2-hour hibernate failure

Shenan Stanley wrote:
William B. Lurie wrote:
This is a new thread. See old stuff for history.

Does everyone realize that at this point in the troubleshooting procedure -
if time is money (and for many people it is) and even if it is not a *lot*
of money (let's go with $1.00 / hour - U.S.) that this problem has gone on
long enough now to afford a replacement computer with likely more CPU power,
more hard drive space and a better video device without all the current
trouble by now, eh? ;-)

I mean - really - this computer could be defective.

Just throwing that out there... *grin*

You are 99-44/100 percent right, but the other 0.56% is the
spirit of the scientist who wants to know *why*. I would be
willing to drop the issue any time John wants to throw in
the towel, and I will thank him a thousand-fold for his
invaluable assistance, perseverance, and resourcefulness.

Meanwhile, we are quite close to the solution, as my posting later
this morning will indicate. Getting the Network thing and also
the ever-intrusive Norton background scans out of the way has
given me, overnight, two runs which ran two hours before going
into hibernation.

Shenan Stanley wrote:
William B. Lurie wrote:
This is a new thread. See old stuff for history.

Does everyone realize that at this point in the troubleshooting procedure -
if time is money (and for many people it is) and even if it is not a *lot*
of money (let's go with $1.00 / hour - U.S.) that this problem has gone on
long enough now to afford a replacement computer with likely more CPU power,
more hard drive space and a better video device without all the current
trouble by now, eh? ;-)

I mean - really - this computer could be defective.

Just throwing that out there... *grin*

You are 99-44/100 percent right, but the other 0.56% is the
spirit of the scientist who wants to know *why*. I would be
willing to drop the issue any time John wants to throw in
the towel, and I will thank him a thousand-fold for his
invaluable assistance, perseverance, and resourcefulness.

Meanwhile, we are quite close to the solution, as my posting later
this morning will indicate. Getting the Network thing and also
the ever-intrusive Norton background scans out of the way has
given me, overnight, two runs which ran two hours before going
into hibernation.

William B. Lurie wrote:
Shenan Stanley wrote:
William B. Lurie wrote:
This is a new thread. See old stuff for history.

Does everyone realize that at this point in the troubleshooting
procedure - if time is money (and for many people it is) and even if
it is not a *lot* of money (let's go with $1.00 / hour - U.S.) that
this problem has gone on long enough now to afford a replacement
computer with likely more CPU power, more hard drive space and a
better video device without all the current trouble by now, eh? ;-)

I mean - really - this computer could be defective.

Just throwing that out there... *grin*

You are 99-44/100 percent right, but the other 0.56% is the
spirit of the scientist who wants to know *why*. I would be
willing to drop the issue any time John wants to throw in
the towel, and I will thank him a thousand-fold for his
invaluable assistance, perseverance, and resourcefulness.

Meanwhile, we are quite close to the solution, as my posting later
this morning will indicate. Getting the Network thing and also
the ever-intrusive Norton background scans out of the way has
given me, overnight, two runs which ran two hours before going
into hibernation.

To make the successful runs on my Clone system, John, I did
not do Clean Boot, but I Disabled the Networks Connection from Control
Panel, and turned off all Norton Anti Virus (disconnecting from
the line, of course). Oh, I unplugged printer and camera but I
don't expect that is pertinent. I'll see to the Norton part, but
what's your take on the 'Networks Connection' thing? Isn't that
vital to communicating with he web?

William B. Lurie wrote:
Shenan Stanley wrote:
William B. Lurie wrote:
This is a new thread. See old stuff for history.

Does everyone realize that at this point in the troubleshooting
procedure - if time is money (and for many people it is) and even if
it is not a *lot* of money (let's go with $1.00 / hour - U.S.) that
this problem has gone on long enough now to afford a replacement
computer with likely more CPU power, more hard drive space and a
better video device without all the current trouble by now, eh? ;-)

I mean - really - this computer could be defective.

