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"Identical" accounts on networked computers
This past week there were a few replies posted here to messages regarding
the visibility of small (2-3 computers) , home networked "places" that stated there "NEEDS/MUST" be "identical user accounts" on all systems in order for the systems to 'see' each other. I had a similar problem so I tried that suggestion - to no avail. I deleted/removed the accounts back to a single user, non-passworded system. The cure/answer to my particular issues was a service not starting. What is all this about 'needing' identical accounts running on networked computers? Obviously, it's NOT needed! |
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"Identical" accounts on networked computers
I agree that you don't usually need to have an identical user account
on a second networked system to see a shared resource on that system, provided that you are not attached to a Domain (i.e. you are using Workgroup sharing). If you are attached to a Domain, I believe that you can't see, let alone share, files on a system unless you are either an individual user which the system recognises or a member of a defined group of users that the system recognises. Even if you are not attached to a Domain, you may have difficulty browsing to a networked system that is in a different Workgroup, though you will usually be able to address it "by name". On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 07:43:17 -0700, "Tony Allen" wrote: This past week there were a few replies posted here to messages regarding the visibility of small (2-3 computers) , home networked "places" that stated there "NEEDS/MUST" be "identical user accounts" on all systems in order for the systems to 'see' each other. I had a similar problem so I tried that suggestion - to no avail. I deleted/removed the accounts back to a single user, non-passworded system. The cure/answer to my particular issues was a service not starting. What is all this about 'needing' identical accounts running on networked computers? Obviously, it's NOT needed! Please respond to the Newsgroup, so that others may benefit from the exchange. Peter R. Fletcher |
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On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 07:43:17 -0700, "Tony Allen" *email_address_deleted*
wrote: This past week there were a few replies posted here to messages regarding the visibility of small (2-3 computers) , home networked "places" that stated there "NEEDS/MUST" be "identical user accounts" on all systems in order for the systems to 'see' each other. I had a similar problem so I tried that suggestion - to no avail. I deleted/removed the accounts back to a single user, non-passworded system. The cure/answer to my particular issues was a service not starting. What is all this about 'needing' identical accounts running on networked computers? Obviously, it's NOT needed! Tony, Network access to resources in Windows systems requires some type of authentication. In most cases, this requires matching accounts / passwords. When people complain of problems with network access, that is one of the easiest diagnoses. More about file sharing, between all different versions of Windows: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=87c0a6db-aef8-4bef-925e-7ac9be791028&DisplayLang=en You have posted here so many articles, it's hard to keep track of your problems. Are you still having problems, or is everything resolved? BTW, Tony, please don't contribute to the spread and success of email address mining viruses. Learn to munge your email address properly, to keep yourself a bit safer when posting to open forums. Protect yourself and the rest of the internet - read this article. http://www.mailmsg.com/SPAM_munging.htm Cheers, Chuck Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing. |
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Everything solved.
Computer Browser service was not (for some unknown reason) starting from 'Manual'. I set it to Automatic and all is working. My email address is as phony as a Bill Clinton $3.00 bill! And I change it, and my UserName here about once a week! -- "Chuck" wrote in message ... On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 07:43:17 -0700, "Tony Allen" *email_address_deleted* wrote: This past week there were a few replies posted here to messages regarding the visibility of small (2-3 computers) , home networked "places" that stated there "NEEDS/MUST" be "identical user accounts" on all systems in order for the systems to 'see' each other. I had a similar problem so I tried that suggestion - to no avail. I deleted/removed the accounts back to a single user, non-passworded system. The cure/answer to my particular issues was a service not starting. What is all this about 'needing' identical accounts running on networked computers? Obviously, it's NOT needed! Tony, Network access to resources in Windows systems requires some type of authentication. In most cases, this requires matching accounts / passwords. When people complain of problems with network access, that is one of the easiest diagnoses. More about file sharing, between all different versions of Windows: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...a6db-aef8-4bef -925e-7ac9be791028&DisplayLang=en You have posted here so many articles, it's hard to keep track of your problems. Are you still having problems, or is everything resolved? BTW, Tony, please don't contribute to the spread and success of email address mining viruses. Learn to munge your email address properly, to keep yourself a bit safer when posting to open forums. Protect yourself and the rest of the internet - read this article. http://www.mailmsg.com/SPAM_munging.htm Cheers, Chuck Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing. |
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On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 09:18:44 -0700, "Tony Allen" *email_address_deleted*
wrote: Everything solved. Computer Browser service was not (for some unknown reason) starting from 'Manual'. I set it to Automatic and all is working. My email address is as phony as a Bill Clinton $3.00 bill! And I change it, and my UserName here about once a week! Tony, I'm glad that you solved your problem. The browser service, and subsystem, is frequently a cause of network sharing problems. Your email address may be phony, to you, but it is not polite. By posting with your current address (an actual existing domain), you could be causing unwanted email (spam) to hit the email servers at nbc [DOT] net currently. In its worst form, it could become a DOS. Also, the clueless, who do not know not to post their actual address, may see you as an example. The clueless, who are also the ones who don't properly defend their computers, then provide the next sets of hosts to further spread unwanted email and other internet traffic. http://members.aol.com/emailfaq/mungfaq.html http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2606.html Cheers, Chuck Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing. |
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FYI - these are MS owned newsgroups, and even MS recommends using a munged
