Registry cleaner ?

1. JV16 Power Tools is not freeware

2. I have used it on my computers

3. It does its job well(removing unwanted registry entries, etc.)

4. Does it make a computer run better? Perhaps a little bit.

5. Does it do any harm? No, as long as you follow the directions for
its use.

On 1/7/2010 6:41 AM, Jackson wrote:
Kim Komando's tip of the day (07 Jan) has good words for
Microcraft's jv Power tools for cleaning the registry. I
believe it's freeware.

Has anyone used this program? Do you have any remarks or
recomendations?
Jack from Taxacola (formerly Pensacola), FL

1. JV16 Power Tools is not freeware

2. I have used it on my computers

3. It does its job well(removing unwanted registry entries, etc.)

4. Does it make a computer run better? Perhaps a little bit.

5. Does it do any harm? No, as long as you follow the directions for
its use.

On 1/7/2010 6:41 AM, Jackson wrote:
Kim Komando's tip of the day (07 Jan) has good words for
Microcraft's jv Power tools for cleaning the registry. I
believe it's freeware.

Has anyone used this program? Do you have any remarks or
recomendations?
Jack from Taxacola (formerly Pensacola), FL

Steve Hayes wrote in
:

On Sat, 9 Jan 2010 18:58:53 -0500, "Daave"
wrote:

Steve Hayes wrote:
On Thu, 7 Jan 2010 23:28:46 -0500, "David H. Lipman"
wrote:

You don't. There is no need to clean the Registry. It
is a myth to sell snake oil. Very often these so-called
Registry Cleaners are malware.

(Still waiting for an example, David.)

SNIP

I thoguht that in this ng, unless otherwise stated, that
WERE talking about Windows XP operating system.

And if I reinstall the software, will it just overwrite the
old entries, so that they don't interfere with the new
installation?

/Very/ good question. Let's see all the people who enjoy
hoarding old registry entries answer that one. Let's specify
"reinstall" and "overwrite" to mean that a newer version of the
same program is being installed, or a /similar/ program which
handles the same types of files.

(If you are reinstalling the /identical/ version of the same
program you had before, the worst that may happen is that you
may end up with old settings you don't want any more or that you
may end up with new settings you didn't want, depending on how
bad the install routine is written. Either way you will have to
do some work.)

Steve Hayes wrote in
:

On Sat, 9 Jan 2010 18:58:53 -0500, "Daave"
wrote:

Steve Hayes wrote:
On Thu, 7 Jan 2010 23:28:46 -0500, "David H. Lipman"
wrote:

You don't. There is no need to clean the Registry. It
is a myth to sell snake oil. Very often these so-called
Registry Cleaners are malware.

(Still waiting for an example, David.)

SNIP

I thoguht that in this ng, unless otherwise stated, that
WERE talking about Windows XP operating system.

And if I reinstall the software, will it just overwrite the
old entries, so that they don't interfere with the new
installation?

/Very/ good question. Let's see all the people who enjoy
hoarding old registry entries answer that one. Let's specify
"reinstall" and "overwrite" to mean that a newer version of the
same program is being installed, or a /similar/ program which
handles the same types of files.

(If you are reinstalling the /identical/ version of the same
program you had before, the worst that may happen is that you
may end up with old settings you don't want any more or that you
may end up with new settings you didn't want, depending on how
bad the install routine is written. Either way you will have to
do some work.)

Steve Hayes wrote:
On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 09:53:32 -0500, "Daave" wrote:

But operating systems from XP onward are designed so differently, and
seemingly countless orphan entries in the registry interestingly
cause no appreciable difference in performance. This is why so many
experienced people caution against the use of these programs. There
is no noticeable benefit and there is a small chance that significant
damage may occur. Yes, although rare, there have been instances
reported in these very newsgroups where people have been unable to
boot into Windows after running these cleaners!

Thanks for that info.

For advanced people who always have an up-to-date image or clone of
their system hard drive, using the _non-scam_ registry cleaners is
not an issue because even if the rare situation of a non-bootable
system occurs, they're covered. And some people like to play around
and clean house, attempting to rid their registries of as many
useless entries (or entries *perceived* of as useless!) as possible.
Some of these people (hello, Twayne) will insist that the perceived
threat of cleaning a registry is overblown.

I installed some programs on my second hard disk, which then began
misbehaving. I put in a new disk, restored the partition images from
backups, but the new programs were missing, though the stuff in the
registry on the C: drive will still be there.

