All I want to do is bring a file from WinXP over to the iPad

In article , nospam
wrote:

In article 2015080214102583054-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom,
Savageduck wrote:

...and you have sufficient dexterity to manage the shift key, a concept
nospam seems to have lost at birth.

it was well after birth.

You were able to use the shift key at birth????

On 8/2/15 1:06 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Ken Springer
wrote:

I find it interesting... You always hear about "Apple fanbois" who say
Apple is the answer for everything. In their own way, those who are
insisting iTunes is the only way are exhibiting their own "fanboi"
attitude, I.E. "that's the only way to do it".

everything has fanbois. there are windows fanbois, android fanbois,
nikon fanbois, etc. fortunately, they're a minority.

unfortunately, there is also what i call anti-fanbois that bash other
platforms, usually with bogus information that's demonstrably false.

Which is why I never, ever recommend one platform over the other. The
closest I get is to say I believe one system fits one type of person,
another system fits another person better. It's up to them to try to
find systems to test.

And I think it also depends on what people want to do with their
systems. Figuring that out is something a lot of people don't do,
unfortunately.

When in truth, the question is "Is there another way to do it?" I don't
know if Werner is a troll or not, but I'm interested in the answer to
his question. Ergo my thanks above for your other post. It may not be
an answer that will work for me, but I'll have learned something. :-)

there are a lot of ways to do it but none with the simplicity of itunes.

For the question in the original post, you're probably right. But
that's a scenario I don't have.

Let's say your equipment is all networked together. Wouldn't
transferring the files by copying across the network be faster?

Point is, any single method is not always the fastest, which is the
feeling I got from all he posts, that iTunes was the fastest and
easiest, period. :-)

What I've observed over time is the computer world is infested with
"fanbois" of all types, from operating systems to software. You can't
escape them, and I liken them to the Chevy vs. Ford fanatics. Nothing
but their preferred XXXXXXXX will ever suit them.

yep, but they're a minority and that's not relevant here.

the majority of users just want to get stuff done. they choose the
tools that empower them to do whatever it is they need to do in a
straightforward manner.

I think you should modify that by saying "they choose the tools they
know about" to do the job. Regardless of the job. It's like so many
people think they *have* to have Word, which is false depending on what
they need to accomplish.

But you're right about just getting the job done. I don't want to write
a batch file to get things done if there's a utility already available
to do it. And most of the time, there is the utility if you look hard
enough.

the name on the sticker makes no difference. as i said in another post,
most people who own ios devices are windows users.

This I know, which doesn't seem to bode well for Windows phone. :-)

in this case, itunes is the easiest method. it has nothing to do with
fanboism.



--
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Firefox 36.0.4
Thunderbird 31.5
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

In article , Ken Springer
wrote:

And from what a Mac software vendor told me, Apple
is making it harder to do things across networks, and I'm presuming he
was referring to Windows networks.

You're going to have to do better than "someone told me" here. I have
yet to see any evidence that Apple is making networking anything but
easier. So which software vendor was this?

Just like I wouldn't use your real name in a public area like this
without your permission, I won't mention his name.

I will say, the conversation was pre-Mavericks for OS X, and involved
the inability to do file management over a network, using the Mac to do
file management on a Windows machine. Apparently Apple removed
something from OS X that was needed to do the file management. It's
also possible that Apple put it back, too.

it's also possible that the person is an idiot.

from your description, it sounds like it was due to the switch to smb2
in mavericks, something that's been in windows for nearly a decade.

if his legacy devices don't support smb2, he may need to force the
older smb1, but a better solution would be to upgrade (or ditch) the
old devices.

in other words, nobody removed anything. it's user error.

But who knows? Apple removed the Move command from the GUI, too, and
who knows why. That's one thing that irritated me to no end when I
bought the Mac. Maybe they've added it back in, but since I know of
nothing that's been added to the OS since Mountain Lion, I've not updated.

nonsense!

what are you smoking?

macs have been able to move a file in the gui since day one, some 35
years ago.

just click on the file and drag it to wherever you want. done. it
doesn't get any easier than that.

In article , Ken Springer
wrote:

I find it interesting... You always hear about "Apple fanbois" who say
Apple is the answer for everything. In their own way, those who are
insisting iTunes is the only way are exhibiting their own "fanboi"
attitude, I.E. "that's the only way to do it".

everything has fanbois. there are windows fanbois, android fanbois,
nikon fanbois, etc. fortunately, they're a minority.

unfortunately, there is also what i call anti-fanbois that bash other
platforms, usually with bogus information that's demonstrably false.

