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Yeah, I can't speak for Vista, but ccleaner is pretty
good with all the previous versions of windows. I'm pretty curious about Vista and the "run & switch" type thing you mentioned, but not curious enough to buy it since it seems to give me nothing of any advantage over what I currently have and which is very satisfactory. IMO whenever one comes across some purist who says to "never" use a certain application when it's been around for as long as ccleaner (and several others) has and with its good history, they can pretty much be ignored. I would caution however that, as with ANY application that plays with the registry or any system files or functions, one should always RTFM and be certain their data is backed up. At the very least, with XP, do a System State backup first; it's quick and easy to Restore, and more reliable then Restore Points. And every copy of XP is capable of it. HTH Pop` John Barnett MVP wrote: I have to say that I recommend CCleaner and use I regularly myself. While I agree with Bruce Chambers sentiments regarding CCleaner checking what CCleaner is actually removing, in the few years I've been using CCleaner I can't say that I've actually been in a position were CCleaner has located a large amount of 'problems' that needed fixing, even on brand new machine. I purchased a new machine two weeks ago, installed and run CCleaner and it only found 2 problems. Speed increase is probably relative. It is amazing how, after using a registry cleaner one automatically thinks, WoW that certainly improved things when, in reality it has done nothing of the sort. I certainly haven't seen any increase in speed - well that has been noticeable, anyway. One thing I have noticed, with Windows Vista Ultimate at any rate is that when CCleaner is doing general housekeeping, i.e., removing temporary internet files, history etc I am actually seeing a ghost image of Windows Vista's Disk Cleanup Tool, so unless my machine happens to be a fluke I am beginning to ask myself who I actually cleaning what CCleaner or Vista Disk Cleanup? -- "Daave" wrote in message ... No bait. You're the one who made the claim. I've used Ccleaner and have only found the clearing of temp files to be beneficial. If you've done more extensive testing, good for you. But bear in mind that is was YOU who made the claim in the first place! And I still find it interesting you're unwilling to back it up. Belief and knowledge are two different things... "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... Right! He just wants someone else to do his work for him. DSH " db ´¯`·.. )))º` .. ." databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com wrote in message news:%23duS% ... he is a sly one and was just baiting you. if he had such an open mind, he could download the program and test it himself. -- db ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·..)))º`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸)))º¸. )))º·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. )))º`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸)))º "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... I don't give a rat's rear end whether you believe me or not. I'm not trying to sell anything. So, it's not worth my time and effort to post elaborate results of the tests I ran -- which will simply lead to a long thread of worthless back and forth caterwauling. I can use that time far better in other useful pursuits such as managing my stock portfolio, working on the car, writing a historical post or email or doing something nice for my wife -- not necessarily in that order. g I ran controlled tests on nine different machines with various configurations -- using the Registry Cleaner in CCleaner. Performance was improved on all of them -- fewer hangs and pauses, faster loading of applications, faster executions of commands and faster startups and shutdowns. No Glitches -- Removing Something That Should Not Have Been Removed -- No FUD. I have no experience of using other Registry Cleaners -- so I can't speak to them. I do, carefully, sometimes manually remove or make changes to the Registry. So, I'm not a barefoot empiricist. Your Mileage May Vary... So, Run Your Own Tests. Bonne Chance! DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas |
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Bruce Chambers wrote:
.... CCleaner's sole strength, and the only reason I use it, lies in its usefulness for cleaning up unused temporary files from the hard drive. That sounds a tad suspicious when that ability is available natively . But, you're entitled to your opinion, applicability and reality aside. Pop` |
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Because it comes from an MVP doesn't make it that much
better than any other thughtful poster on this group. At least two other MVPs will tell you not to use it under any circumstances for registry work. Those same two instead suggest editing the registry manually; completely folly for a lot more people than using a cleaner ever screwed up. All being an MVP means is they've passed a few tests in one or sometimes more areas of the MS operating system. That's good, but it doesn't mean that their expertise is in the area of any particular thread, nor that they are going to have any more common sense than the next guy. All it says is they passed the test to get the title. A few even use the title when it's not true, but I don't see a lot of that on this particular group. So, while advice from an MVP CAN be great, it could also be no better than anyone else's responses. As with any group, it's worth lurking first and learning who the better players are. -- My 2 ¢ Pop` D. Spencer Hines wrote: There you have it. Even this MVP uses it. So do I. It's a very useful tool. DSH "John Barnett MVP" wrote in message ... I have to say that I recommend CCleaner and use I [sic] regularly myself.... |
