IE 11....What a Mess!

I don't know about you folks but I am sick of seeing IE11 scew up! Every day
I get messages about how it must close, or has stopped working...or even
that it has stopped working when it clearly is working. If anyone knows how
to repair this mess let us know. I'm using Win 7 / 64 / Pro. But this
browser wouldn't even qualify as a Beta program based on its current
unreliability!

Oreally

On Sat, 18 Feb 2017 10:20:50 -0800, "OREALLY"
wrote:


I don't know about you folks but I am sick of seeing IE11 scew up! Every day
I get messages about how it must close, or has stopped working...or even
that it has stopped working when it clearly is working. If anyone knows how
to repair this mess let us know. I'm using Win 7 / 64 / Pro. But this
browser wouldn't even qualify as a Beta program based on its current
unreliability!


I don't use IE, so I haven't had you experience. But I know that if I
did use it and had such problems, I would simply switch to a different
browser.

My favorite is FireFox.

There are significant advantages to IE. But Microsoft doesn't seem to give a
hoot about its reliability!

"Ken Blake" wrote in message
...

On Sat, 18 Feb 2017 10:20:50 -0800, "OREALLY"
wrote:


I don't know about you folks but I am sick of seeing IE11 scew up! Every
day
I get messages about how it must close, or has stopped working...or even
that it has stopped working when it clearly is working. If anyone knows how
to repair this mess let us know. I'm using Win 7 / 64 / Pro. But this
browser wouldn't even qualify as a Beta program based on its current
unreliability!


I don't use IE, so I haven't had you experience. But I know that if I
did use it and had such problems, I would simply switch to a different
browser.

My favorite is FireFox.

OREALLY wrote:

I don't know about you folks but I am sick of seeing IE11 scew up! Every
day I get messages about how it must close, or has stopped working...or
even that it has stopped working when it clearly is working. If anyone
knows how to repair this mess let us know. I'm using Win 7 / 64 / Pro.
But this browser wouldn't even qualify as a Beta program based on its
current unreliability!

Oreally


There's supposed to be a "Reset" option.

https://www.sevenforums.com/tutorial...rer-reset.html

Only a few of the ideas here are applicable. Usually references
to a "fixit" are a waste of time - the OS has a Troubleshooting folder,
and that's usually the only "Fixit" you're going to get.

https://www.sevenforums.com/tutorial...er-issues.html

You can uninstall it, and the OS will use the previous
version of IE. Then reinstall it again. If files are left
in cache folders or the like, I doubt a reinstall would clean
it. The second tutorial, where it recommends removing ActiveX
plugins that have been inserted, probably makes more sense.

You should be able to find a "standalone IE11" to install, but
it still has a network component. This is because modern IE
uses hardware acceleration, may need some DirectX materials
for the acceleration, and so you will see it downloading crap
in the background. On a machine which is reasonably up to
date, the downloading should not last more than about 30 sceonds
or so. However. I have had the IE installer go off into the
weeds - it probably downloaded 500MB worth of stuff for itself
in that one case. I do not appreciate the fact that while
the installer does these things, there is no notification
on the screen such as "Getting KB1234567" or the like. It's
completely silent, and "it's the boss".

https://support.microsoft.com/en-ca/...line-installer

Paul

"OREALLY" wrote

| There are significant advantages to IE.

I can't imagine what those might be. But if you really
want to use it, you might try using compatibility mode
more. I don't know if it will prevent "stopped working"
messages or not. You didn't mention any pattern to
those, so it's hard for anyone to guess the problem.
But for what it's worth:

IE11 and Edge have broken compatibility with traditional
IE approach. Support has been dropped for VBScript,
ActiveX, and all sorts of rendering details that used to
be standard in IE. For IE5-10, each version is slightly
incompatible with the last, but at least they're all IE. With
IE11/Edge, much of the IE functionality is broken or missing,
and it pretends to be another browser by spoofing the
userAgent. (I'm not joking here. MS have actually designed
IE11/Edge to trick websites about what browser you're using!)

For many years, websites would recognize IE by "MSIE"
in the userAgent. Most commercial sites will check the
userAgent and then customize the page accordingly.
In many cases they even serve different pages for diferent
IE versions. A typical IE userAgent would be like so:

Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; MSIE 10.0; Windows NT 6.1; Trident/6.0)

With IE11 MS has spoofed it to look like Firefox,
adding "like Gecko" and "rv:" while removing "MSIE":

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Trident/7.0; rv:11.0) like Gecko

The Edge userAgent is designed to look like Chrome:

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like
Gecko) Chrome/51.0.2704.79 Safari/537.36 Edge/14.14393

Pretending to be using a different browser can
cause all sorts of problems, but as with their past few
IE versions, MS protests that they now support web
standards and they don't want sites to cater pages
to IE. So they try to trick websites!

