MR GATES, DO YOU EXPECT US HOME USERS TO BUY MORE THAN ONE LICENSE AT $200-BS!

Greetings --

You can, but you have to establish a good relationship with a
local computer components wholesaler.

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"Papa" wrote in message
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And that is why computer hobbyist who build their own PCs are
rapidly
disappearing. It's no longer cost effective. You can't possibly buy
the
individual parts, plus the OS, for anything close to the price of a
commercially built system with the OS pre-installed. It was fun
while it
lasted.

Ya but what about the newbie? I /can/ build a computer, but I've never
actually gone out and bought the parts.

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"Bruce Chambers" wrote in message
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Greetings --

You can, but you have to establish a good relationship with a
local computer components wholesaler.

Bruce Chambers

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"Papa" wrote in message
...
And that is why computer hobbyist who build their own PCs are
rapidly
disappearing. It's no longer cost effective. You can't possibly buy
the
individual parts, plus the OS, for anything close to the price of a
commercially built system with the OS pre-installed. It was fun
while it
lasted.

Your best bet for (new) parts is internet sites such as Newegg. They are
usually sold at significantly lower prices than local stores, and quite
often shipping is free. However, even making your purchases that way still
will not put you at a cost advantage when comparing your cost-to-build vs
your cost to buy a computer pre-assembled. As far as I can see, the only
advantage of building your own these days is that you can select all of the
components yourself - down to the CPU, motherboard, type of RAM, PS, case,
etc.. That's what I have done up to now, but not for much longer.

"PCyr" wrote in message
...
Ya but what about the newbie? I /can/ build a computer, but I've never
actually gone out and bought the parts.

snip

What ever happened to Joe?
If I ask for assistance, on say, "The Registry". Would I get this many
responses?

Ha!

Somehow I was not surprised at his silence.

The person who yells "Fire!" in a theater is usually the first one outta
there!

"Bud" wrote in message
...
What ever happened to Joe?
If I ask for assistance, on say, "The Registry". Would I get this many
responses?

On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 10:32:11 -0400, "SunSpot"
wrote:

It's like anything else you purchase.
The more copies you purchase, the better deal you can get.
I am sure you would find that if you look around,
You could probably get the same price her company is getting
if you also purchase 1000 copies.
This is nothing new, most companies will offer
discounts for "bulk" purchases.

Tell me something I don't know - my point was that if Microsoft (or
any other company) offers me a "special deal" on "site licences" I
expect a lower price than their product is offered "on the street". If
it is HIGHER then it's not really that "special" or a "deal".

As it was, I thought it was pretty insulting.

Bud wrote:
What ever happened to Joe?
If I ask for assistance, on say, "The Registry". Would I get this
many responses?

Joe is a classic example of a troll. Trolls start an inflammatory thread,
then sit back and watch the show. He won't be back.




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Papa wrote:
And that is why computer hobbyist who build their own PCs are rapidly
disappearing. It's no longer cost effective. You can't possibly buy
the individual parts, plus the OS, for anything close to the price of
a commercially built system with the OS pre-installed. It was fun
while it lasted.


It is still fun and cheaper if you are building high end systems that the
price of a full version of XP is the least of the concerns. You are right
about an entry level system, it is cheaper to purchase a system from Dell,
HP, Sony, etc. than to build a comparable system.
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"Mike Brannigan [MSFT]" wrote in
message ...

snip

The price of our products to
OEMs is always different then to the retail channel.
You can buy a $500 dollar PC with an operating system that retail
costs $200. The bare hardware in that PC costs more then $400 so
the OEMs do get a reduced price (for many varied reasons).
Product Activation in OEM versions of Windows and Office ca be
removed from the user perspective and is not visible to anyone, as
we can use what is often referred to as "BIOS Locked" in that the
product does not need to activate as it is locked to the BIOS of the
PC it is installed to.

Product Activation and new pre-loaded PCs

Well, from experience I will have to disagree. If one does a detailed price
comparison of a high end build-your-own system (purchasing the parts as
cheaply as possible) versus a pre-assembled high end system with the OS
installed, the pre-assembled systems are invariably less expensive - and
more often than not, considerably so.

Regards.

"Michael Stevens" wrote in message
...
Papa wrote:
And that is why computer hobbyist who build their own PCs are rapidly
disappearing. It's no longer cost effective. You can't possibly buy
the individual parts, plus the OS, for anything close to the price of
a commercially built system with the OS pre-installed. It was fun
while it lasted.


