Everything is not everything it is cracked up to be

Is there something else that actually does what is needed quickly ?

A whole bunch of files on my PC.

I need to sort by date to see the latest.

Everything sort is dog slow !
Everything is not using a good sort algo !

While it is sorting it is locked up and will not even paint itself if
another app is moved over it.

There is no indication so a sort like other Windows apps e.g. an
hourglass cursor. No excuses please !.

It looks like the Scanning is a single thread. That is old technology.
A good app should span as many threads as there are drives to scan.
Believe you me that this would be another significant improvement.

freeman wrote:
Is there something else that actually does what is needed quickly ?

A whole bunch of files on my PC.

I need to sort by date to see the latest.

Everything sort is dog slow !
Everything is not using a good sort algo !

While it is sorting it is locked up and will not even paint itself if
another app is moved over it.

There is no indication so a sort like other Windows apps e.g. an
hourglass cursor. No excuses please !.

It looks like the Scanning is a single thread. That is old technology.
A good app should span as many threads as there are drives to scan.
Believe you me that this would be another significant improvement.

As another test, you can trade off its behavior, versus
the dog slow sequential search in Agent Ransack, followed
by the fairly good "sort" it does. In Agent Ransack, leave the
file name field blank, select the drive letter)s) you want
to search, and it will return the file names of all the
files on the partitions. Then, click the columns you want
to Sort.

It's pretty hard to find developers who are good
at everything.

Everything.exe was very fast at first, because it was
based on the premise of reading the $MFT directly to get
filenames. But, I gather the size information, is a metadata
distributed at the folder level. And only a laborious
traversal of the disk, can fill in those fields. I would
hope any "sort" function later, would be a faster operation
than the actual collection of the date information.

If the information was in memory, in Everything.exe, the
sort should be pretty fast. However, if it only consults
the collection file, re-reads it each time a request
is carried out, the reading of files (free-format numerics)
can be pretty slow. For Everything.exe to be fast, it would
need to keep the info of each partition, in memory.

If source code is available, look at the source and see
how it works.

Paul

On 4/5/2017 10:05 AM, freeman wrote:
Is there something else that actually does what is needed quickly ?

A whole bunch of files on my PC.

I need to sort by date to see the latest.

Everything sort is dog slow !
Everything is not using a good sort algo !

While it is sorting it is locked up and will not even paint itself if
another app is moved over it.

There is no indication so a sort like other Windows apps e.g. an
hourglass cursor. No excuses please !.

It looks like the Scanning is a single thread. That is old technology.
A good app should span as many threads as there are drives to scan.
Believe you me that this would be another significant improvement.


According to the Web site, version 1.4 will sort much faster.
Unfortunately 1.4 has been in development for over two years. But then,
what do you really expect for freeware.

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On 4/5/2017 9:56 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
On 4/5/2017 10:05 AM, freeman wrote:
Is there something else that actually does what is needed quickly ?

A whole bunch of files on my PC.

I need to sort by date to see the latest.

Everything sort is dog slow !
Everything is not using a good sort algo !

While it is sorting it is locked up and will not even paint itself if
another app is moved over it.

There is no indication so a sort like other Windows apps e.g. an
hourglass cursor. No excuses please !.

It looks like the Scanning is a single thread. That is old technology.
A good app should span as many threads as there are drives to scan.
Believe you me that this would be another significant improvement.


According to the Web site, version 1.4 will sort much faster.
Unfortunately 1.4 has been in development for over two years. But then,
what do you really expect for freeware.


I am running Ver 1.4.0.709b, Not sure if it was an update or fresh install.

Rene

so why dont you sort it by date when you search. I presume you mean,
your using windows explorer searching for something...? Well, in the
window where you put the file name to search out, is set of links
below, to help you tell it how to look for something yes... I always
know what kind of file I am looking for, so I use the extension format
"type", such as pdf file. Its faster than dates. But you can also
search for what "kind" of file it is, like games, folder, documents,
bla bla bla. The only thing wrong with windows explorer, is microsoft
people its queers. They think you can be bisexual with a computer when
you program it for its switches... Also more options are under the
"organize" button for searching. As far as looking at a list, sort by
date is done at the top in the tool bar. YOU must right click on it
while you on a part that has nothing there... You will see where it
says, Name, Date Modified, Type, in that same area, but stay at the
top... If you click on Date Modified, it will reorganize the dates
putting them in order.... Or you can right clik that blank area of the
bar, to put more options of the files on that line, such as Date
created, instead of Modified. It also will reorganize those dates if
you click on it, the Date Created words....

