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#16
June 12th 09, 03:09 PM
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Reconciling disk space used and free disk space does not work as there are factors Windows Explorer misreports. Compressed files are reported as their original size before compression whereas their size on disk is less. This causes problems trying to reconcile space used plus free disk space with the size of the hard disk. Norton Protected Storage and Rollback can stay invisible. Are you using any utilities e.g. Norton Ghost to back up or image files on your drive? Do you use the Hibernation feature? How large is hiberfil.sys. This is a hidden file like the contents of the System Volume Information folder. It needs to go into your reconcilation. One way sometimes to discover the existence of larger hidden files is that they can be revealed in the Most Fragmented Files list in a Disk Defragmenter Report. Of course the files need to be fragmented to be seen but those of significant size usually are if the disk needs to be defragmented. Sometimes these files can be so large there is not sufficient contiguous free space to be able to totally defragment them. Bill Ridgeway wrote: As I have said there was 15.7Gb used (according to Windows Explorer) immediately before the secure wipe and 12.0Gb (according to Windows Explorer) immediately after the security wipe. This isn't a one-off. I've noticed this effect on several occasions. I would accept a small discrepancy but this isn't a small discrepancy. Bill Ridgeway "Gerry" wrote in message ... Bill That is a curious result. Where are you getting the figures from? Figures are misreported in places like Windows Explorer! -- Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bill Ridgeway wrote: Filling unused space with 0s & 1s Bill Ridgeway "Gerry" wrote in message ... Bill Please clarify what you mean by "security wipe"? -- Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bill Ridgeway wrote: I have just done a security wipe of my hard disk. Immediately before the security wipe 15.7Gb of the hard disk was used. Immediately afterwards this had reduced to 12Gb. A gain of nearly 4Gb is a substantial 25%. I am curious to find out why either why the original usage figure was bloated or why a capacity has genuinely been won. any ideas please? Bill Ridgeway 
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June 12th 09, 03:09 PM
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Reconciling disk space used and free disk space does not work as there are factors Windows Explorer misreports. Compressed files are reported as their original size before compression whereas their size on disk is less. This causes problems trying to reconcile space used plus free disk space with the size of the hard disk. Norton Protected Storage and Rollback can stay invisible. Are you using any utilities e.g. Norton Ghost to back up or image files on your drive? Do you use the Hibernation feature? How large is hiberfil.sys. This is a hidden file like the contents of the System Volume Information folder. It needs to go into your reconcilation. One way sometimes to discover the existence of larger hidden files is that they can be revealed in the Most Fragmented Files list in a Disk Defragmenter Report. Of course the files need to be fragmented to be seen but those of significant size usually are if the disk needs to be defragmented. Sometimes these files can be so large there is not sufficient contiguous free space to be able to totally defragment them. Bill Ridgeway wrote: As I have said there was 15.7Gb used (according to Windows Explorer) immediately before the secure wipe and 12.0Gb (according to Windows Explorer) immediately after the security wipe. This isn't a one-off. I've noticed this effect on several occasions. I would accept a small discrepancy but this isn't a small discrepancy. Bill Ridgeway "Gerry" wrote in message ... Bill That is a curious result. Where are you getting the figures from? Figures are misreported in places like Windows Explorer! -- Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bill Ridgeway wrote: Filling unused space with 0s & 1s Bill Ridgeway "Gerry" wrote in message ... Bill Please clarify what you mean by "security wipe"? -- Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bill Ridgeway wrote: I have just done a security wipe of my hard disk. Immediately before the security wipe 15.7Gb of the hard disk was used. Immediately afterwards this had reduced to 12Gb. A gain of nearly 4Gb is a substantial 25%. I am curious to find out why either why the original usage figure was bloated or why a capacity has genuinely been won. any ideas please? Bill Ridgeway
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June 12th 09, 04:49 PM
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Advanced System Optimizer
