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Thank you for the info. on Recovery Console - as it says it is for advanced users and if the computer cannot be started in safe mode(as niether of these apply it is totaly useless) incase you didn't notice this is the new users group (not the tech group)wh
y not just tell me to go into regedit and start deleting items ?

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I have 2gigs ddr 400 - free space is 100 gigs on C: about 95 gigs on
D: min and max are the same on both (3069 - 4092) have booted in safe
mode and deleted and replaced (many times) have no idea what RC mode
is but if it is anything like safe mode you really don't want to be
running defrag.

To search on a concept yet unknown, like Recovery Console (RC), searches
will often yield help, like:

- Visit http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbhowto.
- Select "Windows XP" for the product.
- Search on "Recovery Console" (exact phrase).
- See second match in results titled "How to install and use the
Recovery Console in Windows XP".
- A little farther down is the article titled "Description of the
Windows XP Recovery Console".

Or, use Start - Help and Support and search on "recovery console". I
don't know if the defrag.exe program is supported under RC mode. You
can find the Defrag utility, Defrag.exe, in the %SystemRoot%\System32
folder.

By "setting min and max to the same value", I meant to have them set to
the same value for each of them for each pagefile segment defined. For
example, on C: use 2GB for *both* the min and max and on D: also use 2GB
for *both* the min and max, so min = max = 2000.


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Thank you for the info. on Recovery Console - as it says it is for
advanced users and if the computer cannot be started in safe mode(as
niether of these apply it is totaly useless) incase you didn't notice
this is the new users group (not the tech group)why not just tell me
to go into regedit and start deleting items ?

"newusers" does not dictate "no initiative, no persistence, and no
learning". Also, new to Windows XP does NOT also dictate that you are
new to NT-based versions of Windows. I used Windows NT4 for a few
years, then used Windows 2000 for several years, and just migrated to
Windows XP this January, so I was "new" to Windows XP but not
unexperienced regarding NT-based versions of Windows. "newuser" doesn't
necessarily equate to stupid or inexperienced user but merely means new
to the topic suggested by the newsgroup title. If my suggestions are
beyond your level of expertise and you do not wish to enlarge your
expertise then just leave the system as it is because you do currently
have a usable workaround. Not all problems have super simplistic
solutions. If I know of a command-line or GUI program to make registry
changes then I will usually recommend using those since editing the
registry directly is hazardous even for seasoned users because changes
are immediately and there is no undo and sometimes even I forget to
backup the registry or a key before making what might appear to be a
simple change.

The only way I can be absolutely sure that defrag.exe would be allowed
or blocked under RC mode would be to reboot and actually check. That
means I would have to reboot to enter RC mode to test. That is
something I don't need to waste my time on since you can do that effort
yourself. If it fails then it fails (don't expect every suggestion to
pan out) but if it works then I don't need to duplicate the same task
you would perform, anyway. There are way too many more posts to read
other than yours for me to waste rebooting to test. It was a
suggestion. You decide whether to act on it or not. You chose not to.

As to your other reply where you said "... - as for setting both min and
max to the same value good luck (try it you will see)", I've been
setting min=max for virtual memory (i.e., the pagefile) for years ever
since using Windows 2000 (but it has been too long to remember what
settings were available under Windows NT4). In Windows XP, make sure
you click the "Custom" radio checkbox so YOUR settings gets used, and
click the Apply button *before* exiting that dialog (so you see your
entered values show up in the partition list at the top of the dialog
window).

http://www.jsiinc.com/SUBF/TIP2700/rh2733.htm might apply to your
problem. I have not before heard of this particular problem and no one
else has yet chimed into the thread to provide other suggestions. I've
never used the MMC to change the pagefile size but instead have always
used the System applet to configure it.

You are under no obligation to implement my suggestions but also be
aware that anything discussed within newsgroups is at your own risk in
implementing them. This is peer community of users volunteering their
time to help others. It is not Microsoft providing you with free
technical support.

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Thank you for the info. on Recovery Console - as it says it is for
advanced users and if the computer cannot be started in safe mode(as
niether of these apply it is totaly useless) incase you didn't notice
this is the new users group (not the tech group)why not just tell me
to go into regedit and start deleting items ?

"newusers" does not dictate "no initiative, no persistence, and no
learning". Also, new to Windows XP does NOT also dictate that you are
new to NT-based versions of Windows. I used Windows NT4 for a few
years, then used Windows 2000 for several years, and just migrated to
Windows XP this January, so I was "new" to Windows XP but not
unexperienced regarding NT-based versions of Windows. "newuser" doesn't
necessarily equate to stupid or inexperienced user but merely means new
to the topic suggested by the newsgroup title. If my suggestions are
beyond your level of expertise and you do not wish to enlarge your
expertise then just leave the system as it is because you do currently
have a usable workaround. Not all problems have super simplistic
solutions. If I know of a command-line or GUI program to make registry
changes then I will usually recommend using those since editing the
registry directly is hazardous even for seasoned users because changes
are immediately and there is no undo and sometimes even I forget to
backup the registry or a key before making what might appear to be a
simple change.

