Vista Is Bad But Linux Is Horrendous!!!!

Hadron Quark wrote:
Alias writes:

Hadron Quark wrote:
Alias writes:

Hadron Quark wrote:
Linux and "buy" do not go together. You should know that.
Um, you're wrong. Last I checked, hardware is not free and without
hardware, Linux is useless.

Alias
Who mentioned HW?
I obviously did because you obviously left that out.

I said "Linux and "buy" do not go together".
So, you're saying that Linux users don't buy hardware?

No. Why do you ask? But we are not talking about HW. We are talking
about Linux. And additional, "pay for" SW.

Um, you wrote and I quote:

"Linux and "buy" do not go together"

You did NOT say Linux and "buy software" do not go together.

Alias

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On Feb 25, 5:17Â*am, Stephan Rose wrote:
The problem with Linux is that while the postage may be free, the time
required to make Linux work is astronomical. Sure the Linux pundits
will cry "it works fine for me" and blame the user, but the internet
is chock full of Linux horror stories.

Astronomical?

I can have Kubuntu up and running on my machine with all my development
tools and a 3D Accelerated Desktop in probably less than 2 hours.

Key words 'development tools'

Yea it generally takes me 2-3 days to be fully operational under XP...


Now try the same thing with average Joe's desktop.

That is easy. Ubuntu comes pre-loaded with everything the average Joe needs.

Open Office
E-mail
Web browser
Newsgroup (which is already not so average Joe anymore) is a single mouse
click away as KNode isn't installed by default.
Instang messenger
Image editing
etc.

Why won't Quicken work?

It's a windows program? There are plenty and from what I hear faster and
more efficient alternatives that do work.

How come I can't play encrypted DVD's (time to go steal libdvdcss).
Assuming the user knows this, which he won't.

Hmmm did you ever try to play a DVD from another region under Windows? It's
impossible without 3rd party software. Doesn't matter under linux...

Why are my fonts horrible? (Time to go steal Microsoft ttfs) Assuming
the user knows this, which he won't.


Horrible? My fonts are just perfect and I didn't even have to go through any
special hoops to get support for Japanese characters working. I never
touched Microsofts ttfs...

Why can't I see my other Windows machines on the family network? (Time
to discover Samba. That should take about a month to sort out)

Better solution, eliminate windows on all machines. Hey...don't need Samba
anymore!


and so forth.

You are a geek.

I am a geek because I don't flip burgers for a living?

Geeks and Linux are a perfect combination.

Yea...astronomical..

Yes.

And note that I am not a hardcore life-long linux user. I didn't switch
until Microsoft released Vista...

Funny, you sure sound like one.
Development tools gave you away.

Yes I am a software developer for a living. Some of us prefer to make more
than minimum wage.

Next time tell them you run a library, the kind with books, or
something.

I see absolutely no reason to hide my profession. If you have a problem with
software developers then that ignorance is your personal problem and of no
concern with me. You should do something about that.




I've always wondered what "works for me" actually means when spoken by
a Linux zealot.
Does it mean the system boots?

Yes.

And......

What and? It boots. About a minute quicker than XP too.


Does it mean 640x480 on the screen?

Means 1600x1200 at 32bits per pixel fully 3D Accelerated with Beryl if I
want. All the features that Aero has and them some without the price of
screwing my machine up with vista. =)

If you say so, but a little googling shows a lot of problems in that
area with (k)ubuntu.
But you say it works for you so that means it must.

I am sitting here right now at 1600x1200 enjoying my 3D Accelerated Beryl
desktop....


Does it mean their Epson 9 pin printer works?

No clue, don't own one.

It was probably built before you were born.

When was I born? Please, do tell me.


Their Soundblaster 8 bit or Adlib card (remember those?) makes noise?

My Audigy works perfect including the 7.1 surround sound...

So they finally got that one working with Linux after about 2 years of
trying?

http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-18802.html

Does it work FULLY?
IOW everything that Windows is able to use on the card.

