MR GATES, DO YOU EXPECT US HOME USERS TO BUY MORE THAN ONE LICENSE AT $200-BS!

I spent $200 on this Windows XP and I cant use it on both
of my PCs at home is pure bull****. I will never buy or
use a Microsoft product ever again! I can understand
software piracy, but god this is gone too far.

MR GATES MUST ASSUME WE HAVE ALL THE MONEY IN THE WORLD
THAT WE CAN AFFORD $600 TO USE WINDOWS ON OUR SMALL 3 PC
HOME NETWORK.

BULL****!!!!!!!!!!!

"Joe" wrote in message
...
I spent $200 on this Windows XP and I cant use it on both
of my PCs at home is pure bull****. I will never buy or
use a Microsoft product ever again! I can understand
software piracy, but god this is gone too far.

MR GATES MUST ASSUME WE HAVE ALL THE MONEY IN THE WORLD
THAT WE CAN AFFORD $600 TO USE WINDOWS ON OUR SMALL 3 PC
HOME NETWORK.

BULL****!!!!!!!!!!!

There's a really simple solution to this issue. Actually read the terms of
use for the software :-)

Mr Gates was asked twenty years ago 'If all software should be free". =
and replied "Yes, and all hardware too".

I hope where you bought the computers from didn't charge you more than =
US$600 for three. They surely wouldn't assume "... [you] HAVE ALL THE =
MONEY IN THE WORLD THAT WE CAN AFFORD $600 TO USE WINDOWS ON OUR SMALL 3 =
PC HOME NETWORK.=20

--=20
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http://www.mvps.org/serenitymacros/
http://www.simtel.com/pub/pd/18669.html
"Joe" wrote in message =
...
I spent $200 on this Windows XP and I cant use it on both=20
of my PCs at home is pure bull****. I will never buy or=20
use a Microsoft product ever again! I can understand=20
software piracy, but god this is gone too far.=20
=20
MR GATES MUST ASSUME WE HAVE ALL THE MONEY IN THE WORLD=20
THAT WE CAN AFFORD $600 TO USE WINDOWS ON OUR SMALL 3 PC=20
HOME NETWORK.=20
=20
BULL****!!!!!!!!!!!

Joe;
No one expects you to do anything or assumes anything about you.
You do not need to upgrade any of your computers much less all 3.

This policy is not new.
This is the same policy that has always been with all Microsoft
consumer OSs.

You may like this:
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ... 6562%3A106560

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"Joe" wrote in message
...
I spent $200 on this Windows XP and I cant use it on both
of my PCs at home is pure bull****. I will never buy or
use a Microsoft product ever again! I can understand
software piracy, but god this is gone too far.

MR GATES MUST ASSUME WE HAVE ALL THE MONEY IN THE WORLD
THAT WE CAN AFFORD $600 TO USE WINDOWS ON OUR SMALL 3 PC
HOME NETWORK.

BULL****!!!!!!!!!!!

Greetings --

What planet are you from? Does your local grocer let you walk out
of the market with three loaves of bread when you've paid for only
one? Can you drive three cars home if you've paid for only one? Does
your local clothier allow you to leave the shop with three shirts if
you've purchased only one? Have you noticed a trend, yet? Where in
the world did you ever get the absurd idea that software manufacturers
would sell their products any differently?

As it has *always* been with *all* Microsoft operating systems,
it's necessary (to be in compliance with both the EULA and copyright
laws, if not technically) to purchase one WinXP license for each
computer on which it is installed. The only way in which WinXP
licensing differs from that of earlier versions of Windows is that
Microsoft has finally added a copy protection and anti-theft
mechanism, Product Activation, to prevent (or at least make more
difficult) the sort of multiple installations you're asking about.

No one "expects" you to buy WinXP for every machine in the house.
If you want every computer to run the same operating system, that's
_your_ choice.

It's thieves like you who have made it necessary for Microsoft and
other software manufacturers to implement copy protection mechanisms
like Product Activation. You have no one to blame but yourself, and
others of your ilk.


Bruce Chambers

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"Joe" wrote in message
...
I spent $200 on this Windows XP and I cant use it on both
of my PCs at home is pure bull****. I will never buy or
use a Microsoft product ever again! I can understand
software piracy, but god this is gone too far.

MR GATES MUST ASSUME WE HAVE ALL THE MONEY IN THE WORLD
THAT WE CAN AFFORD $600 TO USE WINDOWS ON OUR SMALL 3 PC
HOME NETWORK.