Which is why I never, ever recommend one platform over the other. The
closest I get is to say I believe one system fits one type of person,
another system fits another person better. It's up to them to try to
find systems to test.

yep.

pick whatever best fits your needs. sometimes it's mac, sometimes it's
windows, sometimes it's something else.

And I think it also depends on what people want to do with their
systems. Figuring that out is something a lot of people don't do,
unfortunately.

true.

many times people buy what someone with a vested interest tells them to
buy.

When in truth, the question is "Is there another way to do it?" I don't
know if Werner is a troll or not, but I'm interested in the answer to
his question. Ergo my thanks above for your other post. It may not be
an answer that will work for me, but I'll have learned something. :-)

there are a lot of ways to do it but none with the simplicity of itunes.

For the question in the original post, you're probably right. But
that's a scenario I don't have.

Let's say your equipment is all networked together. Wouldn't
transferring the files by copying across the network be faster?

not faster than a usb cable (at least to an ios device), but it might
be more convenient than fumbling with a cable and sitting in front of
the computer.

Point is, any single method is not always the fastest, which is the
feeling I got from all he posts, that iTunes was the fastest and
easiest, period. :-)

itunes is without question, the fastest and easiest way.

What I've observed over time is the computer world is infested with
"fanbois" of all types, from operating systems to software. You can't
escape them, and I liken them to the Chevy vs. Ford fanatics. Nothing
but their preferred XXXXXXXX will ever suit them.

yep, but they're a minority and that's not relevant here.

the majority of users just want to get stuff done. they choose the
tools that empower them to do whatever it is they need to do in a
straightforward manner.

I think you should modify that by saying "they choose the tools they
know about" to do the job. Regardless of the job. It's like so many
people think they *have* to have Word, which is false depending on what
they need to accomplish.

obviously they can't choose what they don't know about, but that's
their own doing, not a limitation of a device or a manufacturer.

But you're right about just getting the job done. I don't want to write
a batch file to get things done if there's a utility already available
to do it. And most of the time, there is the utility if you look hard
enough.

getting the job done is what matters.

the name on the sticker makes no difference. as i said in another post,
most people who own ios devices are windows users.

This I know, which doesn't seem to bode well for Windows phone. :-)

windows phone is dead.

it's actually a decent system but too small of a market share for
developers to bother.

On 8/2/15 1:30 PM, Mayayana wrote:
|
| When in truth, the question is "Is there another way to do it?" I don't
| know if Werner is a troll or not, but I'm interested in the answer to
| his question.

I'm no expert on this, but I noticed that "mick",
at the bottom here, also mentioned the Explorer
app, so that might be worth looking into.

There's a similarly named app for Android which I like, but at the
moment it won't connect to my Mac although it does effortlessly with
Windows. I haven't had time nor inclination to test, but I think the
problem is Android Lollipop 5.1.1. With a different program, no problem
connecting to the Mac, but possibly I had Kit Kat 4.4 installed at the
time. From the sparse research I've done, it seems that 5.X was not
really ready for prime time.

| What I've observed over time is the computer world is infested with
| "fanbois" of all types, from operating systems to software. You can't
| escape them, and I liken them to the Chevy vs. Ford fanatics.

I guess it's like anything, but Apple really is a
religion for many people. The charisma of Steve
Jobs is a mysterious thing. You're an exception,
I guess.

Unlike many, I had no Jobs experience to any extent. I ended up with
this Mac for exactly two reasons. The (mistaken) belief that OS X was
invulnerable to malware, and the quality of the visual display, which at
the time was far superior to anything I'd seen in the Windows World. A
couple years later, I did see an AOC monitor attached to a Windows
system that was the equivalent to this Mac. I have kicked myself a
number of times for not buying one at the time, and just putting it in
the closet.

I had a hard time figuring out OS X, but now, it would be hard to get me
to go back to Windows for everyday uses. To me, OS X is so much more of
"smooth" feeling. True, it's subliminal, but isn't a lot of our buying
choices based on some amount of subliminal feelings? I do have a couple
projects I'm trying to get started, and it will be on Windows 7, since
one involves using a type of software I just can't seem to software for
on the Mac. The other involves both Mac and Windows, and I would simply
like to keep that project (it's a part time income stream) off the Mac.