e-mail address, i.e. one that a human can unmunge if they wish to communicate directly, but one that would be difficult or almost impossible for a spam harvesting program to figure out. Also, I wouldn't trust a single piece of posted information that is disseminated via "aol.com" domain. -- Star Fleet Admiral Q @ your service ************************************************* "Chuck" wrote in message ... On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 09:18:44 -0700, "Tony Allen" *email_address_deleted* wrote: Everything solved. Computer Browser service was not (for some unknown reason) starting from 'Manual'. I set it to Automatic and all is working. My email address is as phony as a Bill Clinton $3.00 bill! And I change it, and my UserName here about once a week! Tony, I'm glad that you solved your problem. The browser service, and subsystem, is frequently a cause of network sharing problems. Your email address may be phony, to you, but it is not polite. By posting with your current address (an actual existing domain), you could be causing unwanted email (spam) to hit the email servers at nbc [DOT] net currently. In its worst form, it could become a DOS. Also, the clueless, who do not know not to post their actual address, may see you as an example. The clueless, who are also the ones who don't properly defend their computers, then provide the next sets of hosts to further spread unwanted email and other internet traffic. http://members.aol.com/emailfaq/mungfaq.html http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2606.html Cheers, Chuck Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing. |
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"Identical" accounts on networked computers
In article , "Tony Allen"
wrote: This past week there were a few replies posted here to messages regarding the visibility of small (2-3 computers) , home networked "places" that stated there "NEEDS/MUST" be "identical user accounts" on all systems in order for the systems to 'see' each other. I had a similar problem so I tried that suggestion - to no avail. I deleted/removed the accounts back to a single user, non-passworded system. The cure/answer to my particular issues was a service not starting. What is all this about 'needing' identical accounts running on networked computers? Obviously, it's NOT needed! Identical user accounts aren't needed to access shared disks/folders/printers belonging to a computer running XP Home Edition. XP Home allows all users to access its shared resources over the network. If you explicitly disable "simple file sharing" on a computer running XP Professional, then anyone who wants to access your shared resources over the network needs to log on with a user account that also exists on your computer -- same user name and password. For full details: Windows XP Professional File Sharing http://www.practicallynetworked.com/...ring/index.htm -- Best Wishes, Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking) Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups. Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program http://mvp.support.microsoft.com |
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On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 07:43:17 -0700, "Tony Allen"
wrote: This past week there were a few replies posted here to messages regarding the visibility of small (2-3 computers) , home networked "places" that stated there "NEEDS/MUST" be "identical user accounts" on all systems in order for the systems to 'see' each other. I had a similar problem so I tried that suggestion - to no avail. I deleted/removed the accounts back to a single user, non-passworded system. The cure/answer to my particular issues was a service not starting. What is all this about 'needing' identical accounts running on networked computers? Obviously, it's NOT needed! Tony, I see that you have already got very good answers. Let me just reinforce one fundamental point. When you access a Windows XP (or 2000 or NT) computer over the network, you are always authenticated by username and password. You can only access the computer with a valid username and the matching password. There is absolutely no other way. However, there is a joker. When the Guest account is enabled and the authentication fails or is anonymous, the target computer will attempt a second authentication through the Guest account, which normally has no password. On Windows XP Home or on XP Pro with Simple File Sharing enabled there is only this type of Guest authentication. Obviously anybody can log on that way, provided the Guest account is enabled on both computers (not perfectly sure about this), it has no password assigned, and there is no active policy prohibiting this. I wanted to mention and explain this only for the sake of completeless and precision. Sometimes this is useful knowledge. Hans-Georg -- No mail, please. |
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"Identical" accounts on networked computers
"Tony Allen" wrote in message ... This past week there were a few replies posted here to messages regarding the visibility of small (2-3 computers) , home networked "places" that stated there "NEEDS/MUST" be "identical user accounts" on all systems in order for the systems to 'see' each other. I had a similar problem so I tried that suggestion - to no avail. I deleted/removed the accounts back to a single user, non-passworded system. The cure/answer to my particular issues was a service not starting. What is all this about 'needing' identical accounts running on networked computers? Obviously, it's NOT needed! It ISN'T needed - that much is for sure. However, for easy to set up home networking, that is the best way around it. Identical account names and passwords on all machines. |
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"Steve Winograd [MVP]" wrote in message ... If you explicitly disable "simple file sharing" on a computer running XP Professional, then anyone who wants to access your shared resources over the network needs to log on with a user account that also exists on your computer -- same user name and password. For full details: Wouldn't that be the usergroup has to have privileges in the domain/workgroup? Eg, Username John is in the same workgroup and that workgroup is authorised on the first machine? |
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In article , "Interrogative"
wrote: "Steve Winograd [MVP]" wrote in message .. . If you explicitly disable "simple file sharing" on a computer running XP Professional, then anyone who wants to access your shared resources over the network needs to log on with a user account that also exists on your computer -- same user name and password. For full details: Wouldn't that be the usergroup has to have privileges in the domain/workgroup? Eg, Username John is in the same workgroup and that workgroup is authorised on the first machine? Simple file sharing only exists in a workgroup. It isn't available in a domain. So my answer only applies to a workgroup. There's no such thing as authorization for a workgroup. Workgroups are a leftover from Windows 9x and serve no practical purpose in Windows XP networking. A computer in any workgroup can transparently access a computer in any other workgroup. Only users (and groups of users) have authorization. -- Best Wishes, Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking) Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups. Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program http://mvp.support.microsoft.com |
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