35 years of printing, they still can't do it right

On 2015-10-23 09:24, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:

"If the orange LED flashes 16 times (!) followed by the green LED once,
the ink level cannot be detected, and you should press the resume/paper
feed button for at least 5 seconds to continue printing."

LMAO! Try that with a user! "Ok, now you have to count how many times it
flashes; there will be a pause at some point, it will take 5% more time
to flash the next flash than normal - That's when you stop counting" ---
"But it just flashes and flashes!" --- "No, just keep counting, it stops
at 25" Bhahaha, badly designed diagnostics...

Best Regards,

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On 10/23/2015 03:56 PM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2015-10-23 15:07, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
[...]
What an utterly stupid thing to say. Inkjets are drastically cheaper
to run than lasers.
[...]

Data?



The guy is a troll and in my KF

B00ze wrote:
On 2015-10-23 09:24, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:

"If the orange LED flashes 16 times (!) followed by the green LED once,
the ink level cannot be detected, and you should press the resume/paper
feed button for at least 5 seconds to continue printing."

LMAO! Try that with a user! "Ok, now you have to count how many times it
flashes; there will be a pause at some point, it will take 5% more time
to flash the next flash than normal - That's when you stop counting" ---
"But it just flashes and flashes!" --- "No, just keep counting, it stops
at 25" Bhahaha, badly designed diagnostics...

Best Regards,


http://files.canon-europe.com/files/...ies%20(EN).pdf

Number of flashes/Cause Action

Two flashes: Printer is out of paper.
Three flashes: Paper jam.
Four flashes: Ink has run out.
Five flashes: The FINE Cartridge cannot be recognized.
Seven Flashes: FINE Cartridge is not installed in the correct position.
Eight flashes: Ink absorber is almost full.
Fourteen Flashes: The FINE Cartridge cannot be recognized.
Fifteen Flashes: The FINE Cartridge cannot be recognized.
Sixteen Flashes: Ink level cannot be detected.

Maybe that's what happens when high school students write your firmware ?

Paul

On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 11:46:57 -0400, Charmed Tuna wrote:

Tell yourself that my wife bought herself a BMW 428i not because it is
better than any other car but because she looks better in it than the
others.


My cleaner has a 428i so I must be paying her too much!

Steve

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Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 10/23/2015 3:27 PM, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 21:12:19 +0100, philo wrote:

On 10/23/2015 02:07 PM, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
X
Xr.

snip

What an utterly stupid thing to say. Inkjets are drastically
cheaper to run than lasers. And 100 pages isn't very much. Unless most
of the pages are full of large colour images, it won't
take that long. X


snip


Before I got the laser printer I was spending a couple hundred
dollars a year to print out documents...now I spend $30.


I stand by my statement that it's nuts to use an inkjet for such


but carry on

A laser is more expensive per page to print text or photographs. Source -
me: I've bought several hundred of both for my places of
work, and worked out the cost of running all of them. The only
reason lasers were ever bought was for speed. Unless you're stupid
enough to buy a Hewlett Packard and use genuine ink?


You are full of BS case closed.

Finally.
Are you lot aware that you have been replying to Peter Hucker, the biggest
loser and troll on usenet?

On 10/24/2015 3:19 AM, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:

I read somewhere that Epsons count the drops, and have a microswitch to
tell when you've changed the cartridge. This was about a decade ago.
No chips on the cartridge, no head on the cartridge, the cartridge was
just a plastic tank. Epson Stylus Photo 1200. There is no other way it
could have worked out when it was empty.


I expect more from a decent Canon photo printer.


No, you misunderstand. Some pages can have just text, some have
pictures, some have lots more ink used. So impossible for a human to
count how much ink is used.


I cannot remote view your printer. SO that's all I could say about it. A
good printer should NOT have failed from time to time.

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On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 12:14:21 +0100, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:

Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 10/23/2015 3:27 PM, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 21:12:19 +0100, philo wrote:

On 10/23/2015 02:07 PM, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
X
Xr.

snip

What an utterly stupid thing to say. Inkjets are drastically
cheaper to run than lasers. And 100 pages isn't very much. Unless most
of the pages are full of large colour images, it won't
take that long. X


snip


Before I got the laser printer I was spending a couple hundred
dollars a year to print out documents...now I spend $30.


