Leythos and the Motherboard LIE

On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 20:16:45 -0400, Leythos wrote:

In article , not-
lid says...
In the Mac world, a hard drive will work as a computer...Well, sort
of...

You can clone your C: drive (joke) to an external drive and boot any
other Mac(*) from that drive, and it looks like you're on your original
computer. And you get no complaints from the OS.


Not correct, the HARD DRIVE has NO CAPACITY TO RUN THE OS AT ALL. The
hard drive is just storage, no ability to run the OS.

You have to connect the HARD DRIVE to a motherboard assembly and load
the OS into memory ON THE MOTHERBOARD.

So you are saying that even though I have done what I said, I actually
didn't?

Thanks for the educational post.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

In article ,
lids says...
You're the one spinning like a top, Mark. Motherboards cannot run
Windows without a power supply, hard drive, RAM and a video card. Hence,
the motherboard cannot -- by itself -- be considered a computer and
changing it is not moving Windows to another computer and nor is it
violating *any* EULA.


You are wrong again - if you purchase a "Computer" the determining
factor is the Motherboard and CPU over anything else.

You continue to show your incompetence and trolling.

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voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that.
Trust yourself.
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In article ,
says...

On 30 Oct 2010, Leythos wrote in
alt.windows7.general:

The motherboard IS an assembly, period. You are not going to buy a
bare motherboard without the components.

Sure you are. Or at least, Sure I are. I usually boy all the bare
components, including the motherboard, memory, and CPU, from different
sources.

You're showing that you don't understand what I wrote - the MOTHERBOARD
contains many things, chips, resisters, caps, etc... The actual
motherboard, technically, is just the blank board. The Motherboard
Assembly is the Bare Board with the components mounted on it.

Now you know more than you did a few posts ago.

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voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that.
Trust yourself.
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In article ,
lid says...

On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 11:45:18 -0400, Nil
wrote:

On 30 Oct 2010, Leythos wrote in
alt.windows7.general:

The motherboard IS an assembly, period. You are not going to buy a
bare motherboard without the components.

Sure you are. Or at least, Sure I are. I usually boy all the bare
components, including the motherboard, memory, and CPU, from different
sources.

Same here. Mark's been around forever and I know he knows better, but
he seems to have backed himself into a corner and would rather argue
than admit a simple mistake.

The mistake was with the readers comprehension of what I wrote - the
difference between a BOARD and an ASSEMBLY with a board.

A board is actually, technically, unpopulated, bare - a Motherboard
Assembly would contain the sockets, resisters, chips, etc...

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In article ,
lid says...

On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 08:56:59 -0400, Leythos
wrote:

In article ,
says...

So now it's a "motherboard assembly" and no longer just a
"motherboard"? Nice try, Mark, but no cigar. You're busted.

The motherboard IS an assembly, period. You are not going to buy a bare
motherboard without the components.

I don't know where you're buying your "motherboard assemblies", but
the rest of us typically buy a bare motherboard and add the rest of
the components ourselves. To me and others, a motherboard is simply a
motherboard. It's not a code word meaning a motherboard plus some
unspecified components. If you want to use your own definitions for
common terms, you should define them up front rather than at the tail
end like this.

Like I just in another post, you've been around forever, Mark. I know
you know better.

As I've already explained my reason for using Assembly vs Motherboard
alone, I have yet to see the "Board" for sale as just the board, without
components installed, as I've described already in other replies.

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You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little
voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that.
Trust yourself.
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In article ,
lid says...

On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 09:01:09 -0400, Leythos
wrote:

The motherboard is comprised of many parts that make up an ASSEMBLY, it
was technically incorrect to just call it a motherboard as the "BOARD"
could be twisted (as you've tried and alias has done) as meaning just
the board without ANY components on it - that's why I corrected "MY"
wording and included ASSEMBLY so that you spinners would not be able to
play that card - but it appears you want to keep spinning.

The fact is that the motherboard with components mounted to it as most
would expect is an assembly capable of running software. That is the
deciding factor of what the COMPUTER is, not the case, not the drives,
not the PSU, not the fans, not the power cord....

Spin it now matter how you want, but only people trying to validate
cheating on the license think otherwise.

I'm not going to accuse you of not knowing anything about computers,
Mark. I know you know better than what you're showing in this thread.
Your lame attempt at redefining a motherboard to be more than a
motherboard is just silly. The problem with redefining terms like
you're trying to do is that you're not the only one who knows
something about computers. Many of us do.

You do understand that the "Board" in technical terms is the square,
green in most cases, multi-layer, "board" with lettering and traces on
it - without chips, sockets, etc... Once the base components are
installed, chips, sockets, resisters, caps, etc.. it becomes a
"Motherboard Assembly".