The only way I can be absolutely sure that defrag.exe would be allowed
or blocked under RC mode would be to reboot and actually check. That
means I would have to reboot to enter RC mode to test. That is
something I don't need to waste my time on since you can do that effort
yourself. If it fails then it fails (don't expect every suggestion to
pan out) but if it works then I don't need to duplicate the same task
you would perform, anyway. There are way too many more posts to read
other than yours for me to waste rebooting to test. It was a
suggestion. You decide whether to act on it or not. You chose not to.

As to your other reply where you said "... - as for setting both min and
max to the same value good luck (try it you will see)", I've been
setting min=max for virtual memory (i.e., the pagefile) for years ever
since using Windows 2000 (but it has been too long to remember what
settings were available under Windows NT4). In Windows XP, make sure
you click the "Custom" radio checkbox so YOUR settings gets used, and
click the Apply button *before* exiting that dialog (so you see your
entered values show up in the partition list at the top of the dialog
window).

http://www.jsiinc.com/SUBF/TIP2700/rh2733.htm might apply to your
problem. I have not before heard of this particular problem and no one
else has yet chimed into the thread to provide other suggestions. I've
never used the MMC to change the pagefile size but instead have always
used the System applet to configure it.

You are under no obligation to implement my suggestions but also be
aware that anything discussed within newsgroups is at your own risk in
implementing them. This is peer community of users volunteering their
time to help others. It is not Microsoft providing you with free
technical support.

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Thank you for the info. on Recovery Console - as it says it is for
advanced users and if the computer cannot be started in safe mode(as
niether of these apply it is totaly useless) incase you didn't notice
this is the new users group (not the tech group)why not just tell me
to go into regedit and start deleting items ?

"newusers" does not dictate "no initiative, no persistence, and no
learning". Also, new to Windows XP does NOT also dictate that you are
new to NT-based versions of Windows. I used Windows NT4 for a few
years, then used Windows 2000 for several years, and just migrated to
Windows XP this January, so I was "new" to Windows XP but not
unexperienced regarding NT-based versions of Windows. "newuser" doesn't
necessarily equate to stupid or inexperienced user but merely means new
to the topic suggested by the newsgroup title. If my suggestions are
beyond your level of expertise and you do not wish to enlarge your
expertise then just leave the system as it is because you do currently
have a usable workaround. Not all problems have super simplistic
solutions. If I know of a command-line or GUI program to make registry
changes then I will usually recommend using those since editing the
registry directly is hazardous even for seasoned users because changes
are immediately and there is no undo and sometimes even I forget to
backup the registry or a key before making what might appear to be a
simple change.

The only way I can be absolutely sure that defrag.exe would be allowed
or blocked under RC mode would be to reboot and actually check. That
means I would have to reboot to enter RC mode to test. That is
something I don't need to waste my time on since you can do that effort
yourself. If it fails then it fails (don't expect every suggestion to
pan out) but if it works then I don't need to duplicate the same task
you would perform, anyway. There are way too many more posts to read
other than yours for me to waste rebooting to test. It was a
suggestion. You decide whether to act on it or not. You chose not to.

As to your other reply where you said "... - as for setting both min and
max to the same value good luck (try it you will see)", I've been
setting min=max for virtual memory (i.e., the pagefile) for years ever
since using Windows 2000 (but it has been too long to remember what
settings were available under Windows NT4). In Windows XP, make sure
you click the "Custom" radio checkbox so YOUR settings gets used, and
click the Apply button *before* exiting that dialog (so you see your
entered values show up in the partition list at the top of the dialog
window).

http://www.jsiinc.com/SUBF/TIP2700/rh2733.htm might apply to your
problem. I have not before heard of this particular problem and no one
else has yet chimed into the thread to provide other suggestions. I've
never used the MMC to change the pagefile size but instead have always
used the System applet to configure it.

You are under no obligation to implement my suggestions but also be
aware that anything discussed within newsgroups is at your own risk in
implementing them. This is peer community of users volunteering their
time to help others. It is not Microsoft providing you with free
technical support.

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I am glad you are a competent computer person ( at what point exactly did anybody mention using MMC to configure the page file) I use the system applet just like you but unlike you I cannot set min and max to the same value as it will not be accepted . By
the way 2gigs is 2048 not 2000 .
Thank you

"*Vanguard*" wrote:

"Don"
wrote in :
Thank you for the info. on Recovery Console - as it says it is for
advanced users and if the computer cannot be started in safe mode(as
niether of these apply it is totaly useless) incase you didn't notice
this is the new users group (not the tech group)why not just tell me
to go into regedit and start deleting items ?

