If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. |
|
|
|
Thread Tools | Rate Thread | Display Modes |
#1
|
|||
|
|||
OT Routers
Do all routers put out a signal that is equal in strength or are some more powerful than others. |
Ads |
#2
|
|||
|
|||
OT Routers
|
#4
|
|||
|
|||
OT Routers
On 9/8/2012 12:31 AM, Big Steel wrote:
On 9/7/2012 9:31 PM, wrote: Do all routers put out a signal that is equal in strength or are some more powerful than others. If you are talking about a wireless router, then I would say that some can have more powerful signal strength. Some wireless router you paid $20 for may have less of a range than something you paid $1,020 for I would thing. With wireless routers, the higher/elevation you can position the router, the further the signal will travel. http://www.microsoft.com/athome/setu...id=IctjAdJrN8- There also is a gotcha with antennas, particularly remote ones. The connectors and cables used have a loss factor that is significant. As a result all other variables ignored, two "identical" units may have quite different operating ranges. |
#5
|
|||
|
|||
OT Routers
GlowingBlueMist wrote in
: On 9/7/2012 8:31 PM, wrote: Do all routers put out a signal that is equal in strength or are some more powerful than others. Nope, much like all car radios do not pick up the same number of AM or FM radio stations. Many have adjustable outputs when used with 3rd party firmwares which can set the output to double or even triple the value the stock firmware can output, but at a cost. Unless you add a better heat sink and or fan to the box the radio circuit usually burns out quickly. I'd say the firmware says you can set the output to double or triple, but that doesn't necessarily mean it really is. One other cost, however, is that some of the higher datarate modulation schemes use both AM and FM modulation to provide the faster rates. If you've already got the power to the highest rail, there may not be enough headroom to properly modulates the signal at higher datarates, causing a high packet error rate, which could result in lower actual user throughput than slower mod schemes. |
#6
|
|||
|
|||
OT Routers
wrote:
Do all routers put out a signal that is equal in strength or are some more powerful than others. http://www.dslreports.com/faq/wisp/3...er_legal_stuff Power is much the same. Antennas make the difference. |
#7
|
|||
|
|||
OT Routers
charlie wrote in
: On 9/8/2012 12:31 AM, Big Steel wrote: On 9/7/2012 9:31 PM, wrote: Do all routers put out a signal that is equal in strength or are some more powerful than others. If you are talking about a wireless router, then I would say that some can have more powerful signal strength. Some wireless router you paid $20 for may have less of a range than something you paid $1,020 for I would thing. With wireless routers, the higher/elevation you can position the router, the further the signal will travel. http://www.microsoft.com/athome/setu...stips.aspx#fbi d=IctjAdJrN8- There also is a gotcha with antennas, particularly remote ones. The connectors and cables used have a loss factor that is significant. As a result all other variables ignored, two "identical" units may have quite different operating ranges. As an RF engineering technician, I've never bought into connectors themselves as a cause for loss. There *is* a small amount of loss, but if the connector is assembled properly, this is negligible, and never figured into any link budget. Coax, yes, cheap, thin coax can cause large amounts of loss over distances of more than a coulple feet. Here's a good reference chart.... http://www.w4rp.com/ref/coax.html The top chart shows typical losses for "standard" type coax. The second chart shows typical losses of Times Microwave LMR series (read "expensive") of coax. The third chart includes 2.4Ghz and 5.8Ghz, since the two table above don't go over 1Ghz and 1.5Ghz, respectively. |
#8
|
|||
|
|||
OT Routers
On Sat, 08 Sep 2012 10:22:29 -0500, Paul in Houston TX wrote:
http://www.dslreports.com/faq/wisp/3...er_legal_stuff Power is much the same. Antennas make the difference. Tnx for the interesting website. I noticed this: | 5.150-5.250GHz Indoor 50mW (17dBm) I have a Linksys (Cisco) E2000. No antennas, but I flashed the firmware with DD-WRT. This enabled me to change the default setting (71mW) to 100mW. As a result, the signal was a lot stronger/better. I could increase it /more/, but that would not be without risk. The stronger the signal, the hotter the router. (100mW should cause no problems.) -- s|b |
#9
|
|||
|
|||
OT Routers
s|b wrote:
On Sat, 08 Sep 2012 10:22:29 -0500, Paul in Houston TX wrote: http://www.dslreports.com/faq/wisp/3...er_legal_stuff Power is much the same. Antennas make the difference. Tnx for the interesting website. I noticed this: | 5.150-5.250GHz Indoor 50mW (17dBm) I have a Linksys (Cisco) E2000. No antennas, but I flashed the firmware with DD-WRT. This enabled me to change the default setting (71mW) to 100mW. As a result, the signal was a lot stronger/better. I could increase it /more/, but that would not be without risk. The stronger the signal, the hotter the router. (100mW should cause no problems.) Yea. I am going to install a 1" micro fan in mine. Don't know how many amps those things take though. May have to get a bigger power supply. I will try to keep the rf output so that it does not reach the street, or next door. |
#10
|
|||
|
|||
OT Routers
On Sat, 08 Sep 2012 12:42:54 -0500, Paul in Houston TX