Yes, this person was rude in the way they posted
However, don't get on people because the don't like Activation.

Also, you don't have to activate bread. 3 loafs of bread are a lot
cheaper the three full versions of XP.

You shouldn't call people thief's.

The product activation didn't decrease piracy it actual increased it.
Their are pirated copies of xp out their.

I have a legal Version of Xp that came with my computer.

I don't like product activation because I like to fiddle around with
settings. My believe is once you buy it, it should not have to do
anything else to use it period.

However, I do agree that companies have a right to protect their
software but don't inconvenience the consumer.

Greg P Rozelle



On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 21:25:39 -0600, "Bruce Chambers" wrote:

Greetings --

What planet are you from? Does your local grocer let you walk out
of the market with three loaves of bread when you've paid for only
one? Can you drive three cars home if you've paid for only one? Does
your local clothier allow you to leave the shop with three shirts if
you've purchased only one? Have you noticed a trend, yet? Where in
the world did you ever get the absurd idea that software manufacturers
would sell their products any differently?

As it has *always* been with *all* Microsoft operating systems,
it's necessary (to be in compliance with both the EULA and copyright
laws, if not technically) to purchase one WinXP license for each
computer on which it is installed. The only way in which WinXP
licensing differs from that of earlier versions of Windows is that
Microsoft has finally added a copy protection and anti-theft
mechanism, Product Activation, to prevent (or at least make more
difficult) the sort of multiple installations you're asking about.

No one "expects" you to buy WinXP for every machine in the house.
If you want every computer to run the same operating system, that's
_your_ choice.

It's thieves like you who have made it necessary for Microsoft and
other software manufacturers to implement copy protection mechanisms
like Product Activation. You have no one to blame but yourself, and
others of your ilk.


Bruce Chambers

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"Joe" wrote in message
...
I spent $200 on this Windows XP and I cant use it on both
of my PCs at home is pure bull****. I will never buy or
use a Microsoft product ever again! I can understand
software piracy, but god this is gone too far.

MR GATES MUST ASSUME WE HAVE ALL THE MONEY IN THE WORLD
THAT WE CAN AFFORD $600 TO USE WINDOWS ON OUR SMALL 3 PC
HOME NETWORK.





Disclaimer
My advice is as-is. It could trash your system.

Greg;
WPA was designed to slow casual piracy.
Casual piracy is mostly the average person buying a piece of software
and installing it on many computers not even knowing that what they
are doing is wrong.
Many of these people were quite willing to buy multiple copies once
they realized it was the honest thing to do.
Look in the newsgroup archives starting shortly after Windows XP was
released and you will see.

Also when SP1 was released, there were countless people that were
willing to spend their $ to do the right thing even though they had
spent $ on a pirated copy of Windows XP Pro.

WPA was never intended to do the impossible and stop piracy, thieves
will always find a way to steal.
However WPA has helped many realize the correct way to buy software
and has cut down on casual piracy as it was intended.

If someone does not like the terms of the EULA, return the computer or
Windows XP and choose Linux or another alternative.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
An easier way to read newsgroup messages:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/p...oups/setup.asp
http://dts-l.org/index.html


"Greg P Rozelle " wrote in message
...
SNIPPED
The product activation didn't decrease piracy it actual increased
it.
Their are pirated copies of xp out their.

I have a legal Version of Xp that came with my computer.

I don't like product activation because I like to fiddle around with
settings. My believe is once you buy it, it should not have to do
anything else to use it period.

However, I do agree that companies have a right to protect their
software but don't inconvenience the consumer.

Greg P Rozelle

-----Original Message-----
Greetings --

What planet are you from? Does your local grocer let
you walk out
of the market with three loaves of bread when you've paid
for only
one? Can you drive three cars home if you've paid for
only one? Does
your local clothier allow you to leave the shop with
three shirts if
you've purchased only one? Have you noticed a trend,
yet? Where in
the world did you ever get the absurd idea that software
manufacturers
would sell their products any differently?

SNIP

You are an isufferable moron. The analogies proposed above
are fatuous and empty. If I buy a loaf of bread, I am free
to use it as I see fit. I can eat it, feed it to the birds,
or let it rot. If I buy a car, I can drive it, give it
away, paint it, or do pretty much as I please with it. So
how is *that* any different from buying software? The
obvious answer is that one buys a license to use software
within the limits prescribed by the licensor. You might
try once in a while to stop and think about what you're
writing before you post it.