"newusers" does not dictate "no initiative, no persistence, and no
learning". Also, new to Windows XP does NOT also dictate that you are
new to NT-based versions of Windows. I used Windows NT4 for a few
years, then used Windows 2000 for several years, and just migrated to
Windows XP this January, so I was "new" to Windows XP but not
unexperienced regarding NT-based versions of Windows. "newuser" doesn't
necessarily equate to stupid or inexperienced user but merely means new
to the topic suggested by the newsgroup title. If my suggestions are
beyond your level of expertise and you do not wish to enlarge your
expertise then just leave the system as it is because you do currently
have a usable workaround. Not all problems have super simplistic
solutions. If I know of a command-line or GUI program to make registry
changes then I will usually recommend using those since editing the
registry directly is hazardous even for seasoned users because changes
are immediately and there is no undo and sometimes even I forget to
backup the registry or a key before making what might appear to be a
simple change.

The only way I can be absolutely sure that defrag.exe would be allowed
or blocked under RC mode would be to reboot and actually check. That
means I would have to reboot to enter RC mode to test. That is
something I don't need to waste my time on since you can do that effort
yourself. If it fails then it fails (don't expect every suggestion to
pan out) but if it works then I don't need to duplicate the same task
you would perform, anyway. There are way too many more posts to read
other than yours for me to waste rebooting to test. It was a
suggestion. You decide whether to act on it or not. You chose not to.

As to your other reply where you said "... - as for setting both min and
max to the same value good luck (try it you will see)", I've been
setting min=max for virtual memory (i.e., the pagefile) for years ever
since using Windows 2000 (but it has been too long to remember what
settings were available under Windows NT4). In Windows XP, make sure
you click the "Custom" radio checkbox so YOUR settings gets used, and
click the Apply button *before* exiting that dialog (so you see your
entered values show up in the partition list at the top of the dialog
window).

http://www.jsiinc.com/SUBF/TIP2700/rh2733.htm might apply to your
problem. I have not before heard of this particular problem and no one
else has yet chimed into the thread to provide other suggestions. I've
never used the MMC to change the pagefile size but instead have always
used the System applet to configure it.

You are under no obligation to implement my suggestions but also be
aware that anything discussed within newsgroups is at your own risk in
implementing them. This is peer community of users volunteering their
time to help others. It is not Microsoft providing you with free
technical support.

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I am glad you are a competent computer person ( at what point exactly did anybody mention using MMC to configure the page file) I use the system applet just like you but unlike you I cannot set min and max to the same value as it will not be accepted . By
the way 2gigs is 2048 not 2000 .
Thank you

"*Vanguard*" wrote:

"Don"
wrote in :
Thank you for the info. on Recovery Console - as it says it is for
advanced users and if the computer cannot be started in safe mode(as
niether of these apply it is totaly useless) incase you didn't notice
this is the new users group (not the tech group)why not just tell me
to go into regedit and start deleting items ?

"newusers" does not dictate "no initiative, no persistence, and no
learning". Also, new to Windows XP does NOT also dictate that you are
new to NT-based versions of Windows. I used Windows NT4 for a few
years, then used Windows 2000 for several years, and just migrated to
Windows XP this January, so I was "new" to Windows XP but not
unexperienced regarding NT-based versions of Windows. "newuser" doesn't
necessarily equate to stupid or inexperienced user but merely means new
to the topic suggested by the newsgroup title. If my suggestions are
beyond your level of expertise and you do not wish to enlarge your
expertise then just leave the system as it is because you do currently
have a usable workaround. Not all problems have super simplistic
solutions. If I know of a command-line or GUI program to make registry
changes then I will usually recommend using those since editing the
registry directly is hazardous even for seasoned users because changes
are immediately and there is no undo and sometimes even I forget to
backup the registry or a key before making what might appear to be a
simple change.

The only way I can be absolutely sure that defrag.exe would be allowed
or blocked under RC mode would be to reboot and actually check. That
means I would have to reboot to enter RC mode to test. That is
something I don't need to waste my time on since you can do that effort
yourself. If it fails then it fails (don't expect every suggestion to
pan out) but if it works then I don't need to duplicate the same task
you would perform, anyway. There are way too many more posts to read
other than yours for me to waste rebooting to test. It was a
suggestion. You decide whether to act on it or not. You chose not to.

