Microsoft dirty tricks department again

.. . .winston wrote:

At this stage, the technical drivel

It's theft of telecommunications services.

Paul

On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 18:26:57 -0400
Wolf K wrote:

On 2015-08-11 18:19, Johnny wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 17:14:21 -0400
Wolf wrote:

It just amazes me how hundreds of millions of people just
accept whatever Microsoft does, when they could be using Linux
Mint for free, and have complete control of their computer and
operating system.

I don't know if they are afraid of learning something new, or
just won't put forth the effort.

No, most people haven't a clue what Linux is, let alone Linux
Mint.

I can't believe that hundreds of millions of Windows users haven't
heard of Linux. [snip anecdotal evidence]

Most Windows users don't even realise that Windows is an operating
system, let alone that there are others out there.

Most Windows users aren't like you and me, you see.

Have a good day,


That explains why Bill Gates is worth 40 billion dollars.

I wonder if he uses Windows 10?

On 8/11/2015 11:41 AM, Johnny wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 18:40:53 +0100
Bob Henson wrote:

From: Bob Henson
Subject: Microsoft dirty tricks department again
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 18:40:53 +0100
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This may be old hat to you folk, but I've only just been alerted to
the fact that Microsoft's Dirty Tricks Department have sneaked in
(rather like the "updates" update sneaked in) a sort of torrent
streaming with the updates in Windows 10. Microsoft have decided to
use your internet connection to distribute their updates at your
expense - another reason for avoiding 10 like the plague. Here's how
to stop it if you've already downgraded from Windows 7 to Windows 10.

http://goo.gl/e4gImE

I hope I'm not the only one to think this is about as low as you can
sink? No doubt Microsoft will prove me wrong and pull an even bigger
stroke than this one before too long, but in the interim this trick
takes the biscuit.

I knew about it, and turned it off, and I don't use Windows 10 for
anything but testing. I just don't want Microsoft using my computer.

It just amazes me how hundreds of millions of people just accept
whatever Microsoft does, when they could be using Linux Mint for free,
and have complete control of their computer and operating system.

That would be the plan.
Linux has many advantages.
Free is a good price.

I don't know if they are afraid of learning something new, or just
won't put forth the effort.

What? They're afraid of learning how to write device
drivers for their unsupported hardware?
They're afraid of learning new CLI ways to do stuff they have been
doing for decades with a click of the mouse?
They're afraid of not being able to interconnect/communicate
with their friends on windows machines using compatible protocols?

Windows is a tool.
Desktop Linux is a hobby. Nothing wrong with that if you like
futzing with it.
If you just want to do the task and get on with your real life,
it's a problem.

Desktop Linux can do MOST of what MOST people want to do.
Problem is when it doesn't. And it doesn't take many of those
"doesn'ts" to prevent Desktop Linux becoming the windows killer
it could easily be.

You can't push users to Desktop Linux. Desktop Linux
has to PULL users by offering an (note that "an" is singular
and is the crux of the problem)
actual alternative that does
ALL that they want without becoming a guru.

The linux community says they don't want it to be.
It might have something to do with it being HARD to do
those little unsupported things that make windows easier
for the non-guru to use when you have no consensus over
what desktop linux really is. Getting over a hundred rogue
distros to all row in the same direction is a daunting task.

Yep, someone won't put forth the effort.

I have been using Linux Mint going on two years, and I am completely
satisfied with it.

Millions of people are. The rest of us are put off by those
"doesn'ts".

On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 18:26:57 -0400, Wolf K
wrote:


Most Windows users don't even realise that Windows is an operating
system,


Most Windows users have no idea what an operating system is.

On 8/11/2015 12:24 PM, VanguardLH wrote:


I found this section of the article interesting:

You Can Also Set Your Connection as Metered

You could also set your current Wi-Fi connection as “metered.� When
you set a connection as metered, you’re telling Windows it’s a
connection with restricted data — such as a mobile data connection or
a Wi-FI hotspot from a smartphone you’re tethered to. Windows won’t
upload updates on a metered connection — it won’t even automatically
download Windows updates.