Jupiter Jones
Why in the US is Xp Full Version Cost $200 to $300?

Also In One country Microsoft Reduce the Price of Xp to $45 Dollars
and that xp has the Activation Requirement Removed.

Greg P Rozelle



On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 22:48:19 -0600, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:

Greg;
WPA was designed to slow casual piracy.
Casual piracy is mostly the average person buying a piece of software
and installing it on many computers not even knowing that what they
are doing is wrong.
Many of these people were quite willing to buy multiple copies once
they realized it was the honest thing to do.
Look in the newsgroup archives starting shortly after Windows XP was
released and you will see.

Also when SP1 was released, there were countless people that were
willing to spend their $ to do the right thing even though they had
spent $ on a pirated copy of Windows XP Pro.

WPA was never intended to do the impossible and stop piracy, thieves
will always find a way to steal.
However WPA has helped many realize the correct way to buy software
and has cut down on casual piracy as it was intended.

If someone does not like the terms of the EULA, return the computer or
Windows XP and choose Linux or another alternative.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
An easier way to read newsgroup messages:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/p...oups/setup.asp
http://dts-l.org/index.html


"Greg P Rozelle " wrote in message
...
SNIPPED
The product activation didn't decrease piracy it actual increased
it.
Their are pirated copies of xp out their.

I have a legal Version of Xp that came with my computer.

I don't like product activation because I like to fiddle around with
settings. My believe is once you buy it, it should not have to do
anything else to use it period.

However, I do agree that companies have a right to protect their
software but don't inconvenience the consumer.

Greg P Rozelle




Disclaimer
My advice is as-is. It could trash your system.

On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 22:48:19 -0600, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"
wrote:

snip
If someone does not like the terms of the EULA, return the computer or
Windows XP and choose Linux or another alternative.

Well said! (and I'm not a Micro$soft booster.)

Why did my car insurance go up 40% when I have never had an accident nor a
claim?

Testy

"Greg P Rozelle " wrote in message
...
Jupiter Jones
Why in the US is Xp Full Version Cost $200 to $300?

Also In One country Microsoft Reduce the Price of Xp to $45 Dollars
and that xp has the Activation Requirement Removed.

Greg P Rozelle



On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 22:48:19 -0600, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"
wrote:

Greg;
WPA was designed to slow casual piracy.
Casual piracy is mostly the average person buying a piece of software
and installing it on many computers not even knowing that what they
are doing is wrong.
Many of these people were quite willing to buy multiple copies once
they realized it was the honest thing to do.
Look in the newsgroup archives starting shortly after Windows XP was
released and you will see.

Also when SP1 was released, there were countless people that were
willing to spend their $ to do the right thing even though they had
spent $ on a pirated copy of Windows XP Pro.

WPA was never intended to do the impossible and stop piracy, thieves
will always find a way to steal.
However WPA has helped many realize the correct way to buy software
and has cut down on casual piracy as it was intended.

If someone does not like the terms of the EULA, return the computer or
Windows XP and choose Linux or another alternative.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
An easier way to read newsgroup messages:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/p...oups/setup.asp
http://dts-l.org/index.html


"Greg P Rozelle " wrote in message
...
SNIPPED
The product activation didn't decrease piracy it actual increased
it.
Their are pirated copies of xp out their.

I have a legal Version of Xp that came with my computer.

I don't like product activation because I like to fiddle around with
settings. My believe is once you buy it, it should not have to do
anything else to use it period.

However, I do agree that companies have a right to protect their
software but don't inconvenience the consumer.

Greg P Rozelle




Disclaimer
My advice is as-is. It could trash your system.


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"Greg P Rozelle " wrote in message
...
Jupiter Jones
Why in the US is Xp Full Version Cost $200 to $300?

Also In One country Microsoft Reduce the Price of Xp to $45 Dollars
and that xp has the Activation Requirement Removed.

Greg P Rozelle


Greg,

You might as well have asked - why does a GM Saturn cost $11,000 and a
Ferrari $300,000 ?
We spend billions of dollars every year on the research and development to
deliver our products to customers.
If you consider the cost of Windows 95 at launch Aug 1995 and the cost of
Windows XP at launch Oct 2001 you will see that in real terms the cost of
Windows has fallen.

Can you please also proved a specific link to the alleged $45 dollar cost.



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"Greg P Rozelle " wrote in message
...
Jupiter Jones
Why in the US is Xp Full Version Cost $200 to $300?