Some people also just simply like to argue,
and some of those are clearly here, visiting
from the Mac group. I've noticed that the people
who are most argumentative usually are not
actually capable of conceptual analysis. Dogma
stands in to cover the gap. So trying to talk
to them or even clarify their misstatements just
turns into an increasingly confused case of
diminishing returns and baseless pronouncements
of "Wrong!", "Nonsense!", etc.

It's surprising, actually, how well behaved
Windows groups are. Even in the programming
forums, where one would expect limited social
skills to be common. Of the various groups
I've frequented, I've never seen any other
where people so consistently stay on-topic and
act respectfully as much as in Windows groups.

(Though, here we are discussing moving files
from WinXP to an iPad, in what used to be a
Win7 group but has more recently transformed
into a Win10 group.


--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 36.0.4
Thunderbird 31.5
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

In article , Ken Springer
wrote:

| What I've observed over time is the computer world is infested with
| "fanbois" of all types, from operating systems to software. You can't
| escape them, and I liken them to the Chevy vs. Ford fanatics.

I guess it's like anything, but Apple really is a
religion for many people. The charisma of Steve
Jobs is a mysterious thing. You're an exception,
I guess.

Unlike many, I had no Jobs experience to any extent. I ended up with
this Mac for exactly two reasons. The (mistaken) belief that OS X was
invulnerable to malware, and the quality of the visual display, which at
the time was far superior to anything I'd seen in the Windows World. A
couple years later, I did see an AOC monitor attached to a Windows
system that was the equivalent to this Mac. I have kicked myself a
number of times for not buying one at the time, and just putting it in
the closet.

nothing is invulnerable to malware, but it's a *lot* harder to
compromise a mac than windows for many reasons.

usually any exploit is of the user, by tricking them into installing
something.

once you get the user to install something and then authenticate with
their admin password, the game is over.

this is nothing new. people get scammed on the phone too. scammers call
trying to sell something and people get duped into giving out their
credit card number. game over.

as for the display, go look at a retina imac. nothing comes close in
the windows world, nor will it for quite some time.

dell has a 5k display for about the same price as a retina imac, but it
requires 2 video cards and a computer, adding to the cost.

I had a hard time figuring out OS X, but now, it would be hard to get me
to go back to Windows for everyday uses. To me, OS X is so much more of
"smooth" feeling. True, it's subliminal, but isn't a lot of our buying
choices based on some amount of subliminal feelings?

it's smoother feeling because it really is smoother. there's lot of
attention to detail that microsoft can't be bothered with, even down to
the responsiveness of scrolling.

I do have a couple
projects I'm trying to get started, and it will be on Windows 7, since
one involves using a type of software I just can't seem to software for
on the Mac.

what software?

maybe it exists. maybe it doesn't.

The other involves both Mac and Windows, and I would simply
like to keep that project (it's a part time income stream) off the Mac.

if it involves both mac & windows, how can you keep it off the mac?

"Werner Obermeier" wrote in message
...
All I want to do is bring two MP4 files from WinXP to iOS 7.1.1 iPad.
http://i.imgur.com/FO0rSM8.jpg

It's not "my" WinXP machine, and the owner decidedly doesn't want to
install iTunes (for all the reasons everyone already knows so we
certainly don't need to hash them out here for the umpteenth time).

I only need a couple of roughly 1GB MP4 files copied over from WinXP
SP3 to the iPad by the easiest way possible. Both devices are on the
same local subnet.

When I connect the iPad to the WinXP machine by USB cable, the iPad
shows up, but the document hierarchy (particularly that of VLC) does
not show up. (http://i.imgur.com/FO0rSM8.jpg)

On the iPad, it keeps asking to trust this computer (which I have OK'd
very many times - but the iPad just keeps asking and asking and asking).

If bluetooth works on the iPad, or if WiFi works on the iPad, I'd be
very happy, just as happy if the USB cable would just work on the iPad.

This task should have taken about a minute, but after a half hour of
trying, I still haven't been able to mount the iPad onto WinXP to
copy the two MP4 files over.

If all I want to do is bring over a couple of MP4 files from WinXP
SP3 to the iPad VLC private documents directory, what's the easiest
way to accomplish this when both devices are on the same network?




Try ShareIT - Lenovo bluetooth program, iOS , ANDROID , PC . As long as
wireless connection it'll work
Each time I've used it it took me a few tries to get the connection, but
then transfers move right along.
http://shareit.lenovo.com/faqs.html


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On 8/2/15 1:47 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Mayayana
wrote:

| What I've observed over time is the computer world is infested with
| "fanbois" of all types, from operating systems to software. You can't
| escape them, and I liken them to the Chevy vs. Ford fanatics.