As to your other reply where you said "... - as for setting both min and
max to the same value good luck (try it you will see)", I've been
setting min=max for virtual memory (i.e., the pagefile) for years ever
since using Windows 2000 (but it has been too long to remember what
settings were available under Windows NT4). In Windows XP, make sure
you click the "Custom" radio checkbox so YOUR settings gets used, and
click the Apply button *before* exiting that dialog (so you see your
entered values show up in the partition list at the top of the dialog
window).

http://www.jsiinc.com/SUBF/TIP2700/rh2733.htm might apply to your
problem. I have not before heard of this particular problem and no one
else has yet chimed into the thread to provide other suggestions. I've
never used the MMC to change the pagefile size but instead have always
used the System applet to configure it.

You are under no obligation to implement my suggestions but also be
aware that anything discussed within newsgroups is at your own risk in
implementing them. This is peer community of users volunteering their
time to help others. It is not Microsoft providing you with free
technical support.

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I am glad you are a competent computer person ( at what point exactly did anybody mention using MMC to configure the page file) I use the system applet just like you but unlike you I cannot set min and max to the same value as it will not be accepted . By
the way 2gigs is 2048 not 2000 .
Thank you

"*Vanguard*" wrote:

"Don"
wrote in :
Thank you for the info. on Recovery Console - as it says it is for
advanced users and if the computer cannot be started in safe mode(as
niether of these apply it is totaly useless) incase you didn't notice
this is the new users group (not the tech group)why not just tell me
to go into regedit and start deleting items ?

"newusers" does not dictate "no initiative, no persistence, and no
learning". Also, new to Windows XP does NOT also dictate that you are
new to NT-based versions of Windows. I used Windows NT4 for a few
years, then used Windows 2000 for several years, and just migrated to
Windows XP this January, so I was "new" to Windows XP but not
unexperienced regarding NT-based versions of Windows. "newuser" doesn't
necessarily equate to stupid or inexperienced user but merely means new
to the topic suggested by the newsgroup title. If my suggestions are
beyond your level of expertise and you do not wish to enlarge your
expertise then just leave the system as it is because you do currently
have a usable workaround. Not all problems have super simplistic
solutions. If I know of a command-line or GUI program to make registry
changes then I will usually recommend using those since editing the
registry directly is hazardous even for seasoned users because changes
are immediately and there is no undo and sometimes even I forget to
backup the registry or a key before making what might appear to be a
simple change.

The only way I can be absolutely sure that defrag.exe would be allowed
or blocked under RC mode would be to reboot and actually check. That
means I would have to reboot to enter RC mode to test. That is
something I don't need to waste my time on since you can do that effort
yourself. If it fails then it fails (don't expect every suggestion to
pan out) but if it works then I don't need to duplicate the same task
you would perform, anyway. There are way too many more posts to read
other than yours for me to waste rebooting to test. It was a
suggestion. You decide whether to act on it or not. You chose not to.

As to your other reply where you said "... - as for setting both min and
max to the same value good luck (try it you will see)", I've been
setting min=max for virtual memory (i.e., the pagefile) for years ever
since using Windows 2000 (but it has been too long to remember what
settings were available under Windows NT4). In Windows XP, make sure
you click the "Custom" radio checkbox so YOUR settings gets used, and
click the Apply button *before* exiting that dialog (so you see your
entered values show up in the partition list at the top of the dialog
window).

http://www.jsiinc.com/SUBF/TIP2700/rh2733.htm might apply to your
problem. I have not before heard of this particular problem and no one
else has yet chimed into the thread to provide other suggestions. I've
never used the MMC to change the pagefile size but instead have always
used the System applet to configure it.

You are under no obligation to implement my suggestions but also be
aware that anything discussed within newsgroups is at your own risk in
implementing them. This is peer community of users volunteering their
time to help others. It is not Microsoft providing you with free
technical support.

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I am glad you are a competent computer person ( at what point exactly
did
anybody mention using MMC to configure the page file) I use the
system applet just like you but unlike you I cannot set min and max
to the same value as it will not be accepted . By the way 2gigs is
2048 not 2000 . Thank you

I used 2000 as an *EXAMPLE*. There is no requirement to select a size
which is a multiple or power of 2. You could set it to 1039 if you like
which is a prime number so obviously it is not divisible by 2. You
could set the pagefile on C: as low as what is your physical system RAM
plus 12MB for a dump file (but if you disable the dump on crash then you
don't even need that much) since Windows will prefer to use the pagefile
on a partition other than the boot partition (where Windows loads from).
The standing recommendation is to set the pagefile to 1.5 times your
system RAM, but since you are slicing it up across drives then only the
aggregate of those pagefiles needs to equal that recommendation.

