All I want to do is bring a file from WinXP over to the iPad

All I want to do is bring two MP4 files from WinXP to iOS 7.1.1 iPad.
http://i.imgur.com/FO0rSM8.jpg

It's not "my" WinXP machine, and the owner decidedly doesn't want to
install iTunes (for all the reasons everyone already knows so we
certainly don't need to hash them out here for the umpteenth time).

I only need a couple of roughly 1GB MP4 files copied over from WinXP
SP3 to the iPad by the easiest way possible. Both devices are on the
same local subnet.

When I connect the iPad to the WinXP machine by USB cable, the iPad
shows up, but the document hierarchy (particularly that of VLC) does
not show up. (http://i.imgur.com/FO0rSM8.jpg)

On the iPad, it keeps asking to trust this computer (which I have OK'd
very many times - but the iPad just keeps asking and asking and asking).

If bluetooth works on the iPad, or if WiFi works on the iPad, I'd be
very happy, just as happy if the USB cable would just work on the iPad.

This task should have taken about a minute, but after a half hour of
trying, I still haven't been able to mount the iPad onto WinXP to
copy the two MP4 files over.

If all I want to do is bring over a couple of MP4 files from WinXP
SP3 to the iPad VLC private documents directory, what's the easiest
way to accomplish this when both devices are on the same network?

Werner Obermeier wrote:
All I want to do is bring two MP4 files from WinXP to iOS 7.1.1 iPad.
http://i.imgur.com/FO0rSM8.jpg

It's not "my" WinXP machine, and the owner decidedly doesn't want to
install iTunes (for all the reasons everyone already knows so we
certainly don't need to hash them out here for the umpteenth time).

I only need a couple of roughly 1GB MP4 files copied over from WinXP
SP3 to the iPad by the easiest way possible. Both devices are on the
same local subnet.

When I connect the iPad to the WinXP machine by USB cable, the iPad
shows up, but the document hierarchy (particularly that of VLC) does
not show up. (http://i.imgur.com/FO0rSM8.jpg)

On the iPad, it keeps asking to trust this computer (which I have OK'd
very many times - but the iPad just keeps asking and asking and asking).

If bluetooth works on the iPad, or if WiFi works on the iPad, I'd be
very happy, just as happy if the USB cable would just work on the iPad.

This task should have taken about a minute, but after a half hour of
trying, I still haven't been able to mount the iPad onto WinXP to
copy the two MP4 files over.

If all I want to do is bring over a couple of MP4 files from WinXP
SP3 to the iPad VLC private documents directory, what's the easiest
way to accomplish this when both devices are on the same network?


Dropbox or some other cloud service should do it.

Ed

Ed Cryer wrote in :

Dropbox or some other cloud service should do it.

Seems like intense overkill for traveling five inches.

Using dropbox for a simple file transfer is sort of like dropping
a nuclear bomb on a gopher hole. Sure, it works, but it's overkill.

What I'm really looking for is an MTP driver for Windows that works
just like it does on Linux.

On Linux, it's this easy:
1. You connect the iPad to the USB port of the Linux machine.
2. Automatically, the iPad is mounted as two mount points.
3. You copy (or move) the files from Linux into VLC on the iPad.

It's that easy, on Linux, because of the MTP drivers.
It's not that easy on Windows, for some strange reason.

So, what I'm really looking for are just the Windows XP MTP drivers.

On Sun, 2 Aug 2015 13:49:51 +0000 (UTC), Werner Obermeier
wrote:

Ed Cryer wrote in :

Dropbox or some other cloud service should do it.

Seems like intense overkill for traveling five inches.

Using dropbox for a simple file transfer is sort of like dropping
a nuclear bomb on a gopher hole. Sure, it works, but it's overkill.

What I'm really looking for is an MTP driver for Windows that works
just like it does on Linux.

On Linux, it's this easy:
1. You connect the iPad to the USB port of the Linux machine.
2. Automatically, the iPad is mounted as two mount points.
3. You copy (or move) the files from Linux into VLC on the iPad.

It's that easy, on Linux, because of the MTP drivers.
It's not that easy on Windows, for some strange reason.

So, what I'm really looking for are just the Windows XP MTP drivers.

You seem to be opposed to any idea that isn't exactly how you think it
should work. Why are you so against using the program/drivers
intended for your need? (Yes, the drivers get installed with iTunes.)
Just install iTunes, use it to get the job done, and then delete it.
It is not some monster that destroys computers. Many love it. Some
hate it - just like any other software package. I think it is bloated
and easily confuses non-tech users, but it works and can do what you
need for free. A lot of the other ideas presented here work, too. Or,
you can just keep complaining about how stupid everything is. Your
choice.

Pat wrote in :

You seem to be opposed to any idea that isn't exactly how you think it
should work. Why are you so against using the program/drivers
intended for your need? (Yes, the drivers get installed with iTunes.)

I don't really want to go into the rathole of why iTunes is the wrong
answer, just as the cloud is the wrong answer, when all you really want
to do is copy two files from someone else's Windows XP PC to your iPad.