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Bruce Chambers wrote:
D. Spencer Hines wrote: There you have it. Even this MVP uses it. And clearly stated that it did *NOT* provide any performance benefits.... No one has yet insisted that it *will*, only that it's possible in some cases. In fact, I myself explained just that in a prior post. Of the several machines I've used it on, I've seen it help timing twice and straighten out "funnies" many times, and gotten rid of effor messages for non-existing applications many times. Of the times I can specifically recall, there was at least one registry-oriented fix amongst them all that related to the improvements. Time to stop lolly-gagging and let the thread go back to topical discussion if there is any left. You in particular are being a wart on the ass of progress here and should just move on. Pop` So do I. It's a very useful tool. Useful, how, precisely? It doesn't do anything of any value. |
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I'm not singling you out John, because you sound like a
reasonable person. But, this does seem a good place to make a few comments on the arguement s being presented: Very true and well said John, except that it's the cleaning of the registry that isn't resulting in any speed increases, as would be expected, not solely the use of ccleaner or any other "cleaner" for the registry. Personally, rather than this arguing and restating things, I think checking to see if the OP is open to input is in order and if so, then addressing his initial problem is even more in order. IIRC no one but me has chosen to offer him any understanding of what cleaning the registry might accomplish, and where he can look after that's done, assuming it doesn't improve anything perceptibly. But it's been lost in all the arguing and even egocentric comments flying around. The OP be damned, the arguing factions are insisting on taking over the thread at the OP's expense. This happens way too often here lately and should be stopped. Regards John, Pop` John Barnett MVP wrote: yes, DHS, I do use CCleaner and, as I have stated in my original post, regularly recommend it but, unlike you, I haven't seen any speed increase through its use. Once again I have to quote Bruce Chambers in as much as "CCleaner's sole strength lies in its usefulness for cleaning up unused temporary files from the hard drive." If there is any performance, and without testing it rigourously solely for the purpose of ascertaining any increase in performance I would have to say that any such claim to fame regarding current increase in performance, if indeed there is any, is negligible. -- "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... There you have it. Even this MVP uses it. So do I. It's a very useful tool. DSH "John Barnett MVP" wrote in message ... I have to say that I recommend CCleaner and use I [sic] regularly myself.... |
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On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 12:06:48 -0500, "Poprivet`"
wrote: All being an MVP means is they've passed a few tests in one or sometimes more areas of the MS operating system. No, this is not at all correct. First, being an MVP doesn't necessarily have anything to do with Microsoft operating systems. Many people have other specialties, and get their MVP awards for supporting other Microsoft software/technology. There are Word MVPs, Excel MVPs, Publisher MVPs, Access MVPs, Expression MVPs, Outlook MVPs, Security MVPs, and many other types. Second, there is no testing involved. The award is based on a history of providing consistent and accurate advice. For more information about the MVP program, read he http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/ So, while advice from an MVP CAN be great, it could also be no better than anyone else's responses. As with any group, it's worth lurking first and learning who the better players are. I completely agree with that, and have said the same thing in these newsgroups many times. By the way, every MVP was once not an MVP, and every MVP posted good information before he became an MVP (that's how he became one). -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User Please Reply to the Newsgroup |
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That's DSH, kind sir.
CCleaner works for me and provides performance increases. I also regularly use and recommend NTREGOPT.EXE. DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas "John Barnett MVP" wrote in message ... yes, DHS, I do use CCleaner and, as I have stated in my original post, regularly recommend it but, unlike you, I haven't seen any speed increase through its use. Once again I have to quote Bruce Chambers in as much as "CCleaner's sole strength lies in its usefulness for cleaning up unused temporary files from the hard drive." If there is any performance, and without testing it rigourously solely for the purpose of ascertaining any increase in performance I would have to say that any such claim to fame regarding current increase in performance, if indeed there is any, is negligible. -- -- John Barnett MVP Associate Expert Windows - Shell/User Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy, reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable for any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of the use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this mail/post.. "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... There you have it. Even this MVP uses it. So do I. It's a very useful tool. DSH "John Barnett MVP" wrote in message ... I have to say that I recommend CCleaner and use I [sic] regularly myself... |
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I agree...