So far, I've not encountered anything that does not work on the card.

Btw, EAX does not work under Vista with DirectX...and that is confirmed
information from Creative Labs. So much for "Everything"...


Amazing.

Cue: "It's not Linux's fault that hardware manufacturers don't provide
specs for Linux programmers to write drivers:"

You were going to say that now weren't you?

Actually nope I was not.


Here's a clue: They don't provide specs for Windows programmers
either. They include the drivers for the current version of the OS in
the box.

nVidia and ATI both do the same for Linux.
My souncard is already automatically supported so I haven't even bothered
checking creative labs if they have linux drivers. No need to.
Hard drives and CD/DVD drives use common openly documented and standardized
protocols anyway and don't need special drivers.

My keyboard works perfectly fine...as does my mouse.

The system even recognized my USB J-Tag programmer which seriously amazed
me. I will honestly say I haven't had the need yet to see if it actually
works, but the fact that it was automatically and correctly detected did
impress me.


Time invested? Maybe a few hours per day for a couple days to learn the
basics to work with the operating system....Nothing that is unreasonable
to expect form learning how to work with a new operating system.

Time for average Joe to get his data back after he hoses his system by
trying to install Linux infinite.

Correction, that should read: Vista

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Hadron Quark wrote:
Alias writes:

Hadron Quark wrote:
Alias writes:

wrote:
On Feb 25, 10:14 am, Kier wrote:
How come I can't play encrypted DVD's (time to go steal libdvdcss).
Steal it? How? It's freely available.
In the USA?
Who cares? Most people do not live in the USA and are not subjected to
this stupidity.

And if it is totally legal to use, why is it not included in Linux
distributions?
Ever hear of Automatix?
Did you answer his question? Why is it not included?
Ever hear of Automatix?

Alias

Automatix has nothing to do with the question. ps My Ubuntu works, so
yes, I have.

Then you know how to get the codecs, Java, Real Player, etc. Why isn't
it included? Probably due to the weird USA laws would be my guess.

Alias

Alias wrote:
Justin wrote:
"Dean G." wrote in message
s.com...
Another thing, maybe you should tell Intel and Nvidia that their
butter is coming from a Linux user in my case. Linux, Core 2, and
GF8800. No Vista.
Butter? More like a teeny tiny little spec of a crumb ;p

AMD and ATI is getting it from me.

Now, majority vs. minority.

Most people used to think the world was flat.

Most people used to think that the sun revolved around the earth.

Most people still think there is a god.

I'll listen to the minorities, thank you very much.

Alias

Agreed. I like AMD and ATI better too.

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Justin wrote:
"arachnid" wrote in message
newsan.2007.02.23.21.54.40.805930@goawayspammers .com...
Unfortunately, some of that HDD space they take up was formerly occupied
by a system DLL or config info for another program or for the OS
itself...
That's nonsense. Now your typing just to hear your keyboard.

No, I just enjoy rubbing it in.
Rubbing what in? Someone has to care in order for you to rub.


You just can't get enough of taking the bait of these cola trollas can
you? LOL

Alias writes:

Hadron Quark wrote:
Alias writes:

Hadron Quark wrote:
Alias writes:

wrote:
On Feb 25, 10:14 am, Kier wrote:
How come I can't play encrypted DVD's (time to go steal libdvdcss).
Steal it? How? It's freely available.
In the USA?
Who cares? Most people do not live in the USA and are not subjected to
this stupidity.

And if it is totally legal to use, why is it not included in Linux
distributions?
Ever hear of Automatix?
Did you answer his question? Why is it not included?
Ever hear of Automatix?

Alias

Automatix has nothing to do with the question. ps My Ubuntu works, so
yes, I have.

Then you know how to get the codecs, Java, Real Player, etc. Why isn't
it included? Probably due to the weird USA laws would be my guess.

Alias

Are you slow or just tired?