Remember, it's trivial to do this using Android.
And, it's even trivialier (if that's a word) to do this with Linux.

On Android and on Linux, you have copied the file over in about the
time it takes to move the mouse.

Why should it be any more difficult with Windows?

Just install iTunes, use it to get the job done, and then delete it.

You have no idea what iTunes is, if you say "then delete it", but, I
do not want to go down that rathole because saying "delete it" is like
saying to just clean up after a nuclear disaster with handy wipes.

It is not some monster that destroys computers. Many love it. Some
hate it - just like any other software package. I think it is bloated
and easily confuses non-tech users, but it works and can do what you
need for free.

I should be able to copy a file from Windows to the iPad in about the
time that it takes to connect the cable and move the mouse.

Remember, it is already that easy to copy files from and to Linux
from and to the iPad, and it's already just as easy to do with
Android.

So why should interfacing only the iPad with Windows be horridly complex?

A lot of the other ideas presented here work, too. Or,
you can just keep complaining about how stupid everything is.
Your choice.

You have absolutely no grasp of the problem set if you think I'm
complaining.

I'm looking for a solution that is even simpler than the solution
I already affected this morning, which was sneakernet.

Clearly iTunes is NOT a solution as simple as sneakernet, and neither
is the cloud.

Sneakernet worked, but it required the use of a USB stick plus a
second (Linux) laptop.

All I'm asking for is someone with *experience* transferring files
from and to the iPad from and to Windows in the time that it takes
to connect the two devices and move the mouse. That's all.

Clearly you have no experience with that, but I do. It's trivial.
At least with Linux it's trivial. And with Android it's trivial.

I'm just trying to *solve the problem* for Windows.

Three viable solutions have been suggested:
1. MTP drivers for Windows (just like Linux already does handily)
2. Bluetooth between Windows & the iPad (just like Android does)
3. WiFi transfer between Windows & the iPad (just like Android does)

Does *anyone* have experience with those three viable solutions yet?

In article , Werner Obermeier
wrote:

On Android and on Linux, you have copied the file over in about the
time it takes to move the mouse.

on ios you don't even have to move the mouse.

set it to automatically sync and it just works.
set it to sync over wifi and don't even need to fuss with cables.

Why should it be any more difficult with Windows?

because you're making it more difficult.

you're also trolling.

On 2015-08-02 10:33, Werner Obermeier wrote:
Pat wrote in :

You seem to be opposed to any idea that isn't exactly how you think it
should work. Why are you so against using the program/drivers
intended for your need? (Yes, the drivers get installed with iTunes.)

I don't really want to go into the rathole of why iTunes is the wrong
answer,

That would be inconvenient since it is in fact the right answer.

On 2015-08-02 14:33:45 +0000, Werner Obermeier said:

Pat wrote in :

You seem to be opposed to any idea that isn't exactly how you think it
should work. Why are you so against using the program/drivers
intended for your need? (Yes, the drivers get installed with iTunes.)

I don't really want to go into the rathole of why iTunes is the wrong
answer, just as the cloud is the wrong answer, when all you really want
to do is copy two files from someone else's Windows XP PC to your iPad.

Remember, it's trivial to do this using Android.
And, it's even trivialier (if that's a word) to do this with Linux.

Why is it that all Android and Linux evangelists who poke their noses
into non-Android and non-Linux forums, allegedly seeking a solution to
a problem, refuse to accept the simplest and best solutions?

....even more amazing is they all seem to use the same verbiage with
words such as "trivial".

--
Regards,

Savageduck

In article , Werner Obermeier
wrote:

Why should it be any more difficult with Windows?

Ask Microsoft.

Just install iTunes, use it to get the job done, and then delete it.

You have no idea what iTunes is, if you say "then delete it", but, I
do not want to go down that rathole because saying "delete it" is like
saying to just clean up after a nuclear disaster with handy wipes.

You have demonstrated repeatedly that you like to do things the hard
way rather than the easy way, so why should deleting iTunes be any
different? Of course, you would do it the hard way.

Stormin' Norman wrote in
:

Geez, well why not just transfer them to the Linux box
and then to the iPad. Do you wish to make a career out
of this or are you just trying to transfer a couple of
files on an ad hoc basis?

There are two types of problems.
1. Problems that you need to solve now, and,
2. Problems that you have time to solve later.

This thread started as type 1, but now has become type 2
since that's *exactly* what I did.

At this point, if you have *experience* (or viable suggestions)
for solving the WINDOWS file transfer problem between Windows
and the iPad, now is the time to suggest it.

These are the viable options suggested so far for Windows to
iPad simple file transfer from a guest Windows PC to iPad.