I stand by my statement that it's nuts to use an inkjet for such


but carry on

A laser is more expensive per page to print text or photographs. Source -
me: I've bought several hundred of both for my places of
work, and worked out the cost of running all of them. The only
reason lasers were ever bought was for speed. Unless you're stupid
enough to buy a Hewlett Packard and use genuine ink?


You are full of BS case closed.

Finally.
Are you lot aware that you have been replying to Peter Hucker, the biggest
loser and troll on usenet?

PKB

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- From an old carrier sailor

On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 06:05:31 +0100, philo wrote:

On 10/23/2015 03:56 PM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2015-10-23 15:07, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
[...]
What an utterly stupid thing to say. Inkjets are drastically cheaper
to run than lasers.
[...]

Data?



The guy is a troll and in my KF

Troll: noun, person who has the sense to do research into costs before purchasing devices.

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On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 01:24:26 +0100, Charmed Tuna wrote:

On 2015-10-23 5:56 PM, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 22:45:36 +0100, Charmed Tuna wrote:

On 2015-10-23 3:16 PM, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 17:12:20 +0100, Charmed Tuna wrote:

On 2015-10-23 11:50 AM, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 16:46:57 +0100, Charmed Tuna wrote:

On 2015-10-23 11:30 AM, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 16:26:39 +0100, Charmed Tuna wrote:

On 2015-10-23 11:02 AM, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 15:52:37 +0100, Charmed Tuna wrote:

On 2015-10-23 10:38 AM, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 14:48:31 +0100, Charmed Tuna
wrote:

On 2015-10-23 9:24 AM, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
Why is it after 35 years of desktop printers, they're still
stupidly
designed?

They're not meant to be reliable or last for a particularly
long
time;
the companies expect you to keep dishing out money for toners,
ink
cartridges or new printers to keep them going. What you
_need_ or
_expect_ is of no concern to them.

If a company made one that worked properly, they could charge
more for
it, and put the others out of business as everyone would buy
theirs.
Sell it with a 5 year guarantee or something, and state what it
can do
that others can't. Like some car makers do.

I usually resolve my issues with a poor-quality piece of hardware
by no
longer buying from that company. For instance, my wife and I
purchased a
Samsung washer and dryer in 2009 after our wedding. Six years
later,
the
washer broke beyond possibility of repair following the dryer's
loss of
its function the year before (reparable though). For me, six
years is
unforgivable regardless of the fact that such hardware is no
longer
able
to last longer than 10 years. As such, I shall never touch
Samsung
products in general again.

The cost of white goods is ridiculous. £250 for a washing
machine?
It's just a motor in a box ffs. I can buy a second hand one
for £40
that lasts about 5 years. If it breaks, I don't care, it goes in
the
skip and I get another. Cheaper to buy a 2nd hand one than to
repair
one.

Unfortunately, my wife insists on utilitarian items such as washing
machines and dryers being pretty as well as useful.

How is one prettier than another? Besides, you have a choice of 2nd
hand ones too. Or you could go on Ebay and buy washing machine
decal
stickers.

Tell yourself that my wife bought herself a BMW 428i not because
it is
better than any other car but because she looks better in it than the
others.

I'm the one driving it now so I don't mind the decision too much..

Haven't you noticed no other drivers let you go first because all BMW
drivers are cocks? :-)

A lot of people stare at my car as I drive by but the people are
generally quite nice.

Every BMW driver I've seen drives around with full beam (or more likely
badly adjusted or badly designed dipped beam) headlights on in broad
daylight. I take this to mean they are flashing to let me out and pull
in front of them.

Some loser whose self-confidence seems to depend
on the quality of his car stared at mine for quite a long time (he was
driving a 328i) and Mercedes drivers often act like dicks to try to
make
themselves feel better about having paid more for less but otherwise I
don't encounter too many problems.

You paid more for less than a VW or Audi driver.

Except buying an Audi means that I bought something I would be ashamed
of. Besides, I don't think that Audi sells a car like the 428i for less.

A Skoda/Proton/Lada/Nissan is something to be ashamed of. An Audi is a
decent car. A BMW is a show-off's car. I'd respect someone in a
Merc/Bentley/etc way more than someone in a BMW.

BMW 428i: £30K
Audi TT: £27K

BMW 428i: 0-60 in 5.7s
Audi TT: 0-6 in 4s

BMW 428i: top speed 130mph
Audi TT: top speed 172mph

BMW 428i: 35mpg highway
Audi TT: 25mpg highway

You've bought a pipe and slippers car. It's more economical, I'll give
you that....

