Is Barnes & Noble https site untrusted for you today?

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On 2017-03-04, Stijn De Jong wrote:
Just tried to claim a Nook book on Barnes & Noble on the iPad (which took
about two dozen steps, believe it or not, because that's how iOS works) but
something seemed to be wrong with the B&N encrypted site:
http://i.cubeupload.com/ZnKOrv.jpg

Tried the https Barnes & Noble site on Windows (which only took one step):
http://i.cubeupload.com/PqkGgI.jpg

And on Android (which again, took only one step):
http://i.cubeupload.com/UGiXkT.jpg

All three failed.

Failed means what?

I tried one of your links ( which undoubtedly was stale by then) and got
an https failure notice. If that was what you meant, then yes I got it
too on LInux Mageia. But then i.cubeupload.com resolves to 46.4.115.108
which whois claims to be
route: 46.4.0.0/16
descr: HETZNER-RZ-FKS-BLK3
origin: AS24940
org: ORG-HOA1-RIPE
mnt-by: HOS-GUN
created: 2010-08-23T11:57:35Z
last-modified: 2010-08-23T11:57:35Z
source: RIPE

organisation: ORG-HOA1-RIPE
org-name: Hetzner Online GmbH
org-type: LIR
address: Industriestrasse 25
address: D-91710
address: Gunzenhausen
address: GERMANY
phone: +49 9831 5050
fax-no: +49 9831 5053


What hetzner.com has to do with Barnes and Noble I have no idea, other
than your post may well have been bad.

The OP had better check the IP addresses in his resolv.conf....

A few years ago our billy box at home had DNS IPs located in China. :-(

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On 2017-03-05 11:25, sms wrote:
On 3/4/2017 7:40 PM, Stijn De Jong wrote:

So the link mailed by B&N won't work for anyone unless they accept the
insecure connection, but you still need to give B&N valid credit card
credentials in order to obtain a free gift.

One of my credit cards offers virtual card numbers where you can specify
a $ limit and an expiration date. This turns out to be an exceptionally
useful feature when dealing with "free offers" that require a credit
card, buying from merchants that you're not sure have secure systems
(though even large merchants have had breaches), getting rebates that
require signing up for a free trial that will renew unless canceled, etc..

Absolutely!

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

Andy Burns wrote:
Stijn De Jong wrote:

The error doesn't occur with http; just with https.

Shocking! encryption error doesn't happen with unencrypted protocol.

He's pretty clueless that way. ; ) Yet he constantly trolls the Apple
newsgroups belittling iOS users for being so-called "simpletons". It's
comical for those of us who know better to watch him shove both feet in his
mouth time and time again. : D

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Andy Burns wrote:
Stijn De Jong wrote:

1. The nook app won't load unless iOS is updated.
http://i.cubeupload.com/qDcfWq.jpg

You don't consider that a previous version of the Nook app would have
been supported on previous versions of iOS?

He's here to troll iOS at every turn.

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On 3/4/2017 7:40 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

they [B&N] will bombard you to buy things,

In fairness to B&N I have been an online member for a few years now and
have never received an ad by email. YMMV. If I go to my account there
are ads of course, but no worse than my Kindle or Google Play Book accounts.

B&N was a forced marriage for me. I was a member of eReader.com
where I bought ebooks for my Palm Pilot (remember those?). B&N bought
eReader.com and later closed it and my account transferred to B&N.
Some of my ebooks transferred successfully and some were lost. Annoying.

and if they have your credit card it is just one click to buy. And
considering how well they handle certificates, I would not dare give
them a real plastic credit card to store.

IMO my CC is in much more danger in the real world than online, even
when using http. When the server takes it out of sight in in a
restaurant. When I swipe it in a compromised gas pump. When I shop at
Target and they get hacked. On and on...

On Sun, 5 Mar 2017 00:42:57 -0500, tlvp wrote:

barnesandnoble.com uses an invalid security certificate. The certificate is
only valid for *.barnesandnoble.com Error code: SSL_ERROR_BAD_CERT_DOMAIN

The Vivaldi browser reports similarly:

Thanks for checking it out on Vivaldi.

Now that I know to look for the certificate, it would be nice if there is a
command: "Do you have a certificate?"

Here is the "button" in the iOS Gmail that you click on:
http://i.cubeupload.com/lfgOZy.jpg

When you click that button, up comes the default browser (chrome) with the
long erroneous URL in iOS.