I consider that insufficient. I have a metered connection that I access
over wired ethernet.
I had to switch to a wireless connection to the wireless metered intenet
to force windows to allow me to set the metered option.
Not a serious issue for a test machine, but I wouldn't be willing to do
that for any of the machines that require fast interaction via gigabit
ethernet.

Hopefully, the third party apps to disable all this MS crap will soon
become available.

On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 15:58:32 -0700
mike wrote:

It just amazes me how hundreds of millions of people just accept
whatever Microsoft does, when they could be using Linux Mint for
free, and have complete control of their computer and operating
system.

That would be the plan.
Linux has many advantages.
Free is a good price.

I don't know if they are afraid of learning something new, or just
won't put forth the effort.

What? They're afraid of learning how to write device
drivers for their unsupported hardware?

I have never replied to this idiot before, and I'm not replying to him
now. I just want to tell anyone that is thinking of trying Linux, that
the statement he made, is a lie.

Drivers are supplied by the repositories. You just have to download
them, and they install automatically.

On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 18:32:26 -0400 "Paul" wrote in
article
It's theft of telecommunications services.

Paul


+1
no
+1000

On 12/08/2015 00:08:15, mike wrote:
On 8/11/2015 12:24 PM, VanguardLH wrote:


I found this section of the article interesting:

You Can Also Set Your Connection as Metered

You could also set your current Wi-Fi connection as “metered.� When
you set a connection as metered, you’re telling Windows it’s a
connection with restricted data — such as a mobile data connection or
a Wi-FI hotspot from a smartphone you’re tethered to. Windows won’t
upload updates on a metered connection — it won’t even automatically
download Windows updates.



Hopefully, the third party apps to disable all this MS crap will soon
become available.

Perhaps that is the biggest positive of win 10, it a least gives the
little guys a chance to earn a few dollars to save the masses.

--
mick

| Hopefully, the third party apps to disable all this MS crap will soon
| become available.
|

I wouldn't depend too much on that. One has
to research the details to even *maybe* turn
Win10 into something civilized. For instance, MS says
you're not allowed to block data being collected.
Apparently one can choose not to be spied on while
using software, and only have things like error
reports sent to MS. But one has to know that and
figure out how to do it. Even then, what does all that
really mean? Why would anyone trust a company that
just sold them a product and included a mickey mouse
license claiming they have a right to spy on people
who use that product? One has to assume sleaze
and dishonesty will follow.

On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 18:34:14 -0500, Johnny wrote:

On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 15:58:32 -0700
mike wrote:

It just amazes me how hundreds of millions of people just accept
whatever Microsoft does, when they could be using Linux Mint for
free, and have complete control of their computer and operating
system.

That would be the plan.
Linux has many advantages.
Free is a good price.

I don't know if they are afraid of learning something new, or just
won't put forth the effort.

What? They're afraid of learning how to write device
drivers for their unsupported hardware?

I have never replied to this idiot before, and I'm not replying to him
now. I just want to tell anyone that is thinking of trying Linux, that
the statement he made, is a lie.

Drivers are supplied by the repositories. You just have to download
them, and they install automatically.

Same Linux bull**** everytime. Linux people can not take criticism.
That and Linux is a ****ty OS!! Way too fragile and complicated for
the average user.
--
JT

On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 21:15:38 -0400 "Mayayana"
wrote in article
You may enjoy Linux. That's fine. But making a religion
out of it is not going to help anyone. The vast majority
of people are simply not going to find a solution to Win10
by just switching to Linux.


Bravo!

I, like many, dip my toe into the Linux pool now and again, and I always
make a little headway and then trip over some obscure technical issue.

