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Nil brought next idea :
On 02 Aug 2013, Richard Rose wrote in alt.comp.os.windows-8: Give me one good reason why I should be an unpaid bug tester for M$? Sounds like you think Microsoft is covertly watching you post to Usenet newsgroups, waiting for you the SuperHacker to reveal the previously unknown bugs in their APIs which you alone have uncovered, which they will then use to expand their evil empire and take over the universe. You now have two choices: you can promise to keep those bugs secret and know you have saved the world from destruction, or you can divulge them and spend your life hiding under a variety of assumed identities. You better decide quick, before they hunt you down and make you an offer you can't refuse. LOL, so little you know! |
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Gene E. Bloch wrote on 02/08/2013 :
On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 20:30:20 +0100, Richard Rose wrote: It happens that Nil formulated : On 02 Aug 2013, Richard Rose wrote in alt.comp.os.windows-8: Nil wrote : On 01 Aug 2013, Richard Rose wrote in alt.comp.os.windows-8: And you dont have to contend with bugs with MS cant fix that go back Windows 3.1 Such as what? In other words, you can't name any. Give me one good reason why I should be an unpaid bug tester for M$? I don't recall that anyone was asking you to be a bug tester. The responders were asking you to list some of the bugs that you claim exist. It definitely seems to me that those questions were rather more reasonable than your responses to them. I'm not going to divulge everything I know, its as simple as that, for reasons you wont get to know about either. |
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On 8/1/13 3:01 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Thu, 01 Aug 2013 11:51:22 -0600, Ken Springer wrote: I just don't understand the idea that you *have* to have MS Office, Adobe Photoshop, Corel Draw, etc. And it frustrates me to no end! LOL With some exceptions, I by and large agree with you. But see below. Unless a program has a specific function/feature you need, there are a myriad of programs out there that can replace any of those programs. And many are free and cross platform. There at least two things about that statement that I don't agree with: 1. If I have invested a substantial amount of time and trouble learning how to use a specific program, and learning how to use a new different one means I would now have to expend a lot of time and trouble all over again, making a change is not at all attractive. Photoshop is probably a good example of that. That probably depends on the "other" program. Kingsoft Office Free mimics the interface of Word 2003. So I doubt there would be much difference when it comes to the learning curve. Libre Office, though, does have a fairly different interface, but after learning where the various options were, I didn't have that much problem. Certainly not the amount of time I think you are talking about. 2. If I have a history of data in some particular format and there is no other program that can read and use it properly, I would never want to make a change. My Quicken history is what I have in mind. I've never used Quicken, but I've heard their data is difficult to deal with if you want to change. I don't know what Linux programs are available and what they can do and what they can't do. Perhaps my examples of Photoshop and Quicken aren't good ones, and there are Linux replacements that would satisfy me. But they were only meant as examples of my points. They might be poor examples, but if so, there are undoubtedly other good ones. Agreed. But, you don't know about the difficulties you may, or may not, have with an alternative until you actually sit down and use an alternative for more than a few minutes. No one *needs* a specific program. Generally true, but we are all different, and that doesn't apply to everyone. Some people, for all practical purposes, do need a specific program. All that is needed is for the program you are using to have the features you need/want, and to be able to read the other guy's files. Those are the main things that are needed, but they are not all. See above. Look at the logical end... If it got to the point where MS Word was the only word processor available anywhere. MS could make all kinds of changes you don't like, bugs they never fix, etc. Now what's your option? I'm not at all a big fan of Microsoft Word. Instead I use WordPerfect, and I think it's a much better program. But I also know that a good part of my thinking WordPerfect is much better is that it's what I know the best and am most familiar with. If I were forced to make a change (for example, by changing operating systems), I would be a very unhappy camper One thing I'm beginning to relearn from my 8-bit days, you simply have to find and try out different programs that do a particular category of work (i.e. word processors) until you find the one that does what you need, and fits you. On that statement, I'm with you 100% We all have different needs and different tastes, and what's best for one of us isn't necessarily the best for all of us. Mac OS X 10.8.4 Firefox 22.0 Thunderbird 17.0.7 LibreOffice 4.0.4.2 As an example of what I said in the last paragraph above, I don't use any of those. We are completely different here. And that's fine--those might be best for you, but they are not what's best for me. Neither of us is right; we are just different. Here are my equivalents Windows 8 Maxthon 3 (but I've been leaning toward SlimBrowser and may switch over to it) Microsoft Outlook 2013 for e-mail, Forte Agent 6.00 for a newsreader WordPerfect X6 for a word processor, Microsoft Office 2013 for most other Office functions I've got Win8 in a VM to learn about it, but haven't had the time. Maxthon in a Win 7 VM. I don't care for the "lets all move to the cloud" idea of Apple, and now MS. So, won't be using software that does that, for the most part. I'd go to WP if there was a Mac version, as I agree, it's better that Word, or was when I could use it. As for general office functions, I no longer have the need for a full blown package. So I can't justify the cost of purchasing a full package any longer. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.4 Firefox 22.0 Thunderbird 17.0.7 LibreOffice 4.0.4.2 |