Also In One country Microsoft Reduce the Price of Xp to $45 Dollars
and that xp has the Activation Requirement Removed.

Greg P Rozelle



On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 22:48:19 -0600, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"
wrote:

Greg;
WPA was designed to slow casual piracy.
Casual piracy is mostly the average person buying a piece of software
and installing it on many computers not even knowing that what they
are doing is wrong.
Many of these people were quite willing to buy multiple copies once
they realized it was the honest thing to do.
Look in the newsgroup archives starting shortly after Windows XP was
released and you will see.

Also when SP1 was released, there were countless people that were
willing to spend their $ to do the right thing even though they had
spent $ on a pirated copy of Windows XP Pro.

WPA was never intended to do the impossible and stop piracy, thieves
will always find a way to steal.
However WPA has helped many realize the correct way to buy software
and has cut down on casual piracy as it was intended.

If someone does not like the terms of the EULA, return the computer or
Windows XP and choose Linux or another alternative.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
An easier way to read newsgroup messages:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/p...oups/setup.asp
http://dts-l.org/index.html


"Greg P Rozelle " wrote in message
...
SNIPPED
The product activation didn't decrease piracy it actual increased
it.
Their are pirated copies of xp out their.

I have a legal Version of Xp that came with my computer.

I don't like product activation because I like to fiddle around with
settings. My believe is once you buy it, it should not have to do
anything else to use it period.

However, I do agree that companies have a right to protect their
software but don't inconvenience the consumer.

Greg P Rozelle




Disclaimer
My advice is as-is. It could trash your system.

Mike the article is he

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=11058

Of course it IS the Inquirer so must be taken with a grain of salt (and
maybe a couple of shots of Tequila)

Testy

"Mike Brannigan [MSFT]" wrote in message
...
"Greg P Rozelle " wrote in message
...
Jupiter Jones
Why in the US is Xp Full Version Cost $200 to $300?

Also In One country Microsoft Reduce the Price of Xp to $45 Dollars
and that xp has the Activation Requirement Removed.

Greg P Rozelle


Greg,

You might as well have asked - why does a GM Saturn cost $11,000 and a
Ferrari $300,000 ?
We spend billions of dollars every year on the research and development to
deliver our products to customers.
If you consider the cost of Windows 95 at launch Aug 1995 and the cost of
Windows XP at launch Oct 2001 you will see that in real terms the cost of
Windows has fallen.

Can you please also proved a specific link to the alleged $45 dollar cost.



--
Regards,

Mike
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This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights

Please note I cannot respond to e-mailed questions, please use these
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"Greg P Rozelle " wrote in message
...
Jupiter Jones
Why in the US is Xp Full Version Cost $200 to $300?

Also In One country Microsoft Reduce the Price of Xp to $45 Dollars
and that xp has the Activation Requirement Removed.

Greg P Rozelle



On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 22:48:19 -0600, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"
wrote:

Greg;
WPA was designed to slow casual piracy.
Casual piracy is mostly the average person buying a piece of software
and installing it on many computers not even knowing that what they
are doing is wrong.
Many of these people were quite willing to buy multiple copies once
they realized it was the honest thing to do.
Look in the newsgroup archives starting shortly after Windows XP was
released and you will see.

Also when SP1 was released, there were countless people that were
willing to spend their $ to do the right thing even though they had
spent $ on a pirated copy of Windows XP Pro.

WPA was never intended to do the impossible and stop piracy, thieves
will always find a way to steal.
However WPA has helped many realize the correct way to buy software
and has cut down on casual piracy as it was intended.

If someone does not like the terms of the EULA, return the computer or
Windows XP and choose Linux or another alternative.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
An easier way to read newsgroup messages:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/p...oups/setup.asp
http://dts-l.org/index.html


"Greg P Rozelle " wrote in message
...
SNIPPED
The product activation didn't decrease piracy it actual increased
it.
Their are pirated copies of xp out their.

I have a legal Version of Xp that came with my computer.

I don't like product activation because I like to fiddle around with
settings. My believe is once you buy it, it should not have to do
anything else to use it period.

However, I do agree that companies have a right to protect their
software but don't inconvenience the consumer.

Greg P Rozelle




Disclaimer
My advice is as-is. It could trash your system.




---
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"Greg P Rozelle " wrote in message
...
Jupiter Jones
Why in the US is Xp Full Version Cost $200 to $300?

Also In One country Microsoft Reduce the Price of Xp to $45 Dollars
and that xp has the Activation Requirement Removed.