Other than forgetting to click Set and Apply before exiting the dialog
window for changing the virtual memory parameters, I haven't seen nor
even heard of the problem you reported. You never divulged what
interface you were using to set the min and max for pagefile size. My
first assumption was that you were using the System applet. However, I
later found mention that the Computer Management MMC could also be used
but might incur a problem (which was noted for under Windows 2000 but
most of what applies to Windows 2000 also applies to Windows XP). Since
you didn't mention how you were setting pagefile parameters, I covered
whatever methods might be available. Even if we are standing at your
front door and you claim the doors are locked, it is not unreasonable to
ask if you also locked the back door. It is also possible you edited
the registry or used a tweak utility, like X-Setup.

You also never divulged having already ran a full scan using a recently
updated anti-virus program and scanning for spyware and malware using
products like Ad-Aware, Spybot, CWShredder, or other such tools.
Although you may get irritated that I ask if you ran these since they
would seem obvious, many users do post about problems but never checked
for viruses, trojans, hijackers, or other malware.

Guess you're on your own from here on out. Hope you solve the problem
yourself without requiring a reformat and fresh reinstall.

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I am glad you are a competent computer person ( at what point exactly
did
anybody mention using MMC to configure the page file) I use the
system applet just like you but unlike you I cannot set min and max
to the same value as it will not be accepted . By the way 2gigs is
2048 not 2000 . Thank you

I used 2000 as an *EXAMPLE*. There is no requirement to select a size
which is a multiple or power of 2. You could set it to 1039 if you like
which is a prime number so obviously it is not divisible by 2. You
could set the pagefile on C: as low as what is your physical system RAM
plus 12MB for a dump file (but if you disable the dump on crash then you
don't even need that much) since Windows will prefer to use the pagefile
on a partition other than the boot partition (where Windows loads from).
The standing recommendation is to set the pagefile to 1.5 times your
system RAM, but since you are slicing it up across drives then only the
aggregate of those pagefiles needs to equal that recommendation.

Other than forgetting to click Set and Apply before exiting the dialog
window for changing the virtual memory parameters, I haven't seen nor
even heard of the problem you reported. You never divulged what
interface you were using to set the min and max for pagefile size. My
first assumption was that you were using the System applet. However, I
later found mention that the Computer Management MMC could also be used
but might incur a problem (which was noted for under Windows 2000 but
most of what applies to Windows 2000 also applies to Windows XP). Since
you didn't mention how you were setting pagefile parameters, I covered
whatever methods might be available. Even if we are standing at your
front door and you claim the doors are locked, it is not unreasonable to
ask if you also locked the back door. It is also possible you edited
the registry or used a tweak utility, like X-Setup.

You also never divulged having already ran a full scan using a recently
updated anti-virus program and scanning for spyware and malware using
products like Ad-Aware, Spybot, CWShredder, or other such tools.
Although you may get irritated that I ask if you ran these since they
would seem obvious, many users do post about problems but never checked
for viruses, trojans, hijackers, or other malware.

Guess you're on your own from here on out. Hope you solve the problem
yourself without requiring a reformat and fresh reinstall.

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I am glad you are a competent computer person ( at what point exactly
did
anybody mention using MMC to configure the page file) I use the
system applet just like you but unlike you I cannot set min and max
to the same value as it will not be accepted . By the way 2gigs is
2048 not 2000 . Thank you

I used 2000 as an *EXAMPLE*. There is no requirement to select a size
which is a multiple or power of 2. You could set it to 1039 if you like
which is a prime number so obviously it is not divisible by 2. You
could set the pagefile on C: as low as what is your physical system RAM
plus 12MB for a dump file (but if you disable the dump on crash then you
don't even need that much) since Windows will prefer to use the pagefile
on a partition other than the boot partition (where Windows loads from).
The standing recommendation is to set the pagefile to 1.5 times your
system RAM, but since you are slicing it up across drives then only the
aggregate of those pagefiles needs to equal that recommendation.

Other than forgetting to click Set and Apply before exiting the dialog
window for changing the virtual memory parameters, I haven't seen nor
even heard of the problem you reported. You never divulged what
interface you were using to set the min and max for pagefile size. My
first assumption was that you were using the System applet. However, I
later found mention that the Computer Management MMC could also be used
but might incur a problem (which was noted for under Windows 2000 but
most of what applies to Windows 2000 also applies to Windows XP). Since
you didn't mention how you were setting pagefile parameters, I covered
whatever methods might be available. Even if we are standing at your
front door and you claim the doors are locked, it is not unreasonable to
ask if you also locked the back door. It is also possible you edited
the registry or used a tweak utility, like X-Setup.

You also never divulged having already ran a full scan using a recently
updated anti-virus program and scanning for spyware and malware using
products like Ad-Aware, Spybot, CWShredder, or other such tools.
Although you may get irritated that I ask if you ran these since they
would seem obvious, many users do post about problems but never checked
for viruses, trojans, hijackers, or other malware.

Guess you're on your own from here on out. Hope you solve the problem
yourself without requiring a reformat and fresh reinstall.