Bill Ridgeway "JS" @ wrote in message ... What software are you using to perform the wipe? -- JS http://www.pagestart.com "Bill Ridgeway" wrote in message ... As I have said there was 15.7Gb used (according to Windows Explorer) immediately before the secure wipe and 12.0Gb (according to Windows Explorer) immediately after the security wipe. This isn't a one-off. I've noticed this effect on several occasions. I would accept a small discrepancy but this isn't a small discrepancy. Bill Ridgeway "Gerry" wrote in message ... Bill That is a curious result. Where are you getting the figures from? Figures are misreported in places like Windows Explorer! -- Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bill Ridgeway wrote: Filling unused space with 0s & 1s Bill Ridgeway "Gerry" wrote in message ... Bill Please clarify what you mean by "security wipe"? -- Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bill Ridgeway wrote: I have just done a security wipe of my hard disk. Immediately before the security wipe 15.7Gb of the hard disk was used. Immediately afterwards this had reduced to 12Gb. A gain of nearly 4Gb is a substantial 25%. I am curious to find out why either why the original usage figure was bloated or why a capacity has genuinely been won. any ideas please? Bill Ridgeway
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June 12th 09, 04:49 PM
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Bill Ridgeway "JS" @ wrote in message ... What software are you using to perform the wipe? -- JS http://www.pagestart.com "Bill Ridgeway" wrote in message ... As I have said there was 15.7Gb used (according to Windows Explorer) immediately before the secure wipe and 12.0Gb (according to Windows Explorer) immediately after the security wipe. This isn't a one-off. I've noticed this effect on several occasions. I would accept a small discrepancy but this isn't a small discrepancy. Bill Ridgeway "Gerry" wrote in message ... Bill That is a curious result. Where are you getting the figures from? Figures are misreported in places like Windows Explorer! -- Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bill Ridgeway wrote: Filling unused space with 0s & 1s Bill Ridgeway "Gerry" wrote in message ... Bill Please clarify what you mean by "security wipe"? -- Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bill Ridgeway wrote: I have just done a security wipe of my hard disk. Immediately before the security wipe 15.7Gb of the hard disk was used. Immediately afterwards this had reduced to 12Gb. A gain of nearly 4Gb is a substantial 25%. I am curious to find out why either why the original usage figure was bloated or why a capacity has genuinely been won. any ideas please? Bill Ridgeway
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#20
June 12th 09, 05:21 PM
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More than a simple "secure wipe", this utility has the following:
Cleans your hard disk files making your PC run better and faster without crashes !! Registry Cleaner to clear invalid registry entries. Registry defragger to fine tune your Windows System Registry. Privacy Protector to clean internet history, cookies, cache, and any hidden tracks kept by Windows. System files backup and restore with single click. I have not used it but would think that it's also doing some cleaning/deleting of more than just files you have selected to securely wipe. Check for option to turn on or off some of the features like the Registry Cleaner as this could cause more problems than any disk space it frees up. -- JS http://www.pagestart.com "Bill Ridgeway" wrote in message ... Advanced System Optimizer Bill Ridgeway "JS" @ wrote in message ... What software are you using to perform the wipe? -- JS http://www.pagestart.com "Bill Ridgeway" wrote in message ... As I have said there was 15.7Gb used (according to Windows Explorer) immediately before the secure wipe and 12.0Gb (according to Windows Explorer) immediately after the security wipe. This isn't a one-off. I've noticed this effect on several occasions. I would accept a small discrepancy but this isn't a small discrepancy. Bill Ridgeway "Gerry" wrote in message ... Bill That is a curious result. Where are you getting the figures from? Figures are misreported in places like Windows Explorer! -- Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bill Ridgeway wrote: Filling unused space with 0s & 1s Bill Ridgeway "Gerry" wrote in message ... Bill Please clarify what you mean by "security wipe"? -- Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bill Ridgeway wrote: I have just done a security wipe of my hard disk. Immediately before the security wipe 15.7Gb of the hard disk was used. Immediately afterwards this had reduced to 12Gb. A gain of nearly 4Gb is a substantial 25%. I am curious to find out why either why the original usage figure was bloated or why a capacity has genuinely been won. any ideas please? Bill Ridgeway
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June 12th 09, 05:21 PM
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More than a simple "secure wipe", this utility has the following:
Cleans your hard disk files making your PC run better and faster without crashes !! Registry Cleaner to clear invalid registry entries. Registry defragger to fine tune your Windows System Registry. Privacy Protector to clean internet history, cookies, cache, and any hidden tracks kept by Windows. System files backup and restore with single click. I have not used it but would think that it's also doing some cleaning/deleting of more than just files you have selected to securely wipe. Check for option to turn on or off some of the features like the Registry Cleaner as this could cause more problems than any disk space it frees up. -- JS http://www.pagestart.com "Bill Ridgeway" wrote in message ... Advanced System Optimizer Bill Ridgeway "JS" @ wrote in message ... What software are you using to perform the wipe? -- JS http://www.pagestart.com "Bill Ridgeway" wrote in message ... As I have said there was 15.7Gb used (according to Windows Explorer) immediately before the secure wipe and 12.0Gb (according to Windows Explorer) immediately after the security wipe. This isn't a one-off. I've noticed this effect on several occasions. I would accept a small discrepancy but this isn't a small discrepancy. Bill Ridgeway "Gerry" wrote in message ... Bill That is a curious result. Where are you getting the figures from? Figures are misreported in places like Windows Explorer! -- Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bill Ridgeway wrote: Filling unused space with 0s & 1s Bill Ridgeway "Gerry" wrote in message ... Bill Please clarify what you mean by "security wipe"? -- Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bill Ridgeway wrote: I have just done a security wipe of my hard disk. Immediately before the security wipe 15.7Gb of the hard disk was used. Immediately afterwards this had reduced to 12Gb. A gain of nearly 4Gb is a substantial 25%. I am curious to find out why either why the original usage figure was bloated or why a capacity has genuinely been won. any ideas please? Bill Ridgeway
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June 12th 09, 05:39 PM
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Advanced System Optimizer. A Registry Cleaner. Most users in these newsgroups would not have any Registry Cleaner on their computer. Who can say what it has done! -- Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bill Ridgeway wrote: Advanced System Optimizer Bill Ridgeway "JS" @ wrote in message ... What software are you using to perform the wipe? -- JS http://www.pagestart.com "Bill Ridgeway" wrote in message ... As I have said there was 15.7Gb used (according to Windows Explorer) immediately before the secure wipe and 12.0Gb (according to Windows Explorer) immediately after the security wipe. This isn't a one-off. I've noticed this effect on several occasions. I would accept a small discrepancy but this isn't a small discrepancy. Bill Ridgeway "Gerry" wrote in message ... Bill That is a curious result. Where are you getting the figures from? Figures are misreported in places like Windows Explorer! -- Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bill Ridgeway wrote: Filling unused space with 0s & 1s Bill Ridgeway "Gerry" wrote in message ... Bill Please clarify what you mean by "security wipe"? -- Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bill Ridgeway wrote: I have just done a security wipe of my hard disk. Immediately before the security wipe 15.7Gb of the hard disk was used. Immediately afterwards this had reduced to 12Gb. A gain of nearly 4Gb is a substantial 25%. I am curious to find out why either why the original usage figure was bloated or why a capacity has genuinely been won. any ideas please? Bill Ridgeway
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June 12th 09, 05:39 PM
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Advanced System Optimizer. A Registry Cleaner. Most users in these newsgroups would not have any Registry Cleaner on their computer. Who can say what it has done! -- Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bill Ridgeway wrote: Advanced System Optimizer Bill Ridgeway "JS" @ wrote in message ... What software are you using to perform the wipe? -- JS http://www.pagestart.com "Bill Ridgeway" wrote in message ... As I have said there was 15.7Gb used (according to Windows Explorer) immediately before the secure wipe and 12.0Gb (according to Windows Explorer) immediately after the security wipe. This isn't a one-off. I've noticed this effect on several occasions. I would accept a small discrepancy but this isn't a small discrepancy. Bill Ridgeway "Gerry" wrote in message ... Bill That is a curious result. Where are you getting the figures from? Figures are misreported in places like Windows Explorer! -- Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bill Ridgeway wrote: Filling unused space with 0s & 1s Bill Ridgeway "Gerry" wrote in message ... Bill Please clarify what you mean by "security wipe"? -- Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bill Ridgeway wrote: I have just done a security wipe of my hard disk. Immediately before the security wipe 15.7Gb of the hard disk was used. Immediately afterwards this had reduced to 12Gb. A gain of nearly 4Gb is a substantial 25%. I am curious to find out why either why the original usage figure was bloated or why a capacity has genuinely been won. any ideas please? Bill Ridgeway