It is still fun and cheaper if you are building high end systems that the
price of a full version of XP is the least of the concerns. You are right
about an entry level system, it is cheaper to purchase a system from Dell,
HP, Sony, etc. than to build a comparable system.
--

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"Mike Brannigan [MSFT]" wrote in
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snip

The price of our products to
OEMs is always different then to the retail channel.
You can buy a $500 dollar PC with an operating system that retail
costs $200. The bare hardware in that PC costs more then $400 so
the OEMs do get a reduced price (for many varied reasons).
Product Activation in OEM versions of Windows and Office ca be
removed from the user perspective and is not visible to anyone, as
we can use what is often referred to as "BIOS Locked" in that the
product does not need to activate as it is locked to the BIOS of the
PC it is installed to.

Product Activation and new pre-loaded PCs

Greetings --

I haven't found this to be the case at all. But then, I also buy
my high-end components in the OEM plain wrappers, through wholesale
channels, rather than the fancy and more expensive retail packaging.

Bruce Chambers

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"Papa" wrote in message
...
Well, from experience I will have to disagree. If one does a
detailed price
comparison of a high end build-your-own system (purchasing the parts
as
cheaply as possible) versus a pre-assembled high end system with the
OS
installed, the pre-assembled systems are invariably less expensive -
and
more often than not, considerably so.

Regards.

Not what I have been seeing.
I build systems all the time and it costs me a lot less to buy and assemble
them then purchasing them ready made.
For example, I built myself a server that had a comparable list price of
$9,000.00.
It only cost me $2,800.00 to build.
My workstation would have cost $4,500.00 easily, but I built it for less
then $3,000.00


"Papa" wrote in message
...
Well, from experience I will have to disagree. If one does a detailed
price
comparison of a high end build-your-own system (purchasing the parts as
cheaply as possible) versus a pre-assembled high end system with the OS
installed, the pre-assembled systems are invariably less expensive - and
more often than not, considerably so.

Regards.

"Michael Stevens" wrote in message
...
Papa wrote:
And that is why computer hobbyist who build their own PCs are rapidly
disappearing. It's no longer cost effective. You can't possibly buy
the individual parts, plus the OS, for anything close to the price of
a commercially built system with the OS pre-installed. It was fun
while it lasted.


It is still fun and cheaper if you are building high end systems that
the
price of a full version of XP is the least of the concerns. You are
right
about an entry level system, it is cheaper to purchase a system from
Dell,
HP, Sony, etc. than to build a comparable system.
--

Michael Stevens MS-MVP XP

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"Mike Brannigan [MSFT]" wrote in
message ...

snip

The price of our products to
OEMs is always different then to the retail channel.
You can buy a $500 dollar PC with an operating system that retail
costs $200. The bare hardware in that PC costs more then $400 so
the OEMs do get a reduced price (for many varied reasons).
Product Activation in OEM versions of Windows and Office ca be
removed from the user perspective and is not visible to anyone, as
we can use what is often referred to as "BIOS Locked" in that the
product does not need to activate as it is locked to the BIOS of the
PC it is installed to.

Product Activation and new pre-loaded PCs

"PCyr" wrote in news:#BbCoHabDHA.2820
@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl:

Just buy it from there and get it shipped to you ;-)


I don't speak or read Thai. So, it would do me no good.

David

Spam.

"SunSpot" kirjoitti
...
Not what I have been seeing.
I build systems all the time and it costs me a lot less to buy and
assemble
them then purchasing them ready made.
For example, I built myself a server that had a comparable list price of
$9,000.00.
It only cost me $2,800.00 to build.
My workstation would have cost $4,500.00 easily, but I built it for less
then $3,000.00


"Papa" wrote in message
...
Well, from experience I will have to disagree. If one does a detailed
price
comparison of a high end build-your-own system (purchasing the parts as
cheaply as possible) versus a pre-assembled high end system with the OS
installed, the pre-assembled systems are invariably less expensive - and
more often than not, considerably so.

Regards.

"Michael Stevens" wrote in message
...
Papa wrote:
And that is why computer hobbyist who build their own PCs are
rapidly
disappearing. It's no longer cost effective. You can't possibly buy
the individual parts, plus the OS, for anything close to the price
of
a commercially built system with the OS pre-installed. It was fun
while it lasted.