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Don

If you really are a new user, stick to new user tasks and leave alone
anything that suggests 'advanced'.. when changing user configurables, if
they do not change as suggested, maybe you are doing something wrong.. even
if you were, I think that you would be the last to admit to it, maybe..

From another post of yours ".. have read a lot on the help pages etc. and
have configured it to recommended settings ." .. I would suggest that you
continue to read help pages as you seem unable to be civil with anybody that
tries to help you..

Mike

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I am glad you are a competent computer person ( at what point exactly did
anybody mention using MMC to configure the page file) I use the system
applet just like you but unlike you I cannot set min and max to the same
value as it will not be accepted . By the way 2gigs is 2048 not 2000 .
Thank you

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"Don"
wrote in :
Thank you for the info. on Recovery Console - as it says it is for
advanced users and if the computer cannot be started in safe mode(as
niether of these apply it is totaly useless) incase you didn't notice
this is the new users group (not the tech group)why not just tell me
to go into regedit and start deleting items ?

"newusers" does not dictate "no initiative, no persistence, and no
learning". Also, new to Windows XP does NOT also dictate that you are
new to NT-based versions of Windows. I used Windows NT4 for a few
years, then used Windows 2000 for several years, and just migrated to
Windows XP this January, so I was "new" to Windows XP but not
unexperienced regarding NT-based versions of Windows. "newuser" doesn't
necessarily equate to stupid or inexperienced user but merely means new
to the topic suggested by the newsgroup title. If my suggestions are
beyond your level of expertise and you do not wish to enlarge your
expertise then just leave the system as it is because you do currently
have a usable workaround. Not all problems have super simplistic
solutions. If I know of a command-line or GUI program to make registry
changes then I will usually recommend using those since editing the
registry directly is hazardous even for seasoned users because changes
are immediately and there is no undo and sometimes even I forget to
backup the registry or a key before making what might appear to be a
simple change.

The only way I can be absolutely sure that defrag.exe would be allowed
or blocked under RC mode would be to reboot and actually check. That
means I would have to reboot to enter RC mode to test. That is
something I don't need to waste my time on since you can do that effort
yourself. If it fails then it fails (don't expect every suggestion to
pan out) but if it works then I don't need to duplicate the same task
you would perform, anyway. There are way too many more posts to read
other than yours for me to waste rebooting to test. It was a
suggestion. You decide whether to act on it or not. You chose not to.

As to your other reply where you said "... - as for setting both min and
max to the same value good luck (try it you will see)", I've been
setting min=max for virtual memory (i.e., the pagefile) for years ever
since using Windows 2000 (but it has been too long to remember what
settings were available under Windows NT4). In Windows XP, make sure
you click the "Custom" radio checkbox so YOUR settings gets used, and
click the Apply button *before* exiting that dialog (so you see your
entered values show up in the partition list at the top of the dialog
window).

http://www.jsiinc.com/SUBF/TIP2700/rh2733.htm might apply to your
problem. I have not before heard of this particular problem and no one
else has yet chimed into the thread to provide other suggestions. I've
never used the MMC to change the pagefile size but instead have always
used the System applet to configure it.

You are under no obligation to implement my suggestions but also be
aware that anything discussed within newsgroups is at your own risk in
implementing them. This is peer community of users volunteering their
time to help others. It is not Microsoft providing you with free
technical support.

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Don

If you really are a new user, stick to new user tasks and leave alone
anything that suggests 'advanced'.. when changing user configurables, if
they do not change as suggested, maybe you are doing something wrong.. even
if you were, I think that you would be the last to admit to it, maybe..

From another post of yours ".. have read a lot on the help pages etc. and
have configured it to recommended settings ." .. I would suggest that you
continue to read help pages as you seem unable to be civil with anybody that
tries to help you..

Mike

"Don" wrote in message
...
I am glad you are a competent computer person ( at what point exactly did
anybody mention using MMC to configure the page file) I use the system
applet just like you but unlike you I cannot set min and max to the same
value as it will not be accepted . By the way 2gigs is 2048 not 2000 .
Thank you

"*Vanguard*" wrote:

"Don"
wrote in :
Thank you for the info. on Recovery Console - as it says it is for
advanced users and if the computer cannot be started in safe mode(as
niether of these apply it is totaly useless) incase you didn't notice
this is the new users group (not the tech group)why not just tell me
to go into regedit and start deleting items ?