Just throwing that out there... *grin*

You are 99-44/100 percent right, but the other 0.56% is the
spirit of the scientist who wants to know *why*. I would be
willing to drop the issue any time John wants to throw in
the towel, and I will thank him a thousand-fold for his
invaluable assistance, perseverance, and resourcefulness.

Meanwhile, we are quite close to the solution, as my posting later
this morning will indicate. Getting the Network thing and also
the ever-intrusive Norton background scans out of the way has
given me, overnight, two runs which ran two hours before going
into hibernation.

To make the successful runs on my Clone system, John, I did
not do Clean Boot, but I Disabled the Networks Connection from Control
Panel, and turned off all Norton Anti Virus (disconnecting from
the line, of course). Oh, I unplugged printer and camera but I
don't expect that is pertinent. I'll see to the Norton part, but
what's your take on the 'Networks Connection' thing? Isn't that
vital to communicating with he web?

William B. Lurie wrote:
William B. Lurie wrote:
Shenan Stanley wrote:
William B. Lurie wrote:
This is a new thread. See old stuff for history.

Does everyone realize that at this point in the troubleshooting
procedure - if time is money (and for many people it is) and even if
it is not a *lot* of money (let's go with $1.00 / hour - U.S.) that
this problem has gone on long enough now to afford a replacement
computer with likely more CPU power, more hard drive space and a
better video device without all the current trouble by now, eh? ;-)

I mean - really - this computer could be defective.

Just throwing that out there... *grin*

You are 99-44/100 percent right, but the other 0.56% is the
spirit of the scientist who wants to know *why*. I would be
willing to drop the issue any time John wants to throw in
the towel, and I will thank him a thousand-fold for his
invaluable assistance, perseverance, and resourcefulness.

Meanwhile, we are quite close to the solution, as my posting later
this morning will indicate. Getting the Network thing and also
the ever-intrusive Norton background scans out of the way has
given me, overnight, two runs which ran two hours before going
into hibernation.

To make the successful runs on my Clone system, John, I did
not do Clean Boot, but I Disabled the Networks Connection from Control
Panel, and turned off all Norton Anti Virus (disconnecting from
the line, of course). Oh, I unplugged printer and camera but I
don't expect that is pertinent. I'll see to the Norton part, but
what's your take on the 'Networks Connection' thing? Isn't that
vital to communicating with he web?

Yes, the web is a network and all your network traffic flows through
your network adapter, without it you will not be able to get on the web.

So what happens if you keep all your Norton stuff turned off and enable
the adapter?

Also make sure that power saving is not enabled on the adapter. Right
click on the network adapter and select "Properties" then click on the
"Configure" button for the adapter then click on the "Power Management"
tab and make sure that the "Allow the computer to turn off this device
to save power" is *not* selected.

John

William B. Lurie wrote:
William B. Lurie wrote:
Shenan Stanley wrote:
William B. Lurie wrote:
This is a new thread. See old stuff for history.

Does everyone realize that at this point in the troubleshooting
procedure - if time is money (and for many people it is) and even if
it is not a *lot* of money (let's go with $1.00 / hour - U.S.) that
this problem has gone on long enough now to afford a replacement
computer with likely more CPU power, more hard drive space and a
better video device without all the current trouble by now, eh? ;-)

I mean - really - this computer could be defective.

Just throwing that out there... *grin*

You are 99-44/100 percent right, but the other 0.56% is the
spirit of the scientist who wants to know *why*. I would be
willing to drop the issue any time John wants to throw in
the towel, and I will thank him a thousand-fold for his
invaluable assistance, perseverance, and resourcefulness.

Meanwhile, we are quite close to the solution, as my posting later
this morning will indicate. Getting the Network thing and also
the ever-intrusive Norton background scans out of the way has
given me, overnight, two runs which ran two hours before going
into hibernation.