wrote: s|b wrote: On Sat, 08 Sep 2012 10:22:29 -0500, Paul in Houston TX wrote: http://www.dslreports.com/faq/wisp/3...er_legal_stuff Power is much the same. Antennas make the difference. Tnx for the interesting website. I noticed this: | 5.150-5.250GHz Indoor 50mW (17dBm) I have a Linksys (Cisco) E2000. No antennas, but I flashed the firmware with DD-WRT. This enabled me to change the default setting (71mW) to 100mW. As a result, the signal was a lot stronger/better. I could increase it /more/, but that would not be without risk. The stronger the signal, the hotter the router. (100mW should cause no problems.) Yea. I am going to install a 1" micro fan in mine. Don't know how many amps those things take though. May have to get a bigger power supply. I will try to keep the rf output so that it does not reach the street, or next door. That's an interesting goal because I see many signals from my top floor and can select many that have no encryption. How would you prevent this other than shielding you house? (thoughts of tin foil) |
#11
|
|||
|
|||
OT Routers
Allen Drake wrote:
On Sat, 08 Sep 2012 12:42:54 -0500, Paul in Houston TX wrote: s|b wrote: On Sat, 08 Sep 2012 10:22:29 -0500, Paul in Houston TX wrote: http://www.dslreports.com/faq/wisp/3...er_legal_stuff Power is much the same. Antennas make the difference. Tnx for the interesting website. I noticed this: | 5.150-5.250GHz Indoor 50mW (17dBm) I have a Linksys (Cisco) E2000. No antennas, but I flashed the firmware with DD-WRT. This enabled me to change the default setting (71mW) to 100mW. As a result, the signal was a lot stronger/better. I could increase it /more/, but that would not be without risk. The stronger the signal, the hotter the router. (100mW should cause no problems.) Yea. I am going to install a 1" micro fan in mine. Don't know how many amps those things take though. May have to get a bigger power supply. I will try to keep the rf output so that it does not reach the street, or next door. That's an interesting goal because I see many signals from my top floor and can select many that have no encryption. How would you prevent this other than shielding you house? (thoughts of tin foil) There's supposed to be a paint that can attenuate RF. So you could paint walls and ceiling if you wanted. But, it would be super-expensive to do something like that. The paint is priced for business users, not for home owners. http://www.wireless-nets.com/resourc...shielding.html You can also make Faraday cages, with this kind of mesh. But again, nobody could afford to put this stuff completely around the exterior walls of a house. It wouldn't be practical. The mesh wouldn't hold up well to the elements either, so would have to be "under cover" to last for any period of time. http://preparednesspro.files.wordpre...h-close-up.jpg Paul |
#12
|
|||
|
|||
OT Routers
Paul wrote:
Allen Drake wrote: On Sat, 08 Sep 2012 12:42:54 -0500, Paul in Houston TX wrote: s|b wrote: On Sat, 08 Sep 2012 10:22:29 -0500, Paul in Houston TX wrote: http://www.dslreports.com/faq/wisp/3...er_legal_stuff Power is much the same. Antennas make the difference. Tnx for the interesting website. I noticed this: | 5.150-5.250GHz Indoor 50mW (17dBm) I have a Linksys (Cisco) E2000. No antennas, but I flashed the firmware with DD-WRT. This enabled me to change the default setting (71mW) to 100mW. As a result, the signal was a lot stronger/better. I could increase it /more/, but that would not be without risk. The stronger the signal, the hotter the router. (100mW should cause no problems.) Yea. I am going to install a 1" micro fan in mine. Don't know how many amps those things take though. May have to get a bigger power supply. I will try to keep the rf output so that it does not reach the street, or next door. That's an interesting goal because I see many signals from my top floor and can select many that have no encryption. How would you prevent this other than shielding you house? (thoughts of tin foil) There's supposed to be a paint that can attenuate RF. So you could paint walls and ceiling if you wanted. But, it would be super-expensive to do something like that. The paint is priced for business users, not for home owners. http://www.wireless-nets.com/resourc...shielding.html You can also make Faraday cages, with this kind of mesh. But again, nobody could afford to put this stuff completely around the exterior walls of a house. It wouldn't be practical. The mesh wouldn't hold up well to the elements either, so would have to be "under cover" to last for any period of time. http://preparednesspro.files.wordpre...h-close-up.jpg If you're redecorating anyway, you could try dry lining all the external walls with foil backed plasterboard and bonding the individual sheets to each other and ground. Add the metallic reflective foil to your windows, too. You get the added benefit of a slight saving in heating and cooling costs but while it's not a complete rf shield, a couple of walls of it can certainly block any useful signal, as a lot of people with modern houses have found and complained about on uk.d-i-y Tciao for Now! John. |
#13
|
|||
|
|||
OT Routers
On 09/09/2012 12:44, John Williamson wrote:
Paul wrote: Allen Drake wrote: On Sat, 08 Sep 2012 12:42:54 -0500, Paul in Houston TX wrote: s|b wrote: On Sat, 08 Sep 2012 10:22:29 -0500, Paul in Houston TX wrote: http://www.dslreports.com/faq/wisp/3...er_legal_stuff Power is much the same. Antennas make the difference. Tnx for the interesting website. I noticed this: | 5.150-5.250GHz Indoor 50mW (17dBm) I have a Linksys (Cisco) E2000. No antennas, but I flashed the firmware with DD-WRT. This enabled me to change the default setting (71mW) to 100mW. As a result, the signal was a lot stronger/better. I could increase it /more/, but that would not be without risk. The stronger the signal, the hotter the router. (100mW should cause no problems.) Yea. I am going to install a 1" micro fan in mine. Don't know how many amps those things take though. May have to get a bigger power supply. I will try to keep the rf output so that it does not reach the street, or next door. That's an interesting goal because I see many signals from my top floor and can select many that have no encryption. How would you prevent this other than shielding you house? (thoughts of tin foil) There's supposed to be a paint that can attenuate RF. So you could paint walls and ceiling if you wanted. But, it would be super-expensive to do something like that. The paint is priced for business users, not for home owners. http://www.wireless-nets.com/resourc...shielding.html You can also make Faraday cages, with this kind of mesh. But again, nobody could afford to put this stuff completely around the exterior walls of a house. It wouldn't be practical. The mesh wouldn't hold up well to the elements either, so would have to be "under cover" to last for any period of time. http://preparednesspro.files.wordpre...h-close-up.jpg If you're redecorating anyway, you could try dry lining all the external walls with foil backed plasterboard and bonding the individual sheets to each other and ground. Add the metallic reflective foil to your windows, too. You get the added benefit of a slight saving in heating and cooling costs but while it's not a complete rf shield, a couple of walls of it can certainly block any useful signal, as a lot of people with modern houses have found and complained about on uk.d-i-y *Ciao* for Now! John. Have you all gone bonkers, or what?! Me corrected your DICKtation from *Tciao* to *Ciao*. Adios! -- choro ***** |
#14
|
|||
|
|||
OT Routers
Allen Drake wrote:
On Sat, 08 Sep 2012 12:42:54 -0500, Paul in Houston TX wrote: s|b wrote: On Sat, 08 Sep 2012 10:22:29 -0500, Paul in Houston TX wrote: http://www.dslreports.com/faq/wisp/3...er_legal_stuff Power is much the same. Antennas make the difference. Tnx for the interesting website. I noticed this: | 5.150-5.250GHz Indoor 50mW (17dBm) I have a Linksys (Cisco) E2000. No antennas, but I flashed the firmware with DD-WRT. This enabled me to change the default setting (71mW) to 100mW. As a result, the signal was a lot stronger/better. I could increase it /more/, but that would not be without risk. The stronger the signal, the hotter the router. (100mW should cause no problems.) Yea. I am going to install a 1" micro fan in mine. Don't know how many amps those things take though. May have to get a bigger power supply. I will try to keep the rf output so that it does not reach the street, or next door. That's an interesting goal because I see many signals from my top floor and can select many that have no encryption. How would you prevent this other than shielding you house? (thoughts of tin foil) My Zoom modem has adjustable power by 20% increments. If necessary, shielding the 1/2 wave antennas would be easier than shielding the house. Or swap them out for bits of wire less than 1/2 wave. |
#15
|
|||
|
|||
OT Routers
On Sun, 09 Sep 2012 07:31:17 -0400, Paul wrote:
Allen Drake wrote: On Sat, 08 Sep 2012 12:42:54 -0500, Paul in Houston TX wrote: s|b wrote: On Sat, 08 Sep 2012 10:22:29 -0500, Paul in Houston TX wrote: http://www.dslreports.com/faq/wisp/3...er_legal_stuff Power is much the same. Antennas make the difference. Tnx for the interesting website. I noticed this: | 5.150-5.250GHz Indoor 50mW (17dBm) I have a Linksys (Cisco) E2000. No antennas, but I flashed the firmware with DD-WRT. This enabled me to change the default setting (71mW) to 100mW. As a result, the signal was a lot stronger/better. I could increase it /more/, but that would not be without risk. The stronger the signal, the hotter the router. (100mW should cause no problems.) Yea. I am going to install a 1" micro fan in mine. Don't know how many amps those things take though. May have to get a bigger power supply. I will try to keep the rf output so that it does not reach the street, or next door. That's an interesting goal because I see many signals from my top floor and can select many that have no encryption. How would you prevent this other than shielding you house? (thoughts of tin foil) There's supposed to be a paint that can attenuate RF. So you could paint walls and ceiling if you wanted. But, it would be super-expensive to do something like that. The paint is priced for business users, not for home owners. http://www.wireless-nets.com/resourc...shielding.html You can also make Faraday cages, with this kind of mesh. But again, nobody could afford to put this stuff completely around the exterior walls of a house. It wouldn't be practical. The mesh wouldn't hold up well to the elements either, so would have to be "under cover" to last for any period of time. http://preparednesspro.files.wordpre...h-close-up.jpg Paul Yes but would it keep aliens away and block those black helicopters? |
|
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | Rate This Thread |
|
|