It is still fun and cheaper if you are building high end systems that
the
price of a full version of XP is the least of the concerns. You are
right
about an entry level system, it is cheaper to purchase a system from
Dell,
HP, Sony, etc. than to build a comparable system.
--

Michael Stevens MS-MVP XP

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"Mike Brannigan [MSFT]" wrote in
message ...

snip

The price of our products to
OEMs is always different then to the retail channel.
You can buy a $500 dollar PC with an operating system that retail
costs $200. The bare hardware in that PC costs more then $400 so
the OEMs do get a reduced price (for many varied reasons).
Product Activation in OEM versions of Windows and Office ca be
removed from the user perspective and is not visible to anyone, as
we can use what is often referred to as "BIOS Locked" in that the
product does not need to activate as it is locked to the BIOS of
the
PC it is installed to.

Product Activation and new pre-loaded PCs

What are you talking about?
Where am I selling anything or offering any services?
Do you even know what spam is?
I suggest you read up on the subject before you make
un-founded accusations and make a complete a$$ out of yourself.


"Tuntis" wrote in message
...
Spam.

"SunSpot" kirjoitti
...
Not what I have been seeing.
I build systems all the time and it costs me a lot less to buy and
assemble
them then purchasing them ready made.
For example, I built myself a server that had a comparable list price of
$9,000.00.
It only cost me $2,800.00 to build.
My workstation would have cost $4,500.00 easily, but I built it for less
then $3,000.00


"Papa" wrote in message
...
Well, from experience I will have to disagree. If one does a detailed
price
comparison of a high end build-your-own system (purchasing the parts
as
cheaply as possible) versus a pre-assembled high end system with the
OS
installed, the pre-assembled systems are invariably less expensive -
and
more often than not, considerably so.

Regards.

"Michael Stevens" wrote in message
...
Papa wrote:
And that is why computer hobbyist who build their own PCs are
rapidly
disappearing. It's no longer cost effective. You can't possibly
buy
the individual parts, plus the OS, for anything close to the price
of
a commercially built system with the OS pre-installed. It was fun
while it lasted.


It is still fun and cheaper if you are building high end systems
that
the
price of a full version of XP is the least of the concerns. You are
right
about an entry level system, it is cheaper to purchase a system from
Dell,
HP, Sony, etc. than to build a comparable system.
--

Michael Stevens MS-MVP XP

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"Mike Brannigan [MSFT]" wrote in
message ...

snip

The price of our products to
OEMs is always different then to the retail channel.
You can buy a $500 dollar PC with an operating system that retail
costs $200. The bare hardware in that PC costs more then $400 so
the OEMs do get a reduced price (for many varied reasons).
Product Activation in OEM versions of Windows and Office ca be
removed from the user perspective and is not visible to anyone,
as
we can use what is often referred to as "BIOS Locked" in that the
product does not need to activate as it is locked to the BIOS of
the
PC it is installed to.

Product Activation and new pre-loaded PCs

Xref: kermit microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers:92777

You built a workstation for just under $3k?? Hmmm... remind me NOT to shop
from you!! Curious... what on earth was in it to cost that much???

"SunSpot" wrote in message
...
Not what I have been seeing.
I build systems all the time and it costs me a lot less to buy and
assemble
them then purchasing them ready made.
For example, I built myself a server that had a comparable list price of
$9,000.00.
It only cost me $2,800.00 to build.
My workstation would have cost $4,500.00 easily, but I built it for less
then $3,000.00


"Papa" wrote in message
...
Well, from experience I will have to disagree. If one does a detailed
price
comparison of a high end build-your-own system (purchasing the parts as
cheaply as possible) versus a pre-assembled high end system with the OS
installed, the pre-assembled systems are invariably less expensive - and
more often than not, considerably so.

Regards.

"Michael Stevens" wrote in message
...
Papa wrote:
And that is why computer hobbyist who build their own PCs are
rapidly
disappearing. It's no longer cost effective. You can't possibly buy
the individual parts, plus the OS, for anything close to the price
of
a commercially built system with the OS pre-installed. It was fun
while it lasted.


It is still fun and cheaper if you are building high end systems that
the
price of a full version of XP is the least of the concerns. You are
right
about an entry level system, it is cheaper to purchase a system from
Dell,
HP, Sony, etc. than to build a comparable system.
--

Michael Stevens MS-MVP XP

http://michaelstevenstech.com
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"Mike Brannigan [MSFT]" wrote in
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snip

The price of our products to
OEMs is always different then to the retail channel.
You can buy a $500 dollar PC with an operating system that retail
costs $200. The bare hardware in that PC costs more then $400 so
the OEMs do get a reduced price (for many varied reasons).
Product Activation in OEM versions of Windows and Office ca be
removed from the user perspective and is not visible to anyone, as
we can use what is often referred to as "BIOS Locked" in that the
product does not need to activate as it is locked to the BIOS of
the
PC it is installed to.

Product Activation and new pre-loaded PCs