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BillW50 wrote:

In ,
Ken Blake wrote:
On Sun, 29 Apr 2012 11:43:46 -0400, "QuestionQuigley"
wrote:


How does one set a newsgroup response in Live mail so that the
original posting is indented or marked off with a symbol such as "."

I can seem to find a way to do that.

Right, that's one of the reasons that Windows Live Mail is such a poor
choice.

I do it all of the time, even when I use WLM.

You forgot an important qualifier in your reply: manually.

"I do it MANUALLY all of the time, even when I use WLM."

I could use a newsreader that doesn't strip out signatures in my replies
so I have to do it manually, but there are lots of choices for
newsreaders where that operation is performed automatically. WLM users
have to waste their time doing manually what Microsoft removed as a
function available in pre-15 versions of WLM.

In ,
Alias wrote:
On 4/29/2012 7:08 PM, BillW50 wrote:
In ,
Alias wrote:
On 4/29/2012 6:44 PM, BillW50 wrote:
In ,
Alias wrote:
On 4/29/2012 5:43 PM, QuestionQuigley wrote:

How does one set a newsgroup response in Live mail so that the
original posting is indented or marked off with a symbol such as
"." I can seem to find a way to do that.

Thanks,

Quigley

Can't be done. Microsoft doesn't want you going to Usenet ever
since they nuked their Usenet servers' MS newsgroups. Try
Thunderbird; it's similar to Windows Live Mail.

Thunderbird is not even close to WLM. In fact, it isn't close to
anything. As what other product do you know that takes two days
looking to configure something in the configuration editor to learn
it wasn't there to begin with? I mean besides crappy Firefox?

I can't help it if you're too stupid to figure out simple things.

You wish it was simple. That is ok, close your eyes, click your heels
three times and make a wish. And it will happen too. ;-)

I haven't had problem one with Thunderbird in Windows or Linux. You
have endless problems. Can you connect the dots?

Yeah I connected the dots Alias! Dumb people like you are always
satisfied with crappy software. Intelligent people on the other hand
won't put up with that crap.

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On Sun, 29 Apr 2012 10:53:36 -0500, "BillW50" wrote:

In ,
John Williamson wrote:
QuestionQuigley wrote:

How does one set a newsgroup response in Live mail so that the
original posting is indented or marked off with a symbol such as "."

I can seem to find a way to do that.

Try the steps on this page:-

http://www.dusko-lolic.from.hr/wlmquote/

Or give up and start using a decent program, such as Thunderbird,
Turnpike or Agent.

Thunderbird, Turnpike, and Agent are terrible! Why do you push that crap
for?

I don't know about Thunderbird or Turnpike I've never used them but
Agent is definitely not crap. I think I would have noticed as I have
been using Agent since 1995.

Steve

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On 4/29/2012 7:22 PM, BillW50 wrote:
In ,
Alias wrote:
On 4/29/2012 7:08 PM, BillW50 wrote:
In ,
Alias wrote:
On 4/29/2012 6:44 PM, BillW50 wrote:
In ,
Alias wrote:
On 4/29/2012 5:43 PM, QuestionQuigley wrote:

How does one set a newsgroup response in Live mail so that the
original posting is indented or marked off with a symbol such as
"." I can seem to find a way to do that.

Thanks,

Quigley

Can't be done. Microsoft doesn't want you going to Usenet ever
since they nuked their Usenet servers' MS newsgroups. Try
Thunderbird; it's similar to Windows Live Mail.

Thunderbird is not even close to WLM. In fact, it isn't close to
anything. As what other product do you know that takes two days
looking to configure something in the configuration editor to learn
it wasn't there to begin with? I mean besides crappy Firefox?

I can't help it if you're too stupid to figure out simple things.

You wish it was simple. That is ok, close your eyes, click your heels
three times and make a wish. And it will happen too. ;-)

I haven't had problem one with Thunderbird in Windows or Linux. You
have endless problems. Can you connect the dots?

Yeah I connected the dots Alias! Dumb people like you are always
satisfied with crappy software. Intelligent people on the other hand
won't put up with that crap.


Dots ain't connected, sorry.

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Alias

In ,
VanguardLH wrote:
BillW50 wrote:

In ,
John Williamson wrote:
QuestionQuigley wrote:

How does one set a newsgroup response in Live mail so that the
original posting is indented or marked off with a symbol such as
"."

I can seem to find a way to do that.

