Win7 support:

*******

The KB3060716 has failed to install. And everything
after that is failing.

The only reference I can find to KB3060716 is this.

https://www.sevenforums.com/windows-...kb3071756.html

"One update was KB2922229 and the other was KB2984976.

I believe the updates KB3071756 and KB3060716 replaced the others
from an earlier time including last month. I uninstalled both
KB2922229 and KB2984976, rebooted and checked for updates again.
It said the same two updates were available, KB3071756 and KB3060716.
I went ahead with the installation and they installed successfully.
"




I checked the updates for the
780 again and it had 7 updates
so I downloaded all of them but
only 1 did not run KB4490628.
So it seems were past the logjam
of KB3060716?

Robert

I checked the updates for the
780 again and it had 7 updates
so I downloaded all of them but
only 1 did not run KB4490628.
So it seems were past the logjam
of KB3060716?

Robert



Here's the file:

https://postimg.cc/QKdwVCFc

Robert

Robert in CA wrote:
I checked the updates for the
780 again and it had 7 updates
so I downloaded all of them but
only 1 did not run KB4490628.
So it seems were past the logjam
of KB3060716?

Robert



Here's the file:

https://postimg.cc/QKdwVCFc

Robert

OK, that one is this file.

https://www.catalog.update.microsoft...%20windows%207

9.1MB, download button on the right.

Now, that one is dated 2019-03. If it said
"Not for this machine", then there is likely
a Servicing Stack Update in August which
supersedes it.

When you get the 9.1MB .msu, double click it
to run it. If you have multiple .msu files to
do, you don't have to reboot until the last one.

Paul

On Thursday, August 15, 2019 at 4:53:49 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
I checked the updates for the
780 again and it had 7 updates
so I downloaded all of them but
only 1 did not run KB4490628.
So it seems were past the logjam
of KB3060716?

Robert



Here's the file:

https://postimg.cc/QKdwVCFc

Robert

OK, that one is this file.

https://www.catalog.update.microsoft...%20windows%207

9.1MB, download button on the right.

Now, that one is dated 2019-03. If it said
"Not for this machine", then there is likely
a Servicing Stack Update in August which
supersedes it.

When you get the 9.1MB .msu, double click it
to run it. If you have multiple .msu files to
do, you don't have to reboot until the last one.

Paul

These are the files I have downloaded
I then ran updates again and it says
the 780 is up to date:

https://postimg.cc/Q9Dny3T9

https://postimg.cc/4nJSvXGj

Robert

In message , Paul
writes:
[]
Updates have "revision numbers", and it is possible
for an update to install many many times, based on
its revision number changing.
[]
Last time I bothered to notice, the monthly "August's [or whatever]
Malicious Software Removal Tool" was the same KB number two or three
months running.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Madness takes its toll. Please have exact change
[via Penny Mayes )]

Robert in CA wrote:
On Thursday, August 15, 2019 at 4:53:49 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
I checked the updates for the
780 again and it had 7 updates
so I downloaded all of them but
only 1 did not run KB4490628.
So it seems were past the logjam
of KB3060716?

Robert


Here's the file:

https://postimg.cc/QKdwVCFc

Robert
OK, that one is this file.

https://www.catalog.update.microsoft...%20windows%207

9.1MB, download button on the right.

Now, that one is dated 2019-03. If it said
"Not for this machine", then there is likely
a Servicing Stack Update in August which
supersedes it.

When you get the 9.1MB .msu, double click it
to run it. If you have multiple .msu files to
do, you don't have to reboot until the last one.

Paul

These are the files I have downloaded
I then ran updates again and it says
the 780 is up to date:

https://postimg.cc/Q9Dny3T9

https://postimg.cc/4nJSvXGj

Robert


You could take a look in the History link
in Windows Update, and see all the "Success" ones
near the top (which cancel out all the failed ones).

But otherwise, good work! :-)

I thought for sure there, that Windows Update
was going to be "a dumpster fire". But I guess it's
not so bad after all.