To make the successful runs on my Clone system, John, I did
not do Clean Boot, but I Disabled the Networks Connection from Control
Panel, and turned off all Norton Anti Virus (disconnecting from
the line, of course). Oh, I unplugged printer and camera but I
don't expect that is pertinent. I'll see to the Norton part, but
what's your take on the 'Networks Connection' thing? Isn't that
vital to communicating with he web?

Yes, the web is a network and all your network traffic flows through
your network adapter, without it you will not be able to get on the web.

So what happens if you keep all your Norton stuff turned off and enable
the adapter?

Also make sure that power saving is not enabled on the adapter. Right
click on the network adapter and select "Properties" then click on the
"Configure" button for the adapter then click on the "Power Management"
tab and make sure that the "Allow the computer to turn off this device
to save power" is *not* selected.

John

John John - MVP wrote:
William B. Lurie wrote:
William B. Lurie wrote:
Shenan Stanley wrote:
William B. Lurie wrote:
This is a new thread. See old stuff for history.

Does everyone realize that at this point in the troubleshooting
procedure - if time is money (and for many people it is) and even if
it is not a *lot* of money (let's go with $1.00 / hour - U.S.) that
this problem has gone on long enough now to afford a replacement
computer with likely more CPU power, more hard drive space and a
better video device without all the current trouble by now, eh? ;-)

I mean - really - this computer could be defective.

Just throwing that out there... *grin*

You are 99-44/100 percent right, but the other 0.56% is the
spirit of the scientist who wants to know *why*. I would be
willing to drop the issue any time John wants to throw in
the towel, and I will thank him a thousand-fold for his
invaluable assistance, perseverance, and resourcefulness.

Meanwhile, we are quite close to the solution, as my posting later
this morning will indicate. Getting the Network thing and also
the ever-intrusive Norton background scans out of the way has
given me, overnight, two runs which ran two hours before going
into hibernation.

To make the successful runs on my Clone system, John, I did
not do Clean Boot, but I Disabled the Networks Connection from Control
Panel, and turned off all Norton Anti Virus (disconnecting from
the line, of course). Oh, I unplugged printer and camera but I
don't expect that is pertinent. I'll see to the Norton part, but
what's your take on the 'Networks Connection' thing? Isn't that
vital to communicating with he web?

Yes, the web is a network and all your network traffic flows through
your network adapter, without it you will not be able to get on the web.

So what happens if you keep all your Norton stuff turned off and enable
the adapter?

Also make sure that power saving is not enabled on the adapter. Right
click on the network adapter and select "Properties" then click on the
"Configure" button for the adapter then click on the "Power Management"
tab and make sure that the "Allow the computer to turn off this device
to save power" is *not* selected.

John
That will be my next step, this morning, and thank you, John.

John John - MVP wrote:
William B. Lurie wrote:
William B. Lurie wrote:
Shenan Stanley wrote:
William B. Lurie wrote:
This is a new thread. See old stuff for history.

Does everyone realize that at this point in the troubleshooting
procedure - if time is money (and for many people it is) and even if
it is not a *lot* of money (let's go with $1.00 / hour - U.S.) that
this problem has gone on long enough now to afford a replacement
computer with likely more CPU power, more hard drive space and a
better video device without all the current trouble by now, eh? ;-)

I mean - really - this computer could be defective.

Just throwing that out there... *grin*

You are 99-44/100 percent right, but the other 0.56% is the
spirit of the scientist who wants to know *why*. I would be
willing to drop the issue any time John wants to throw in
the towel, and I will thank him a thousand-fold for his
invaluable assistance, perseverance, and resourcefulness.

Meanwhile, we are quite close to the solution, as my posting later
this morning will indicate. Getting the Network thing and also
the ever-intrusive Norton background scans out of the way has
given me, overnight, two runs which ran two hours before going
into hibernation.

To make the successful runs on my Clone system, John, I did
not do Clean Boot, but I Disabled the Networks Connection from Control
Panel, and turned off all Norton Anti Virus (disconnecting from
the line, of course). Oh, I unplugged printer and camera but I
don't expect that is pertinent. I'll see to the Norton part, but
what's your take on the 'Networks Connection' thing? Isn't that
vital to communicating with he web?