I think that might be the model my sister-in-law just purchased. If it
is, it looks just like the 428i. In my case, economy is a lot more
important than the 0-60, especially if it's 10mpg more.

People don't drive BMWs for economy. There are way more economical cars than that.

And how do they test the mpg anyway? In a faster car you could be going faster and accelerating harder, making it less economical.

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On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 14:55:00 +0100, Wolf K wrote:

On 2015-10-23 17:56, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
[...]
A Skoda/Proton/Lada/Nissan is something to be ashamed of. An Audi is a decent car. A BMW is a show-off's car. I'd respect someone in a Merc/Bentley/etc way more than someone in a BMW.


"[A car] to be ashamed of.... I'd respect someone in a Merc...."

For a guy who prides himself on smart price/quality calculations, you
sure got sucked in by the marketing. A car is just transportation.

And frankly, I don't care a rat's ass for the "respect" of a guy who
judges you by the brand of your car.

Have a good day,

Yes, a car is just transportation. So someone buying a BMW is just showing off needlessly.

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"IF YOU CAN READ THIS, THEN WE WASTED 50 BILLION BUCKS."

On 2015-10-24 9:44 AM, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 01:24:26 +0100, Charmed Tuna wrote:

On 2015-10-23 5:56 PM, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 22:45:36 +0100, Charmed Tuna wrote:

On 2015-10-23 3:16 PM, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 17:12:20 +0100, Charmed Tuna wrote:

On 2015-10-23 11:50 AM, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 16:46:57 +0100, Charmed Tuna wrote:

On 2015-10-23 11:30 AM, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 16:26:39 +0100, Charmed Tuna wrote:

On 2015-10-23 11:02 AM, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 15:52:37 +0100, Charmed Tuna
wrote:

On 2015-10-23 10:38 AM, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 14:48:31 +0100, Charmed Tuna
wrote:

On 2015-10-23 9:24 AM, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
Why is it after 35 years of desktop printers, they're still
stupidly
designed?

They're not meant to be reliable or last for a particularly
long
time;
the companies expect you to keep dishing out money for
toners,
ink
cartridges or new printers to keep them going. What you
_need_ or
_expect_ is of no concern to them.

If a company made one that worked properly, they could charge
more for
it, and put the others out of business as everyone would buy
theirs.
Sell it with a 5 year guarantee or something, and state
what it
can do
that others can't. Like some car makers do.

I usually resolve my issues with a poor-quality piece of
hardware
by no
longer buying from that company. For instance, my wife and I
purchased a
Samsung washer and dryer in 2009 after our wedding. Six years
later,
the
washer broke beyond possibility of repair following the dryer's
loss of
its function the year before (reparable though). For me, six
years is
unforgivable regardless of the fact that such hardware is no
longer
able
to last longer than 10 years. As such, I shall never touch
Samsung
products in general again.

The cost of white goods is ridiculous. £250 for a washing
machine?
It's just a motor in a box ffs. I can buy a second hand one
for £40
that lasts about 5 years. If it breaks, I don't care, it
goes in
the
skip and I get another. Cheaper to buy a 2nd hand one than to
repair
one.

Unfortunately, my wife insists on utilitarian items such as
washing
machines and dryers being pretty as well as useful.

How is one prettier than another? Besides, you have a choice
of 2nd
hand ones too. Or you could go on Ebay and buy washing machine
decal
stickers.

Tell yourself that my wife bought herself a BMW 428i not because
it is
better than any other car but because she looks better in it
than the
others.

I'm the one driving it now so I don't mind the decision too
much.

Haven't you noticed no other drivers let you go first because all
BMW
drivers are cocks? :-)

A lot of people stare at my car as I drive by but the people are
generally quite nice.

Every BMW driver I've seen drives around with full beam (or more
likely
badly adjusted or badly designed dipped beam) headlights on in broad
daylight. I take this to mean they are flashing to let me out and
pull
in front of them.

Some loser whose self-confidence seems to depend
on the quality of his car stared at mine for quite a long time (he
was
driving a 328i) and Mercedes drivers often act like dicks to try to
make
themselves feel better about having paid more for less but
otherwise I
don't encounter too many problems.