Try the steps on this page:-

http://www.dusko-lolic.from.hr/wlmquote/

Or give up and start using a decent program, such as Thunderbird,
Turnpike or Agent.

Thunderbird, Turnpike, and Agent are terrible! Why do you push that
crap for?

Probably because they work regarding what the OP asked about.

If you bought a brand new automobile and that only thing that worked was
the radio, would you call the automobile as working? I wouldn't.

Unless the OP can find a pre-version 15 of WLM (which he won't get
from Microsoft),

Yes the earlier version is available from Microsoft.

Full Version Installer English Language version
http://g.live.com/1rewlive3/en/wlsetup-all.exe

he'll remained screwed by Microsoft's decision to NOT
properly delimit and indent the quoted content in a reply. Those
newsreaders you mentioned do that just fine.

No, they may not have that one super-critical function that YOU deem
is required (by YOU and only YOU) but not everyone feels that function
is absolutely necessary.

No it wasn't me who got Microsoft to put in "Show Replies to my
Messages". I didn't even know I needed that feature until one day during
an update it was there. Later I found out there was a group that kept
bugging Microsoft until they put that feature into OE.

But it was I bugging Mozilla and others to add this view into their
newsreaders. But they just don't care! Or is it they are too
incompetent? As the few views that say Thunderbird has, doesn't even
work right anyway. For example you can't view only watched threads with
both read and unread. Nope, that is too much for Mozilla programmers.
They can only show you unread watched threads only.

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Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core Duo T2400 1.83GHz - 2GB - Windows XP SP3

In ,
Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
On Sun, 29 Apr 2012 10:53:36 -0500, "BillW50" wrote:

In ,
John Williamson wrote:
QuestionQuigley wrote:

How does one set a newsgroup response in Live mail so that the
original posting is indented or marked off with a symbol such as
"."

I can seem to find a way to do that.

Try the steps on this page:-

http://www.dusko-lolic.from.hr/wlmquote/

Or give up and start using a decent program, such as Thunderbird,
Turnpike or Agent.

Thunderbird, Turnpike, and Agent are terrible! Why do you push that
crap for?

I don't know about Thunderbird or Turnpike I've never used them but
Agent is definitely not crap. I think I would have noticed as I have
been using Agent since 1995.

Back in '95 Agent I think didn't even support more than one email
account. While virtually every other reader out there including OE did.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core Duo T2400 1.83GHz - 2GB - Windows XP SP3

On 4/29/2012 7:52 PM, BillW50 wrote:
In ,
Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
On Sun, 29 Apr 2012 10:53:36 -0500, wrote:

In ,
John Williamson wrote:
QuestionQuigley wrote:

How does one set a newsgroup response in Live mail so that the
original posting is indented or marked off with a symbol such as
"."

I can seem to find a way to do that.

Try the steps on this page:-

http://www.dusko-lolic.from.hr/wlmquote/

Or give up and start using a decent program, such as Thunderbird,
Turnpike or Agent.

Thunderbird, Turnpike, and Agent are terrible! Why do you push that
crap for?

I don't know about Thunderbird or Turnpike I've never used them but
Agent is definitely not crap. I think I would have noticed as I have
been using Agent since 1995.

Back in '95 Agent I think didn't even support more than one email
account. While virtually every other reader out there including OE did.


OE hadn't been born in 95. MS had Internet Mail then. OE wasn't created
until 1996. Soooo, a non existent email/newsreader could have more than
one email account, eh? Please explain.

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Alias

In ,
Alias wrote:
On 4/29/2012 7:52 PM, BillW50 wrote:
In ,
Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
On Sun, 29 Apr 2012 10:53:36 -0500,
wrote:
In ,
John Williamson wrote:
QuestionQuigley wrote:

How does one set a newsgroup response in Live mail so that the
original posting is indented or marked off with a symbol such as
"."

I can seem to find a way to do that.

Try the steps on this page:-

http://www.dusko-lolic.from.hr/wlmquote/

Or give up and start using a decent program, such as Thunderbird,
Turnpike or Agent.

Thunderbird, Turnpike, and Agent are terrible! Why do you push that
crap for?

I don't know about Thunderbird or Turnpike I've never used them but
Agent is definitely not crap. I think I would have noticed as I have
been using Agent since 1995.

Back in '95 Agent I think didn't even support more than one email
account. While virtually every other reader out there including OE
did.

OE hadn't been born in 95. MS had Internet Mail then. OE wasn't
created until 1996. Soooo, a non existent email/newsreader could have
more than one email account, eh? Please explain.