1. MTP drivers on Windows (kindly suggested by Mayayana)
2. Bluetooth between Windows & iOS (nobody suggested how yet)
3. WiFi between Windows & iOS (nobody suggested how yet)
4. Evernote (kindly suggested by Alan Browne)
5. iMazing (kindly suggested by Savageduck)
6. USB iPad hardware (kindly suggested by Big Al)

| I get it, you are moving the target and pulling the chains of the group on
an off-topic exercise. Roger that.
|

He's been clear all along. He wants to know
if there's a simple way to be able to transfer
files between Windows and iPad, with a minimum
of rigmarole. It's a common sense request for
functionality that should, by common sense,
exist. Yet hordes of people are jumping in to
tell him he's being stubborn for not using "his
iCloud" or email, for not installing iTunes on
the PC, or using some other method that's more
complicated.

iTunes is an especially bad idea. It installs
something like 4 processes to run at boot and
call home, without asking. There's simply no
excuse for needing that kind of crap in order
to transfer files.

In article , Mayayana
wrote:

He's been clear all along. He wants to know if there's a simple way
to be able to transfer files between Windows and iPad, with a minimum
of rigmarole. It's a common sense request for functionality that
should, by common sense, exist.

It does exist; it's called "iTunes".

In article , Mayayana
wrote:

He's been clear all along. He wants to know
if there's a simple way to be able to transfer
files between Windows and iPad, with a minimum
of rigmarole.

there is a very simple way, but he refuses to use it.

It's a common sense request for
functionality that should, by common sense,
exist. Yet hordes of people are jumping in to
tell him he's being stubborn for not using "his
iCloud" or email, for not installing iTunes on
the PC,

only because he *is* being stubborn and stupid.

or using some other method that's more
complicated.

itunes is by far the simplest, easiest and most straightforward method.

it's literally one click (or no clicks if configured that way). that's
*it*. not only that, but it doesn't even need a usb cable.

iTunes is an especially bad idea. It installs
something like 4 processes to run at boot and
call home, without asking. There's simply no
excuse for needing that kind of crap in order
to transfer files.

itunes does *much* more than transfer files.

it also does *not* phone home without asking and the processes you
claim it installs *adds* to the functionality of the computer, such as
bonjour.

On 8/2/15 10:39 AM, Mayayana wrote:
| I get it, you are moving the target and pulling the chains of the group on
an off-topic exercise. Roger that.
|

He's been clear all along. He wants to know
if there's a simple way to be able to transfer
files between Windows and iPad, with a minimum
of rigmarole. It's a common sense request for
functionality that should, by common sense,
exist. Yet hordes of people are jumping in to
tell him he's being stubborn for not using "his
iCloud" or email, for not installing iTunes on
the PC, or using some other method that's more
complicated.

I've got to agree here, and I'd ask a similar question. I'm glad you
posted that link for drivers in another post, give me one more thing to
investigate I don't have time to do. LOL

I find it interesting... You always hear about "Apple fanbois" who say
Apple is the answer for everything. In their own way, those who are
insisting iTunes is the only way are exhibiting their own "fanboi"
attitude, I.E. "that's the only way to do it".

When in truth, the question is "Is there another way to do it?" I don't
know if Werner is a troll or not, but I'm interested in the answer to
his question. Ergo my thanks above for your other post. It may not be
an answer that will work for me, but I'll have learned something. :-)

What I've observed over time is the computer world is infested with
"fanbois" of all types, from operating systems to software. You can't
escape them, and I liken them to the Chevy vs. Ford fanatics. Nothing
but their preferred XXXXXXXX will ever suit them.

iTunes is an especially bad idea. It installs
something like 4 processes to run at boot and
call home, without asking. There's simply no
excuse for needing that kind of crap in order
to transfer files.


--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 36.0.4
Thunderbird 31.5
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

Werner Obermeier wrote on 8/2/2015 1:48 AM:
All I want to do is bring two MP4 files from WinXP to iOS 7.1.1 iPad.
http://i.imgur.com/FO0rSM8.jpg

It's not "my" WinXP machine, and the owner decidedly doesn't want to
install iTunes (for all the reasons everyone already knows so we
certainly don't need to hash them out here for the umpteenth time).

I only need a couple of roughly 1GB MP4 files copied over from WinXP
SP3 to the iPad by the easiest way possible. Both devices are on the
same local subnet.

When I connect the iPad to the WinXP machine by USB cable, the iPad
shows up, but the document hierarchy (particularly that of VLC) does
not show up. (http://i.imgur.com/FO0rSM8.jpg)

On the iPad, it keeps asking to trust this computer (which I have OK'd
very many times - but the iPad just keeps asking and asking and asking).

If bluetooth works on the iPad, or if WiFi works on the iPad, I'd be
very happy, just as happy if the USB cable would just work on the iPad.

This task should have taken about a minute, but after a half hour of
trying, I still haven't been able to mount the iPad onto WinXP to
copy the two MP4 files over.

If all I want to do is bring over a couple of MP4 files from WinXP
SP3 to the iPad VLC private documents directory, what's the easiest
way to accomplish this when both devices are on the same network?

Can you put them on a USB on the iPad? I know the XP has USB ports, so you can easily put it on a thumb drive. You
just need the usb adapter for the iPad.

I like the cloud idea though.