I was thinking of reinstalling some of those programs, but wondered
if the existing registry entries might confuse things, so was
thinking of using a registry cleaner (after making a backup of the C:
drive) before trying to reinstall them.

Chances are 99.9% that there will be no confusion. Nothing in life is
100%. But that also goes for altering registry settings as a
preventative measure. There is always a small chance that doing so will
cause significant problems. That is why it is logical to leave well
enough alone.

Most registry cleaners I know come on those discs distributed with
rputable computer magazines -- if they are all malware, why isn't
there a chorus of complaints from their readers?

They are *not* all malware. Most, in fact, are legit programs (which
would explain why there is no "chorus of complaints" :-) ). They just
don't offer any benefit when it comes to increasing performance; it is a
placebo effect.

*Some* programs are malware, however. Here is one example:

http://www.411-spyware.com/remove-registrycleanerpro

Steve Hayes wrote:
On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 09:53:32 -0500, "Daave" wrote:

But operating systems from XP onward are designed so differently, and
seemingly countless orphan entries in the registry interestingly
cause no appreciable difference in performance. This is why so many
experienced people caution against the use of these programs. There
is no noticeable benefit and there is a small chance that significant
damage may occur. Yes, although rare, there have been instances
reported in these very newsgroups where people have been unable to
boot into Windows after running these cleaners!

Thanks for that info.

For advanced people who always have an up-to-date image or clone of
their system hard drive, using the _non-scam_ registry cleaners is
not an issue because even if the rare situation of a non-bootable
system occurs, they're covered. And some people like to play around
and clean house, attempting to rid their registries of as many
useless entries (or entries *perceived* of as useless!) as possible.
Some of these people (hello, Twayne) will insist that the perceived
threat of cleaning a registry is overblown.

I installed some programs on my second hard disk, which then began
misbehaving. I put in a new disk, restored the partition images from
backups, but the new programs were missing, though the stuff in the
registry on the C: drive will still be there.

I was thinking of reinstalling some of those programs, but wondered
if the existing registry entries might confuse things, so was
thinking of using a registry cleaner (after making a backup of the C:
drive) before trying to reinstall them.

Chances are 99.9% that there will be no confusion. Nothing in life is
100%. But that also goes for altering registry settings as a
preventative measure. There is always a small chance that doing so will
cause significant problems. That is why it is logical to leave well
enough alone.

Most registry cleaners I know come on those discs distributed with
rputable computer magazines -- if they are all malware, why isn't
there a chorus of complaints from their readers?

They are *not* all malware. Most, in fact, are legit programs (which
would explain why there is no "chorus of complaints" :-) ). They just
don't offer any benefit when it comes to increasing performance; it is a
placebo effect.

*Some* programs are malware, however. Here is one example:

http://www.411-spyware.com/remove-registrycleanerpro

In ,
thanatoid typed:
"Shenan Stanley" wrote in
:

Jackson wrote:
Kim Komando's tip of the day (07 Jan) has good words for
Microcraft's jv Power tools for cleaning the registry. I
believe it's freeware.

Has anyone used this program? Do you have any remarks or
recomendations?

Would you clean your registry manually?

I do and have many times.

Would you use such a cleaning tool and verify each entry it
found and wanted to remove manually before removing it?

That is SOME sentence ;-)

JV16 does an amazing job and tells you exactly WHY something
"can go" and it's up to you, It also makes backups - which I
have NEVER needed to use.

Generally, after using my 4 reg cleaners (I only do it once in a
while, like before making an image of C I DO manually clean
stuff because NOTHING will do EVERYTHING.

The reg cleaners just make the job faster and more thorough
since they will look through everything, like the entire HKCR
tree, something I have NO patience for.

I'll buy that; it's one step further than I go, but it doesn't hurt anything
as long as you know what you're doing, which you do or you wouldn't be
online G . Well, I also only use one cleaner too, but I do have three I
keep available just in case.
You did well, brain-farted sentence and all! :^}

Cheers,

Twayne`

In ,
thanatoid typed:
"Shenan Stanley" wrote in
:

Jackson wrote:
Kim Komando's tip of the day (07 Jan) has good words for
Microcraft's jv Power tools for cleaning the registry. I
believe it's freeware.

Has anyone used this program? Do you have any remarks or
recomendations?

Would you clean your registry manually?

I do and have many times.

Would you use such a cleaning tool and verify each entry it
found and wanted to remove manually before removing it?

That is SOME sentence ;-)

JV16 does an amazing job and tells you exactly WHY something
"can go" and it's up to you, It also makes backups - which I
have NEVER needed to use.

