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SP3 DESTROYED MY COMPUTER!
I have a WINDOWS XP PRO computer I built in the spring 2003. It had a
motherboard failure once about 30 days after switching it on, I ditched the original AOPEN motherboard for a used OEM Gateway Intel D850 early version with a 1.8 Pentium 4 which I liked a lot so I then upgraded to a brand new D850EMV2 which at that time was a really good board with just over 1 GIG of 1033 Rambus and a Pentium 4 2.4 chip. This computer setup ran error free from late 2003 until about three weeks ago when SP3 got installed through Windows Update. No problems before SP3 ever. Great machine. Since then, nothing and I mean but trouble. First my TrendMicro would not do a virus scan all the way through. I thought hmmm. But that was only the beginning. Then I started getting BSOD errors. Never had them before. Tried a system restore. Still got BSOD errors. The computer seemed slower than usual like it was bogged down. Checking Task Manager I could not find anything running using processor or memory to account for the sluggishness, but it was behaving just like it was out of resources including freezing and sometimes no cursor. I next tried a REPAIR which it won't complete as it gives errors in repair and won't finish. It gets about 92% of the way through the repair and then gives an error. I next tried deleting the file that was causing the TrendMicro scan issue and now it won't boot. It apparently was the IDE driver and now the drive won't start. Now it won't boot at all, the splash screen loads and then it goes right to BSOD. The error says it can't find the drive. This sucks. I have a friend whose machine does pretty much the same thing except theirs just boots over and over all by itself. Some of this is my fault. But not all. I give up! Funny that a machine that ran flawlessly for over 4 years got trashed by SP3. Unlike many of the reports mine is a Pentium 4, which was a pretty good machine at the time I built it...and ran great until SP3. It was a very usable and stable machine. I have backups on most of my documents. But when I think of all the time and money it is going to take to get this thing working again I want to scream. Worst part of all this is that even if I could get XP to reinstall (which I can't because I already tried that) I don't have ANY MORE XP PRO installs left on my license anyway. You only get three installs and since I've changed boards twice already I don't have any more installs left. So I'm torn between spending a couple of hundred for a new hard drive and a new XP license or just giving up on MS completely and buying a Mac. Now the machine won't boot at all yielding a BSOD all the time. It won't run the Repair all the way through saying there is a DLL error. It won't boot at all. It can't even find the drive apparently. Thanks Microsoft. I'm really upset about this. Really, REALLY. |
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Regarding "...You only get three installs ...." - not so! Install XP and use
"voice" phone reactivation. "brotherdave" wrote in message ... I have a WINDOWS XP PRO computer I built in the spring 2003. It had a motherboard failure once about 30 days after switching it on, I ditched the original AOPEN motherboard for a used OEM Gateway Intel D850 early version with a 1.8 Pentium 4 which I liked a lot so I then upgraded to a brand new D850EMV2 which at that time was a really good board with just over 1 GIG of 1033 Rambus and a Pentium 4 2.4 chip. This computer setup ran error free from late 2003 until about three weeks ago when SP3 got installed through Windows Update. No problems before SP3 ever. Great machine. Since then, nothing and I mean but trouble. First my TrendMicro would not do a virus scan all the way through. I thought hmmm. But that was only the beginning. Then I started getting BSOD errors. Never had them before. Tried a system restore. Still got BSOD errors. The computer seemed slower than usual like it was bogged down. Checking Task Manager I could not find anything running using processor or memory to account for the sluggishness, but it was behaving just like it was out of resources including freezing and sometimes no cursor. I next tried a REPAIR which it won't complete as it gives errors in repair and won't finish. It gets about 92% of the way through the repair and then gives an error. I next tried deleting the file that was causing the TrendMicro scan issue and now it won't boot. It apparently was the IDE driver and now the drive won't start. Now it won't boot at all, the splash screen loads and then it goes right to BSOD. The error says it can't find the drive. This sucks. I have a friend whose machine does pretty much the same thing except theirs just boots over and over all by itself. Some of this is my fault. But not all. I give up! Funny that a machine that ran flawlessly for over 4 years got trashed by SP3. Unlike many of the reports mine is a Pentium 4, which was a pretty good machine at the time I built it...and ran great until SP3. It was a very usable and stable machine. I have backups on most of my documents. But when I think of all the time and money it is going to take to get this thing working again I want to scream. Worst part of all this is that even if I could get XP to reinstall (which I can't because I already tried that) I don't have ANY MORE XP PRO installs left on my license anyway. You only get three installs and since I've changed boards twice already I don't have any more installs left. So I'm torn between spending a couple of hundred for a new hard drive and a new XP license or just giving up on MS completely and buying a Mac. Now the machine won't boot at all yielding a BSOD all the time. It won't run the Repair all the way through saying there is a DLL error. It won't boot at all. It can't even find the drive apparently. Thanks Microsoft. I'm really upset about this. Really, REALLY. |
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SP3 DESTROYED MY COMPUTER!
