All I want to do is bring a file from WinXP over to the iPad

nospam wrote in message
lid

the only bashing i do is against misinformation.

What's hilarious is that his concept of "misinformation" is anyone
who doesn't use itunes.

On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 18:01:34 -0400, nospam wrote:

itunes is without question, the fastest and easiest way.

You ignore the question and say itunes is the fastest and
easiest way for EVERY question asked!

In this situation, mtp is the correct answer imho but I would
also entertain other solutions (itunes not being even close but
it would eventually work also).

On 2015-08-03, D. F. Manno wrote:
nospam wrote in message
lid

the only bashing i do is against misinformation.

What's hilarious is that his concept of "misinformation" is anyone
who doesn't use itunes.

Nope. The misinformation in this case is coming from trollish people
(who often haven't ever used iTunes much at all) who seem to love to
regurgitate random **** they heard other people say or saw someone write
about regarding iTunes problems they have personally had, and then claim
that those problems are widespread issues that apply universally to
anyone who uses iTunes, which is seen as ridiculous to those of us who
actually *have* used iTunes and know better. No prize for you this time.
Thanks for playing.

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On 2015-08-03, Brad Johnson wrote:
On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 18:01:34 -0400, nospam wrote:

itunes is without question, the fastest and easiest way.

You ignore the question and say itunes is the fastest and
easiest way for EVERY question asked!

In this situation, mtp is the correct answer imho but I would
also entertain other solutions (itunes not being even close but
it would eventually work also).

You apparently ignored the question too, since the OP stated he does not
want to install anything on this computer that supposedly is owned by
someone else. Good luck getting MTP support on Windows without
installing anything. ; )

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In article , Ken Springer
wrote:

but why stop there? here's a 21:9 display:
http://www.gizmag.com/lg-ultrawide-computer-monitors-ces-214/30166/

It's not the width, it's the height.

i know. that was just an example of things taken to the extreme.

This is a 24 in. iMac, 16:10
aspect ratio, resolution 1920 X 1200 instead of the usual 1920 X 1080.
My Win 7/8 system has a Dell Business Class monitor (sorry, don't know
the model by memory), 24", same aspect ratio and resolution.

what's wrong with an extra 120 pixels of height?? you have more space
than you otherwise would.

In article , Ken Springer
wrote:


This is not the 1980s.

It isn't, but my personal feeling is, the percentage of computer users
in the 80s that knew something about computers was higher then than it
is now. I'm not talking about programs but operating systems which
underpins everything.

definitely not.

people knew *of* computers but they weren't everyday things. maybe some
of them had a computer at work and knew how to use a spreadsheet or
draft documents. maybe there was only one computer for the entire
company.

today, nearly everyone carries a computer in their pocket and use it
for all kinds of things, most of which people in the 80s could never
even imagine.

In article , Mayayana
wrote:

| I'm talking about the user who never has touched a computer. For the
| manual mentioned above, and the one that came with this computer
| (Leopard in this case), they both suck for the user I'm talking about.

Part of the reason I got involved with computers was
because my very first encounter, with Win3.1, resulted
in an entire evening spent trying to figure out how to
copy a file from a floppy to the Desktop, as some
software install was instructing me to do. There was a
manual. It wasn't covered there. Nothing about copying
files. I was supposed to already know about drag/drop!
I was determined not to stay frustrated, so I started
studying.

Fast forward to about 2010. I'm trying out the Win8 beta.
I can't figure out how to do *anything*. There are no
buttons, other than the giant, pointless Metro buttons.
No menu. No Start button. People were talking about
using hotkeys to make things work. Hotkeys in 2010!

win8 was a mess.

microsoft learned from it and ballmer lost his job.

Microsoft was at fault for the idiocy of putting a
swipe n' smudge UI on a PC, but to a great extent
computers just need to be studied, and most people
won't do that.

nonsense. people want to get work done, not study them.

you don't need to study engine design or repair to be able to drive to
the grocery store so why should someone need to study a computer to use
it?

someone who designs computer hardware or writes software might need to
study the internals, but certainly not end users.