By the way, I see you still haven't figured out how to configure your
newsreader to display the poster's name when you compose a reply.
That's not related specifically to this thread, of course, except
perhaps to illustrate less of a general understanding on your part
than you would lead others to believe.

My usenet client is fully compliant and works as it has for more than 20
years.

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You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little
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Trust yourself.
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On 30 Oct 2010, Leythos wrote in
alt.windows7.general:

You're showing that you don't understand what I wrote - the
MOTHERBOARD contains many things, chips, resisters, caps, etc...
The actual motherboard, technically, is just the blank board. The
Motherboard Assembly is the Bare Board with the components mounted
on it.

The discussion explicitly included the RAM. The motherboard does not
include that, nor the CPU, nor several other components necessary for a
functioning computer. "The Motherboard" does not equal "the motherboard
assembly".

Now you know more than you did a few posts ago.

Yes, I do. I now know not to pay much mind to what you say.

On 10/29/2010 5:09 AM, Alias wrote:
I've asked Leythos to produce one EULA for Windows that says the
motherboard is what defines a machine as a computer and if one upgrades
one's motherboard, it's considered a new computer and a new license must
be purchased to stay within EULA rules. The only thing this lame troll
has come up with are condescending insults.

A la you?
oops!

The thing he can't come up
with is an EULA that would prove his contention.


The EULA is nothing but a straw man diversion for you, who has publicly
stated that you don't think the EULA is legally enforceable, so why put
an credence into it.
So why are you pursuing this thread.

On 10/31/2010 02:13 AM, Leythos wrote:
In ,
lids says...
You're the one spinning like a top, Mark. Motherboards cannot run
Windows without a power supply, hard drive, RAM and a video card. Hence,
the motherboard cannot -- by itself -- be considered a computer and
changing it is not moving Windows to another computer and nor is it
violating *any* EULA.


You are wrong again - if you purchase a "Computer" the determining
factor is the Motherboard and CPU over anything else.

You continue to show your incompetence and trolling.


"Determining factor"? LOL! A computer is a system and without all the
necessary components: hard drive, gobs of memory, video card, audio
card, CPU, keyboard, monitor, mouse motherboard and case, you ain't
a-gonna run Windows 7. Full stop. I'd like to remind you we are talking
about the EULA of a generic OEM copy of Windows 7 and Windows 7 needs
all the above to run properly. Ya know, the EULA that makes NO mention
of a motherboard.

--
Alias

In article ,
says...

On 30 Oct 2010, Leythos wrote in
alt.windows7.general:

You're showing that you don't understand what I wrote - the
MOTHERBOARD contains many things, chips, resisters, caps, etc...
The actual motherboard, technically, is just the blank board. The
Motherboard Assembly is the Bare Board with the components mounted
on it.

The discussion explicitly included the RAM. The motherboard does not
include that, nor the CPU, nor several other components necessary for a
functioning computer. "The Motherboard" does not equal "the motherboard
assembly".

Now you know more than you did a few posts ago.

Yes, I do. I now know not to pay much mind to what you say.

You're not thinking properly - the Assembly includes the CPU, RAM and
other components that are installed ON THE MOTHERBOARD - without them as
an Assembly they could not run the software.

--
You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little
voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that.
Trust yourself.
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In article ,
lid says...
Ya know, the EULA that makes NO mention
of a motherboard.



And yet it does indicate, as I've shown from MS, that the determining
factor is the motherboard assembly as it's the only part capable of
running the MS software.

--
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voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that.
Trust yourself.
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On 10/31/2010 12:22 PM, Leythos wrote:
In ,
lid says...
Ya know, the EULA that makes NO mention
of a motherboard.



And yet it does indicate, as I've shown from MS, that the determining
factor is the motherboard assembly as it's the only part capable of
running the MS software.


No, it doesn't and you've been refuted time and time again. Admit you're
wrong like a man and stop squirming. First you said motherboard and now
you're saying motherboard assembly. What components are you including in
this "assembly", another term NOT included in *any* EULA, the ONLY
document one has to agree to and abide by to use Windows?

--
Alias

On 10/31/2010 12:21 PM, Leythos wrote:
In ,
says...

On 30 Oct 2010, wrote in
alt.windows7.general:

You're showing that you don't understand what I wrote - the
MOTHERBOARD contains many things, chips, resisters, caps, etc...
The actual motherboard, technically, is just the blank board. The
Motherboard Assembly is the Bare Board with the components mounted
on it.