brotherdave wrote:
I have a WINDOWS XP PRO computer I built in the spring 2003. It had a motherboard failure once about 30 days after switching it on, I ditched the original AOPEN motherboard for a used OEM Gateway Intel D850 early version with a 1.8 Pentium 4 which I liked a lot so I then upgraded to a brand new D850EMV2 which at that time was a really good board with just over 1 GIG of 1033 Rambus and a Pentium 4 2.4 chip. This computer setup ran error free from late 2003 until about three weeks ago when SP3 got installed through Windows Update. No problems before SP3 ever. Great machine. Since then, nothing and I mean but trouble. First my TrendMicro would not do a virus scan all the way through. I thought hmmm. But that was only the beginning. Then I started getting BSOD errors. Never had them before. Tried a system restore. Still got BSOD errors. The computer seemed slower than usual like it was bogged down. Checking Task Manager I could not find anything running using processor or memory to account for the sluggishness, but it was behaving just like it was out of resources including freezing and sometimes no cursor. I next tried a REPAIR which it won't complete as it gives errors in repair and won't finish. It gets about 92% of the way through the repair and then gives an error. I next tried deleting the file that was causing the TrendMicro scan issue and now it won't boot. It apparently was the IDE driver and now the drive won't start. Now it won't boot at all, the splash screen loads and then it goes right to BSOD. The error says it can't find the drive. This sucks. I have a friend whose machine does pretty much the same thing except theirs just boots over and over all by itself. Some of this is my fault. But not all. I give up! Funny that a machine that ran flawlessly for over 4 years got trashed by SP3. Unlike many of the reports mine is a Pentium 4, which was a pretty good machine at the time I built it...and ran great until SP3. It was a very usable and stable machine. I have backups on most of my documents. But when I think of all the time and money it is going to take to get this thing working again I want to scream. Worst part of all this is that even if I could get XP to reinstall (which I can't because I already tried that) I don't have ANY MORE XP PRO installs left on my license anyway. You only get three installs and since I've changed boards twice already I don't have any more installs left. So I'm torn between spending a couple of hundred for a new hard drive and a new XP license or just giving up on MS completely and buying a Mac. Now the machine won't boot at all yielding a BSOD all the time. It won't run the Repair all the way through saying there is a DLL error. It won't boot at all. It can't even find the drive apparently. Thanks Microsoft. I'm really upset about this. Really, REALLY. Did you prepare for the 1174+ updates that were all going to be installed at once - or just go for it and hope for the best? A place to get FREE support for SP3 installation issues *from Microsoft*... http://support.microsoft.com/oas/def...3&gprid=522131 WinXP SP3 - Read all prerequisites for a successful installation http://msmvps.com/blogs/harrywaldron...tallation.aspx Steps to take before you install Windows XP Service Pack 3 http://support.microsoft.com/kb/950717 Release Notes for Windows XP Service Pack 3 http://download.microsoft.com/downlo...1/relnotes.htm Key things to note: Internet Explorer: "If you have installed Windows Internet Explorer® 7 or a beta version of Internet Explorer 8, and then install Windows XP SP3, you cannot uninstall Internet Explorer. To avoid this, ensure Internet Explorer 7 or a beta version of Internet Explorer 8 is not installed before installing Windows XP SP3. If you have already encountered this issue, uninstall Windows XP SP3, uninstall Internet Explorer, and then reinstall Windows XP SP3." Windows XP Media Center Edition 2002: "If you install Windows XP SP3 on a computer running Windows XP Media Center Edition 2002 with