So they end up using their computer
to do only what someone has shown them how to
do. It's like having a first class workshop but only
using the phillips screwdriver. Apple makes things
simpler, which is a big part of their appeal. If you
don't want to get under the hood there's no point
having one. But still, there's no way to make a
complex tool self-explanatory. It really requires
training.

other than apple making things simpler, you're *totally* wrong.

making a complex tool easy to use can definitely be done. just look at
a modern smartphone.

In article , Ken Springer
wrote:


When you right click a file in Windows and drag it to another window,
you get the option to copy or move. Nowhere in OS X have I ever found
an option to select what you want to do, and no one that I know of has
seen it either. And not in any dropdown menu either.

you've been asking the wrong people.

- drag moves a file or folder.
- hold down the option key while dragging to copy. press or release the
option key at any time to toggle. you will see a + badging to indicate
what will happen. this even works for making a copy in the same folder.
- hold down the command & option keys to make an alias (shortcut).
there will be a small arrow badge, the same as what is used to badge an
alias file.
-press escape to cancel the drag.

Well, I'll be damned. 5.5 years of using this Mac, and this is the
first time I've heard this could be done.

This makes me the poster child of why there should at least be quick
start guides/cheat sheets supplied with systems from manufacturers. I
just looked in my 800 page Mountain Lion Tome and can't find it. :-( I
think authors and others just assume people know this.

there are a lot of hidden features, some far more hidden than that.

i'm not a fan of hidden features, but sometimes cluttering up the main
interface is worse.

you might find tinker tool useful, which lets you toggle a slew of
hidden preference settings:
http://www.bresink.com/osx/TinkerTool.html

I'm a member of the local Mac user group, and if those cheat sheets were
included, a lot of questions asked by members that make me say "WTF?"
would never be asked.

true, but questions like that often prompt discussions about all sorts
of stuff that would never be in any user guide.

It's these "little" things I think people should know, but it's
information that's hard to find these days. At least it is for me. G

I wonder if the need for holding the option key is a legacy thing from
the one button mouse days...

nope. the key is called option for a reason - it gives you options.

use the option key with keys for alternate characters, such as
©copyright (option-g).

click on a menu and press the option key. often, many of the items will
change and sometimes new ones may appear.

as for the one button issue, macs have supported multiple buttons and
contextual menus since around 1986, just a couple of years after the
mac came out. few people cared because it wasn't needed.

back then a multi-button mouse came with its own driver. in the early
90s, hardware support was added and custom drivers were not needed.
today, any standard usb mouse works.

mac os is designed around one button with additional buttons being a
*convenience*, not a requirement. windows is designed for two buttons,
making it essentially a requirement. although possible, it's *really*
hard to use windows with one button.

In article , D. F. Manno
wrote:

the only bashing i do is against misinformation.

What's hilarious is that his concept of "misinformation" is anyone
who doesn't use itunes.

nope.

In article , Brad Johnson
wrote:

itunes is without question, the fastest and easiest way.

You ignore the question and say itunes is the fastest and
easiest way for EVERY question asked!

wrong on both.

In this situation, mtp is the correct answer imho but I would
also entertain other solutions (itunes not being even close but
it would eventually work also).

it's definitely not the correct answer because it's *not* the easiest
and fastest.

On 8/3/15 10:58 AM, nospam wrote:
In article , Ken Springer
wrote:


This is not the 1980s.

It isn't, but my personal feeling is, the percentage of computer users
in the 80s that knew something about computers was higher then than it
is now. I'm not talking about programs but operating systems which
underpins everything.

definitely not.

people knew *of* computers but they weren't everyday things. maybe some
of them had a computer at work and knew how to use a spreadsheet or
draft documents. maybe there was only one computer for the entire
company.

I mean those actually using them, not including those that knew *of*
them. :-)

today, nearly everyone carries a computer in their pocket and use it
for all kinds of things, most of which people in the 80s could never
even imagine.