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On Sat, 03 Aug 2013 07:11:45 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote: On 8/1/13 3:01 PM, Ken Blake wrote: On Thu, 01 Aug 2013 11:51:22 -0600, Ken Springer wrote: I just don't understand the idea that you *have* to have MS Office, Adobe Photoshop, Corel Draw, etc. And it frustrates me to no end! LOL With some exceptions, I by and large agree with you. But see below. Unless a program has a specific function/feature you need, there are a myriad of programs out there that can replace any of those programs. And many are free and cross platform. There at least two things about that statement that I don't agree with: 1. If I have invested a substantial amount of time and trouble learning how to use a specific program, and learning how to use a new different one means I would now have to expend a lot of time and trouble all over again, making a change is not at all attractive. Photoshop is probably a good example of that. That probably depends on the "other" program. Yes, my point exactly. Not all programs, but some (as I said, Photoshop is probably a good example of that). That's why I disagreed with "Unless a program has a specific function/feature you need, there are a myriad of programs out there that can replace any of those programs." I was pointing out that with some programs there are things other than "a specific function/feature " that makes it difficult to replace. 2. If I have a history of data in some particular format and there is no other program that can read and use it properly, I would never want to make a change. My Quicken history is what I have in mind. I've never used Quicken, but I've heard their data is difficult to deal with if you want to change. Then I guess you agree with my point that "Unless a program has a specific function/feature you need, there are a myriad of programs out there that can replace any of those programs" is an oversimplication. It may be correct for some people, but not for everybody. -- Ken Blake |
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"John" wrote in message ...
On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 17:59:58 -0400, Nil wrote: On 02 Aug 2013, Richard Rose wrote in alt.comp.os.windows-8: Give me one good reason why I should be an unpaid bug tester for M$? ((..omitted..)) Fine ho's and a pink caddie with leopard skin seat covers. (What, exactly *is* a pink caddie? Something like a box for keeping tea leaves?) ((..remainder omitted..)) Pink Cadillac. Elvis Presley, among others, owned one. He bought it used, already painted pink by a previous owner. NOT getting one would probably motivate me to do something, but I can't see receiving one as doing it for me. - Bill |
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On Sat, 03 Aug 2013 09:04:10 +0100, Richard Rose wrote:
Gene E. Bloch wrote on 02/08/2013 : On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 20:30:20 +0100, Richard Rose wrote: It happens that Nil formulated : On 02 Aug 2013, Richard Rose wrote in alt.comp.os.windows-8: Nil wrote : On 01 Aug 2013, Richard Rose wrote in alt.comp.os.windows-8: And you dont have to contend with bugs with MS cant fix that go back Windows 3.1 Such as what? In other words, you can't name any. Give me one good reason why I should be an unpaid bug tester for M$? I don't recall that anyone was asking you to be a bug tester. The responders were asking you to list some of the bugs that you claim exist. It definitely seems to me that those questions were rather more reasonable than your responses to them. I'm not going to divulge everything I know, its as simple as that, for reasons you wont get to know about either. Somehow I can't help but believe you already have divulged everything you know :-) -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) |
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"Gene E. Bloch" wrote:
On Sat, 03 Aug 2013 09:04:10 +0100, Richard Rose wrote: I'm not going to divulge everything I know, its as simple as that, for reasons you wont get to know about either. Somehow I can't help but believe you already have divulged everything you know :-) I agree and I also stuck "Richard Rose" in my Bozo Bin with the rest of the trolls. I hope they play nice together...... -- XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project: http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/ |
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On Sat, 03 Aug 2013 16:20:53 -0700, XS11E wrote:
"Gene E. Bloch" wrote: On Sat, 03 Aug 2013 09:04:10 +0100, Richard Rose wrote: I'm not going to divulge everything I know, its as simple as that, for reasons you wont get to know about either. Somehow I can't help but believe you already have divulged everything you know :-) I agree and I also stuck "Richard Rose" in my Bozo Bin with the rest of the trolls. I hope they play nice together...... Can you post a video of them playing? I'd love to see that. In the meantime, I'm starting with a mental picture of 17 clowns piling out of a 2CV... -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) |
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On Sat, 3 Aug 2013 16:34:00 -0700, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Sat, 03 Aug 2013 16:20:53 -0700, XS11E wrote: "Gene E. Bloch" wrote: On Sat, 03 Aug 2013 09:04:10 +0100, Richard Rose wrote: I'm not going to divulge everything I know, its as simple as that, for reasons you wont get to know about either. Somehow I can't help but believe you already have divulged everything you know :-) I agree and I also stuck "Richard Rose" in my Bozo Bin with the rest of the trolls. I hope they play nice together...... Can you post a video of them playing? I'd love to see that. In the meantime, I'm starting with a mental picture of 17 clowns piling out of a 2CV... Although I might have really been thinking of a 4CV :-) More HP, smaller car... It's been too long - my memory no longer is accurate about these two items, and Google isn't jogging it too well. -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) |