You paid more for less than a VW or Audi driver.

Except buying an Audi means that I bought something I would be ashamed
of. Besides, I don't think that Audi sells a car like the 428i for
less.

A Skoda/Proton/Lada/Nissan is something to be ashamed of. An Audi is a
decent car. A BMW is a show-off's car. I'd respect someone in a
Merc/Bentley/etc way more than someone in a BMW.

BMW 428i: £30K
Audi TT: £27K

BMW 428i: 0-60 in 5.7s
Audi TT: 0-6 in 4s

BMW 428i: top speed 130mph
Audi TT: top speed 172mph

BMW 428i: 35mpg highway
Audi TT: 25mpg highway

You've bought a pipe and slippers car. It's more economical, I'll give
you that....

I think that might be the model my sister-in-law just purchased. If it
is, it looks just like the 428i. In my case, economy is a lot more
important than the 0-60, especially if it's 10mpg more.

People don't drive BMWs for economy. There are way more economical cars
than that.

And how do they test the mpg anyway? In a faster car you could be going
faster and accelerating harder, making it less economical.

Tell yourself that the car has four driving settings. By default, it is
in ECO mode which slows the acceleration and turns off the motor when
you stop for a significant amount of time. There's also ECO PRO which is
a more extreme version of that. You can use two sports settings which
give you the hardware's full power but since they're not default,
they're only used when necessary which means that you're saving fuel
most of the time and using more only when truly required.


--
Charmed Tuna

Ken Blake, MVP wrote on 10/23/2015 8:20 PM:
On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 16:44:42 -0400, Wolf K
wrote:

On 2015-10-23 12:09, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

Although I stay away from all-in-ones,

I need a copier, too.



Me too. But I prefer two separate devices--a printer and a scanner.


A couple of years ago my stand-alone scanner died. Went to Fry's and to
my utter surprise they didn't have a single stand-alone scanner. So I
got an Epson XP-810 all-in-one. And I love it. The automatic document
feeder is awesome, prints/scans/copies two-sided, You can adjust the
quality level to minimize ink usage.

--
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http://edmullen.net/
When he who hears does not know what he who speaks means, and when he
who speaks does not know what he himself means, that is philosophy -
Voltaire

On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 15:28:32 +0100, Charmed Tuna wrote:

On 2015-10-24 9:44 AM, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 01:24:26 +0100, Charmed Tuna wrote:

On 2015-10-23 5:56 PM, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 22:45:36 +0100, Charmed Tuna wrote:

On 2015-10-23 3:16 PM, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 17:12:20 +0100, Charmed Tuna wrote:

On 2015-10-23 11:50 AM, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 16:46:57 +0100, Charmed Tuna wrote:

On 2015-10-23 11:30 AM, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 16:26:39 +0100, Charmed Tuna wrote:

On 2015-10-23 11:02 AM, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 15:52:37 +0100, Charmed Tuna
wrote:

On 2015-10-23 10:38 AM, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 14:48:31 +0100, Charmed Tuna
wrote:

On 2015-10-23 9:24 AM, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
Why is it after 35 years of desktop printers, they're still
stupidly
designed?

They're not meant to be reliable or last for a particularly
long
time;
the companies expect you to keep dishing out money for
toners,
ink
cartridges or new printers to keep them going. What you
_need_ or
_expect_ is of no concern to them.

If a company made one that worked properly, they could charge
more for
it, and put the others out of business as everyone would buy
theirs.
Sell it with a 5 year guarantee or something, and state
what it
can do
that others can't. Like some car makers do.

I usually resolve my issues with a poor-quality piece of
hardware
by no
longer buying from that company. For instance, my wife and I
purchased a
Samsung washer and dryer in 2009 after our wedding. Six years
later,
the
washer broke beyond possibility of repair following the dryer's
loss of
its function the year before (reparable though). For me, six
years is
unforgivable regardless of the fact that such hardware is no
longer
able
to last longer than 10 years. As such, I shall never touch
Samsung
products in general again.

The cost of white goods is ridiculous. £250 for a washing
machine?
It's just a motor in a box ffs. I can buy a second hand one
for £40
that lasts about 5 years. If it breaks, I don't care, it
goes in
the
skip and I get another. Cheaper to buy a 2nd hand one than to
repair
one.

Unfortunately, my wife insists on utilitarian items such as
washing
machines and dryers being pretty as well as useful.