But, do the know how the work, or just know how to do some things with
apps/programs and nothing else? In the same type of vein as me just
learning about option-drag on the Mac.



--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 36.0.4
Thunderbird 31.5
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

On 8/3/15 10:58 AM, nospam wrote:
In article , Mayayana
wrote:

| I'm talking about the user who never has touched a computer. For the
| manual mentioned above, and the one that came with this computer
| (Leopard in this case), they both suck for the user I'm talking about.

Part of the reason I got involved with computers was
because my very first encounter, with Win3.1, resulted
in an entire evening spent trying to figure out how to
copy a file from a floppy to the Desktop, as some
software install was instructing me to do. There was a
manual. It wasn't covered there. Nothing about copying
files. I was supposed to already know about drag/drop!
I was determined not to stay frustrated, so I started
studying.

Fast forward to about 2010. I'm trying out the Win8 beta.
I can't figure out how to do *anything*. There are no
buttons, other than the giant, pointless Metro buttons.
No menu. No Start button. People were talking about
using hotkeys to make things work. Hotkeys in 2010!

win8 was a mess.

microsoft learned from it and ballmer lost his job.

Microsoft was at fault for the idiocy of putting a
swipe n' smudge UI on a PC, but to a great extent
computers just need to be studied, and most people
won't do that.

nonsense. people want to get work done, not study them.

I agree, but you need to study them enough to be actually good at using
them. Just like you study your TV to learn the features past just
turning it on and watching a show

you don't need to study engine design or repair to be able to drive to
the grocery store so why should someone need to study a computer to use
it?

But you should know what that engine does so you can do some basic
troubleshooting and avoid the mechanic ready to take you to the cleaners.

someone who designs computer hardware or writes software might need to
study the internals, but certainly not end users.

So they end up using their computer
to do only what someone has shown them how to
do. It's like having a first class workshop but only
using the phillips screwdriver. Apple makes things
simpler, which is a big part of their appeal. If you
don't want to get under the hood there's no point
having one. But still, there's no way to make a
complex tool self-explanatory. It really requires
training.

other than apple making things simpler, you're *totally* wrong.

making a complex tool easy to use can definitely be done. just look at
a modern smartphone.



--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 36.0.4
Thunderbird 31.5
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

On 8/3/15 10:58 AM, nospam wrote:
In article , Ken Springer
wrote:

but why stop there? here's a 21:9 display:
http://www.gizmag.com/lg-ultrawide-computer-monitors-ces-214/30166/

It's not the width, it's the height.

i know. that was just an example of things taken to the extreme.

This is a 24 in. iMac, 16:10
aspect ratio, resolution 1920 X 1200 instead of the usual 1920 X 1080.
My Win 7/8 system has a Dell Business Class monitor (sorry, don't know
the model by memory), 24", same aspect ratio and resolution.

what's wrong with an extra 120 pixels of height?? you have more space
than you otherwise would.

We just got our wires crossed here somehow. LOL I'm absolutely for
the extra 120 pixels of height. It's just hard to find monitors that
offer it.


--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 36.0.4
Thunderbird 31.5
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 14:40:17 -0400, nospam wrote:

nothing satisfies everyone. a small number of people don't like itunes
and are very vocal about it, but there are hundreds of millions who
don't have a problem

These hundreds of millions are the same ones who don't know any better
and certainly would never even look for a better solution than itunes is
for them.

And that's ok for them.

But for hundreds of millions of others, itunes is not even close to being
the answer to the questions asked.

In article , Ken Springer
wrote:

But then again, if you don't know what you want to do with a computer,
you really don't need a computer.

Have to disagree. :-)

A little experiment...

Here's a photo of something you probably know nothing about.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/lo0v6qrbcz...2-101.jpg?dl=0

If you walked into my store where I sell this and other related items,
and the only thing you know is the item exists, what would you ask me?

I've never seen anything like that before. What does it do?