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On Sat, 3 Aug 2013 15:59:37 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote: On Sat, 03 Aug 2013 09:04:10 +0100, Richard Rose wrote: I'm not going to divulge everything I know, its as simple as that, for reasons you wont get to know about either. Somehow I can't help but believe you already have divulged everything you know :-) LOL! I agree. -- Ken Blake |
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On 8/2/13 3:38 AM, mechanic wrote:
On Thu, 01 Aug 2013 11:51:22 -0600, Ken Springer wrote: One thing I'm beginning to relearn from my 8-bit days, you simply have to find and try out different programs that do a particular category of work (i.e. word processors) until you find the one that does what you need, and fits you. Unfortunately when you come out of your cave into the real world and work with others, you find that it's important to use compatible applications so that information and work can be shared. Like it or not MS-Office is the default standard for this. For me, when I come out of my cave, I find people other than those in the corporate environment. Each and every situation is unique, so it's impossible to ever make general statements any more, even in a corporate environment. As I noted in another post, my observations are not limited to the corporate world. What is the standard for you may not be the standard for the person next to you. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.4 Firefox 22.0 Thunderbird 17.0.7 LibreOffice 4.0.4.2 |
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"Gene E. Bloch" wrote:
On Sat, 3 Aug 2013 16:34:00 -0700, Gene E. Bloch wrote: In the meantime, I'm starting with a mental picture of 17 clowns piling out of a 2CV... Although I might have really been thinking of a 4CV :-) More HP, smaller car... It's been too long - my memory no longer is accurate about these two items, and Google isn't jogging it too well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citro%C3%ABn_2CV https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_4CV -- XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project: http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/ |
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on 03/08/2013, Gene E. Bloch supposed :
On Sat, 03 Aug 2013 09:04:10 +0100, Richard Rose wrote: Gene E. Bloch wrote on 02/08/2013 : On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 20:30:20 +0100, Richard Rose wrote: It happens that Nil formulated : On 02 Aug 2013, Richard Rose wrote in alt.comp.os.windows-8: Nil wrote : On 01 Aug 2013, Richard Rose wrote in alt.comp.os.windows-8: And you dont have to contend with bugs with MS cant fix that go back Windows 3.1 Such as what? In other words, you can't name any. Give me one good reason why I should be an unpaid bug tester for M$? I don't recall that anyone was asking you to be a bug tester. The responders were asking you to list some of the bugs that you claim exist. It definitely seems to me that those questions were rather more reasonable than your responses to them. I'm not going to divulge everything I know, its as simple as that, for reasons you wont get to know about either. Somehow I can't help but believe you already have divulged everything you know :-) Believe what you like. |
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XS11E formulated on Sunday :
"Gene E. Bloch" wrote: On Sat, 03 Aug 2013 09:04:10 +0100, Richard Rose wrote: I'm not going to divulge everything I know, its as simple as that, for reasons you wont get to know about either. Somehow I can't help but believe you already have divulged everything you know :-) I agree and I also stuck "Richard Rose" in my Bozo Bin with the rest of the trolls. I hope they play nice together...... MS Fanbois are so funny, are you on the payroll to help manage the reputation of MS or dont they bother managing their reps on the newsgroups becuase they are considered too geeky? Whoops forgot I'm in your bozo bin guess I wont get a reply then asumming you are not all the same sock puppets! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sockpuppet_%28Internet%29 |
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On Sat, 03 Aug 2013 19:28:23 -0600, Ken Springer wrote:
On 8/2/13 3:38 AM, mechanic wrote: On Thu, 01 Aug 2013 11:51:22 -0600, Ken Springer wrote: One thing I'm beginning to relearn from my 8-bit days, you simply have to find and try out different programs that do a particular category of work (i.e. word processors) until you find the one that does what you need, and fits you. Unfortunately when you come out of your cave into the real world and work with others, you find that it's important to use compatible applications so that information and work can be shared. Like it or not MS-Office is the default standard for this. For me, when I come out of my cave, I find people other than those in the corporate environment. Each and every situation is unique, so it's impossible to ever make general statements any more, even in a corporate environment. As I noted in another post, my observations are not limited to the corporate world. What is the standard for you may not be the standard for the person next to you. I wasn't talking specifically about corporate use, although that is important for setting default standards of file sharing too. If you're happy with Abiword or some other toy word processor good luck to you. If you're not producing documents with MS-Office (or possibly Frame) you will find a lot of push-back in the real world when you come to exchange or edit them co-operatively. As this is a windows-8 group I don't think people here would mind spending silly money on software to do the job. |
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