
freezes up and I have to go to task manager to end the search. Any
reason or repair for this?


Maybe there is some file system corruption that Search is choking on.
It might be a good idea to run CHKDSK... but better back up your data
and system first, in case it decides to repair your disk into an
unbootable condition.


  #23  
Old January 8th 10, 02:59 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize
Leonard Grey[_3_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 3,048
Default XP Search Problem

Any help from a web search? Use...

windows xp search is slow

....as your search term.
---
Leonard Grey
Errare humanum est

OREALLY wrote:
Apparently the problem is specific to the Backup 'D' drive. It takes
forever to search and seems to be repeating search of the files and
folders. This does not happen in the main 'C' drive search. It's been
scanning for almost 2 hours looking for wav files. There is about 200GB
worth of info on the 500GB drive.

Still searching.....if I stop the search...computer freezes up.

Ransack finds about 600 wav files on this drive in a few minutes.....so
what's with XP?



"Nil" wrote in message
...
On 07 Jan 2010, "OREALLY" wrote in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize:

Whenever I STOP a search while it is searching the computer
freezes up and I have to go to task manager to end the search. Any
reason or repair for this?


Maybe there is some file system corruption that Search is choking on.
It might be a good idea to run CHKDSK... but better back up your data
and system first, in case it decides to repair your disk into an
unbootable condition.


  #24  
Old January 8th 10, 03:55 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize
Tim Meddick
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Posts: 1,995
Default XP Search Problem

As "Nil" pointed out - have you tried to follow his advice and run CHKDSK /F from
the Command Prompt, on your "D:" drive?

A PC "freezing" in the middle of a disk I/O operation can be symptomatic of data
corruption on the drive.

Quite often hard-disk data corruption can be caused by many different things and
doesn't have to mean that your drive has nearly died.

But the result can be that if Windows cannot read a section of a drive, it will
constantly go over and over the same spot trying to read it, causing a "lock-up".

The solution, if this is the case, is as simple as running CHKDSK /F D: from a
Command Prompt window (if files on the D: drive are in use, you may have to press 'Y
' in answer to the question - Do you want chkdsk to run at next boot? - then, when
you next reboot, chkdsk will run then).

==

Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-)




"OREALLY" wrote in message
...
Apparently the problem is specific to the Backup 'D' drive. It takes forever to
search and seems to be repeating search of the files and folders. This does not
happen in the main 'C' drive search. It's been scanning for almost 2 hours looking
for wav files. There is about 200GB worth of info on the 500GB drive.

Still searching.....if I stop the search...computer freezes up.

Ransack finds about 600 wav files on this drive in a few minutes.....so what's with
XP?



"Nil" wrote in message
...
On 07 Jan 2010, "OREALLY" wrote in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize:

Whenever I STOP a search while it is searching the computer
freezes up and I have to go to task manager to end the search. Any
reason or repair for this?


Maybe there is some file system corruption that Search is choking on.
It might be a good idea to run CHKDSK... but better back up your data
and system first, in case it decides to repair your disk into an
unbootable condition.



  #25  
Old January 8th 10, 03:55 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize
Tim Meddick
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 1,995
Default XP Search Problem

As "Nil" pointed out - have you tried to follow his advice and run CHKDSK /F from
the Command Prompt, on your "D:" drive?

A PC "freezing" in the middle of a disk I/O operation can be symptomatic of data
corruption on the drive.

Quite often hard-disk data corruption can be caused by many different things and
doesn't have to mean that your drive has nearly died.

But the result can be that if Windows cannot read a section of a drive, it will
constantly go over and over the same spot trying to read it, causing a "lock-up".

The solution, if this is the case, is as simple as running CHKDSK /F D: from a
Command Prompt window (if files on the D: drive are in use, you may have to press 'Y
' in answer to the question - Do you want chkdsk to run at next boot? - then, when
you next reboot, chkdsk will run then).

==

Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-)




"OREALLY" wrote in message
...
Apparently the problem is specific to the Backup 'D' drive. It takes forever to
search and seems to be repeating search of the files and folders. This does not
happen in the main 'C' drive search. It's been scanning for almost 2 hours looking
for wav files. There is about 200GB worth of info on the 500GB drive.

Still searching.....if I stop the search...computer freezes up.

Ransack finds about 600 wav files on this drive in a few minutes.....so what's with
XP?