I guess it's like anything, but Apple really is a
religion for many people.

not very many.

all products have fanbois, whether it's apple, google, microsoft,
harley-davidson, nikon, etc.

bashers, such as yourself, and who could be called anti-fanbois, try to
characterize apple users as sheep or cultists. there are a few, but
they're a tiny minority and not representative of the majority of
users.

It might be the way you write, but I find you to be much more of a
basher than Mayayana.

most people just want to get a task done.

True. But do they know enough to get it done efficiently is the question.

The charisma of Steve
Jobs is a mysterious thing. You're an exception,
I guess. Some people also just simply like to argue,
and some of those are clearly here, visiting
from the Mac group. I've noticed that the people
who are most argumentative usually are not
actually capable of conceptual analysis.

if anyone is incapable of conceptual analysis, it would be you.

for instance, you still don't understand why going beyond file system
limitations is a *good* thing.

But, is it a good thing, and that may depend on the individual's feelings.

Myself, I avoid almost all cloud related activities. No social media,
no iCloud, no OneDrive, etc. I do email obviously, online banking,
minimal online shopping (hard to buy something in CA store in person
when you are in CO), and Dropbox when sending a lot of photos, etc. to
someone.

it's also has nothing to do with apple. microsoft, google, adobe and
many other companies are all doing that, and for very good reasons -
because it's *much* better.

And, maybe it's not much better. :-) Gives them a chance to know your
business without the average person knowing it's even happening. Both
Google and Facebook have been caught violating their own privacy rules.

Dogma
stands in to cover the gap. So trying to talk
to them or even clarify their misstatements just
turns into an increasingly confused case of
diminishing returns and baseless pronouncements
of "Wrong!", "Nonsense!", etc.

if you say something that's bull****, it's going to get that type of
response.

It's surprising, actually, how well behaved
Windows groups are. Even in the programming
forums, where one would expect limited social
skills to be common. Of the various groups
I've frequented, I've never seen any other
where people so consistently stay on-topic and
act respectfully as much as in Windows groups.

more bull****.



--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 36.0.4
Thunderbird 31.5
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 11:30:24 -0700, Michelle Steiner
wrote:

In article , Mayayana
wrote:

I don't expect Apple fans to understand what iTunes is for Windows
users, but if you'd read the rest of my post instead of deleting it
you might have some idea.

All I know is that many Windows users who complain about iTunes have no
rational basis for their complaints.

Itunes is crap on a PC, Michelle. You usually do your ranting in the
iphone group. Since you are big time Mac evangelist I am surprised to
see you here.

A common sense solution implies something that can be done by the
OS. Not 3rd-party software. Not membership in some kind of online
storage service.

Well, then, he should be bugging Microsoft about it.

He simply wants to copy over files. He didn't ask
for anyone's opinion about how he *should* do it.

He wants to know how to copy over files, but he doesn't to know how he
should copy over files. You are a master of the inane.

On the other hand, looking at your posts in this thread I'm
guessing that "Michelle Steiner" is a pen name for the incorrigible,
inimitable, argumentative and unfailingly irrational nospam.

She is not nospam, no, much, much worse. Michelle is a Mac troll.
Opinionated and ignorant.

You've been wrong about everything else, so of course, you're wrong
about this too. nospam and I are at loggerheads about almost
everything except countering the anti-Apple nonsense of linux and
Windows users.
--
JT

On 2015-08-02, Ken Springer wrote:
On 8/2/15 12:21 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:

You're going to have to do better than "someone told me" here. I have
yet to see any evidence that Apple is making networking anything but
easier. So which software vendor was this?

Just like I wouldn't use your real name in a public area like this
without your permission, I won't mention his name.

So probably just some friend of yours or something. Got it.

I will say, the conversation was pre-Mavericks for OS X, and involved
the inability to do file management over a network, using the Mac to
do file management on a Windows machine. Apparently Apple removed
something from OS X that was needed to do the file management. It's
also possible that Apple put it back, too.

Why haven't the rest of us heard about this then? I've been networking
Macs and Windows PCs for ages and haven't seen Apple remove anything (in
Mavericks or otherwise) that made file sharing between them stop
working. Considering you think entering a URL into Windows explorer to
connect to a Mac shared volume to be a pain in the ass, I'm really
doubting your story (or your friend's).