Generally, after using my 4 reg cleaners (I only do it once in a
while, like before making an image of C I DO manually clean
stuff because NOTHING will do EVERYTHING.

The reg cleaners just make the job faster and more thorough
since they will look through everything, like the entire HKCR
tree, something I have NO patience for.

I'll buy that; it's one step further than I go, but it doesn't hurt anything
as long as you know what you're doing, which you do or you wouldn't be
online G . Well, I also only use one cleaner too, but I do have three I
keep available just in case.
You did well, brain-farted sentence and all! :^}

Cheers,

Twayne`

In ,
John John - MVP typed:
I'll post where ever I want and if you don't like it don't bother
reading my posts.

What good, pray tell, has a registry cleaner ever done for you? Like
all the other believers out there you put some kind of blind faith or
voodoo trust in them and because your registry cleaner has found and
removed a couple of orphaned registry entries it gives you a warm
fuzzy feeling and you think that it's doing something useful.

Your question says it all, "WHAT, pray tell, has one done to any of
YOUR systems that you could not undo with the backup files...". That
is the gist of it all. Why bother with programs that at best do
nothing other than give you a fuzzy feeling and that at worst will
cause problems requiring you to restore registry files? That is if
the registry cleaner can even restore its own backup (often they
can't) or if it hasn't crippled the installation to the point where
the Windows can't boot properly.
John

thanatoid wrote:
John John - MVP wrote in
:

Don't bother with these utterly useless registry cleaners,
they cause more harm than good.




Don't top post.

WHAT, pray tell, has one done to any of YOUR systems that you
could not undo with the backup files (which all the ones I have
used offer to create - and NONE of which I have ever had to use
myself)?

I'll post where ever I want and if you don't like it don't bother
reading my posts.

I'll do exactly as I please, thank you! And I could not care less whether
maroons read my posts or not. It's your choice.

What good, pray tell, has a registry cleaner ever done for you? Like
all the other believers out there you put some kind of blind faith or
voodoo trust in them and because your registry cleaner has found and
removed a couple of orphaned registry entries it gives you a warm
fuzzy feeling and you think that it's doing something useful.

Registry cleaners have done an immense amount of good for me, ranging
from speeding boot times on occastion, getting programs back and working
that were hijacked by a leftover entry the prog just happened to pick up,
faster registry-load times into RAM, etc., all the way to doing nothing
perceptible. That's what they've done for me.
Orphaned entries are irrelevant but apparently the only thing you thing
cleaners do. You are so wrong. It's only intentional ignorance that gives
you your own warm fuzzies, I'm afraid.
I'd love to see you trying to get a machine working right again after say
Office quits working, won't start, won't uninstall and won't reinstall. Do
you even have a hint how many regisry entries you'll find for MS Office?
After replacing msinstaller and ten more minutes, I fired up the registry
cleaner and within a minute or so had MS Office removed from the registry
since I'd deleted all the files it could try to access.

Why bother with programs that at best do
nothing other than give you a fuzzy feeling and that at worst will
cause problems requiring you to restore registry files?
NO SENSE at all! But I don't have any such programs, so ... . Oh, and
in over a decade I've never had a cleaner do any damage to a single byte on
my machines. The good ones are just as robust as the registry is these days
but even the first ones didn't damage anything as you like to keep repeating
ad infinitum in your dazed condition.

That is if
the registry cleaner can even restore its own backup (often they
can't) or if it hasn't crippled the installation to the point where
the Windows can't boot properly.

Ahh, there we a You must download crapola without so much as a thought to
whether the source is going to be legitimate or not. Go looking for no
names and you'll find damaging software in a lot more than registry
cleaners! By contrast, there are very few of them compared to other
possibilities of malware and adware.
I've never had any machine damaged in any way by any of the ones I use.
I've never even had to use the "recovery" functions of any of them, mostly
because I won't use a program that relies on having malware present in order
to run, of which there used to be quite a few of them.

These cleaners are next to utterly
useless and the purposed non existent benefits parroted by the
vendors and fans of these programs are simply not worth the risk of
the real damages that these programs can and do sometimes cause.

Let's see, that long run on sentence says exactly the opposite of what
reality is. There's no more risk than installing any reputable program/s
barring power outages, etc.. THEY - DO - NO - DAMAGE - NOT - EVEN -
SOMETIMES .

It's too bad you insist on keeping your running intentional ignorance and
have absolutely no, nada, not even an inkling of any actual evidence to
support your foolish contentions.