"Nil" wrote in message
...
On 07 Jan 2010, "OREALLY" wrote in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize:

Whenever I STOP a search while it is searching the computer
freezes up and I have to go to task manager to end the search. Any
reason or repair for this?


Maybe there is some file system corruption that Search is choking on.
It might be a good idea to run CHKDSK... but better back up your data
and system first, in case it decides to repair your disk into an
unbootable condition.



  #26  
Old January 8th 10, 04:55 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize
Oreally
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Posts: 211
Default XP Search Problem

what???????

"Leonard Grey" wrote in message
...
Any help from a web search? Use...

windows xp search is slow

...as your search term.
---
Leonard Grey
Errare humanum est

OREALLY wrote:
Apparently the problem is specific to the Backup 'D' drive. It takes
forever to search and seems to be repeating search of the files and
folders. This does not happen in the main 'C' drive search. It's been
scanning for almost 2 hours looking for wav files. There is about 200GB
worth of info on the 500GB drive.

Still searching.....if I stop the search...computer freezes up.

Ransack finds about 600 wav files on this drive in a few minutes.....so
what's with XP?



"Nil" wrote in message
...
On 07 Jan 2010, "OREALLY" wrote in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize:

Whenever I STOP a search while it is searching the computer
freezes up and I have to go to task manager to end the search. Any
reason or repair for this?

Maybe there is some file system corruption that Search is choking on.
It might be a good idea to run CHKDSK... but better back up your data
and system first, in case it decides to repair your disk into an
unbootable condition.


  #27  
Old January 8th 10, 04:55 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize
Oreally
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 211
Default XP Search Problem

what???????

"Leonard Grey" wrote in message
...
Any help from a web search? Use...

windows xp search is slow

...as your search term.
---
Leonard Grey
Errare humanum est

OREALLY wrote:
Apparently the problem is specific to the Backup 'D' drive. It takes
forever to search and seems to be repeating search of the files and
folders. This does not happen in the main 'C' drive search. It's been
scanning for almost 2 hours looking for wav files. There is about 200GB
worth of info on the 500GB drive.

Still searching.....if I stop the search...computer freezes up.

Ransack finds about 600 wav files on this drive in a few minutes.....so
what's with XP?



"Nil" wrote in message
...
On 07 Jan 2010, "OREALLY" wrote in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize:

Whenever I STOP a search while it is searching the computer
freezes up and I have to go to task manager to end the search. Any
reason or repair for this?

Maybe there is some file system corruption that Search is choking on.
It might be a good idea to run CHKDSK... but better back up your data
and system first, in case it decides to repair your disk into an
unbootable condition.


  #28  
Old January 8th 10, 04:57 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize
Leonard Grey[_3_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 3,048
Default XP Search Problem

"But the result can be that if Windows cannot read a section of a drive,
it will constantly go over and over the same spot trying to read it,
causing a "lock-up"."

You're not having a good day. If Windows detects corruption in a disk
sector, it marks the sector as unreadable and ignores it. It will not
"constantly go over and over the same spot trying to read it, causing a
"lock-up".
---
Leonard Grey
Errare humanum est

Tim Meddick wrote:
As "Nil" pointed out - have you tried to follow his advice and run
CHKDSK /F from the Command Prompt, on your "D:" drive?

A PC "freezing" in the middle of a disk I/O operation can be symptomatic
of data corruption on the drive.

Quite often hard-disk data corruption can be caused by many different
things and doesn't have to mean that your drive has nearly died.

But the result can be that if Windows cannot read a section of a drive,
it will constantly go over and over the same spot trying to read it,
causing a "lock-up".

The solution, if this is the case, is as simple as running CHKDSK /F
D: from a Command Prompt window (if files on the D: drive are in use,
you may have to press 'Y ' in answer to the question - Do you want
chkdsk to run at next boot? - then, when you next reboot, chkdsk will
run then).

==

Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-)




"OREALLY" wrote in message
...
Apparently the problem is specific to the Backup 'D' drive. It takes
forever to search and seems to be repeating search of the files and
folders. This does not happen in the main 'C' drive search. It's been
scanning for almost 2 hours looking for wav files. There is about
200GB worth of info on the 500GB drive.

Still searching.....if I stop the search...computer freezes up.

Ransack finds about 600 wav files on this drive in a few
minutes.....so what's with XP?