On 4/5/2017 10:05 AM, freeman wrote:
Is there something else that actually does what is needed quickly ?

A whole bunch of files on my PC.

I need to sort by date to see the latest.

Everything sort is dog slow !
Everything is not using a good sort algo !

While it is sorting it is locked up and will not even paint itself if
another app is moved over it.

There is no indication so a sort like other Windows apps e.g. an
hourglass cursor. No excuses please !.

It looks like the Scanning is a single thread. That is old technology.
A good app should span as many threads as there are drives to scan.
Believe you me that this would be another significant improvement.

On 4/5/2017 12:14 PM, Paul wrote:
freeman wrote:
Is there something else that actually does what is needed quickly ?

A whole bunch of files on my PC.

I need to sort by date to see the latest.

Everything sort is dog slow !
Everything is not using a good sort algo !

While it is sorting it is locked up and will not even paint itself if
another app is moved over it.

There is no indication so a sort like other Windows apps e.g. an
hourglass cursor. No excuses please !.

It looks like the Scanning is a single thread. That is old technology.
A good app should span as many threads as there are drives to scan.
Believe you me that this would be another significant improvement.

As another test, you can trade off its behavior, versus
the dog slow sequential search in Agent Ransack, followed
by the fairly good "sort" it does. In Agent Ransack, leave the
file name field blank, select the drive letter)s) you want
to search, and it will return the file names of all the
files on the partitions. Then, click the columns you want
to Sort.

It's pretty hard to find developers who are good
at everything.

Everything.exe was very fast at first, because it was
based on the premise of reading the $MFT directly to get
filenames. But, I gather the size information, is a metadata
distributed at the folder level. And only a laborious
traversal of the disk, can fill in those fields. I would
hope any "sort" function later, would be a faster operation
than the actual collection of the date information.

If the information was in memory, in Everything.exe, the
sort should be pretty fast. However, if it only consults
the collection file, re-reads it each time a request
is carried out, the reading of files (free-format numerics)
can be pretty slow. For Everything.exe to be fast, it would
need to keep the info of each partition, in memory.

If source code is available, look at the source and see
how it works.

Paul
your nuts, this person is not an operator, and knows absolute nothing
of what she is speaking of... It does not need multiple threads.
For crying out loud, she does not switch the behavior. W.E. searches in
just about any way type anyting anyone wants it to search for. And its
not slow, unless you leave it alone like she is doing.... Is she so
dumb she knows not what she is looking for. For its all there, she just
has to set the switches. Then do the search.

If she needs a data base, then she should use one... sql... Or even
a spread sheet...

On Thu, 06 Apr 2017 17:48:05 -0700, tesla sTinker
wrote:

your nuts, this person is not an operator, and knows absolute nothing
of what she is speaking of... It does not need multiple threads.
For crying out loud, she does not switch the behavior. W.E. searches in
just about any way type anyting anyone wants it to search for. And its
not slow, unless you leave it alone like she is doing.... Is she so
dumb she knows not what she is looking for. For its all there, she just
has to set the switches. Then do the search.

If she needs a data base, then she should use one... sql... Or even
a spread sheet...

Sounds like you're not familiar with the topic of this thread,
Everything Search from www.voidtools.com. You should check it out. I
think you'll like it much better than Windows Search.

For the things that Everything can't do, such as searching for strings
within a file, check out Agent Ransack.
https://mythicsoft.com/agentransack


--

Char Jackson

On Fri, 07 Apr 2017 00:41:44 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Apr 2017 17:48:05 -0700, tesla sTinker
wrote:

your nuts, this person is not an operator, and knows absolute nothing
of what she is speaking of... It does not need multiple threads.
For crying out loud, she does not switch the behavior. W.E. searches in
just about any way type anyting anyone wants it to search for. And its
not slow, unless you leave it alone like she is doing.... Is she so
dumb she knows not what she is looking for. For its all there, she just
has to set the switches. Then do the search.

If she needs a data base, then she should use one... sql... Or even
a spread sheet...

Sounds like you're not familiar with the topic of this thread,
Everything Search from www.voidtools.com. You should check it out. I
think you'll like it much better than Windows Search.

For the things that Everything can't do, such as searching for strings
within a file, check out Agent Ransack.
https://mythicsoft.com/agentransack


Just to strengthen your recommendation with another voice, I
completely agree. I use Everything or Agent Ransack for all my
searches, and never use Windows search.