As for benefits parroted by vendors: So now you're saying hype shouldn't be
believed? Hmm, that pretty much puts Microsoft and a lot of other big boys
in the tank! If one doesn't hype their product, how is one to know what the
product even is? You're also a marketing moron in addition to your
misinformation and even the occasional lies.

I feel fer ya! But not much. Thanks for this opportunity to once again
expose you for what you are.

Cheers,

Twayne`

In ,
John John - MVP typed:
I'll post where ever I want and if you don't like it don't bother
reading my posts.

What good, pray tell, has a registry cleaner ever done for you? Like
all the other believers out there you put some kind of blind faith or
voodoo trust in them and because your registry cleaner has found and
removed a couple of orphaned registry entries it gives you a warm
fuzzy feeling and you think that it's doing something useful.

Your question says it all, "WHAT, pray tell, has one done to any of
YOUR systems that you could not undo with the backup files...". That
is the gist of it all. Why bother with programs that at best do
nothing other than give you a fuzzy feeling and that at worst will
cause problems requiring you to restore registry files? That is if
the registry cleaner can even restore its own backup (often they
can't) or if it hasn't crippled the installation to the point where
the Windows can't boot properly.
John

thanatoid wrote:
John John - MVP wrote in
:

Don't bother with these utterly useless registry cleaners,
they cause more harm than good.




Don't top post.

WHAT, pray tell, has one done to any of YOUR systems that you
could not undo with the backup files (which all the ones I have
used offer to create - and NONE of which I have ever had to use
myself)?

I'll post where ever I want and if you don't like it don't bother
reading my posts.

I'll do exactly as I please, thank you! And I could not care less whether
maroons read my posts or not. It's your choice.

What good, pray tell, has a registry cleaner ever done for you? Like
all the other believers out there you put some kind of blind faith or
voodoo trust in them and because your registry cleaner has found and
removed a couple of orphaned registry entries it gives you a warm
fuzzy feeling and you think that it's doing something useful.

Registry cleaners have done an immense amount of good for me, ranging
from speeding boot times on occastion, getting programs back and working
that were hijacked by a leftover entry the prog just happened to pick up,
faster registry-load times into RAM, etc., all the way to doing nothing
perceptible. That's what they've done for me.
Orphaned entries are irrelevant but apparently the only thing you thing
cleaners do. You are so wrong. It's only intentional ignorance that gives
you your own warm fuzzies, I'm afraid.
I'd love to see you trying to get a machine working right again after say
Office quits working, won't start, won't uninstall and won't reinstall. Do
you even have a hint how many regisry entries you'll find for MS Office?
After replacing msinstaller and ten more minutes, I fired up the registry
cleaner and within a minute or so had MS Office removed from the registry
since I'd deleted all the files it could try to access.

Why bother with programs that at best do
nothing other than give you a fuzzy feeling and that at worst will
cause problems requiring you to restore registry files?
NO SENSE at all! But I don't have any such programs, so ... . Oh, and
in over a decade I've never had a cleaner do any damage to a single byte on
my machines. The good ones are just as robust as the registry is these days
but even the first ones didn't damage anything as you like to keep repeating
ad infinitum in your dazed condition.

That is if
the registry cleaner can even restore its own backup (often they
can't) or if it hasn't crippled the installation to the point where
the Windows can't boot properly.

Ahh, there we a You must download crapola without so much as a thought to
whether the source is going to be legitimate or not. Go looking for no
names and you'll find damaging software in a lot more than registry
cleaners! By contrast, there are very few of them compared to other
possibilities of malware and adware.
I've never had any machine damaged in any way by any of the ones I use.
I've never even had to use the "recovery" functions of any of them, mostly
because I won't use a program that relies on having malware present in order
to run, of which there used to be quite a few of them.

These cleaners are next to utterly
useless and the purposed non existent benefits parroted by the
vendors and fans of these programs are simply not worth the risk of
the real damages that these programs can and do sometimes cause.

Let's see, that long run on sentence says exactly the opposite of what
reality is. There's no more risk than installing any reputable program/s
barring power outages, etc.. THEY - DO - NO - DAMAGE - NOT - EVEN -
SOMETIMES .

It's too bad you insist on keeping your running intentional ignorance and
have absolutely no, nada, not even an inkling of any actual evidence to
support your foolish contentions.

As for benefits parroted by vendors: So now you're saying hype shouldn't be
believed? Hmm, that pretty much puts Microsoft and a lot of other big boys
in the tank! If one doesn't hype their product, how is one to know what the
product even is? You're also a marketing moron in addition to your
misinformation and even the occasional lies.