Yes, the web is a network and all your network traffic flows through
your network adapter, without it you will not be able to get on the web.

So what happens if you keep all your Norton stuff turned off and enable
the adapter?

Also make sure that power saving is not enabled on the adapter. Right
click on the network adapter and select "Properties" then click on the
"Configure" button for the adapter then click on the "Power Management"
tab and make sure that the "Allow the computer to turn off this device
to save power" is *not* selected.

John
That will be my next step, this morning, and thank you, John.

You give up too easily.
"Shenan Stanley" wrote in message
...
William B. Lurie wrote:
This is a new thread. See old stuff for history.

Does everyone realize that at this point in the troubleshooting
procedure - if time is money (and for many people it is) and even if it is
not a *lot* of money (let's go with $1.00 / hour - U.S.) that this problem
has gone on long enough now to afford a replacement computer with likely
more CPU power, more hard drive space and a better video device without
all the current trouble by now, eh? ;-)

I mean - really - this computer could be defective.

Just throwing that out there... *grin*

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

You give up too easily.
"Shenan Stanley" wrote in message
...
William B. Lurie wrote:
This is a new thread. See old stuff for history.

Does everyone realize that at this point in the troubleshooting
procedure - if time is money (and for many people it is) and even if it is
not a *lot* of money (let's go with $1.00 / hour - U.S.) that this problem
has gone on long enough now to afford a replacement computer with likely
more CPU power, more hard drive space and a better video device without
all the current trouble by now, eh? ;-)

I mean - really - this computer could be defective.

Just throwing that out there... *grin*

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

This last set of comments comes at a funny time, namely, I believe
we have just solved the problem. First on my clone, and now on my
Master drive, I got the system to hibernate at two hours by making
what I believe are *only* two changes.

First, Network Connections.....Power Options....
Do *not* allow it to turnoff device.........

Second, in Norton Anti-Virus, set it for 'Silent Mode'
(whatever that means) and set its 'Idle Time Scan' for the
maximum it allows, namely six hours.

It has hibernated at 2 hours twice so far, and I intend to give it
more opportunities........

But that Norton 'feature' to me is something I'm going to complain
to them about. If I don't want it to scan except when I want it to,
I should have that privilege! They really do too many things that
way...you know, the 'Big Brother knows best' syndrome.

Unknown wrote:
You give up too easily.
"Shenan Stanley" wrote in message
...
William B. Lurie wrote:
This is a new thread. See old stuff for history.
Does everyone realize that at this point in the troubleshooting
procedure - if time is money (and for many people it is) and even if it is
not a *lot* of money (let's go with $1.00 / hour - U.S.) that this problem
has gone on long enough now to afford a replacement computer with likely
more CPU power, more hard drive space and a better video device without
all the current trouble by now, eh? ;-)

I mean - really - this computer could be defective.

Just throwing that out there... *grin*

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

This last set of comments comes at a funny time, namely, I believe
we have just solved the problem. First on my clone, and now on my
Master drive, I got the system to hibernate at two hours by making
what I believe are *only* two changes.

First, Network Connections.....Power Options....
Do *not* allow it to turnoff device.........

Second, in Norton Anti-Virus, set it for 'Silent Mode'
(whatever that means) and set its 'Idle Time Scan' for the
maximum it allows, namely six hours.

It has hibernated at 2 hours twice so far, and I intend to give it
more opportunities........

But that Norton 'feature' to me is something I'm going to complain
to them about. If I don't want it to scan except when I want it to,
I should have that privilege! They really do too many things that
way...you know, the 'Big Brother knows best' syndrome.

Unknown wrote:
You give up too easily.
"Shenan Stanley" wrote in message
...
William B. Lurie wrote:
This is a new thread. See old stuff for history.
Does everyone realize that at this point in the troubleshooting
procedure - if time is money (and for many people it is) and even if it is
not a *lot* of money (let's go with $1.00 / hour - U.S.) that this problem
has gone on long enough now to afford a replacement computer with likely
more CPU power, more hard drive space and a better video device without
all the current trouble by now, eh? ;-)

I mean - really - this computer could be defective.