But who knows? Apple removed the Move command from the GUI, too, and
who knows why. That's one thing that irritated me to no end when I
bought the Mac. Maybe they've added it back in, but since I know of
nothing that's been added to the OS since Mountain Lion, I've not
updated.

I've never been unable to move stuff through the GUI on my Mac, even
when it was running Mavericks.

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On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 13:39:19 -0700, Michelle Steiner
wrote:

In article , Mayayana
wrote:

I guess it's like anything, but Apple really is a religion for many
people. The charisma of Steve Jobs is a mysterious thing. You're an
exception, I guess. Some people also just simply like to argue, and
some of those are clearly here, visiting from the Mac group.

Actually, the ones who like to argue are visiting the Mac group. We
didn't start this discussion.

I've noticed that the people who are most argumentative usually are
not actually capable of conceptual analysis. Dogma stands in to cover
the gap.

I've noticed that about the Windows and, especially, the linux users to
pester the Mac groups.

So you have decided to troll the Windows group to spread the word?
--
JT

On 2015-08-02, nospam wrote:
In article , Ken Springer
wrote:

I will say, the conversation was pre-Mavericks for OS X, and involved
the inability to do file management over a network, using the Mac to do
file management on a Windows machine. Apparently Apple removed
something from OS X that was needed to do the file management. It's
also possible that Apple put it back, too.

it's also possible that the person is an idiot.

from your description, it sounds like it was due to the switch to smb2
in mavericks, something that's been in windows for nearly a decade.

if his legacy devices don't support smb2, he may need to force the
older smb1, but a better solution would be to upgrade (or ditch) the
old devices.

in other words, nobody removed anything. it's user error.

That's a *far* more likely explanation of what happened.

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JR

In article , Ken Springer
wrote:

| What I've observed over time is the computer world is infested with
| "fanbois" of all types, from operating systems to software. You can't
| escape them, and I liken them to the Chevy vs. Ford fanatics.

I guess it's like anything, but Apple really is a
religion for many people.

not very many.

all products have fanbois, whether it's apple, google, microsoft,
harley-davidson, nikon, etc.

bashers, such as yourself, and who could be called anti-fanbois, try to
characterize apple users as sheep or cultists. there are a few, but
they're a tiny minority and not representative of the majority of
users.

It might be the way you write, but I find you to be much more of a
basher than Mayayana.

the only bashing i do is against misinformation.

i've always held that get the best device for a given task, but people
need to know actual facts, not bogus info.

as for mayayana, if you've seen his other posts, he always refers to
apple users as 'apple seeds'. that's bashing.

most people just want to get a task done.

True. But do they know enough to get it done efficiently is the question.

they usually do not.

The charisma of Steve
Jobs is a mysterious thing. You're an exception,
I guess. Some people also just simply like to argue,
and some of those are clearly here, visiting
from the Mac group. I've noticed that the people
who are most argumentative usually are not
actually capable of conceptual analysis.

if anyone is incapable of conceptual analysis, it would be you.

for instance, you still don't understand why going beyond file system
limitations is a *good* thing.

But, is it a good thing, and that may depend on the individual's feelings.

that's subjective.

i'm referring to objective differences that can easily be demonstrated.


Myself, I avoid almost all cloud related activities. No social media,
no iCloud, no OneDrive, etc. I do email obviously, online banking,
minimal online shopping (hard to buy something in CA store in person
when you are in CO), and Dropbox when sending a lot of photos, etc. to
someone.

that's fine, but the cloud a separate issue. there is no need to use
the cloud to go beyond the file system.

for instance, you could use lightroom as a photo asset manager rather
than having a hierarchy of files and folders. everything is still
local.

as for the cloud, there are ways to locally encrypt, which for all
intents removes whatever concerns people have about others being able
to see the contents of their files.

there's a very tiny chance that the encryption could be cracked, but
someone would *really* need to have a motive to bother, and if that's
the case, you have bigger problems.

it's also has nothing to do with apple. microsoft, google, adobe and
many other companies are all doing that, and for very good reasons -
because it's *much* better.

And, maybe it's not much better. :-)

it is much better. this can be easily shown. anything that can be done
in a file system can be done more easily when it's abstracted, plus a
whole lot more.

in other words, it's a superset.

Gives them a chance to know your
business without the average person knowing it's even happening. Both
Google and Facebook have been caught violating their own privacy rules.

that's a separate and unrelated issue.