"Nil" wrote in message
...
On 07 Jan 2010, "OREALLY" wrote in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize:

Whenever I STOP a search while it is searching the computer
freezes up and I have to go to task manager to end the search. Any
reason or repair for this?

Maybe there is some file system corruption that Search is choking on.
It might be a good idea to run CHKDSK... but better back up your data
and system first, in case it decides to repair your disk into an
unbootable condition.



  #29  
Old January 8th 10, 04:57 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize
Leonard Grey[_3_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 3,048
Default XP Search Problem

"But the result can be that if Windows cannot read a section of a drive,
it will constantly go over and over the same spot trying to read it,
causing a "lock-up"."

You're not having a good day. If Windows detects corruption in a disk
sector, it marks the sector as unreadable and ignores it. It will not
"constantly go over and over the same spot trying to read it, causing a
"lock-up".
---
Leonard Grey
Errare humanum est

Tim Meddick wrote:
As "Nil" pointed out - have you tried to follow his advice and run
CHKDSK /F from the Command Prompt, on your "D:" drive?

A PC "freezing" in the middle of a disk I/O operation can be symptomatic
of data corruption on the drive.

Quite often hard-disk data corruption can be caused by many different
things and doesn't have to mean that your drive has nearly died.

But the result can be that if Windows cannot read a section of a drive,
it will constantly go over and over the same spot trying to read it,
causing a "lock-up".

The solution, if this is the case, is as simple as running CHKDSK /F
D: from a Command Prompt window (if files on the D: drive are in use,
you may have to press 'Y ' in answer to the question - Do you want
chkdsk to run at next boot? - then, when you next reboot, chkdsk will
run then).

==

Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-)




"OREALLY" wrote in message
...
Apparently the problem is specific to the Backup 'D' drive. It takes
forever to search and seems to be repeating search of the files and
folders. This does not happen in the main 'C' drive search. It's been
scanning for almost 2 hours looking for wav files. There is about
200GB worth of info on the 500GB drive.

Still searching.....if I stop the search...computer freezes up.

Ransack finds about 600 wav files on this drive in a few
minutes.....so what's with XP?



"Nil" wrote in message
...
On 07 Jan 2010, "OREALLY" wrote in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize:

Whenever I STOP a search while it is searching the computer
freezes up and I have to go to task manager to end the search. Any
reason or repair for this?

Maybe there is some file system corruption that Search is choking on.
It might be a good idea to run CHKDSK... but better back up your data
and system first, in case it decides to repair your disk into an
unbootable condition.



  #30  
Old January 8th 10, 04:57 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize
Oreally
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 211
Default XP Search Problem

But why should a third party search program like Ransack have no problem
searching the Backup Disc and do it in a matter of seconds, if there is a
corrupt sector of the drive?

Oreally



"Tim Meddick" wrote in message
...
As "Nil" pointed out - have you tried to follow his advice and run CHKDSK
/F from the Command Prompt, on your "D:" drive?

A PC "freezing" in the middle of a disk I/O operation can be symptomatic
of data corruption on the drive.

Quite often hard-disk data corruption can be caused by many different
things and doesn't have to mean that your drive has nearly died.

But the result can be that if Windows cannot read a section of a drive, it
will constantly go over and over the same spot trying to read it, causing
a "lock-up".

The solution, if this is the case, is as simple as running CHKDSK /F D:
from a Command Prompt window (if files on the D: drive are in use, you may
have to press 'Y ' in answer to the question - Do you want chkdsk to run
at next boot? - then, when you next reboot, chkdsk will run then).

==

Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-)




"OREALLY" wrote in message
...
Apparently the problem is specific to the Backup 'D' drive. It takes
forever to search and seems to be repeating search of the files and
folders. This does not happen in the main 'C' drive search. It's been
scanning for almost 2 hours looking for wav files. There is about 200GB
worth of info on the 500GB drive.

Still searching.....if I stop the search...computer freezes up.

Ransack finds about 600 wav files on this drive in a few minutes.....so
what's with XP?



"Nil" wrote in message
...
On 07 Jan 2010, "OREALLY" wrote in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize:

Whenever I STOP a search while it is searching the computer
freezes up and I have to go to task manager to end the search. Any
reason or repair for this?

Maybe there is some file system corruption that Search is choking on.
It might be a good idea to run CHKDSK... but better back up your data
and system first, in case it decides to repair your disk into an
unbootable condition.



 




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