Just throwing that out there... *grin*

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

Probably only one? Norton Idle Time Scan. Guessed it was Norton from the
beginning.
Great you found it.
"William B. Lurie" wrote in message
...
This last set of comments comes at a funny time, namely, I believe
we have just solved the problem. First on my clone, and now on my
Master drive, I got the system to hibernate at two hours by making
what I believe are *only* two changes.

First, Network Connections.....Power Options....
Do *not* allow it to turnoff device.........

Second, in Norton Anti-Virus, set it for 'Silent Mode'
(whatever that means) and set its 'Idle Time Scan' for the
maximum it allows, namely six hours.

It has hibernated at 2 hours twice so far, and I intend to give it
more opportunities........

But that Norton 'feature' to me is something I'm going to complain
to them about. If I don't want it to scan except when I want it to,
I should have that privilege! They really do too many things that
way...you know, the 'Big Brother knows best' syndrome.

Unknown wrote:
You give up too easily.
"Shenan Stanley" wrote in message
...
William B. Lurie wrote:
This is a new thread. See old stuff for history.
Does everyone realize that at this point in the troubleshooting
procedure - if time is money (and for many people it is) and even if it
is not a *lot* of money (let's go with $1.00 / hour - U.S.) that this
problem has gone on long enough now to afford a replacement computer
with likely more CPU power, more hard drive space and a better video
device without all the current trouble by now, eh? ;-)

I mean - really - this computer could be defective.

Just throwing that out there... *grin*

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

Probably only one? Norton Idle Time Scan. Guessed it was Norton from the
beginning.
Great you found it.
"William B. Lurie" wrote in message
...
This last set of comments comes at a funny time, namely, I believe
we have just solved the problem. First on my clone, and now on my
Master drive, I got the system to hibernate at two hours by making
what I believe are *only* two changes.

First, Network Connections.....Power Options....
Do *not* allow it to turnoff device.........

Second, in Norton Anti-Virus, set it for 'Silent Mode'
(whatever that means) and set its 'Idle Time Scan' for the
maximum it allows, namely six hours.

It has hibernated at 2 hours twice so far, and I intend to give it
more opportunities........

But that Norton 'feature' to me is something I'm going to complain
to them about. If I don't want it to scan except when I want it to,
I should have that privilege! They really do too many things that
way...you know, the 'Big Brother knows best' syndrome.

Unknown wrote:
You give up too easily.
"Shenan Stanley" wrote in message
...
William B. Lurie wrote:
This is a new thread. See old stuff for history.
Does everyone realize that at this point in the troubleshooting
procedure - if time is money (and for many people it is) and even if it
is not a *lot* of money (let's go with $1.00 / hour - U.S.) that this
problem has gone on long enough now to afford a replacement computer
with likely more CPU power, more hard drive space and a better video
device without all the current trouble by now, eh? ;-)

I mean - really - this computer could be defective.

Just throwing that out there... *grin*

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

John John - MVP wrote:

Yes, the web is a network and all your network traffic flows through
your network adapter, without it you will not be able to get on the web.

So what happens if you keep all your Norton stuff turned off and enable
the adapter?

Also make sure that power saving is not enabled on the adapter. Right
click on the network adapter and select "Properties" then click on the
"Configure" button for the adapter then click on the "Power Management"
tab and make sure that the "Allow the computer to turn off this device
to save power" is *not* selected.

John

In retrospect on this project, John, now that it's just about finished,
I hope we all learned something from it, including people who have
been watching silently.

I've thought about your early comments that there are a few dozen
'services' that are active but will never be used, and wondered if
it would speed things up to disable them. I could start with one
of the lists you created, but I'm more inclined to say we now have
it where it ain't broke, so I shouldn't fix it.

And just once mo Thank you for all your efforts.

Bill