I feel fer ya! But not much. Thanks for this opportunity to once again
expose you for what you are.

Cheers,

Twayne`

In ,
David H. Lipman typed:
From: "thanatoid"

"David H. Lipman" wrote in
:

From: "Jackson"

Kim Komando's tip of the day (07 Jan) has good words for
Microcraft's jv Power tools for cleaning the registry. I
believe it's freeware.

Has anyone used this program? Do you have any remarks or
recomendations?
Jack from Taxacola (formerly Pensacola), FL

Rulle of thumb...

Do NOT use so-called Registry Cleaners !

You "rulle" of thumb is as good as its spelling.


Forget the BS spelling faux pas...

It is contraindicated to use so-called Registry Cleaners !

What're you, practicing to pose as a doctor? Take two pills of whatever
you've got and go to sleep.

In ,
David H. Lipman typed:
From: "thanatoid"

"David H. Lipman" wrote in
:

From: "Jackson"

Kim Komando's tip of the day (07 Jan) has good words for
Microcraft's jv Power tools for cleaning the registry. I
believe it's freeware.

Has anyone used this program? Do you have any remarks or
recomendations?
Jack from Taxacola (formerly Pensacola), FL

Rulle of thumb...

Do NOT use so-called Registry Cleaners !

You "rulle" of thumb is as good as its spelling.


Forget the BS spelling faux pas...

It is contraindicated to use so-called Registry Cleaners !

What're you, practicing to pose as a doctor? Take two pills of whatever
you've got and go to sleep.

In ,
David H. Lipman typed:
From: "thanatoid"

"David H. Lipman" wrote in
:

From: "thanatoid"

"David H. Lipman" wrote in
:

From: "Jackson"

Kim Komando's tip of the day (07 Jan) has good words for
Microcraft's jv Power tools for cleaning the registry. I
believe it's freeware.

Has anyone used this program? Do you have any remarks or
recomendations?
Jack from Taxacola (formerly Pensacola), FL

Rulle of thumb...

Do NOT use so-called Registry Cleaners !

You "rulle" of thumb is as good as its spelling.

Forget the BS spelling faux pas...

It is contraindicated to use so-called Registry Cleaners !

OK, I'll bite... Why?


Because the need for one is a myth

Use can cause MORE problems than they purport to solve. Problems
that can be catastrophic.

Citations? Detailed, verifiable evidence? Anything besides the very
occasional anecdote? I've never seen one other than the Um, Huh thread
written with extreme bias by one of our participants here.
On what do you base your opinion (which you state as fact)? Oh, that's
right; you're a micro-sap company man.

Twayne`

In ,
David H. Lipman typed:
From: "thanatoid"

"David H. Lipman" wrote in
:

From: "thanatoid"

"David H. Lipman" wrote in
:

From: "Jackson"

Kim Komando's tip of the day (07 Jan) has good words for
Microcraft's jv Power tools for cleaning the registry. I
believe it's freeware.

Has anyone used this program? Do you have any remarks or
recomendations?
Jack from Taxacola (formerly Pensacola), FL

Rulle of thumb...

Do NOT use so-called Registry Cleaners !

You "rulle" of thumb is as good as its spelling.

Forget the BS spelling faux pas...

It is contraindicated to use so-called Registry Cleaners !

OK, I'll bite... Why?


Because the need for one is a myth

Use can cause MORE problems than they purport to solve. Problems
that can be catastrophic.

Citations? Detailed, verifiable evidence? Anything besides the very
occasional anecdote? I've never seen one other than the Um, Huh thread
written with extreme bias by one of our participants here.
On what do you base your opinion (which you state as fact)? Oh, that's
right; you're a micro-sap company man.

Twayne`

In ,
thanatoid typed:
"David H. Lipman" wrote in
:

SNIP

Rulle of thumb...

Do NOT use so-called Registry Cleaners !

You "rulle" of thumb is as good as its spelling.

Forget the BS spelling faux pas...

It is contraindicated to use so-called Registry Cleaners
!

OK, I'll bite... Why?

Because the need for one is a myth

I just LOVE specific replies! Bravo!

Use can cause MORE problems than they purport to solve.
Problems that can be catastrophic.

I /could/ ask for an example but judging by your "reply" to my
first question, I don't see much point.

You've got it! Not a single one of the few posters here who spew the same
misinformation over and over have anything they can cite or use to advance
their point other than the occasional anecdotal, unverifiable post and the
um, huh!

Twayne