There's one major difference between IE11 and Edge.
The former still has normal IE functionality. It's just
disabled. (Edge, by contrast, is simply broken; a strippped
down version of IE.) You can set compatibility mode
for IE11 on a per-domain basis and then IE11 will enable
normal IE functionality and send a userAgent pretending
to be IE7. If you want to try that for problem websites,
first you may need to press Alt if the main menu is not
showing. Then click Tools - Compatibility View Settings
and add the domain of interest there.

On Sat, 18 Feb 2017 11:36:54 -0800, "OREALLY"
wrote:

There are significant advantages to IE.


If that's your view, that's fine with me. But it's not mine at all. In
my opinion, Edge is the worst browser out there, and IE is a close
second. Almost any other browser is preferable.



But Microsoft doesn't seem to give a
hoot about its reliability!


I have very little experience with IE11, but the few times I've tried
it I haven't had such problems. And back in the days when used older
IE versions, I also had no such problems.

And none of the many people I know who use IE11 have had such
problems.


"Ken Blake" wrote in message
.. .

On Sat, 18 Feb 2017 10:20:50 -0800, "OREALLY"
wrote:


I don't know about you folks but I am sick of seeing IE11 scew up! Every
day
I get messages about how it must close, or has stopped working...or even
that it has stopped working when it clearly is working. If anyone knows how
to repair this mess let us know. I'm using Win 7 / 64 / Pro. But this
browser wouldn't even qualify as a Beta program based on its current
unreliability!


I don't use IE, so I haven't had you experience. But I know that if I
did use it and had such problems, I would simply switch to a different
browser.

My favorite is FireFox.

On 02/18/2017 12:20 PM, OREALLY wrote:

I don't know about you folks but I am sick of seeing IE11 scew up! Every
day I get messages about how it must close, or has stopped working...or
even that it has stopped working when it clearly is working. If anyone
knows how to repair this mess let us know. I'm using Win 7 / 64 / Pro.
But this browser wouldn't even qualify as a Beta program based on its
current unreliability!

Oreally


I haven't used IE much since Firefox .9 came out. Just for testing and
the few sites that require IE (it's been years since that happened). I
use Firefox whenever possible. If there's a site that won't work in FF,
I use Chrome or Opera.

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"The _root_ meaning of 'service' is like what the bull does to the cow"

On Sat, 18 Feb 2017 13:05:02 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:
On Sat, 18 Feb 2017 11:36:54 -0800, "OREALLY"
wrote:

There are significant advantages to IE.


If that's your view, that's fine with me. But it's not mine at all. In
my opinion, Edge is the worst browser out there, and IE is a close
second. Almost any other browser is preferable.


Ken, I suspect you've fallen for a troll. The initial rant was silly
enough, since -- as you rightly pointed out -- it's quite easy to
switch to a real browser. But the claim of "advantages" to IE11 is
even more silly, and I can't imagine that anyone including the OP
believes it.

--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://BrownMath.com/
http://OakRoadSystems.com/
Shikata ga nai...

OREALLY wrote:

I don't know about you folks but I am sick of seeing IE11 scew up! Every day
I get messages about how it must close, or has stopped working...or even
that it has stopped working when it clearly is working. If anyone knows how
to repair this mess let us know. I'm using Win 7 / 64 / Pro. But this
browser wouldn't even qualify as a Beta program based on its current
unreliability!

As Paul mentioned, reset IE (Internet Options - Advanced tab). That
will reset settings back to default and also disable any add-ons you
installed. If that works, uninstall the add-ons you no longer need.
Then reenable one add-on at a time and use for awhile to test if the
problem reappears or not. If not, reenable another add-on and retest
for awhile.

Have you tried disabling your anti-virus, firewall, or other security
software to retest for awhile that way?

When was the last time you installed any updates for Windows? Have you
rebooted the computer since then? Not a hibernate or standby mode but a
full reboot.

When was the last time you did a full scan for malware and using more
than one security program (and which ones)?

On 18/02/2017 19:36, OREALLY wrote:
But Microsoft doesn't seem to give a hoot about its reliability!


It does. It has released a new browser called Microsoft Edge but you
need to be on Windows 10 to benefit from it. Microsoft Edge is
Standards Compliant and it fully supports HTML5 and CSS3 which most web
designers use these days to create their sites.