On 8/2/15 4:22 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Ken Springer
wrote:

| What I've observed over time is the computer world is infested with
| "fanbois" of all types, from operating systems to software. You can't
| escape them, and I liken them to the Chevy vs. Ford fanatics.

I guess it's like anything, but Apple really is a
religion for many people. The charisma of Steve
Jobs is a mysterious thing. You're an exception,
I guess.

Unlike many, I had no Jobs experience to any extent. I ended up with
this Mac for exactly two reasons. The (mistaken) belief that OS X was
invulnerable to malware, and the quality of the visual display, which at
the time was far superior to anything I'd seen in the Windows World. A
couple years later, I did see an AOC monitor attached to a Windows
system that was the equivalent to this Mac. I have kicked myself a
number of times for not buying one at the time, and just putting it in
the closet.

nothing is invulnerable to malware, but it's a *lot* harder to
compromise a mac than windows for many reasons.

usually any exploit is of the user, by tricking them into installing
something.

once you get the user to install something and then authenticate with
their admin password, the game is over.

this is nothing new. people get scammed on the phone too. scammers call
trying to sell something and people get duped into giving out their
credit card number. game over.

as for the display, go look at a retina imac. nothing comes close in
the windows world, nor will it for quite some time.

What disappoints me about current iMacs I've see is the displays are all
16:9 aspect ratio, while mine is 16:10. I'm so used to that extra 1
unit vertical that all others feel cramped. I didn't realize the aspect
ratio difference when I bought it.

dell has a 5k display for about the same price as a retina imac, but it
requires 2 video cards and a computer, adding to the cost.

And they complain about Macs costing a lot. LOL

I had a hard time figuring out OS X, but now, it would be hard to get me
to go back to Windows for everyday uses. To me, OS X is so much more of
"smooth" feeling. True, it's subliminal, but isn't a lot of our buying
choices based on some amount of subliminal feelings?

it's smoother feeling because it really is smoother. there's lot of
attention to detail that microsoft can't be bothered with, even down to
the responsiveness of scrolling.

I do have a couple
projects I'm trying to get started, and it will be on Windows 7, since
one involves using a type of software I just can't seem to software for
on the Mac.

what software?

Timeline and database.

maybe it exists. maybe it doesn't.

The other involves both Mac and Windows, and I would simply
like to keep that project (it's a part time income stream) off the Mac.

if it involves both mac & windows, how can you keep it off the mac?

I can't, but the only part the Mac will play will be for screenshots of
OS X.


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On 8/2/15 3:59 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Ken Springer
wrote:

And from what a Mac software vendor told me, Apple
is making it harder to do things across networks, and I'm presuming he
was referring to Windows networks.

You're going to have to do better than "someone told me" here. I have
yet to see any evidence that Apple is making networking anything but
easier. So which software vendor was this?

Just like I wouldn't use your real name in a public area like this
without your permission, I won't mention his name.

I will say, the conversation was pre-Mavericks for OS X, and involved
the inability to do file management over a network, using the Mac to do
file management on a Windows machine. Apparently Apple removed
something from OS X that was needed to do the file management. It's
also possible that Apple put it back, too.

it's also possible that the person is an idiot.

from your description, it sounds like it was due to the switch to smb2
in mavericks, something that's been in windows for nearly a decade.

Except I'm not using Mavericks. :-)

if his legacy devices don't support smb2, he may need to force the
older smb1, but a better solution would be to upgrade (or ditch) the
old devices.

in other words, nobody removed anything. it's user error.

But who knows? Apple removed the Move command from the GUI, too, and
who knows why. That's one thing that irritated me to no end when I
bought the Mac. Maybe they've added it back in, but since I know of
nothing that's been added to the OS since Mountain Lion, I've not updated.

nonsense!

what are you smoking?

macs have been able to move a file in the gui since day one, some 35
years ago.

Using Windows command line terms... If you drag C:\file\file.txt to
C:\newfile\, the file is moved from C:\file\ and you have
C:\newfile\file.txt. But if you drag C:\file\file.txt to D:\newfile,
the file is copied and you have both C:\file\file.txt and
D:\newfile\file.txt. Windows works similarly these days, IIRC.

When you right click a file in Windows and drag it to another window,
you get the option to copy or move. Nowhere in OS X have I ever found
an option to select what you want to do, and no one that I know of has
seen it either. And not in any dropdown menu either.

just click on the file and drag it to wherever you want. done. it
doesn't get any easier than that.



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Mac OS X 10.8.5
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Thunderbird 31.5
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"