SP1, Windows XP Media Center Edition may malfunction. To avoid this, install Windows XP SP2 before you install Windows XP SP3. If this issue has already occurred, uninstall Windows XP SP3, install Windows XP SP2, and then reinstall Windows XP SP3." It seems some people are unable to get further updates after installing SP3... Seems some have experienced a symptom similar to doing a repair installation on Windows XP - and the same fix seems to work for them for that... Updates are not installed successfully from Windows Update, from Microsoft Update, or by using Automatic Updates after you repair a Windows XP installation http://support.microsoft.com/kb/943144 Some people experience an "endless reboot" issue... From PA Bear [MS MVP]: Workarounds: http://msinfluentials.com/blogs/jesp...ng-xp-sp3.aspx [NB: The above has been updated many times and now includes "a small tool that will detect the IntelPPM problem and mitigate it before installing [WinXP SP3]." 1. Boot into Safe Mode and rename INTELPMM.SYS to INTELPMM.OLD. 2. After booting into Safe Mode: Start -- Run -- (copy/paste) sc config intelppm start= disabled -- OK -- Reboot into normal (Windows) mode. Other references include: .. http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?p=187790#p187790 .. http://msinfluentials.com/blogs/jesp...ng-xp-sp3.aspx .. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05...boots_crashes/ .. http://www.computerworld.com/action/...leId=9084 418 .. You receive a "Stop 0x0000007E" error message after you upgrade to Windows XP Service Pack 2 or Service Pack 3 on a non-Intel-processor-based computer (Revised 06 May-08) http://support.microsoft.com/kb/888372 Good luck! -- Shenan Stanley MS-MVP -- How To Ask Questions The Smart Way http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
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brotherdave wrote:
snipped Worst part of all this is that even if I could get XP to reinstall (which I can't because I already tried that) I don't have ANY MORE XP PRO installs left on my license anyway. You only get three installs and since I've changed boards twice already I don't have any more installs left. So I'm torn between spending a couple of hundred for a new hard drive and a new XP license or just giving up on MS completely and buying a Mac. snipped BTW - that is a common fantasy. You do not only have 3 installs - you have unlimited installs. If you get a message about not being able to activate because it was used too much or whatever - ignore and choose to activate by telephone. Call the toll-free number, give the information requested and activate your copy. However - from what I can tell - you might need a repair installation. How to Perform a Windows XP Repair Install http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm How to perform an in-place upgrade (reinstallation) of Windows XP http://support.microsoft.com/kb/315341 (You also may want to download and utilize the hard disk drive manufacturer's disk diagnostics utility to test your hard disk drive for errors.) -- Shenan Stanley MS-MVP -- How To Ask Questions The Smart Way http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
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"Shenan Stanley" wrote: Did you prepare for the 1174+ updates that were all going to be installed at once - or just go for it and hope for the best? I backed all my documents up to an old windows 98 machine...and then I hoped for the best. I never had any problems with SP1 or SP2. So I had no reason to expect any with SP3. I also was unaware of lots of the things I've since read as they were not publicized. I thought my machine was the only one trashed but I'm finding out it wasn't. I did have IE7 installed. I normally would not run Beta of any software. Otherwise I know of no reason why this happened. Thanks for all the "useful" links. I appreciate your time. Dave |
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I already tried a repair install last week. It failed about 91% through.