Paul

You could take a look in the History link
in Windows Update, and see all the "Success" ones
near the top (which cancel out all the failed ones).

But otherwise, good work! :-)

I thought for sure there, that Windows Update
was going to be "a dumpster fire". But I guess it's
not so bad after all.

Paul



Thanks,.. I could not have done it without you. The
successes are in the first pic,..

Just a few last things though,..

Is there a way to get the internal speaker to work?

Also can we create a Rescue CD for the 780 because at
present I don't have one. Just in case I ever need to
clone or restore in the future.

Robert

You could take a look in the History link
in Windows Update, and see all the "Success" ones
near the top (which cancel out all the failed ones).

But otherwise, good work! :-)

I thought for sure there, that Windows Update
was going to be "a dumpster fire". But I guess it's
not so bad after all.

Paul



btw I found this in my email, it was
apparently during the process of bringing
back the 780 to its present state. I didn't
change the password and FF is working fine.

https://postimg.cc/JHGWJ8FQ

So just delete this since the hour has expired?

Robert

On Friday, August 16, 2019 at 12:13:25 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
On Thursday, August 15, 2019 at 4:53:49 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
I checked the updates for the
780 again and it had 7 updates
so I downloaded all of them but
only 1 did not run KB4490628.
So it seems were past the logjam
of KB3060716?

Robert


Here's the file:

https://postimg.cc/QKdwVCFc

Robert
OK, that one is this file.

https://www.catalog.update.microsoft...%20windows%207

9.1MB, download button on the right.

Now, that one is dated 2019-03. If it said
"Not for this machine", then there is likely
a Servicing Stack Update in August which
supersedes it.

When you get the 9.1MB .msu, double click it
to run it. If you have multiple .msu files to
do, you don't have to reboot until the last one.

Paul

These are the files I have downloaded
I then ran updates again and it says
the 780 is up to date:

https://postimg.cc/Q9Dny3T9

https://postimg.cc/4nJSvXGj

Robert
....

btw Apparently I received this in my email
during the process of getting the 780 back up
but since I have FF running and there seems to
be no problems and since the hour has passed
this is a non-issue.

Just thought you would like to see it.

https://postimg.cc/nsJ2Q1WR

Robert

Robert in CA wrote:
On Friday, August 16, 2019 at 12:13:25 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
On Thursday, August 15, 2019 at 4:53:49 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
I checked the updates for the
780 again and it had 7 updates
so I downloaded all of them but
only 1 did not run KB4490628.
So it seems were past the logjam
of KB3060716?

Robert

Here's the file:

https://postimg.cc/QKdwVCFc

Robert
OK, that one is this file.

https://www.catalog.update.microsoft...%20windows%207

9.1MB, download button on the right.

Now, that one is dated 2019-03. If it said
"Not for this machine", then there is likely
a Servicing Stack Update in August which
supersedes it.

When you get the 9.1MB .msu, double click it
to run it. If you have multiple .msu files to
do, you don't have to reboot until the last one.

Paul
These are the files I have downloaded
I then ran updates again and it says
the 780 is up to date:

https://postimg.cc/Q9Dny3T9

https://postimg.cc/4nJSvXGj

Robert
...

btw Apparently I received this in my email
during the process of getting the 780 back up
but since I have FF running and there seems to
be no problems and since the hour has passed
this is a non-issue.

Just thought you would like to see it.

https://postimg.cc/nsJ2Q1WR

Robert

That could be related to the "sync" function in
Firefox. I don't use that so don't know any details
about it.

Since you did a Repair Install, your Firefox profile has
been preserved from one run to the next. However,
certain identifiers in the OS itself may have changed, and
they could be part of the "cookie" Firefox is using
for its sync function. I think every OS install has
some sort of unique number present in the OS and at
activation time, that's the kind of number
they might use at Microsoft for tracking.

How some computer security functions work, is like this.

1) Token
2) Password

Firefox may have logged in using the previous Token.
It is a proof you logged in with a password.

If the Token has an expiry date, or something "untrusted"
happens, then Firefox could "insist" on the password being
entered.