Alias writes:

Hadron Quark wrote:
Alias writes:

Hadron Quark wrote:
Alias writes:

Hadron Quark wrote:
Linux and "buy" do not go together. You should know that.
Um, you're wrong. Last I checked, hardware is not free and without
hardware, Linux is useless.

Alias
Who mentioned HW?
I obviously did because you obviously left that out.

I said "Linux and "buy" do not go together".
So, you're saying that Linux users don't buy hardware?

No. Why do you ask? But we are not talking about HW. We are talking
about Linux. And additional, "pay for" SW.

Um, you wrote and I quote:

"Linux and "buy" do not go together"

You did NOT say Linux and "buy software" do not go together.

It might have whooshed straight over your head but Linux is software.


Alias

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Stephan Rose writes:

wrote:


Why won't Quicken work?

It's a windows program? There are plenty and from what I hear faster and
more efficient alternatives that do work.

Well you heard wrong. Quicken is the benchmark by which everything else
is judged. The clear market leader for a reason.

Hadron Quark wrote:

Stephan Rose writes:

wrote:


Why won't Quicken work?

It's a windows program? There are plenty and from what I hear faster and
more efficient alternatives that do work.

Well you heard wrong. Quicken is the benchmark by which everything else
is judged. The clear market leader for a reason.

Just because a product is a market leader does not necessarily make it the
*best*!

VHS Tapes come to mind just as one example of the past.

Said alternatives are not available for windows...hence they obviously can't
be market leaders in the Windows world. Doesn't make them worse.

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Stephan Rose writes:

Hadron Quark wrote:

Stephan Rose writes:

wrote:


Why won't Quicken work?

It's a windows program? There are plenty and from what I hear faster and
more efficient alternatives that do work.

Well you heard wrong. Quicken is the benchmark by which everything else
is judged. The clear market leader for a reason.

Just because a product is a market leader does not necessarily make it the
*best*!

Has this group gone dense today? I said it is the benchmark. And then
said this is why its the market leader. I wasnt referring to other
"market leaders" which arent the best.


VHS Tapes come to mind just as one example of the past.

Groan. Not that old analogy again.


Said alternatives are not available for windows...hence they obviously can't
be market leaders in the Windows world. Doesn't make them worse.

They are worse. You are guessing. I know.

There are LOADS of cash programs in Windows. A lot have come & gone
because they couldnt compete with Quicken.

Hadron Quark wrote:
Alias writes:

Hadron Quark wrote:
Alias writes:

Hadron Quark wrote:
Alias writes:

Hadron Quark wrote:
Linux and "buy" do not go together. You should know that.
Um, you're wrong. Last I checked, hardware is not free and without
hardware, Linux is useless.

Alias
Who mentioned HW?
I obviously did because you obviously left that out.

I said "Linux and "buy" do not go together".
So, you're saying that Linux users don't buy hardware?
No. Why do you ask? But we are not talking about HW. We are talking
about Linux. And additional, "pay for" SW.
Um, you wrote and I quote:

"Linux and "buy" do not go together"

You did NOT say Linux and "buy software" do not go together.

It might have whooshed straight over your head but Linux is software.

Not at all and had you specified I wouldn't have made the comment I did.

Alias

Alias wrote:
Hadron Quark wrote:
Alias writes:

Hadron Quark wrote:
Alias writes:

Hadron Quark wrote:
Alias writes:

Hadron Quark wrote:
Linux and "buy" do not go together. You should know that.
Um, you're wrong. Last I checked, hardware is not free and
without hardware, Linux is useless.

Alias
Who mentioned HW?
I obviously did because you obviously left that out.

I said "Linux and "buy" do not go together".
So, you're saying that Linux users don't buy hardware?
No. Why do you ask? But we are not talking about HW. We are talking
about Linux. And additional, "pay for" SW.
Um, you wrote and I quote:

"Linux and "buy" do not go together"

You did NOT say Linux and "buy software" do not go together.

It might have whooshed straight over your head but Linux is software.

Not at all and had you specified I wouldn't have made the comment I
did.

"Linux is software" is the part that's ridiculous.