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June 12th 09, 06:52 PM
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Advanced System Optimizer Bill Ridgeway Compare it to the system "cipher" utility, cipher /w http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encrypting_File_System Check in Help & Support, for cipher syntax. Then see whether cipher has the same side effects as your new utility. It is also possible, cipher is only in WinXP Pro. So if you have WinXP Home, you might try checking the i386 folder, to see if it is there. My Pro installer CD has CIPHER.EX_ in the i386 folder, which is a compressed copy of the utility. http://www.theeldergeek.com/forum/lo...php?t7591.html How to use Cipher.exe to overwrite deleted data in Windows Server 2003 http://support.microsoft.com/kb/814599 So that is a possible alternative. Paul
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June 12th 09, 06:52 PM
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Advanced System Optimizer Bill Ridgeway Compare it to the system "cipher" utility, cipher /w http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encrypting_File_System Check in Help & Support, for cipher syntax. Then see whether cipher has the same side effects as your new utility. It is also possible, cipher is only in WinXP Pro. So if you have WinXP Home, you might try checking the i386 folder, to see if it is there. My Pro installer CD has CIPHER.EX_ in the i386 folder, which is a compressed copy of the utility. http://www.theeldergeek.com/forum/lo...php?t7591.html How to use Cipher.exe to overwrite deleted data in Windows Server 2003 http://support.microsoft.com/kb/814599 So that is a possible alternative. Paul
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June 13th 09, 12:08 AM
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In article , info@
1001solutions.co.uk says... Advanced System Optimizer Maybe the features related to things other than Security Wiping have something to do with the recovered space... Maybe this was a spam and we all just feel for it? -- You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that. Trust yourself. (remove 999 for proper email address)
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June 13th 09, 12:08 AM
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In article , info@
1001solutions.co.uk says... Advanced System Optimizer Maybe the features related to things other than Security Wiping have something to do with the recovered space... Maybe this was a spam and we all just feel for it? -- You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that. Trust yourself. (remove 999 for proper email address)
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June 13th 09, 12:45 AM
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"Leythos" wrote in message om... In article , info@ 1001solutions.co.uk says... Advanced System Optimizer Maybe the features related to things other than Security Wiping have something to do with the recovered space... Maybe this was a spam and we all just feel for it? -- You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that. Trust yourself. (remove 999 for proper email address) One thing I was thinking about is the 12% of disk space reserved for system restore. It's reserved, but the unused portion can be released if the disk fills up and needs the space. I know that Diskeeper and other well behaved apps will recognize that space, and not interfere with it. Maybe that disk wipe program does not recognize the system restore space, and wipes and releases it. The 4GB recovered would be about right for a 40GB drive or partition.
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June 13th 09, 12:45 AM
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"Leythos" wrote in message om... In article , info@ 1001solutions.co.uk says... Advanced System Optimizer Maybe the features related to things other than Security Wiping have something to do with the recovered space... Maybe this was a spam and we all just feel for it? -- You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that. Trust yourself. (remove 999 for proper email address) One thing I was thinking about is the 12% of disk space reserved for system restore. It's reserved, but the unused portion can be released if the disk fills up and needs the space. I know that Diskeeper and other well behaved apps will recognize that space, and not interfere with it. Maybe that disk wipe program does not recognize the system restore space, and wipes and releases it. The 4GB recovered would be about right for a 40GB drive or partition.
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