What Firefox may have noticed, is the Token is now
associated with a different OS security identifier number.
Which should be enough to cause a request for (2).

The usage of Tokens as a password cache, reduces the number
of times a user has to keep typing in the password. Exactly how
well the Firefox sync function is designed, I haven't a clue.

*******

Also, when you reinstall the OS, new
random SID values are used for accounts.

xxxxxxxxx-yyyyyyyyy-zzzzzzzzzz-1000 Rob (administrators group)
xxxxxxxxx-yyyyyyyyy-zzzzzzzzzz-1001 Rob2 (limited user)
...
xxxxxxxxx-yyyyyyyyy-zzzzzzzzzz-500 Real administrator (turned off)

This doesn't matter, except in cases where you might
run into a permissions problem. If you do Properties
on a file and look in the Security tab, an old SID
might show its numeric value, while the new
SID shows as the Rob account and so on. This isn't
really all that important, as the OS has functions
to smooth over problems like that.

If you connect your external drive and use File Explorer,
it will do a Takeown and you'll see a slow green bar
go across the screen the first time. And that should
be "restoration of ownership".

Paul

Also, when you reinstall the OS, new
random SID values are used for accounts.

xxxxxxxxx-yyyyyyyyy-zzzzzzzzzz-1000 Rob (administrators group)
xxxxxxxxx-yyyyyyyyy-zzzzzzzzzz-1001 Rob2 (limited user)
...
xxxxxxxxx-yyyyyyyyy-zzzzzzzzzz-500 Real administrator (turned off)

This doesn't matter, except in cases where you might
run into a permissions problem. If you do Properties
on a file and look in the Security tab, an old SID
might show its numeric value, while the new
SID shows as the Rob account and so on. This isn't
really all that important, as the OS has functions
to smooth over problems like that.

If you connect your external drive and use File Explorer,
it will do a Takeown and you'll see a slow green bar
go across the screen the first time. And that should
be "restoration of ownership".

Paul



Yes, I've seen the green bar but as everything
is working the OS obviously smoothed over this.


What are your thoughts on the internal speaker? I
really would like to get that operational if possible.

Also shouldn't we create a Rescue CD at this point?
since I don't have one. I thought we created one and
it even had a completed but the DVD-R is blank which
is why it didn't load. I've checked the other DVD-R's
and its not there. I don't know what happened to it?

Robert

Robert in CA wrote:
Also, when you reinstall the OS, new
random SID values are used for accounts.

xxxxxxxxx-yyyyyyyyy-zzzzzzzzzz-1000 Rob (administrators group)
xxxxxxxxx-yyyyyyyyy-zzzzzzzzzz-1001 Rob2 (limited user)
...
xxxxxxxxx-yyyyyyyyy-zzzzzzzzzz-500 Real administrator (turned off)

This doesn't matter, except in cases where you might
run into a permissions problem. If you do Properties
on a file and look in the Security tab, an old SID
might show its numeric value, while the new
SID shows as the Rob account and so on. This isn't
really all that important, as the OS has functions
to smooth over problems like that.

If you connect your external drive and use File Explorer,
it will do a Takeown and you'll see a slow green bar
go across the screen the first time. And that should
be "restoration of ownership".

Paul



Yes, I've seen the green bar but as everything
is working the OS obviously smoothed over this.


What are your thoughts on the internal speaker? I
really would like to get that operational if possible.

Also shouldn't we create a Rescue CD at this point?
since I don't have one. I thought we created one and
it even had a completed but the DVD-R is blank which
is why it didn't load. I've checked the other DVD-R's
and its not there. I don't know what happened to it?

Robert

If you made a Rescue CD for the 780, *on* the 780 previously,
Macrium should have included drivers for the hardware.
The hardware has not changed. You're still using
the "RAID ON" setting. You didn't use the opportunity to
change the hardware port setting. You are using the
default. The advantage of sticking to defaults is,
if you need to change the CMOS battery again, the
machine will boot properly afterwards, without having
to fiddle in the BIOS.