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Alias wrote:
Hadron Quark wrote:
Alias writes:

Hadron Quark wrote:
Alias writes:

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On Feb 25, 10:14 am, Kier wrote:
How come I can't play encrypted DVD's (time to go steal libdvdcss).
Steal it? How? It's freely available.
In the USA?
Who cares? Most people do not live in the USA and are not subjected to
this stupidity.

And if it is totally legal to use, why is it not included in Linux
distributions?
Ever hear of Automatix?
Did you answer his question? Why is it not included?
Ever hear of Automatix?

Alias

Automatix has nothing to do with the question. ps My Ubuntu works, so
yes, I have.

Then you know how to get the codecs, Java, Real Player, etc. Why isn't
it included? Probably due to the weird USA laws would be my guess.

Alias

Thats right. The media industry in the US has the lawmakers and software
industry bought. Even if you use Automatix you are to agree that if you
are in the US you wont download the dvd decoders.
Many things are not automatically loaded with a Linux install but you
can add them at anytime.

Hadron Quark wrote:

Stephan Rose writes:

Hadron Quark wrote:

Stephan Rose writes:

wrote:


Why won't Quicken work?

It's a windows program? There are plenty and from what I hear faster
and more efficient alternatives that do work.

Well you heard wrong. Quicken is the benchmark by which everything else
is judged. The clear market leader for a reason.

Just because a product is a market leader does not necessarily make it
the *best*!

Has this group gone dense today? I said it is the benchmark. And then
said this is why its the market leader. I wasnt referring to other
"market leaders" which arent the best.


VHS Tapes come to mind just as one example of the past.

Groan. Not that old analogy again.

It may be old, but it's the truth isn't it?


Said alternatives are not available for windows...hence they obviously
can't be market leaders in the Windows world. Doesn't make them worse.

They are worse. You are guessing. I know.

Actually, the little experience I have with Quicken...I was absolutely NOT
impressed...I actually never used it much but I've heard the accountant
groan and curse on more than one occasion over it...

I suspect its popularity stems more from the fact that, as far as I know
anyway, the banks support it and it can interface with the online banking
easily giving it quite an edge in that department over the average tool
which cannot.

That doesn't really imply quality though.

I also do recall someone saying in this very newsgroup in a response to me
how they are glad Quicken doesn't run under Vista as its a total piece of
crap. =)

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wrote:

On Feb 25, 12:13 pm, arachnid wrote:
On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 08:02:25 -0800, jjwassermann wrote:
On Feb 25, 10:14 am, Kier wrote:
How come I can't play encrypted DVD's (time to go steal libdvdcss).

Steal it? How? It's freely available.

In the USA?
And if it is totally legal to use, why is it not included in Linux
distributions?
And why is it usually found on some remote site out in the middle of
the Pacific Ocean?

Not that it matters to a full-of-BS troll, but just for general info
Americans can buy a legally licensed DVD decoder for Linux for $8
fromhttps://shop.fluendo.com. Other decoders are also available and they
also have a package deal. Prices are given in Euros, go here to see what
they are in dollars:http://www.xe.com/ucc/

1. You didn't answer the question. IOW if they are legal why are they
not included with Linux?

Depends on the distribution.

Debian based distributions (ie Ubuntu for one example) do not include it due
to legal issues in the US. However *OUTSIDE THE US* they are perfectly
legal. Believe it or not, the US isn't the only country in this world after
all. =)

Other distributions though not based on Debian do include the codecs
standard though actually from what I know.

2.Why can't I use the legal decoder that came packaged with my DVD
player? I have to pay again just to use Linux?

Because actually, your DVD player cannot decode that DVD. All it can do is
read the raw data from it. It is up to the DVD Player software to make
sense of that data and decode the data which is generally windows software
that doesn't run under linux.

Also, if you do not wish to use the software that came pre-packed with your
DVD player to play back your DVDs, then even under windows, you have to pay
again to use another decoder from another company that you prefer since
that company isn't going to give you their decoder for free!

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