Oh and that is the point you slow Alias got out of it? No the point was
Agent was one of the last readers on the planet to support multiple
email accounts. If I recall correctly, that was not until 2005 with
Agent v3.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core Duo T2400 1.83GHz - 2GB - Windows XP SP3

BillW50 wrote:
In ,
Alias wrote:
On 4/29/2012 5:43 PM, QuestionQuigley wrote:
How does one set a newsgroup response in Live mail so that the
original posting is indented or marked off with a symbol such as "."

I can seem to find a way to do that.

Thanks,

Quigley
Can't be done. Microsoft doesn't want you going to Usenet ever since
they nuked their Usenet servers' MS newsgroups. Try Thunderbird; it's
similar to Windows Live Mail.

Thunderbird is not even close to WLM. In fact, it isn't close to
anything. As what other product do you know that takes two days looking
to configure something in the configuration editor to learn it wasn't
there to begin with? I mean besides crappy Firefox?


I think what we can tell people is:

1) WLM 15 is dysfunctional. It was purposely modified to ruin
threads in USENET. Previous versions worked better.
2) If you install a previous version, it's just possible the
software will try to update itself. WLM is part of a suite,
an idea I detest. Good programs should stand alone, allow
easy removal alone, etc.
3) There are plenty of newsreaders out there. A person is free
to go out and test them, until they find one they're happy
with. Brow beating them into using *your* choice, isn't the
answer.

But the bottom line remains, use WLM 15, and screw up threads,
and you're going to get feedback from the other people in the
thread. Especially when something they didn't say, is attributed
to them by accident. Then the fur will fly. So if you enter
the room with "WLM 15" tattooed on your forehead, you'd better
move like Bush with that shoe guy. Duck :-)

Paul

On Sun, 29 Apr 2012 12:52:09 -0500, "BillW50" wrote:

Back in '95 Agent I think didn't even support more than one email
account.

I don't use the email features of Agent, so I don't care if it handles
one email account, a dozen email accounts, or no email accounts at
all.

While virtually every other reader out there including OE did.

Most newsreaders at the time probably didn't include email at all.

--

Char Jackson

On Sun, 29 Apr 2012 10:53:36 -0500, "BillW50" wrote:

In ,
John Williamson wrote:
QuestionQuigley wrote:

How does one set a newsgroup response in Live mail so that the
original posting is indented or marked off with a symbol such as "."

I can seem to find a way to do that.

Try the steps on this page:-

http://www.dusko-lolic.from.hr/wlmquote/

Or give up and start using a decent program, such as Thunderbird,
Turnpike or Agent.

Thunderbird, Turnpike, and Agent are terrible! Why do you push that crap
for?

You wouldn't be saying that if any of them included CTRL-H, a feature
that only you seem to think is critical.

--

Char Jackson

In ,
Paul wrote:
BillW50 wrote:
In ,
Alias wrote:
On 4/29/2012 5:43 PM, QuestionQuigley wrote:
How does one set a newsgroup response in Live mail so that the
original posting is indented or marked off with a symbol such as
"."

I can seem to find a way to do that.

Thanks,

Quigley
Can't be done. Microsoft doesn't want you going to Usenet ever since
they nuked their Usenet servers' MS newsgroups. Try Thunderbird;
it's similar to Windows Live Mail.

Thunderbird is not even close to WLM. In fact, it isn't close to
anything. As what other product do you know that takes two days
looking to configure something in the configuration editor to learn
it wasn't there to begin with? I mean besides crappy Firefox?


I think what we can tell people is:

1) WLM 15 is dysfunctional. It was purposely modified to ruin
threads in USENET. Previous versions worked better.

You mean the editor is dysfunctional, not the application itself. Every
single reader's editor is dysfunctional as far as I am concern. Back in
the 80's and early 90's, many DOS reader programmers knew this was true.
So while they may have included an editor, but most had a second option
to use your own favorite text / word processor instead. Far, far better.

The only people who did that in the GUI world was Microsoft with
WordMail. Only worked with Word of course. But at least they had the
right idea. But nobody else doesn't get it at all. As don't create a
wimpy editor then expect me to use it. I won't put up with that crap!

Even right now I am using Word as my editor. Can't do that with
something like Thunderbird. As it totally screws it up when you try. And
when I use WLM, I also use Word as my editor. So quoting isn't a single
problem at all. That is what macros are for. One key press and all done.