Before I retired, I was pretty fluent in a number of *IX systems - we
used them extensively at work..but not exclusively. Why not? Simply
because there was *always* a critical application that wasn't supported
on Linux.

I have an Adobe subscription and use a handful of their apps a LOT in
what I'm doing since I retired. If they were to appear on Linux, it would
be a powerful motivator to try again. I've read that Adobe was working on
porting apps to Linux. I'll wait.

At this early stage, Win 10 seems to have a bad odor. ...but hasn't that
often been the case with MS releases? After a time, some of the rough
edges will get sanded off and third-party addons will come to the rescue
for some of the more odious issues. I'll wait.

Jason

On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 18:32:26 -0400, Paul wrote:

. . .winston wrote:

At this stage, the technical drivel

It's theft of telecommunications services.

Paul

Windows users have already lost ownership of the computer
and now we have lost ownership of our internet connection.
double middle finger salute

--
Wildman GNU/Linux user #557453
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On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 18:40:53 +0100, Bob Henson
wrote:

This may be old hat to you folk, but I've only just been alerted to the
fact that Microsoft's Dirty Tricks Department have sneaked in (rather
like the "updates" update sneaked in) a sort of torrent streaming with
the updates in Windows 10. Microsoft have decided to use your internet
connection to distribute their updates at your expense - another reason
for avoiding 10 like the plague. Here's how to stop it if you've already
downgraded from Windows 7 to Windows 10.

http://goo.gl/e4gImE

I hope I'm not the only one to think this is about as low as you can
sink? No doubt Microsoft will prove me wrong and pull an even bigger
stroke than this one before too long, but in the interim this trick
takes the biscuit.

Cross posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10 with followup set to
alt.windows7.general

They did that with previous versions as well.

I was staying at a B&B in another town and decided to check I my email
before leaving, and suddenly SP3 started downloading, taking about 3
hours on a slow connection.


--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 13:41:07 -0500, Johnny wrote:

On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 18:40:53 +0100
Bob Henson wrote:

From: Bob Henson
Subject: Microsoft dirty tricks department again
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 18:40:53 +0100
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0)
Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.1.0
Newsgroups: alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Followup-To: alt.windows7.general
Organization: Home

This may be old hat to you folk, but I've only just been alerted to
the fact that Microsoft's Dirty Tricks Department have sneaked in
(rather like the "updates" update sneaked in) a sort of torrent
streaming with the updates in Windows 10. Microsoft have decided to
use your internet connection to distribute their updates at your
expense - another reason for avoiding 10 like the plague. Here's how
to stop it if you've already downgraded from Windows 7 to Windows 10.

http://goo.gl/e4gImE

I hope I'm not the only one to think this is about as low as you can
sink? No doubt Microsoft will prove me wrong and pull an even bigger
stroke than this one before too long, but in the interim this trick
takes the biscuit.

I knew about it, and turned it off, and I don't use Windows 10 for
anything but testing. I just don't want Microsoft using my computer.

It just amazes me how hundreds of millions of people just accept
whatever Microsoft does, when they could be using Linux Mint for free,
and have complete control of their computer and operating system.

I don't know if they are afraid of learning something new, or just
won't put forth the effort.

I have been using Linux Mint going on two years, and I am completely
satisfied with it.

I've had Linux Fedora on my machine for longer than that, and hardly
ever use it. It doesn't run the software that I use most of the time.
I'm glad that it doesn't download the latest version automatically,
though (I think I've missed about 3 or 4), because I don't use it
often enough to justify it.

Likewise I only want a new version of Windows if it does something my
present versio0n can't do.


--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 16:02:46 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
wrote:

On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 18:26:57 -0400, Wolf K
wrote:


Most Windows users don't even realise that Windows is an operating
system,


Most Windows users have no idea what an operating system is.

And it seems that we have a Linux Mint user here who has no idea what
an operating system is or does, and seems to think that an operating
system without apps is an improvement on one that runs apps.




--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk