Leythos and the Motherboard LIE

On Wed, 3 Nov 2010 12:21:16 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 20:06:09 +0100, Alias wrote:

On 11/03/2010 07:56 PM, Leythos wrote:
In ,
lid says...

On Tue, 2 Nov 2010 15:54:53 -0400,
wrote:

In ,
lid says...

If you have EULA questions, take them up with someone else. I've only
been correcting your many false technical claims. Thanks to this
thread, you now know a lot more about computer hardware than you did a
few days ago.

No, you've been diverting the discussion - time and time again.

Call it what you like. I've been correcting your mistakes, and there
have been plenty in this thread. Technical discussions aren't your
strong suit. If that's "diverting" to you, then so be it.

What does the software run on that is considered in context of the EULA.

According to what you posted, the software runs on the computer, but I
know you don't like that answer and you'll now redefine the question,
so go ahead.

According to the MS EULA, as was posted in another thread - the license
(OEM) is tied to the part that runs the software....


And that's the computer, not one component which is why the word
"motherboard" is not mentioned in the EULA. They know that a motherboard
without a power supply, RAM, etc. won't run Windows. I wonder when the
**** you will realize this.

August 17, 2031, at 11:45 am.

You're an optimist! I like that. :-)

--

Char Jackson

On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 18:04:14 -0500, Char Jackson wrote:

On Wed, 3 Nov 2010 12:21:16 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 20:06:09 +0100, Alias wrote:

On 11/03/2010 07:56 PM, Leythos wrote:
In ,
lid says...

On Tue, 2 Nov 2010 15:54:53 -0400,
wrote:

In ,
lid says...

If you have EULA questions, take them up with someone else. I've only
been correcting your many false technical claims. Thanks to this
thread, you now know a lot more about computer hardware than you did a
few days ago.

No, you've been diverting the discussion - time and time again.

Call it what you like. I've been correcting your mistakes, and there
have been plenty in this thread. Technical discussions aren't your
strong suit. If that's "diverting" to you, then so be it.

What does the software run on that is considered in context of the EULA.

According to what you posted, the software runs on the computer, but I
know you don't like that answer and you'll now redefine the question,
so go ahead.

According to the MS EULA, as was posted in another thread - the license
(OEM) is tied to the part that runs the software....


And that's the computer, not one component which is why the word
"motherboard" is not mentioned in the EULA. They know that a motherboard
without a power supply, RAM, etc. won't run Windows. I wonder when the
**** you will realize this.

August 17, 2031, at 11:45 am.

You're an optimist! I like that. :-)

It's true. It could be as late as 6:21 pm on that date, but I did feel
like an optimist...

Mostly I've tried to stay out of this thread. I've been lurking in it
out of some sort of morbid curiosity, but every once in a while, I can
resist no longer :-)

For example: I never mentioned (until now, foolish me!) that I have
bought many motherboards. They were advertised as motherboards, the
store called them motherboards on the shelf labels, Tom's Hardware
called them motherboards in their reviews, the boxes were labeled
"motherboard", and the manuals called them motherboards on the cover and
title pages as well as in the text inside. The phrase "motherboard
assembly" never appeared, not even once.

Every last one of them had many components soldered in. Northbridge
chips, southbridge chips, BIOS chips, voltage regulators, resistors,
capacitors, serial or USB ports, and on and on. Not one of them was a
blank board devoid of soldered-in or plugged-in components. Also none of
them came with a CPU or RAM installed.

And not one of them ran Windows - or even DOS - out of the box :-)

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Thu, 4 Nov 2010 11:11:24 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 18:04:14 -0500, Char Jackson wrote:

On Wed, 3 Nov 2010 12:21:16 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 20:06:09 +0100, Alias wrote:

On 11/03/2010 07:56 PM, Leythos wrote:
In ,
lid says...

On Tue, 2 Nov 2010 15:54:53 -0400,
wrote:

In ,
lid says...

If you have EULA questions, take them up with someone else. I've only
been correcting your many false technical claims. Thanks to this
thread, you now know a lot more about computer hardware than you did a
few days ago.

No, you've been diverting the discussion - time and time again.

Call it what you like. I've been correcting your mistakes, and there
have been plenty in this thread. Technical discussions aren't your
strong suit. If that's "diverting" to you, then so be it.

What does the software run on that is considered in context of the EULA.

According to what you posted, the software runs on the computer, but I
know you don't like that answer and you'll now redefine the question,
so go ahead.

According to the MS EULA, as was posted in another thread - the license
(OEM) is tied to the part that runs the software....


And that's the computer, not one component which is why the word
"motherboard" is not mentioned in the EULA. They know that a motherboard
without a power supply, RAM, etc. won't run Windows. I wonder when the
**** you will realize this.

August 17, 2031, at 11:45 am.

You're an optimist! I like that. :-)

It's true. It could be as late as 6:21 pm on that date, but I did feel
like an optimist...

Mostly I've tried to stay out of this thread. I've been lurking in it
out of some sort of morbid curiosity, but every once in a while, I can
resist no longer :-)

I know the feeling. I was watching from a distance myself, but when he
claimed that a motherboard has storage and can run an OS and apps, I
just had to make a correction. After that it was off to the races. :-)

For example: I never mentioned (until now, foolish me!) that I have
bought many motherboards. They were advertised as motherboards, the
store called them motherboards on the shelf labels, Tom's Hardware
called them motherboards in their reviews, the boxes were labeled
"motherboard", and the manuals called them motherboards on the cover and
title pages as well as in the text inside. The phrase "motherboard
assembly" never appeared, not even once.

I've been involved with personal computers since 1982 and other kinds
of electronic devices (TV's, radios, military test equipment, etc.)
since the early '70's, and my experiences exactly match yours.

'Motherboard assembly' is redundant. It's simply a motherboard. If it
didn't have the components soldered on and was just a bare board, it
would be a circuit board but not a motherboard. I think that little
side trip was an effort to divert attention.

Every last one of them had many components soldered in. Northbridge
chips, southbridge chips, BIOS chips, voltage regulators, resistors,
capacitors, serial or USB ports, and on and on. Not one of them was a
blank board devoid of soldered-in or plugged-in components. Also none of
them came with a CPU or RAM installed.

And not one of them ran Windows - or even DOS - out of the box :-)

I remember running across some equipment in the Air Force many years
ago where the CPU and RAM were soldered onto the motherboard, but that
equipment had very little in common with what we know as PC hardware.
Mark is also ex-military, Navy I think, but he shouldn't have let that
confuse him. I think he just painted himself into a corner and didn't
know how to exit gracefully, so he continued to dig. ;-)

--

Char Jackson

In article ,
lid says...

On Thu, 4 Nov 2010 11:11:24 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 18:04:14 -0500, Char Jackson wrote:

On Wed, 3 Nov 2010 12:21:16 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 20:06:09 +0100, Alias wrote:

On 11/03/2010 07:56 PM, Leythos wrote:
In ,
lid says...

On Tue, 2 Nov 2010 15:54:53 -0400,
wrote:

In ,
lid says...

If you have EULA questions, take them up with someone else. I've only
been correcting your many false technical claims. Thanks to this
thread, you now know a lot more about computer hardware than you did a
few days ago.

No, you've been diverting the discussion - time and time again.

Call it what you like. I've been correcting your mistakes, and there
have been plenty in this thread. Technical discussions aren't your
strong suit. If that's "diverting" to you, then so be it.

What does the software run on that is considered in context of the EULA.

According to what you posted, the software runs on the computer, but I
know you don't like that answer and you'll now redefine the question,
so go ahead.

According to the MS EULA, as was posted in another thread - the license
(OEM) is tied to the part that runs the software....


And that's the computer, not one component which is why the word
"motherboard" is not mentioned in the EULA. They know that a motherboard
without a power supply, RAM, etc. won't run Windows. I wonder when the
**** you will realize this.

August 17, 2031, at 11:45 am.

You're an optimist! I like that. :-)

It's true. It could be as late as 6:21 pm on that date, but I did feel
like an optimist...

Mostly I've tried to stay out of this thread. I've been lurking in it
out of some sort of morbid curiosity, but every once in a while, I can
resist no longer :-)

I know the feeling. I was watching from a distance myself, but when he
claimed that a motherboard has storage and can run an OS and apps, I
just had to make a correction. After that it was off to the races. :-)

For example: I never mentioned (until now, foolish me!) that I have
bought many motherboards. They were advertised as motherboards, the
store called them motherboards on the shelf labels, Tom's Hardware
called them motherboards in their reviews, the boxes were labeled
"motherboard", and the manuals called them motherboards on the cover and
title pages as well as in the text inside. The phrase "motherboard
assembly" never appeared, not even once.

I've been involved with personal computers since 1982 and other kinds
of electronic devices (TV's, radios, military test equipment, etc.)
since the early '70's, and my experiences exactly match yours.

'Motherboard assembly' is redundant. It's simply a motherboard. If it
didn't have the components soldered on and was just a bare board, it
would be a circuit board but not a motherboard. I think that little
side trip was an effort to divert attention.

Every last one of them had many components soldered in. Northbridge
chips, southbridge chips, BIOS chips, voltage regulators, resistors,
capacitors, serial or USB ports, and on and on. Not one of them was a
blank board devoid of soldered-in or plugged-in components. Also none of
them came with a CPU or RAM installed.

And not one of them ran Windows - or even DOS - out of the box :-)

I remember running across some equipment in the Air Force many years
ago where the CPU and RAM were soldered onto the motherboard, but that
equipment had very little in common with what we know as PC hardware.
Mark is also ex-military, Navy I think, but he shouldn't have let that
confuse him. I think he just painted himself into a corner and didn't
know how to exit gracefully, so he continued to dig. ;-)

Every motherboard I have in my office has memory on it before I even
install additional RAM modules - so, technically, it has "Storage"
without adding RAM. You don't seem to look at the details, only the
overview.

Yes, I remember the days of Core memory as well as having to build
computers from perf-board and chips and having to build our own simple
video interfaces... What we have now is a lot different.

--
You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little
voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that.
Trust yourself.
(remove 999 for proper email address)

On Fri, 5 Nov 2010 16:00:58 -0400, Leythos
wrote:

Every motherboard I have in my office has memory on it before I even
install additional RAM modules - so, technically, it has "Storage"
without adding RAM.

Put a fork in it, Mark. No one's buying what you're selling.

--

Char Jackson

In article ,
lid says...

On Fri, 5 Nov 2010 16:00:58 -0400, Leythos
wrote:

Every motherboard I have in my office has memory on it before I even
install additional RAM modules - so, technically, it has "Storage"
without adding RAM.

Put a fork in it, Mark. No one's buying what you're selling.

Why don't you put a fork in it?

--
You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little
voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that.
Trust yourself.
(remove 999 for proper email address)

On 11/06/2010 06:35 PM, Leythos wrote:
In ,
lid says...

On Fri, 5 Nov 2010 16:00:58 -0400,
wrote:

Every motherboard I have in my office has memory on it before I even
install additional RAM modules - so, technically, it has "Storage"
without adding RAM.

Put a fork in it, Mark. No one's buying what you're selling.

Why don't you put a fork in it?


More like your posts in this thread are all forked up.

--
Alias

On Sat, 6 Nov 2010 13:35:39 -0400, Leythos wrote:

In article ,
lid says...

On Fri, 5 Nov 2010 16:00:58 -0400, Leythos
wrote:

Every motherboard I have in my office has memory on it before I even
install additional RAM modules - so, technically, it has "Storage"
without adding RAM.

Put a fork in it, Mark. No one's buying what you're selling.

Why don't you put a fork in it?

He doesn't have tine.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)