Amazingly, just editing a URL for safari is miserable on iOS:
Step 1. Long press on the URL in Chrome
Step 2. Select "select all" out of "select, select all, paste".
Step 3. Select "copy" out of "cut, copy, paste, share".
Step 4. Open up a new browser session in Safari
Step 5. Try to paste to edit, but you can't in iOS (Apple restricts you)
All you can do is "copy" or "paste & go". Why? (Apple restricts you).
You can't edit the URL in safari. Why? (Apple restricts what you can do).
Step 6. Open up a text editor on ioS
Step 7. Paste into that text editor on iOS
Step 8. Edit on that text editor in iOS
Step 9. Long press the URL
Step 10. Press "select all"
Step 11. Press "copy"
Step 12. Go back to Safari, and now the restrictive "paste & go" will work.
Apparently Apple has deemed it such that nobody on iOS would ever want to
edit the URL so you can only "copy" or "paste & search".

Where every other operating system on the planet allows a paste and edit
before going there, only iOS makes a simple edit a multi-step task!

On Sun, 5 Mar 2017 10:29:31 +0100, J.O. Aho wrote:

Sorry, but the OP visited https://www.barnesandnoble.com which is has a
valid certificate.

That's why I said it's not so simple.

On her iPad, she has this email in Gmail:
http://i.cubeupload.com/lfgOZy.jpg

All you are supposed to do is press the little blue button.
That's when it opens up a very long link in Chrome on iOS.
And fails.

Unfortunately, it's literally a dozen steps to edit that URL so you never
see the full extent of the URL when you try this process.

Even just changing the default browser from Chrome to Safari requires a
lookup on the net, where the first line of the articles say (verbatim):
"Apple tries to stop it, but there are ways to change your default apps on
iOS."

And ..
"The one way to truly change your default apps is to jailbreak your
device."

And...
"Unless your?e driven completely mad by iOS?s limitations, we don?t really
recommend jailbreaking"

In the end, again, always due to incessant iOS restrictions where it's
amazing that iOS users put up with this, it says you have to hunt and peck
for apps that allow the change.
"Developers have had to work around iOS?s lack of support for choosing
system-wide default options by adding support for this to each individual
application. You?ll need to check the settings on each different app you
use and choose your default apps there, if the app supports it."

https://www.howtogeek.com/204911/how...phone-or-ipad/

On 5 Mar 2017 14:58:17 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

He's here to troll iOS at every turn.

You'll note that Jolly Roger has tens of thousands of posts, which just say
"troll" where he accuses *everyone* of being a troll, yet, watch.

He will add *zero* technical value to *any* thread.

Not one. His posts are *never* (ever!) on topic.

On Sun, 5 Mar 2017 03:40:24 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:

Now they will bombard you to buy things, and if they have your credit
card it is just one click to buy. And considering how well they handle
certificates, I would not dare give them a real plastic credit card to
store.

You bring up a good point because we just gave up.

We even brought the iPad to the person (a neighbor) who kindly gifted the
book to my wife (he's an ex navy fighter pilot so they're both interested
in navigation, both of them being electrical engineers).

He was so frustrated with the iPad (he has a Mac and iPhones) that he spent
a half hour on the "live chat" with Barnes & Noble where we just told them
to take the darn thing back!

So, like many things where their real goal was never to give you the book
but to get your credit card, we just gave up (but they have the credit card
information, which we have to remove, but they have it nonetheless, plus an
account, plus an email, plus whatever else they gleaned off the iPad).

Unfortunately, Apple won't let us roll back to where we were happy with
connectivity ot Linux and Windows (without that itunes bloatware).

Worst of all, we're now *stuck* with an iOS version we never wanted in the
first place and Apple won't let us roll back to where we were happy.

In article , Stijn De Jong
wrote:


When you click that button, up comes the default browser (chrome) with the
long erroneous URL in iOS.

Amazingly, just editing a URL for safari is miserable on iOS:
Step 1. Long press on the URL in Chrome
Step 2. Select "select all" out of "select, select all, paste".
Step 3. Select "copy" out of "cut, copy, paste, share".
Step 4. Open up a new browser session in Safari
Step 5. Try to paste to edit, but you can't in iOS (Apple restricts you)
All you can do is "copy" or "paste & go". Why? (Apple restricts you).
You can't edit the URL in safari. Why? (Apple restricts what you can do).
Step 6. Open up a text editor on ioS
Step 7. Paste into that text editor on iOS
Step 8. Edit on that text editor in iOS
Step 9. Long press the URL
Step 10. Press "select all"
Step 11. Press "copy"
Step 12. Go back to Safari, and now the restrictive "paste & go" will work.
Apparently Apple has deemed it such that nobody on iOS would ever want to
edit the URL so you can only "copy" or "paste & search".

seriously???? how stupid can anyone be. there is *no* need to
copy/paste into a text editor to edit a url. seriously, wtf.

to edit a url on ios (or anything else for that matter):
- tap the address bar to make it active
- tap the keyboard to move the edit point to the appropriate place
- make the necessary changes.

it's actually *easier* on ios because of direct cursor movement.

Where every other operating system on the planet allows a paste and edit
before going there, only iOS makes a simple edit a multi-step task!

it doesn't.

yet another example of you ****ing up.