The discussion explicitly included the RAM. The motherboard does not
include that, nor the CPU, nor several other components necessary for a
functioning computer. "The Motherboard" does not equal "the motherboard
assembly".

Now you know more than you did a few posts ago.

Yes, I do. I now know not to pay much mind to what you say.

You're not thinking properly - the Assembly includes the CPU, RAM and
other components that are installed ON THE MOTHERBOARD - without them as
an Assembly they could not run the software.


No hard drive, no Windows. No monitor, no Windows. No keyboard, no
windows. Please stick to the only document one has to agree to and abide
by: the EULA. We are not talking about running the BIOS but Windows.

--
Alias

On 10/29/2010 9:41 PM, Peter Foldes wrote:
b. License Model. Subject to Section 2 (b) below, the software is
licensed
on a per copy per computer basis. A computer is a physical hardware
system
with an internal storage device capable of running the software. A
hardware
partition or blade is considered to be a separate computer

Alias.

That is the Mainboard or Motherboard being described as per above


Um, the software is Windows, not the BIOS. No hard drive, no Windows. No
keyboard, good luck installing Windows. No monitor, ibid. No video card
and Windows won't operated properly, etc., etc., etc. The ONLY "internal
storage device capable of running the software" is a hard drive, not the
motherboard.

--
Alias

On 10/30/2010 14:22, johnbee wrote:
"Boscoe" wrote in message news
On 30/10/2010 2:57 PM, Alias wrote:
On 10/30/2010 02:56 PM, Leythos wrote:
In ,
lids says...

On 10/30/2010 02:18 AM, Leythos wrote:
And the Power supply has no ability to run the OS - making you an
idiot
again.



Without it, you won't run jack ****. It's part of the computer, dumb
****.

Keep showing your massive ignorance, it's funny watching you spin in
circles getting nowhere.


LOL! The irony! When you're refuted *all* you can do is hurl
condescending personal attacks. Game, set, match, you lose!


Microsoft says...

"Since the motherboard contains the CPU and is the "heart and soul" of
the PC, when the motherboard is replaced (for reasons other than defect)
a new PC is essentially created. The original system builder did not
manufacture this new PC, and therefore cannot be expected to support it."

Full answer:

"Generally, an end user can upgrade or replace all of the hardware
components on a computer—except the motherboard—and still retain the
license for the original Microsoft OEM operating system software. If the
motherboard is upgraded or replaced for reasons other than a defect,
then a new computer has been created. Microsoft OEM operating system
software cannot be transferred to the new computer, and the license of
new operating system software is required. If the motherboard is
replaced because it is defective, you do not need to acquire a new
operating system license for the PC as long as the replacement
motherboard is the same make/model or the same manufacturer's
replacement/equivalent, as defined by the manufacturer's warranty.

The reason for this licensing rule primarily relates to the End User
Software License Terms and the support of the software covered by that
End User Software License Terms. The End User Software License Terms is
a set of usage rights granted to the end user by the PC manufacturer and
relates only to rights for that software as installed on that particular
PC. The system builder is required to support the software on the
original PC. Understanding that end users, over time, upgrade their PCs
with different components, Microsoft needed to have one base component
"left standing" that would still define the original PC. Since the
motherboard contains the CPU and is the "heart and soul" of the PC, when
the motherboard is replaced (for reasons other than defect) a new PC is
essentially created. The original system builder did not manufacture
this new PC, and therefore cannot be expected to support it."

Let's see now. You are saying that if you buy a new PC and chuck the old
one away you can install Windows 7 on the new one with absolutely no
need to buy another disk but if you change a component of your PC you do
have to buy a new disk. I changed your word 'acquire' there into 'buy'.

Also you say that if a new, different, motherboard from a different
manufacturer is put into the PC the original system builder can not be
expected to support the PC any more.

Both of those points seem to defy common sense. My PC was built by a
company named PC Specialist and they give web and telephone support (not
that I have ever needed it because it works). Also they provide a
service that if I want them to do something to it, they will do it
including changing anything which I originally requested - that
certainly includes the motherboard, and if I ask them to put one in they
will, I assure you, continue to support it, and I would expect that to
be the case, as long as I pay them, obviously.

On the first point, I can assure you that your disk and product key can
be used to install and run Windows 7 as many times as you like on as
many PCs as you want. The restriction is that you must only have it on
one PC at a time.


What you say ONLY applies to Retail licenses, NOT OEM, which is what is
being discussed. As to PC Specialist, if they built the machine and
maintain/warranty then it is their responsibility to ensure that the
licensing is proper. If they sold you a retail license, YOU can/could
move it to a different PC, but if an OEM license is installed, YOU can't
move it or replace the motherboard willy-nilly and be in compliance with
the terms.