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No Linux-based OS can do this.
On Fri, 30 Aug 2019 18:11:54 -0700, T wrote:
On 30/8/19 3:23 PM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote: Fang Yong wrote: So tell me, how do you get a multi-button mouse working under Linux where you can EASILY program the buttons to perform tasks like launching web browser etc. Tell me, can Linux do this ? No Linux-based OS can do: http://Jeff-Relf.Me/MouseKeyboardLayout.PNG Hi Jeff, Holy poop! I have had multi buttons on my mice before. Drives me insane. I can't remember what does what from day to day. Two buttons and a middle button roller ball is max for me. And I have never need anything else, which is probably why I can't remember what those other buttons are suppose to do. I have a single button Apple 'pod' mouse. How can I use that? -T |
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wrote: I have a single button Apple 'pod' mouse. How can I use that? it has more than one button. |
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On 08/31/2019 12:58 AM, Snit wrote:
On 8/31/19 12:36 AM, Dynamo Fireball wrote: On 08/30/2019 03:23 PM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote: Fang Yong wrote: So tell me, how do you get a multi-button mouse working under Linux where you can EASILY program the buttons to perform tasks like launching web browser etc. Tell me, can Linux do this ? Yes. A Compiz plugin, named "Commands", will let me launch programs by binding commands to keys and buttons. For a mouse with up to 9 buttons, using key modifiers as necessary, 24 different commands can be run. I just EASILY programmed Ctrl + Button1 to launch tintii, a simple picture editor. If my mouse had more than 3 buttons I wouldn't need the key modifier. And now I'll disable the Commands plugin again, because I don't want it. Can you set buttons based on what program you are in? For example, set the thumb buttons (on mice which have them) to be next and previous tabs or messages in different programs? Doesn't seem possible, at least not with the older Compiz that I have. There are other Compiz plugins that will identify open windows by XID, title, class... but I don't know if that information can be sent to Commands. |
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On 8/31/19 10:37 AM, Dynamo Fireball wrote:
On 08/31/2019 12:58 AM, Snit wrote: On 8/31/19 12:36 AM, Dynamo Fireball wrote: On 08/30/2019 03:23 PM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote: Fang Yong wrote: So tell me, how do you get a multi-button mouse working under Linux where you can EASILY program the buttons to perform tasks like launching web browser etc.Â* Tell me, can Linux do this ? Yes. A Compiz plugin, named "Commands", will let me launch programs by binding commands to keys and buttons. For a mouse with up to 9 buttons, using key modifiers as necessary, 24 different commands can be run. I just EASILY programmed Ctrl + Button1 to launch tintii, a simple picture editor. If my mouse had more than 3 buttons I wouldn't need the key modifier. And now I'll disable the Commands plugin again, because I don't want it. Can you set buttons based on what program you are in? For example, set the thumb buttons (on mice which have them) to be next and previous tabs or messages in different programs? Doesn't seem possible, at least not with the older Compiz that I have. There are other Compiz plugins that will identify open windows by XID, title, class... but I don't know if that information can be sent to Commands. I would not expect it to be a default option... but I am surprised Linux does not have some program to allow this. I know on my competing system it works very well for me. https://youtu.be/V791-XhhOxY Looked on Linux and found nothing... and have not looked much on Windows. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. |
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The thing about Linux, and its does tend to overwhelm new users, is that everything is customizable. There are several ways you can do multiple things. There is no straitjacket like you get with Windows and especially with Apple. there is no straitjacket with windows and certainly not apple, which has unix under the hood. not knowing how to do something does not mean it's intentionally blocked. I have never tested the primary clipboard with Wayland (replaces X11) as I do not care for weird old gnome. But unlike Windows and Apple, I have a choice. you have choices with windows and apple too. you may not be aware of what those choices are, but the choices definitely exist. in this case, there are numerous multi-clipboard utilities for both platforms, along with all sorts of other utilities and ways to customize the system. |
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On 8/31/19 1:30 AM, Snit wrote:
On 8/30/19 10:39 PM, T wrote: On 8/30/19 9:11 PM, Snit wrote: He is showing different methods, but now showing the value of two clipboards (at least that I saw). Personally I would hate to have my middle button tied up for that... and to have two clipboards means I would have to track of what is in each and how I copied stuff in each, and in Linux which program and which system keeps which clipboard when I quit a program. Or exit a program... depending on which term the program uses. What I like to do is highlight some text and place it into the secondary clipboard (ctrlc, then highlight some more text (primary clipboard) to place it into the primary clipboard, move to where I want to drop it (ctrlv and center click) and I only have to go back and forth once. And when dealing with terminal, the primary clipboard to 1000 times easier to use than the secondary clipboard.Â* You highlight what you want, then drop it with the center click. Very few actions needed. Much faster than the secondary clipboard and you don't lose track of what you are thinking because you had to right click, find copy , and click, then right click again, find paste ... And xterms do not support the secondary clipboard.Â* I use a lot of xterms. ya, the other two clipboards are pretty much useless. Sorry to respond a second time to your message, but in case you missed it, here is how I would do the "foo bar baz" task: https://youtu.be/Eg-VaR2SP78 I use only one clipboard, but it has a memory and hot keys to allow me to paste things in reverse order. And on macOS the terminal uses the same hotkeys (the hot keys are Command and not Control, so this is not an issue). AGAIN, though, to each their own... just sharing how I do stuff. Hi Snit, I have tried clipboard managers, but they did not allow me to copy and paste images and had other system issues, so I learned to live with out them Oh! As of Fedora 30 and Xfce 4.14, I have noticed that you no longer have to keep the source program of a copy open to be able to paste somewhere else. That was an annoyance! Sweet video. Hmmmmm. Weird old MacOS too. For what they were doing, I'd probably use the primary clipboard as it would be fewer strokes and I would not have to take my hand off the mouse. But then again, I have a choice! As you say, "to each their own" (pasted using the primary clipboard from your letter). A feature that I like in MacOS and Linux is when I have a terminal open and don't feel like typo'ing a long path of a file into the terminal, I can drag it from a file manager into my terminal and it types the path' out for me, typo free! But I NEVER make typos. Never I say! What ??? Well, maybe a few. WHAT ???? Okay, more than I like to admit. My favorite typo is "Widows" for "Windows". I get razzed a lot for that one. All funny! -T |
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I have tried clipboard managers, but they did not allow me to copy and paste images and had other system issues, so I learned to live with out them then you didn't try the better ones. A feature that I like in MacOS and Linux is when I have a terminal open and don't feel like typo'ing a long path of a file into the terminal, I can drag it from a file manager into my terminal and it types the path' out for me, typo free! not only does it type the path without typos, but it also escapes spaces and other characters. |
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T wrote:
A feature that I like in MacOS and Linux is when I have a terminal open and don't feel like typo'ing a long path of a file into the terminal, I can drag it from a file manager into my terminal and it types the path' out for me, typo free! Just to let you know it does the same in Windows CMD window, however I find bash much easier and more powerful than CMD or ugh PowerShell... -- Take care, Jonathan ------------------- LITTLE WORKS STUDIO http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com |
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On 2019-08-31 5:21 p.m., T wrote:
On 8/31/19 12:07 AM, Snit wrote: T wrote: On 8/30/19 9:11 PM, Snit wrote: He is showing different methods, but now showing the value of two clipboards (at least that I saw). Personally I would hate to have my middle button tied up for that... and to have two clipboards means I would have to track of what is in each and how I copied stuff in each, and in Linux which program and which system keeps which clipboard when I quit a program. Or exit a program... depending on which term the program uses. What I like to do is highlight some text and place it into the secondary clipboard (ctrlc, then highlight some more text (primary clipboard) to place it into the primary clipboard, move to where I want to drop it (ctrlv and center click) and I only have to go back and forth once. I can see the benefit of that — a bit more streamlined than what I do with a clipboard manager. For example: select paragraph of a news article then copy, select URL then move and middle click to get the URL and then paste the copied content. Would be easier than jumping back and forth or even copy, copy, paste, use clipboard manager (though the latter is not much different). And when dealing with terminal, the primary clipboard to 1000 times easier to use than the secondary clipboard.