One needs to be cautious and careful. DSH "Poprivet`" wrote in message ... Yeah, I can't speak for Vista, but ccleaner is pretty good with all the previous versions of windows. I'm pretty curious about Vista and the "run & switch" type thing you mentioned, but not curious enough to buy it since it seems to give me nothing of any advantage over what I currently have and which is very satisfactory. IMO whenever one comes across some purist who says to "never" use a certain application when it's been around for as long as ccleaner (and several others) has and with its good history, they can pretty much be ignored. I would caution however that, as with ANY application that plays with the registry or any system files or functions, one should always RTFM and be certain their data is backed up. At the very least, with XP, do a System State backup first; it's quick and easy to Restore, and more reliable then Restore Points. And every copy of XP is capable of it. HTH Pop` John Barnett MVP wrote: I have to say that I recommend CCleaner and use I regularly myself. While I agree with Bruce Chambers sentiments regarding CCleaner checking what CCleaner is actually removing, in the few years I've been using CCleaner I can't say that I've actually been in a position were CCleaner has located a large amount of 'problems' that needed fixing, even on brand new machine. I purchased a new machine two weeks ago, installed and run CCleaner and it only found 2 problems. Speed increase is probably relative. It is amazing how, after using a registry cleaner one automatically thinks, WoW that certainly improved things when, in reality it has done nothing of the sort. I certainly haven't seen any increase in speed - well that has been noticeable, anyway. One thing I have noticed, with Windows Vista Ultimate at any rate is that when CCleaner is doing general housekeeping, i.e., removing temporary internet files, history etc I am actually seeing a ghost image of Windows Vista's Disk Cleanup Tool, so unless my machine happens to be a fluke I am beginning to ask myself who I actually cleaning what CCleaner or Vista Disk Cleanup? -- "Daave" wrote in message ... No bait. You're the one who made the claim. I've used Ccleaner and have only found the clearing of temp files to be beneficial. If you've done more extensive testing, good for you. But bear in mind that is was YOU who made the claim in the first place! And I still find it interesting you're unwilling to back it up. Belief and knowledge are two different things... "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... Right! He just wants someone else to do his work for him. DSH " db ´¯`·.. )))º` .. ." databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com wrote in message news:%23duS% ... he is a sly one and was just baiting you. if he had such an open mind, he could download the program and test it himself. -- db ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·..)))º`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸)))º¸. )))º·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. )))º`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸)))º "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... I don't give a rat's rear end whether you believe me or not. I'm not trying to sell anything. So, it's not worth my time and effort to post elaborate results of the tests I ran -- which will simply lead to a long thread of worthless back and forth caterwauling. I can use that time far better in other useful pursuits such as managing my stock portfolio, working on the car, writing a historical post or email or doing something nice for my wife -- not necessarily in that order. g I ran controlled tests on nine different machines with various configurations -- using the Registry Cleaner in CCleaner. Performance was improved on all of them -- fewer hangs and pauses, faster loading of applications, faster executions of commands and faster startups and shutdowns. No Glitches -- Removing Something That Should Not Have Been Removed -- No FUD. I have no experience of using other Registry Cleaners -- so I can't speak to them. I do, carefully, sometimes manually remove or make changes to the Registry. So, I'm not a barefoot empiricist. Your Mileage May Vary... So, Run Your Own Tests. Bonne Chance! DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas |
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Poprivet` wrote:
Bruce Chambers wrote: ... CCleaner's sole strength, and the only reason I use it, lies in its usefulness for cleaning up unused temporary files from the hard drive. That sounds a tad suspicious when that ability is available natively . But, you're entitled to your opinion, applicability and reality aside. Pop` "Suspicious?" How so? I could understand if you'd said "redundant" or "unnecessary." The ability to remove temporary files is available natively, as you say, but it's a rather tedious process, as the WinXP disk cleaning routine cleans those files _only_ from the profile of the user running the cleanup utility. If there's only ever one user on the computer, this is fine. But, for computers with by multiple users, one must either log into each individual account and run the disk cleanup, or one must manually clean all of the files out of all of the other user profiles. CCleaner allows one user (with administrative privileges, of course) to clean the temp files out of all - or a few targeted - profiles at once. It's a handy time-saver, primarily. -- Bruce Chambers Help us help you: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has killed a great many philosophers. ~ Denis Diderot |