IE is no longer developed. Either upgrade your operating system (to
Windows 10) or start using some other alternatives.


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If you want to filter all of my posts then please read this article:
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In step 7 select "Delete"

With over 500 million devices now running Windows 10, customer
satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows.

Yes...thanks Done all that. I'm now experimenting with delaying IE startup.
We'll see.

"VanguardLH" wrote in message ...

OREALLY wrote:

I don't know about you folks but I am sick of seeing IE11 scew up! Every
day
I get messages about how it must close, or has stopped working...or even
that it has stopped working when it clearly is working. If anyone knows
how
to repair this mess let us know. I'm using Win 7 / 64 / Pro. But this
browser wouldn't even qualify as a Beta program based on its current
unreliability!

As Paul mentioned, reset IE (Internet Options - Advanced tab). That
will reset settings back to default and also disable any add-ons you
installed. If that works, uninstall the add-ons you no longer need.
Then reenable one add-on at a time and use for awhile to test if the
problem reappears or not. If not, reenable another add-on and retest
for awhile.

Have you tried disabling your anti-virus, firewall, or other security
software to retest for awhile that way?

When was the last time you installed any updates for Windows? Have you
rebooted the computer since then? Not a hibernate or standby mode but a
full reboot.

When was the last time you did a full scan for malware and using more
than one security program (and which ones)?

Stan Brown wrote:
On Sat, 18 Feb 2017 13:05:02 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:
On Sat, 18 Feb 2017 11:36:54 -0800, "OREALLY"
wrote:

There are significant advantages to IE.

If that's your view, that's fine with me. But it's not mine at all. In
my opinion, Edge is the worst browser out there, and IE is a close
second. Almost any other browser is preferable.


Ken, I suspect you've fallen for a troll. The initial rant was silly
enough, since -- as you rightly pointed out -- it's quite easy to
switch to a real browser. But the claim of "advantages" to IE11 is
even more silly, and I can't imagine that anyone including the OP
believes it.


No, that's what happens when someones Internet Banking only
works with a specific version of Internet Explorer (ActiveX
etc.). Other than some quirk like that, it doesn't really
have any advantages at all. But your bank probably likes it.
The banks even like to drag their heels, optimizing for
IE10 when IE11 is out.

Paul

On Sat, 18 Feb 2017 15:32:32 -0500, Stan Brown
wrote:

On Sat, 18 Feb 2017 13:05:02 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:
On Sat, 18 Feb 2017 11:36:54 -0800, "OREALLY"
wrote:

There are significant advantages to IE.


If that's your view, that's fine with me. But it's not mine at all. In
my opinion, Edge is the worst browser out there, and IE is a close
second. Almost any other browser is preferable.


Ken, I suspect you've fallen for a troll. The initial rant was silly
enough, since -- as you rightly pointed out -- it's quite easy to
switch to a real browser. But the claim of "advantages" to IE11 is
even more silly, and I can't imagine that anyone including the OP
believes it.


You could be right. I thought that might be the case, but I didn't
want to jump to conclusions.

I'm waiting with bated breath for what he tells us are IE's
advantages. g

On Sat, 18 Feb 2017 15:00:38 -0500, "Mayayana"
wrote:


The Edge userAgent is designed to look like Chrome:


Yes, I thought the same thing; ranking browsers from best to worst,
starting with Firefox at the top, to me the three worst ones are
Chrome, IE, and Edge, in that order.

But we all have different views. Two of the things that perplex me are
how many people like Chrome and how many people like Edge.

On Sat, 18 Feb 2017 17:47:42 -0500, Paul
wrote:

Stan Brown wrote:
On Sat, 18 Feb 2017 13:05:02 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:
On Sat, 18 Feb 2017 11:36:54 -0800, "OREALLY"
wrote:

There are significant advantages to IE.

If that's your view, that's fine with me. But it's not mine at all. In
my opinion, Edge is the worst browser out there, and IE is a close
second. Almost any other browser is preferable.


Ken, I suspect you've fallen for a troll. The initial rant was silly
enough, since -- as you rightly pointed out -- it's quite easy to
switch to a real browser. But the claim of "advantages" to IE11 is
even more silly, and I can't imagine that anyone including the OP
believes it.


No, that's what happens when someones Internet Banking only
works with a specific version of Internet Explorer (ActiveX
etc.). Other than some quirk like that, it doesn't really
have any advantages at all. But your bank probably likes it.
The banks even like to drag their heels, optimizing for
IE10 when IE11 is out.



My bank's web site works fine with FireFox.