Failed to remove SP1, Failed to remove SP2, Failed to remove SP3. Regards, Dave "Shenan Stanley" wrote: brotherdave wrote: snipped Worst part of all this is that even if I could get XP to reinstall (which I can't because I already tried that) I don't have ANY MORE XP PRO installs left on my license anyway. You only get three installs and since I've changed boards twice already I don't have any more installs left. So I'm torn between spending a couple of hundred for a new hard drive and a new XP license or just giving up on MS completely and buying a Mac. snipped BTW - that is a common fantasy. You do not only have 3 installs - you have unlimited installs. If you get a message about not being able to activate because it was used too much or whatever - ignore and choose to activate by telephone. Call the toll-free number, give the information requested and activate your copy. However - from what I can tell - you might need a repair installation. How to Perform a Windows XP Repair Install http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm How to perform an in-place upgrade (reinstallation) of Windows XP http://support.microsoft.com/kb/315341 (You also may want to download and utilize the hard disk drive manufacturer's disk diagnostics utility to test your hard disk drive for errors.) -- Shenan Stanley MS-MVP -- How To Ask Questions The Smart Way http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
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On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 13:31:01 -0700, brotherdave
wrote: Worst part of all this is that even if I could get XP to reinstall (which I can't because I already tried that) I don't have ANY MORE XP PRO installs left on my license anyway. You only get three installs and since I've changed boards twice already I don't have any more installs left. Completely false. I don't where you got that misinformation, but you can reinstall Windows XP as often as you need or want to. Worst case, you may have to activate by a voice phone call to an 800 number, but that's quick and easy--normally under five minutes. -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience Please Reply to the Newsgroup |
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What are the Stop Error messages? Please post copies. All you clean
installs could be pointless until you have a better idea of what is actually the problem! Disable automatic restart on system failure. This should help by allowing time to write down the STOP code properly. Right click on the My Computer icon on the Desktop and select Properties, Advanced, Start-Up and Recovery, System Failure and uncheck box before Automatically Restart. Do not re-enable automatic restart on system failure until you have resolved the problem. Check for variants of the Stop Error message. An alternative is to keep pressing the F8 key during Start-Up and select option - Disable automatic restart on system failure. If you are using a wireless keyboard and the F8 key does not work substitute a wired keyboard and mouse for this exercise only. -- Hope this helps. Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ brotherdave wrote: I have a WINDOWS XP PRO computer I built in the spring 2003. It had a motherboard failure once about 30 days after switching it on, I ditched the original AOPEN motherboard for a used OEM Gateway Intel D850 early version with a 1.8 Pentium 4 which I liked a lot so I then upgraded to a brand new D850EMV2 which at that time was a really good board with just over 1 GIG of 1033 Rambus and a Pentium 4 2.4 chip. This computer setup ran error free from late 2003 until about three weeks ago when SP3 got installed through Windows Update. No problems before SP3 ever. Great machine. Since then, nothing and I mean but trouble. First my TrendMicro would not do a virus scan all the way through. I thought hmmm. But that was only the beginning. Then I started getting BSOD errors. Never had them before. Tried a system restore. Still got BSOD errors. The computer seemed slower than usual like it was bogged down. Checking Task Manager I could not find anything running using processor or memory to account for the sluggishness, but it was behaving just like it was out of resources including freezing and sometimes no cursor. I next tried a REPAIR which it won't complete as it gives errors in repair and won't finish. It gets about 92% of the way through the repair and then gives an error. I next tried deleting the file that was causing the TrendMicro scan issue and now it won't boot. It apparently was the IDE driver and now the drive won't start. Now it won't boot at all, the splash screen loads and then it goes right to BSOD. The error says it can't find the drive. This sucks. I have a friend whose machine does pretty much the same thing except theirs just boots over and over all by itself. Some of this is my fault. But not all. I give up! Funny that a machine that ran flawlessly for over 4 years got trashed by SP3. Unlike many of the reports mine is a Pentium 4, which was a pretty good machine at the time I built it...and ran great until SP3. It was a very usable and stable machine. I have backups on most of my documents. But when I think of all the time and money it is going to take to get this thing working again I want to scream. Worst part of all this is that even if I could get XP to reinstall (which I can't because I already tried that) I don't have ANY MORE XP PRO installs left on my license anyway. You only get three installs and since I've changed boards twice already I don't have any more installs left. So I'm torn between spending a couple of hundred for a new hard drive and a new XP license or just giving up on MS completely and buying a Mac. Now the machine won't boot at all yielding a BSOD all the time. It won't run the Repair all the way through saying there is a DLL error. It won't boot at all. It can't even find the drive apparently. Thanks Microsoft. I'm really upset about this. Really, REALLY. |