On 2017-03-05 16:59, Stijn De Jong wrote:
On Sun, 5 Mar 2017 03:40:24 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:


So, like many things where their real goal was never to give you the book
but to get your credit card, we just gave up (but they have the credit card
information, which we have to remove, but they have it nonetheless, plus an
account, plus an email, plus whatever else they gleaned off the iPad).

I would have bailed out, or at least give a one time virtual credit card
with 1€ amount. I'm wary of gifts that come with conditions.

Unfortunately, Apple won't let us roll back to where we were happy with
connectivity ot Linux and Windows (without that itunes bloatware).

Worst of all, we're now *stuck* with an iOS version we never wanted in the
first place and Apple won't let us roll back to where we were happy.

I don't have any Apple gadget, can't advise you. I don't like their
prices, so I never bought one. And even less the more I learned. But I
will never try to outconvince those that like them. To each his tastes.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

In article , AL wrote:

and if they have your credit card it is just one click to buy. And
considering how well they handle certificates, I would not dare give
them a real plastic credit card to store.

IMO my CC is in much more danger in the real world than online, even
when using http. When the server takes it out of sight in in a
restaurant. When I swipe it in a compromised gas pump. When I shop at
Target and they get hacked. On and on...

yep.

people get all freaked out about using a credit card online but happily
hand it to an underpaid waiter who walks away with it for a few
minutes.

it also doesn't matter, since banks do not hold the customer liable for
fraudulent charges. they'll send out a new card, which will arrive in a
day or so. it's a minor hassle, really.

In article , Carlos E. R.
wrote:


Unfortunately, Apple won't let us roll back to where we were happy with
connectivity ot Linux and Windows (without that itunes bloatware).

Worst of all, we're now *stuck* with an iOS version we never wanted in the
first place and Apple won't let us roll back to where we were happy.

I don't have any Apple gadget, can't advise you. I don't like their
prices, so I never bought one.

their prices are competitive with similar products.

And even less the more I learned.

what did you learn?

But I
will never try to outconvince those that like them. To each his tastes.

yep.

On 2017-03-05, nospam wrote:
In article , Stijn De Jong
wrote:


When you click that button, up comes the default browser (chrome) with the
long erroneous URL in iOS.

Amazingly, just editing a URL for safari is miserable on iOS:
Step 1. Long press on the URL in Chrome
Step 2. Select "select all" out of "select, select all, paste".
Step 3. Select "copy" out of "cut, copy, paste, share".
Step 4. Open up a new browser session in Safari
Step 5. Try to paste to edit, but you can't in iOS (Apple restricts you)
All you can do is "copy" or "paste & go". Why? (Apple restricts you).
You can't edit the URL in safari. Why? (Apple restricts what you can do).
Step 6. Open up a text editor on ioS
Step 7. Paste into that text editor on iOS
Step 8. Edit on that text editor in iOS
Step 9. Long press the URL
Step 10. Press "select all"
Step 11. Press "copy"
Step 12. Go back to Safari, and now the restrictive "paste & go" will work.
Apparently Apple has deemed it such that nobody on iOS would ever want to
edit the URL so you can only "copy" or "paste & search".

seriously???? how stupid can anyone be.

Pretty ****ing stupid. He proves it over and over. : )

there is *no* need to copy/paste into a text editor to edit a url.
seriously, wtf.

Shhh...you'll teach him something else about iOS if you're not careful!
It's much more fun to watch him stick his foot in his mouth and flail
around while claiming simple things can't be done, like a dumb ass! : )

to edit a url on ios (or anything else for that matter):
- tap the address bar to make it active
- tap the keyboard to move the edit point to the appropriate place
- make the necessary changes.

it's actually *easier* on ios because of direct cursor movement.

Dammit, why'd you have to tell him? : )

Where every other operating system on the planet allows a paste and edit
before going there, only iOS makes a simple edit a multi-step task!

it doesn't.

yet another example of you ****ing up.

Idiot troll. : )

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On Sat, 04 Mar 2017 22:49:31 -0500, nospam wrote:

if it did things behind your back without asking, you'd be bitching
about that too.

Even a day later after the unwanted update to iOS 10.whatever, the iPad is
still bombarding my wife with these questions (what does she know about the
answers?)

Look here for proof of what I say: http://i.cubeupload.com/S2iPEV.jpg

Carrier Settings Update:
New settings are available. Would you like to update them now?
Not Now. Update.

What's the answer?

Every single app, one by one, over an agonizing spam of time, asks:
"WiFi photo May Slow Down Your iPad"
The developer of this app needs to update it to improve its compatibility.

Where your only choice is "OK".

Look here for proof: http://i.cubeupload.com/gH5PJh.jpg

Do they really need to say the *same* message (yup, every app "may slow
down" and every single app developer "needs to update it".

There must be scores of these messages to date.
And you don't even get the common decency option of saying no.