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Poprivet` wrote:
Because it comes from an MVP doesn't make it that much better than any other thughtful poster on this group. At least two other MVPs will tell you not to use it under any circumstances for registry work. Those same two instead suggest editing the registry manually; completely folly for a lot more people than using a cleaner ever screwed up. While it's true that there is some risk in editing the registry manually, there is far less chance of a single manual registry change rendering the computer unbootable, than there is when allowing a poorly understood software utility to make global changes. And we always advise a backup be made first. All being an MVP means is they've passed a few tests in one or sometimes more areas of the MS operating system. That's good, but it doesn't mean that their expertise is in the area of any particular thread, nor that they are going to have any more common sense than the next guy. All it says is they passed the test to get the title. A few even use the title when it's not true, but I don't see a lot of that on this particular group. No, that's completely wrong. There's no test (other than "the test of time") to become an MVP. The MVP status is awarded for one's having given frequent and consistently accurate technical advice for at least the past year. So, while advice from an MVP CAN be great, it could also be no better than anyone else's responses. As with any group, it's worth lurking first and learning who the better players are. It is true that even MVPs can make mistakes, have opinions, etc. So it's worthwhile, as always, to weigh the various options before choosing a course of action. -- Bruce Chambers Help us help you: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has killed a great many philosophers. ~ Denis Diderot |
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Chambers seems to have a fundamental misunderstanding.
The smart user of CCleaner makes sure he checks each and every Registry Entry Deletion BEFORE deleting it. I certainly do. DSH |
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If you correctly think of how the registry works, its purpose etc. you will
absolutely KNOW that cleaning it (deleting orphan entries etc.) will result in absolutely no increase in performance whatsoever. Ask any intelligent knowledgeable programmer. "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... That's DSH, kind sir. CCleaner works for me and provides performance increases. I also regularly use and recommend NTREGOPT.EXE. DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas "John Barnett MVP" wrote in message ... yes, DHS, I do use CCleaner and, as I have stated in my original post, regularly recommend it but, unlike you, I haven't seen any speed increase through its use. Once again I have to quote Bruce Chambers in as much as "CCleaner's sole strength lies in its usefulness for cleaning up unused temporary files from the hard drive." If there is any performance, and without testing it rigourously solely for the purpose of ascertaining any increase in performance I would have to say that any such claim to fame regarding current increase in performance, if indeed there is any, is negligible. -- -- John Barnett MVP Associate Expert Windows - Shell/User Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy, reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable for any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of the use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this mail/post.. "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... There you have it. Even this MVP uses it. So do I. It's a very useful tool. DSH "John Barnett MVP" wrote in message ... I have to say that I recommend CCleaner and use I [sic] regularly myself... |
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D. Spencer Hines wrote:
Chambers seems to have a fundamental misunderstanding. No, I know the user base quite well, actually. The smart user of CCleaner makes sure he checks each and every Registry Entry Deletion BEFORE deleting it. But will the average home consumer know what to check for? Of course not! That's why they shouldn't use a registry "cleaner." I certainly do. That has no bearing on others, though, does it? And you've still not offered any evidence, whatsoever, that the use of a registry "cleaner" does anything at all useful, even after others have asked you to do so. Why is that? -- Bruce Chambers Help us help you: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has killed a great many philosophers. ~ Denis Diderot |
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And of course you KNOW each and every one?
"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... Chambers seems to have a fundamental misunderstanding. The smart user of CCleaner makes sure he checks each and every Registry Entry Deletion BEFORE deleting it. I certainly do. DSH |
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The Proof Is In The Pudding...
Try CCleaner and NTREGOPT.exe. I use both and see performance increases aplenty. Plus -- this is MUCH safer than trying to make MANUAL changes to the Registry. DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas |
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