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"Leythos" wrote in message
. .. SP3 is an OPTION, it's not mandatory and should be avoided except for testing. You make it sound like it's still in beta! With some prep (Shenan's posts cover all the bases), insalling SP3 shouldn't be any problem at all. |
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Hi,
I tried repair console. Automated System Recovery too. Would get to like 91% and then BSOD. What I wound up doing was making a slipstream disc with my original 5.0 XP and SP3, installing a brand new drive and installing the slipstream disc onto the brand new drive. No issues so far other than my finding out that TrendMicro won't activate. They want me to buy a new license of course. I'll contact them and see if we can work something out. So I'm pretty convinced something went wrong. Most likely the fact I didn't turn off my anti-virus was the hitch. Once I get all my old data off the old C drive I'll reformat it and give it a scan to see if it has bad sectors or anything. Thanks, Dave "Leythos" wrote: In article , says... Worst part of all this is that even if I could get XP to reinstall (which I can't because I already tried that) I don't have ANY MORE XP PRO installs left on my license anyway. You only get three installs and since I've changed boards twice already I don't have any more installs left. So I'm torn between spending a couple of hundred for a new hard drive and a new XP license or just giving up on MS completely and buying a Mac. Now the machine won't boot at all yielding a BSOD all the time. It won't run the Repair all the way through saying there is a DLL error. It won't boot at all. It can't even find the drive apparently. Thanks Microsoft. I'm really upset about this. Really, REALLY. Windows Update does not force SP3 on you, so it was a choice, as is with any update, it's bad to install it until it's been around a long time and tested on enough computers that you can be sure it's not going to cause you any issues. As for no-more-installs, BS, you have as many installs as you want, hundreds, as long as it's to the same machine, you can always activate by phone telling the person that you screwed up the machine by installing SP3. SP3 is an OPTION, it's not mandatory and should be avoided except for testing. My experience with SP3 indicates you had some other problem that was exposed/made worse by SP3. You can do a repair-reinstall and save most of your settings. -- - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist" (remove 999 for proper email address) |
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Dave
At no point do you appear to have any detailed information concerning any BSOD that appeared. Ignoring useful information does make troubleshooting more difficult. It could be Trend that was causing the problem. How do you know whether it is sensible to restore Trend if you have not done approriate investigation? -- Hope this helps. Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ brotherdave wrote: Hi, I tried repair console. Automated System Recovery too. Would get to like 91% and then BSOD. What I wound up doing was making a slipstream disc with my original 5.0 XP and SP3, installing a brand new drive and installing the slipstream disc onto the brand new drive. No issues so far other than my finding out that TrendMicro won't activate. They want me to buy a new license of course. I'll contact them and see if we can work something out. So I'm pretty convinced something went wrong. Most likely the fact I didn't turn off my anti-virus was the hitch. Once I get all my old data off the old C drive I'll reformat it and give it a scan to see if it has bad sectors or anything. Thanks, Dave "Leythos" wrote: In article , says... Worst part of all this is that even if I could get XP to reinstall (which I can't because I already tried that) I don't have ANY MORE XP PRO installs left on my license anyway. You only get three installs and since I've changed boards twice already I don't have any more installs left. So I'm torn between spending a couple of hundred for a new hard drive and a new XP license or just giving up on MS completely and buying a Mac. Now the machine won't boot at all yielding a BSOD all the time. It won't run the Repair all the way through saying there is a DLL error. It won't boot at all. It can't even find the drive apparently. Thanks Microsoft. I'm really upset about this. Really, REALLY. Windows Update does not force SP3 on you, so it was a choice, as is with any update, it's bad to install it until it's been around a long time and tested on enough computers that you can be sure it's not going to cause you any issues. As for no-more-installs, BS, you have as many installs as you want, hundreds, as long as it's to the same machine, you can always activate by phone telling the person that you screwed up the machine by installing SP3. SP3 is an OPTION, it's not mandatory and should be avoided except for testing. My experience with SP3 indicates you had some other problem that was exposed/made worse by SP3. You can do a repair-reinstall and save most of your settings. -- - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist" (remove 999 for proper email address) |
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