"newusers" does not dictate "no initiative, no persistence, and no
learning". Also, new to Windows XP does NOT also dictate that you are
new to NT-based versions of Windows. I used Windows NT4 for a few
years, then used Windows 2000 for several years, and just migrated to
Windows XP this January, so I was "new" to Windows XP but not
unexperienced regarding NT-based versions of Windows. "newuser" doesn't
necessarily equate to stupid or inexperienced user but merely means new
to the topic suggested by the newsgroup title. If my suggestions are
beyond your level of expertise and you do not wish to enlarge your
expertise then just leave the system as it is because you do currently
have a usable workaround. Not all problems have super simplistic
solutions. If I know of a command-line or GUI program to make registry
changes then I will usually recommend using those since editing the
registry directly is hazardous even for seasoned users because changes
are immediately and there is no undo and sometimes even I forget to
backup the registry or a key before making what might appear to be a
simple change.

The only way I can be absolutely sure that defrag.exe would be allowed
or blocked under RC mode would be to reboot and actually check. That
means I would have to reboot to enter RC mode to test. That is
something I don't need to waste my time on since you can do that effort
yourself. If it fails then it fails (don't expect every suggestion to
pan out) but if it works then I don't need to duplicate the same task
you would perform, anyway. There are way too many more posts to read
other than yours for me to waste rebooting to test. It was a
suggestion. You decide whether to act on it or not. You chose not to.

As to your other reply where you said "... - as for setting both min and
max to the same value good luck (try it you will see)", I've been
setting min=max for virtual memory (i.e., the pagefile) for years ever
since using Windows 2000 (but it has been too long to remember what
settings were available under Windows NT4). In Windows XP, make sure
you click the "Custom" radio checkbox so YOUR settings gets used, and
click the Apply button *before* exiting that dialog (so you see your
entered values show up in the partition list at the top of the dialog
window).

http://www.jsiinc.com/SUBF/TIP2700/rh2733.htm might apply to your
problem. I have not before heard of this particular problem and no one
else has yet chimed into the thread to provide other suggestions. I've
never used the MMC to change the pagefile size but instead have always
used the System applet to configure it.

You are under no obligation to implement my suggestions but also be
aware that anything discussed within newsgroups is at your own risk in
implementing them. This is peer community of users volunteering their
time to help others. It is not Microsoft providing you with free
technical support.

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Don

If you really are a new user, stick to new user tasks and leave alone
anything that suggests 'advanced'.. when changing user configurables, if
they do not change as suggested, maybe you are doing something wrong.. even
if you were, I think that you would be the last to admit to it, maybe..

From another post of yours ".. have read a lot on the help pages etc. and
have configured it to recommended settings ." .. I would suggest that you
continue to read help pages as you seem unable to be civil with anybody that
tries to help you..

Mike

"Don" wrote in message
...
I am glad you are a competent computer person ( at what point exactly did
anybody mention using MMC to configure the page file) I use the system
applet just like you but unlike you I cannot set min and max to the same
value as it will not be accepted . By the way 2gigs is 2048 not 2000 .
Thank you

"*Vanguard*" wrote:

"Don"
wrote in :
Thank you for the info. on Recovery Console - as it says it is for
advanced users and if the computer cannot be started in safe mode(as
niether of these apply it is totaly useless) incase you didn't notice
this is the new users group (not the tech group)why not just tell me
to go into regedit and start deleting items ?

"newusers" does not dictate "no initiative, no persistence, and no
learning". Also, new to Windows XP does NOT also dictate that you are
new to NT-based versions of Windows. I used Windows NT4 for a few
years, then used Windows 2000 for several years, and just migrated to
Windows XP this January, so I was "new" to Windows XP but not
unexperienced regarding NT-based versions of Windows. "newuser" doesn't
necessarily equate to stupid or inexperienced user but merely means new
to the topic suggested by the newsgroup title. If my suggestions are
beyond your level of expertise and you do not wish to enlarge your
expertise then just leave the system as it is because you do currently
have a usable workaround. Not all problems have super simplistic
solutions. If I know of a command-line or GUI program to make registry
changes then I will usually recommend using those since editing the
registry directly is hazardous even for seasoned users because changes
are immediately and there is no undo and sometimes even I forget to
backup the registry or a key before making what might appear to be a
simple change.

The only way I can be absolutely sure that defrag.exe would be allowed
or blocked under RC mode would be to reboot and actually check. That
means I would have to reboot to enter RC mode to test. That is
something I don't need to waste my time on since you can do that effort
yourself. If it fails then it fails (don't expect every suggestion to
pan out) but if it works then I don't need to duplicate the same task
you would perform, anyway. There are way too many more posts to read
other than yours for me to waste rebooting to test. It was a
suggestion. You decide whether to act on it or not. You chose not to.