Greg P Rozelle

Greg,

While I cannot comment on piece from the Inquirer (
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=11058 - Thanks Testy) that is supposedly
a rewrite of a piece from the Wall Street Journal.
If you look at the text. It is not the retail price that appears to be
cut - but the fact that the government was going to sell PCs, so this is
effectively an OEM deal. In that the Thailand government is going to OEM
machines with Windows XP and Office XP on them. The price of our products to
OEMs is always different then to the retail channel.
You can buy a $500 dollar PC with an operating system that retail costs
$200. The bare hardware in that PC costs more then $400 so the OEMs do get
a reduced price (for many varied reasons).
Product Activation in OEM versions of Windows and Office ca be removed from
the user perspective and is not visible to anyone, as we can use what is
often referred to as "BIOS Locked" in that the product does not need to
activate as it is locked to the BIOS of the PC it is installed to.

Product Activation and new pre-loaded PCs


The majority of customers acquire Windows with the purchase of a new
computer, and most new computers pre-loaded with Windows XP will not require
activation at all. Microsoft provides OEMs with the ability to
"pre-activate" Windows XP in the factory and estimates that upwards of 80%
of all new PCs will be delivered to the customer pre-activated.



"Pre-activation" of Windows XP by the OEMs will be done in one of two
different ways depending on the OEM's own configuration options and choices.
Some OEMs may protect Windows XP using a mechanism which locks the
installation to OEM-specified BIOS information in the PC. This technology
works very similar to existing technologies that many OEMs have used over
the years with the CDs they ship to reinstall Windows on these computers.
We expanded and integrated the existing OEM CD BIOS locking mechanism with
product activation, and call this method of protection "System Locked
Pre-installation," or SLP.



Successfully implemented, SLP uses information stored in an OEM PC's BIOS to
protect the installation from casual piracy. No communication by the end
customer to Microsoft is required and no hardware hash is created or
necessary. At boot, Windows XP compares the PC's BIOS to the SLP
information. If it matches, no activation is required.



Every single piece of hardware could be changed on a PC with SLP and no
reactivation would be required - even the motherboard could be replaced as
long as the replacement motherboard was original equipment manufactured by
the OEM and retained the proper BIOS.




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"Greg P Rozelle " wrote in message
...
Jupiter Jones
Why in the US is Xp Full Version Cost $200 to $300?

Also In One country Microsoft Reduce the Price of Xp to $45 Dollars
and that xp has the Activation Requirement Removed.

Greg P Rozelle



On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 22:48:19 -0600, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"
wrote:

Greg;
WPA was designed to slow casual piracy.
Casual piracy is mostly the average person buying a piece of software
and installing it on many computers not even knowing that what they
are doing is wrong.
Many of these people were quite willing to buy multiple copies once
they realized it was the honest thing to do.
Look in the newsgroup archives starting shortly after Windows XP was
released and you will see.

Also when SP1 was released, there were countless people that were
willing to spend their $ to do the right thing even though they had
spent $ on a pirated copy of Windows XP Pro.

WPA was never intended to do the impossible and stop piracy, thieves
will always find a way to steal.
However WPA has helped many realize the correct way to buy software
and has cut down on casual piracy as it was intended.

If someone does not like the terms of the EULA, return the computer or
Windows XP and choose Linux or another alternative.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
An easier way to read newsgroup messages:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/p...oups/setup.asp
http://dts-l.org/index.html


"Greg P Rozelle " wrote in message
...
SNIPPED
The product activation didn't decrease piracy it actual increased
it.
Their are pirated copies of xp out their.

I have a legal Version of Xp that came with my computer.

I don't like product activation because I like to fiddle around with
settings. My believe is once you buy it, it should not have to do
anything else to use it period.

However, I do agree that companies have a right to protect their
software but don't inconvenience the consumer.

Greg P Rozelle




Disclaimer
My advice is as-is. It could trash your system.

Joe,
Linux. It's free.


"Joe" wrote in message
...
I spent $200 on this Windows XP and I cant use it on both
of my PCs at home is pure bull****. I will never buy or
use a Microsoft product ever again! I can understand
software piracy, but god this is gone too far.

MR GATES MUST ASSUME WE HAVE ALL THE MONEY IN THE WORLD
THAT WE CAN AFFORD $600 TO USE WINDOWS ON OUR SMALL 3 PC
HOME NETWORK.

BULL****!!!!!!!!!!!