2) If you install a previous version, it's just possible the
software will try to update itself. WLM is part of a suite,
an idea I detest. Good programs should stand alone, allow
easy removal alone, etc.

I am glad you mentioned this. Other software also isn't so nice. As I
stopped using CyberPower UPS so I didn't need CyberPower PowerPanel
Personal Edition anymore. And guess what? It won't uninstall! It claims
that setup.msi is the wrong version. And that is the same version that
installed it in the first place. And you can't install over it again
since it says you have to uninstall it first.

And I am not a big believer in formatting and reinstalling everything
from scratch. As I don't see the need for that. But dang it! I am so
close to doing just that! Then you have all of that third party
activation crap and they think you are trying to install it on another
computer and the activation fails... who needs this?

3) There are plenty of newsreaders out there. A person is free
to go out and test them, until they find one they're happy
with. Brow beating them into using *your* choice, isn't the
answer.

No, I don't care what others want to use. What I do care about others
saying something is great and wasting other peoples time. People get
enough of that nonsense from other sources.

But the bottom line remains, use WLM 15, and screw up threads,
and you're going to get feedback from the other people in the
thread. Especially when something they didn't say, is attributed
to them by accident. Then the fur will fly. So if you enter
the room with "WLM 15" tattooed on your forehead, you'd better
move like Bush with that shoe guy. Duck :-)

Bottom line is you don't have to use the build in editor of WLM 15. In
fact, I don't like using any built in editor from any reader whatsoever.
I think they are all awful. Most of them are no better than Notepad with
spell checking.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core Duo T2400 1.83GHz - 2GB - Windows XP SP3

In ,
Char Jackson wrote:
On Sun, 29 Apr 2012 10:53:36 -0500, "BillW50" wrote:

In ,
John Williamson wrote:
QuestionQuigley wrote:

How does one set a newsgroup response in Live mail so that the
original posting is indented or marked off with a symbol such as
"."

I can seem to find a way to do that.

Try the steps on this page:-

http://www.dusko-lolic.from.hr/wlmquote/

Or give up and start using a decent program, such as Thunderbird,
Turnpike or Agent.

Thunderbird, Turnpike, and Agent are terrible! Why do you push that
crap for?

You wouldn't be saying that if any of them included CTRL-H, a feature
that only you seem to think is critical.

It is only a view, a critical view at that. It is like Open Office (and
many others) didn't have Word's Normal view. Why on Earth would you
leave that one out of a GUI editor? That is like View 101. If you can't
even do that right, you are hopeless.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core Duo T2400 1.83GHz - 2GB - Windows XP SP3

On 4/29/2012 8:35 PM, BillW50 wrote:
In ,
Alias wrote:
On 4/29/2012 7:52 PM, BillW50 wrote:
In ,
Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
On Sun, 29 Apr 2012 10:53:36 -0500,
wrote:
In ,
John Williamson wrote:
QuestionQuigley wrote:

How does one set a newsgroup response in Live mail so that the
original posting is indented or marked off with a symbol such as
"."

I can seem to find a way to do that.

Try the steps on this page:-

http://www.dusko-lolic.from.hr/wlmquote/

Or give up and start using a decent program, such as Thunderbird,
Turnpike or Agent.

Thunderbird, Turnpike, and Agent are terrible! Why do you push that
crap for?

I don't know about Thunderbird or Turnpike I've never used them but
Agent is definitely not crap. I think I would have noticed as I have
been using Agent since 1995.

Back in '95 Agent I think didn't even support more than one email
account. While virtually every other reader out there including OE
did.

OE hadn't been born in 95. MS had Internet Mail then. OE wasn't
created until 1996. Soooo, a non existent email/newsreader could have
more than one email account, eh? Please explain.

Oh and that is the point you slow Alias got out of it? No the point was
Agent was one of the last readers on the planet to support multiple
email accounts. If I recall correctly, that was not until 2005 with
Agent v3.


Who cares?

--
Alias

On 29 Apr 2012, "BillW50" wrote in
alt.windows7.general:

Oh and that is the point you slow Alias got out of it? No the
point was Agent was one of the last readers on the planet to
support multiple email accounts. If I recall correctly, that was
not until 2005 with Agent v3.

What does that have to do with with setting up a newsgroup response so
that the original posting is indented or marked off with a symbol such
as ""?

What does a 7-year-old obsolete version of Agent have anything to do
with the subject?

What does Agent's email features have to do with the subject?

The answer to all three:

Absolutely Nothing.

Why do you continuously harp on this irrelevant crap?