How is one prettier than another? Besides, you have a choice
of 2nd
hand ones too. Or you could go on Ebay and buy washing machine
decal
stickers.

Tell yourself that my wife bought herself a BMW 428i not because
it is
better than any other car but because she looks better in it
than the
others.

I'm the one driving it now so I don't mind the decision too
much.

Haven't you noticed no other drivers let you go first because all
BMW
drivers are cocks? :-)

A lot of people stare at my car as I drive by but the people are
generally quite nice.

Every BMW driver I've seen drives around with full beam (or more
likely
badly adjusted or badly designed dipped beam) headlights on in broad
daylight. I take this to mean they are flashing to let me out and
pull
in front of them.

Some loser whose self-confidence seems to depend
on the quality of his car stared at mine for quite a long time (he
was
driving a 328i) and Mercedes drivers often act like dicks to try to
make
themselves feel better about having paid more for less but
otherwise I
don't encounter too many problems.

You paid more for less than a VW or Audi driver.

Except buying an Audi means that I bought something I would be ashamed
of. Besides, I don't think that Audi sells a car like the 428i for
less.

A Skoda/Proton/Lada/Nissan is something to be ashamed of. An Audi is a
decent car. A BMW is a show-off's car. I'd respect someone in a
Merc/Bentley/etc way more than someone in a BMW.

BMW 428i: £30K
Audi TT: £27K

BMW 428i: 0-60 in 5.7s
Audi TT: 0-6 in 4s

BMW 428i: top speed 130mph
Audi TT: top speed 172mph

BMW 428i: 35mpg highway
Audi TT: 25mpg highway

You've bought a pipe and slippers car. It's more economical, I'll give
you that....

I think that might be the model my sister-in-law just purchased. If it
is, it looks just like the 428i. In my case, economy is a lot more
important than the 0-60, especially if it's 10mpg more.

People don't drive BMWs for economy. There are way more economical cars
than that.

And how do they test the mpg anyway? In a faster car you could be going
faster and accelerating harder, making it less economical.

Tell yourself that the car has four driving settings. By default, it is
in ECO mode which slows the acceleration and turns off the motor when
you stop for a significant amount of time. There's also ECO PRO which is
a more extreme version of that. You can use two sports settings which
give you the hardware's full power but since they're not default,
they're only used when necessary which means that you're saving fuel
most of the time and using more only when truly required.

All the mpg listed above are absolutely terrible by today's standards anyway.

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On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 10:42:39 -0400, Ed Mullen
wrote:

Ken Blake, MVP wrote on 10/23/2015 8:20 PM:
On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 16:44:42 -0400, Wolf K
wrote:

On 2015-10-23 12:09, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

Although I stay away from all-in-ones,

I need a copier, too.



Me too. But I prefer two separate devices--a printer and a scanner.


A couple of years ago my stand-alone scanner died. Went to Fry's and to
my utter surprise they didn't have a single stand-alone scanner. So I
got an Epson XP-810 all-in-one. And I love it. The automatic document
feeder is awesome, prints/scans/copies two-sided, You can adjust the
quality level to minimize ink usage.


It's easy to find stand-alone scanners; go to a web site like
Amazon.com.

The main reason I prefer separate devices is that if you have a combo
unit, and one of the devices dies, you need to replace both.

On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 15:16:54 +0100, "Tough Guy no. 1265"
wrote:

On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 14:55:00 +0100, Wolf K wrote:

On 2015-10-23 17:56, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
[...]
A Skoda/Proton/Lada/Nissan is something to be ashamed of. An Audi is a decent car. A BMW is a show-off's car. I'd respect someone in a Merc/Bentley/etc way more than someone in a BMW.


"[A car] to be ashamed of.... I'd respect someone in a Merc...."

For a guy who prides himself on smart price/quality calculations, you
sure got sucked in by the marketing. A car is just transportation.

And frankly, I don't care a rat's ass for the "respect" of a guy who
judges you by the brand of your car.

Have a good day,

Yes, a car is just transportation. So someone buying a BMW is just showing off needlessly.

If we take that a bit further then anyone with a car of any sort may
be showing off. I gave up my car a few years ago after having had
about 20 cars over the years. That includes some very showoff cars.
Now I get a taxi if I need to go anywhere. It's much less expensive
than running a car but perhaps it's showing off even more!

Steve

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