What you *can* do at this time, is boot the 780 Macrium CD
and verify that everything looks normal. You should write on
the Macrium CD, whether it was made with 7.2.X or whatever,
as that tells you whether it can restore a Version 7 backup.
I keep my optical media in jewel boxes, and on the
jewel box it will say "Macrium x64 7.2.1234" so I know how
recent it is. The only reason to make new discs:

1) Drastic hardware changes (like, an entirely different computer)
2) Version change. Maybe if Macrium 8 comes out, or there is a
known bug in 7.2.1234, you might cut new media at that time.

By using erasable discs, you can save on media costs. That
hasn't stopped me from having at least five different discs
in the room right now.

*******

I don't know what drives that speaker.

Is it PCBEEP ?

My experience here, is it can be sporadic. On some
boots, the damn thing is quiet. On other boots, less
so. Perhaps if the external speakers are unplugged, it reverts
to using PCBEEP for alerts ?

Just a guess,
Paul

What you *can* do at this time, is boot the 780 Macrium CD
and verify that everything looks normal. You should write on
the Macrium CD, whether it was made with 7.2.X or whatever,
as that tells you whether it can restore a Version 7 backup.
I keep my optical media in jewel boxes, and on the
jewel box it will say "Macrium x64 7.2.1234" so I know how
recent it is...



I checked again and went through all the discs
and thought I found the Rescue CD we made. So
loaded it into the 780 to see if it would work.

When I loaded it it asks to open folder to view
files but when I restarted the 780 nothing happened.

Here are the files:

https://postimg.cc/hXD0sPrc


So is this the Rescue CD? If so, then why didn't it
load when I restarted? If not, we need to create a
new one and I need your instructions on how to do that
as long as there no risk involved to the 780 or 8500.
I don't want to go through another nightmare like we
just went through.

I don't know if the speaker is driven by PCBeep or
not? Maybe I'll get a set of speakers for it at a
later date.

Robert

Robert in CA wrote:
What you *can* do at this time, is boot the 780 Macrium CD
and verify that everything looks normal. You should write on
the Macrium CD, whether it was made with 7.2.X or whatever,
as that tells you whether it can restore a Version 7 backup.
I keep my optical media in jewel boxes, and on the
jewel box it will say "Macrium x64 7.2.1234" so I know how
recent it is...



I checked again and went through all the discs
and thought I found the Rescue CD we made. So
loaded it into the 780 to see if it would work.

When I loaded it it asks to open folder to view
files but when I restarted the 780 nothing happened.

Here are the files:

https://postimg.cc/hXD0sPrc


So is this the Rescue CD? If so, then why didn't it
load when I restarted? If not, we need to create a
new one and I need your instructions on how to do that
as long as there no risk involved to the 780 or 8500.
I don't want to go through another nightmare like we
just went through.

I don't know if the speaker is driven by PCBeep or
not? Maybe I'll get a set of speakers for it at a
later date.

Robert

That appears to be a Kaspersky CD.

Here are some examples.

https://i.postimg.cc/MpYv4XFh/some-discs.gif

If you can't read that, use the "Download original" function.

Run through your discs and see if you have something
different looking than the Kaspersky one.

*******

Have to go out for a few hours.

Paul

In message , Paul
writes:
[]
I don't know what drives that speaker.

Is it PCBEEP ?

My experience here, is it can be sporadic. On some
boots, the damn thing is quiet. On other boots, less
so. Perhaps if the external speakers are unplugged, it reverts
to using PCBEEP for alerts ?

Just a guess,
Paul

I think it's more than just the speaker that runs from a 4-way header
(only 2 wires) driven by a logic gate, for error beeps and the like.
I've come across some small-format systems that had an internal speaker
that would play standard system sounds, .wav/.mp3 files, and so on; it
was obviously connected to the sound "card", not just the logic gate. I
can't give any more details as it was a machine at work. I was surprised
the manufacturers would make such a machine for sale into the business
environment; maybe they had training videos and the like in mind.

Robert: did this internal speaker _ever_ play normal sounds, or has it
only ever done error (and boot-up) beeps?
--
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