As to your other reply where you said "... - as for setting both min and
max to the same value good luck (try it you will see)", I've been
setting min=max for virtual memory (i.e., the pagefile) for years ever
since using Windows 2000 (but it has been too long to remember what
settings were available under Windows NT4). In Windows XP, make sure
you click the "Custom" radio checkbox so YOUR settings gets used, and
click the Apply button *before* exiting that dialog (so you see your
entered values show up in the partition list at the top of the dialog
window).

http://www.jsiinc.com/SUBF/TIP2700/rh2733.htm might apply to your
problem. I have not before heard of this particular problem and no one
else has yet chimed into the thread to provide other suggestions. I've
never used the MMC to change the pagefile size but instead have always
used the System applet to configure it.

You are under no obligation to implement my suggestions but also be
aware that anything discussed within newsgroups is at your own risk in
implementing them. This is peer community of users volunteering their
time to help others. It is not Microsoft providing you with free
technical support.

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If you are going to offer advice to somebody at least be accurate - it was a simple question to begin with now it is a book.

"*Vanguard*" wrote:

"Don"
wrote in :
I am glad you are a competent computer person ( at what point exactly
did
anybody mention using MMC to configure the page file) I use the
system applet just like you but unlike you I cannot set min and max
to the same value as it will not be accepted . By the way 2gigs is
2048 not 2000 . Thank you

I used 2000 as an *EXAMPLE*. There is no requirement to select a size
which is a multiple or power of 2. You could set it to 1039 if you like
which is a prime number so obviously it is not divisible by 2. You
could set the pagefile on C: as low as what is your physical system RAM
plus 12MB for a dump file (but if you disable the dump on crash then you
don't even need that much) since Windows will prefer to use the pagefile
on a partition other than the boot partition (where Windows loads from).
The standing recommendation is to set the pagefile to 1.5 times your
system RAM, but since you are slicing it up across drives then only the
aggregate of those pagefiles needs to equal that recommendation.

Other than forgetting to click Set and Apply before exiting the dialog
window for changing the virtual memory parameters, I haven't seen nor
even heard of the problem you reported. You never divulged what
interface you were using to set the min and max for pagefile size. My
first assumption was that you were using the System applet. However, I
later found mention that the Computer Management MMC could also be used
but might incur a problem (which was noted for under Windows 2000 but
most of what applies to Windows 2000 also applies to Windows XP). Since
you didn't mention how you were setting pagefile parameters, I covered
whatever methods might be available. Even if we are standing at your
front door and you claim the doors are locked, it is not unreasonable to
ask if you also locked the back door. It is also possible you edited
the registry or used a tweak utility, like X-Setup.

You also never divulged having already ran a full scan using a recently
updated anti-virus program and scanning for spyware and malware using
products like Ad-Aware, Spybot, CWShredder, or other such tools.
Although you may get irritated that I ask if you ran these since they
would seem obvious, many users do post about problems but never checked
for viruses, trojans, hijackers, or other malware.

Guess you're on your own from here on out. Hope you solve the problem
yourself without requiring a reformat and fresh reinstall.

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"*Vanguard*" wrote:

"Don"
wrote in :
I am glad you are a competent computer person ( at what point exactly
did
anybody mention using MMC to configure the page file) I use the
system applet just like you but unlike you I cannot set min and max
to the same value as it will not be accepted . By the way 2gigs is
2048 not 2000 . Thank you

I used 2000 as an *EXAMPLE*. There is no requirement to select a size
which is a multiple or power of 2. You could set it to 1039 if you like
which is a prime number so obviously it is not divisible by 2. You
could set the pagefile on C: as low as what is your physical system RAM
plus 12MB for a dump file (but if you disable the dump on crash then you
don't even need that much) since Windows will prefer to use the pagefile
on a partition other than the boot partition (where Windows loads from).
The standing recommendation is to set the pagefile to 1.5 times your
system RAM, but since you are slicing it up across drives then only the
aggregate of those pagefiles needs to equal that recommendation.

Other than forgetting to click Set and Apply before exiting the dialog
window for changing the virtual memory parameters, I haven't seen nor
even heard of the problem you reported. You never divulged what
interface you were using to set the min and max for pagefile size. My
first assumption was that you were using the System applet. However, I
later found mention that the Computer Management MMC could also be used
but might incur a problem (which was noted for under Windows 2000 but
most of what applies to Windows 2000 also applies to Windows XP). Since
you didn't mention how you were setting pagefile parameters, I covered
whatever methods might be available. Even if we are standing at your
front door and you claim the doors are locked, it is not unreasonable to
ask if you also locked the back door. It is also possible you edited
the registry or used a tweak utility, like X-Setup.

You also never divulged having already ran a full scan using a recently
updated anti-virus program and scanning for spyware and malware using
products like Ad-Aware, Spybot, CWShredder, or other such tools.
Although you may get irritated that I ask if you ran these since they
would seem obvious, many users do post about problems but never checked
for viruses, trojans, hijackers, or other malware.

Guess you're on your own from here on out. Hope you solve the problem
yourself without requiring a reformat and fresh reinstall.

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