Â* You highlight what you want, then drop it with the center click. Very few actions needed. Much faster than the secondary clipboard and you don't lose track of what you are thinking because you had to right click, find copy , and click, then right click again, find paste ... My terminal uses the same hit keys as the rest of my system, but I see what you are saying. And xterms do not support the secondary clipboard.Â* I use a lot of xterms. ya, the other two clipboards are pretty much useless. I see the benefit with the URL / content example — and similar cases — but would not want to give up my middle click for it. A good clipboard manager gives much the same benefit. Still, to each their own. Thanks for the example. Hi Snit, You are welcome! The thing about Linux, and its does tend to overwhelm new users, is that everything is customizable.Â* There are several ways you can do multiple things.Â* There is no straitjacket like you get with Windows and especially with Apple. Only closet Communists like Apple. If they go out of their way to show that they have the Apple logo on something, they would just as easily go out of their way to show how they tattooed a hammer and sickle on themselves or sowed it onto their clothing. |
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On 8/31/19 2:34 PM, T wrote:
On 8/31/19 1:30 AM, Snit wrote: On 8/30/19 10:39 PM, T wrote: On 8/30/19 9:11 PM, Snit wrote: He is showing different methods, but now showing the value of two clipboards (at least that I saw). Personally I would hate to have my middle button tied up for that... and to have two clipboards means I would have to track of what is in each and how I copied stuff in each, and in Linux which program and which system keeps which clipboard when I quit a program. Or exit a program... depending on which term the program uses. What I like to do is highlight some text and place it into the secondary clipboard (ctrlc, then highlight some more text (primary clipboard) to place it into the primary clipboard, move to where I want to drop it (ctrlv and center click) and I only have to go back and forth once. And when dealing with terminal, the primary clipboard to 1000 times easier to use than the secondary clipboard.Â* You highlight what you want, then drop it with the center click. Very few actions needed. Much faster than the secondary clipboard and you don't lose track of what you are thinking because you had to right click, find copy , and click, then right click again, find paste ... And xterms do not support the secondary clipboard.Â* I use a lot of xterms. ya, the other two clipboards are pretty much useless. Sorry to respond a second time to your message, but in case you missed it, here is how I would do the "foo bar baz" task: https://youtu.be/Eg-VaR2SP78 I use only one clipboard, but it has a memory and hot keys to allow me to paste things in reverse order. And on macOS the terminal uses the same hotkeys (the hot keys are Command and not Control, so this is not an issue). AGAIN, though, to each their own... just sharing how I do stuff. Hi Snit, I have tried clipboard managers, but they did not allow me to copy and paste images and had other system issues, so I learned to live with out them The one I use allow me to copy images -- and even shows me a preview. Oh!Â* As of Fedora 30 and Xfce 4.14, I have noticed that you no longer have to keep the source program of a copy open to be able to paste somewhere else.Â*Â* That was an annoyance! I have not tested in a while, but default Mint used to lose the clipboard for SOME programs. There were alternate clipboard managers which resolved that though. Sweet video. Hmmmmm.Â* Weird old MacOS too.Â* For what they were doing, I'd probably use the primary clipboard as it would be fewer strokes and I would not have to take my hand off the mouse.Â* But then again, I have a choice! As you say, "to each their own" (pasted using the primary clipboard from your letter). Right... and by sharing what we like and hearing what others do we can learn. One of the things I learned from Mint was I *loved* windows snapping to each other. At the time macOS did not have it... and when I was on macOS it annoyed me. Now it has been added but it took Apple FAR too long. I think there were third party apps to add it, but I never did. Or never stayed with them if I did. I do use a third party window manager now (Moom). It is pretty cool in allowing me to move around multiple windows at once to a pre-set position. A feature that I like in MacOS and Linux is when I have a terminal open and don't feel like typo'ing a long path of a file into the terminal, I can drag it from a file manager into my terminal and it types the path' out for me, typo free! Yup. That is my main way of "typing" paths. But I NEVER make typos.Â* Never I say!Â* What ???Â* Well, maybe a few.Â* WHAT ????Â* Okay, more than I like to admit. FAR more than I like to admit. For me. Not you. I have no idea how many you make. My favorite typo is "Widows" for "Windows".Â* I get razzed a lot for that one.Â* All funny! -T I blame things on autocarrot. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. |
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On 8/31/19 2:21 PM, T wrote:
On 8/31/19 12:07 AM, Snit wrote: T wrote: On 8/30/19 9:11 PM, Snit wrote: He is showing different methods, but now showing the value of two clipboards (at least that I saw). Personally I would hate to have my middle button tied up for that... and to have two clipboards means I would have to track of what is in each and how I copied stuff in each, and in Linux which program and which system keeps which clipboard when I quit a program. Or exit a program... depending on which term the program uses. What I like to do is highlight some text and place it into the secondary clipboard (ctrlc, then highlight some more text (primary clipboard) to place it into the primary clipboard, move to where I want to drop it (ctrlv and center click) and I only have to go back and forth once. I can see the benefit of that — a bit more streamlined than what I do with a clipboard manager. For example: select paragraph of a news article then copy, select URL then move and middle click to get the URL and then paste the copied content. Would be easier than jumping back and forth or even copy, copy, paste, use clipboard manager (though the latter is not much different). And when dealing with terminal, the primary clipboard to 1000 times easier to use than the secondary clipboard.Â* You highlight what you want, then drop it with the center click. Very few actions needed. Much faster than the secondary clipboard and you don't lose track of what you are thinking because you had to right click, find copy , and click, then right click again, find paste ... My terminal uses the same hit keys as the rest of my system, but I see what you are saying. And xterms do not support the secondary clipboard.Â* I use a lot of xterms. ya, the other two clipboards are pretty much useless. I see the benefit with the URL / content example — and similar cases — but would not want to give up my middle click for it. A good clipboard manager gives much the same benefit. Still, to each their own. Thanks for the example. Hi Snit, You are welcome! The thing about Linux, and its does tend to overwhelm new users, is that everything is customizable.Â* There are several ways you can do multiple things.Â* There is no straitjacket like you get with Windows and especially with Apple. Each offers different choices. For example with macOS I get the choice to have the same hotkeys for pretty much any program, and the same common terms (Exit vs. Quit, for example, or Settings vs. Options). There are SOME exceptions but they are rare. I get the option to move files and rename them and still have them show up in "Open Recent" screens and otherwise not have references to them break (again, in most programs). I get the option to have an eight button mouse with "Next" and "Previous" buttons move from tab to tab in my web browser and my word processor, but move to the appropriate message in my email and Usenet clients. I get the option to save color swatches, or palettes, or font groups, in one program and have access to them in most other programs (a big benefit when working on materials for the same client in multiple programs). I get all sorts of options which do not exist elsewhere, or are done less well. But Linux also gives me options macOS does not. When my hard drive died on my older iMac I *could* have spent money to replace the drive. I did not. Linux gave me the option to easily use an external drive and use the machine as my media machine for some time. It was not ideal (the external drive was small and slow -- a USB thumb drive in fact) but it worked. Linux gave me the option to set up labs at schools with donated hardware and have the machines be largely consistent and usable. This was amazingly valuable for my students and the staff. I was able to set up a cheap bell system on another system -- with that and a few bucks of wiring I had a better bell system than the $2000 one the company redoing the PA system was asking for. Each has its pros and cons... and I am happy to have choice. I have never tested the primary clipboard with Wayland (replaces X11) as I do not care for weird old gnome. But unlike Windows and Apple, I have a choice. On macOS I have plenty of choice... some choices which Linux lacks, other choices where Linux offers things macOS does not. I prefer Xfce as its is minimal and gets out of your way. That is what I used on my media computer (on Mint). If I want a "multimedia experience", I will start a multimedia program.Â* And when I am tired of it, I will exit the program.Â* Don't pop crap up at me whilst I am working! Not sure what you mean here... most of the animations and the like on macOS are there for a reason (though there are a few which are just eye candy). I do not care for GUI's that think they are your playground: MacOS, gnome, and to an extent, Windows Nein (w10) for example.Â* But then again, with Linux, "I have a choice". Geez, look at all of Fedora's spins (gnome is stock): Â*Â*Â* https://spins.fedoraproject.org/ I prefer to install from the Live Spins, as they drop off a lot of the crap, such a gnome.Â* Then install what I want afterwards.Â* I especially like doing this with server installs as I only want those server products I need, NOT ALL OF THEM. I will get off my soap box now. Fair enough. And for severs I would absolutely agree Linux is often a great choice. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. 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On 8/31/19 3:40 PM, Rabid Robot wrote:
On 2019-08-31 5:21 p.m., T wrote: On 8/31/19 12:07 AM, Snit wrote: T wrote: On 8/30/19 9:11 PM, Snit wrote: He is showing different methods, but now showing the value of two clipboards (at least that I saw). Personally I would hate to have my middle button tied up for that... and to have two clipboards means I would have to track of what is in each and how I copied stuff in each, and in Linux which program and which system keeps which clipboard when I quit a program. Or exit a program... depending on which term the program uses. What I like to do is highlight some text and place it into the secondary clipboard (ctrlc, then highlight some more text (primary clipboard) to place it into the primary clipboard, move to where I want to drop it (ctrlv and center click) and I only have to go back and forth once. I can see the benefit of that — a bit more streamlined than what I do with a clipboard manager. For example: select paragraph of a news article then copy, select URL then move and middle click to get the URL and then paste the copied content. Would be easier than jumping back and forth or even copy, copy, paste, use clipboard manager (though the latter is not much different). And when dealing with terminal, the primary clipboard to 1000 times easier to use than the secondary clipboard.Â* You highlight what you want, then drop it with the center click. Very few actions needed. Much faster than the secondary clipboard and you don't lose track of what you are thinking because you had to right click, find copy , and click, then right click again, find paste ... My terminal uses the same hit keys as the rest of my system, but I see what you are saying. And xterms do not support the secondary clipboard.Â* I use a lot of xterms. ya, the other two clipboards are pretty much useless. I see the benefit with the URL / content example — and similar cases — but would not want to give up my middle click for it. A good clipboard manager gives much the same benefit. Still, to each their own. Thanks for the example. Hi Snit, You are welcome! The thing about Linux, and its does tend to overwhelm new users, is that everything is customizable.Â* There are several ways you can do multiple things.Â* There is no straitjacket like you get with Windows and especially with Apple. Only closet Communists like Apple. If they go out of their way to show that they have the Apple logo on something, they would just as easily go out of their way to show how they tattooed a hammer and sickle on themselves or sowed it onto their clothing. I have heard that said about Linux too. Neither are true. |
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On 8/31/19 4:57 PM, Snit wrote:
IfÂ*IÂ*wantÂ*aÂ*"multimediaÂ*experience",Â*IÂ*will Â*startÂ*a multimediaÂ*program.Â*Â*AndÂ*whenÂ*IÂ*amÂ*tiredÂ*o fÂ*it,Â*IÂ*will exitÂ*theÂ*program.Â*Â*Don'tÂ*popÂ*crapÂ*upÂ*atÂ*m eÂ*whilstÂ*IÂ*amÂ*working! Not sure what you mean here... most of the animations and the like on macOS are there for a reason (though there are a few which are just eye candy). I don't want anything interrupting me when I am working, such as the pretty picture of the day or the weather report or some gosh awful Windows store crappy app/suggestion of the day. A lot of people love MacOS. Hardly anything goes wrong. Most, I have to show how to reboot and shutdown their machines and most annoyingly, how to terminate an program. I wouldn't have a job if it wasn't for Windows. |
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On 8/31/19 3:13 PM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
T wrote: A feature that I like in MacOS and Linux is when I have a terminal open and don't feel like typo'ing a long path of a file into the terminal, I can drag it from a file manager into my terminal and it types the path' out for me, typo free! Just to let you know it does the same in Windows CMD window, Very cool. however I find bash much easier and more powerful than CMD or ugh PowerShell... Oh my gosh, bash kicks its ass all over the place! Batch programming is a nightmare. |
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On 8/31/19 3:58 PM, Snit wrote:
Right... and by sharing what we like and hearing what others do we can learn. One of the things I learned from Mint was I *loved* windows snapping to each other. At the time macOS did not have it... and when I was on macOS it annoyed me. Now it has been added but it took Apple FAR too long. I think there were third party apps to add it, but I never did.Â*OrÂ*neverÂ*stayedÂ*withÂ*themÂ*ifÂ*IÂ*did. I do use a third party window manager now (Moom). It is pretty cool in allowingÂ*meÂ*toÂ*moveÂ*aroundÂ*multipleÂ*windows *atÂ*onceÂ*toÂ*aÂ*pre-setÂ*position. 1+ My next comment is going to rile Windows fanbois. Linux is just damned fun to work on. |
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