On 4/7/2017 10:07 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Fri, 07 Apr 2017 00:41:44 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Apr 2017 17:48:05 -0700, tesla sTinker
wrote:

your nuts, this person is not an operator, and knows absolute nothing
of what she is speaking of... It does not need multiple threads.
For crying out loud, she does not switch the behavior. W.E. searches in
just about any way type anyting anyone wants it to search for. And its
not slow, unless you leave it alone like she is doing.... Is she so
dumb she knows not what she is looking for. For its all there, she just
has to set the switches. Then do the search.

If she needs a data base, then she should use one... sql... Or even
a spread sheet...

Sounds like you're not familiar with the topic of this thread,
Everything Search from www.voidtools.com. You should check it out. I
think you'll like it much better than Windows Search.

For the things that Everything can't do, such as searching for strings
within a file, check out Agent Ransack.
https://mythicsoft.com/agentransack


Just to strengthen your recommendation with another voice, I
completely agree. I use Everything or Agent Ransack for all my
searches, and never use Windows search.



+2

Rene

You know-ith not of what you speak so go back to your car-car and fiddle
or diddle you twit.

In message , tesla sTinker
writes:
so why dont you sort it by date when you search. I presume you mean,
your using windows explorer searching for something...? Well, in the

No, using "Everything", from www.voidtools.com . Please try it before
responding again. When searching for file_name_, it can search the
entire disc as fast as you can type the individual letters of the
filename; Windows Explorer is nowhere near as fast. "Everything" isn't
all that fast when you tell it to sort a _large_ number of files (e. g.
all the files on a disc) by date, though.
[]
--
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On Sat, 8 Apr 2017 07:02:19 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , tesla sTinker
writes:
so why dont you sort it by date when you search. I presume you mean,
your using windows explorer searching for something...? Well, in the

No, using "Everything", from www.voidtools.com . Please try it before
responding again. When searching for file_name_, it can search the
entire disc as fast as you can type the individual letters of the
filename; Windows Explorer is nowhere near as fast. "Everything" isn't
all that fast when you tell it to sort a _large_ number of files (e. g.
all the files on a disc) by date, though.
[]

I think we've established that Everything 1.3.x is rather slow at
sorting large numbers of files, but 1.4.x only takes a second or two,
regardless of which field you sort on.

--

Char Jackson

In message , Char Jackson
writes:
[]
I think we've established that Everything 1.3.x is rather slow at
sorting large numbers of files, but 1.4.x only takes a second or two,
regardless of which field you sort on.

Thanks. (tesla sTinker hadn't realised we weren't using Windows
Explorer, but that's just him.) As you say, 1.4.x sorts my entire disc
(two partitions) by date almost instantly.

http://www.voidtools.com/ only offers 1.3.4 (1.3.4.686), and 1.4.1 beta
(1.4.1.809b); I wouldn't normally go for a beta version, but it's worth
(to me) any risk, in this case, for the improvement. [There don't seem
to be any "stable" version of 1.4 - although I'm sure his betas are more
stable than many other coder's official release, such as Microsoft ...
(-:]
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

I too prefer constructive decay to futile progress. (George Mikes, "How to be
Decadent" [1977].)

On 08 Apr 2017, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote
in alt.windows7.general:

http://www.voidtools.com/ only offers 1.3.4 (1.3.4.686), and 1.4.1
beta (1.4.1.809b); I wouldn't normally go for a beta version, but
it's worth (to me) any risk, in this case, for the improvement.
[There don't seem to be any "stable" version of 1.4 - although I'm
sure his betas are more stable than many other coder's official
release, such as Microsoft ... (-:]

I haven't ever noticed any problems with beta 1.4, or any other
versions of Everything. They've all been perfectly stable for me.

On Mon, 10 Apr 2017 22:09:23 +0100, Nil
wrote:

On 08 Apr 2017, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote
in alt.windows7.general:

http://www.voidtools.com/ only offers 1.3.4 (1.3.4.686), and 1.4.1
beta (1.4.1.809b); I wouldn't normally go for a beta version, but
it's worth (to me) any risk, in this case, for the improvement.
[There don't seem to be any "stable" version of 1.4 - although I'm
sure his betas are more stable than many other coder's official
release, such as Microsoft ... (-:]

I haven't ever noticed any problems with beta 1.4, or any other
versions of Everything. They've all been perfectly stable for me.

Seems OK with my NTFS C partition. Can it also search my FAT32 D drive?

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