Simple Question

I have a simple question -

I would like to find a program that would provide the ability to scan
and produce a video clip from all or a selectable part of my screen
into an AVI (or maybe any other) format which I could then provide to
someone to watch in standard media players, be it XP, W7, W8 CD,
DVD. whatever. Is that asking too much?

I have tried XP, W7, and W8 on multiple machines.

Can someone suggest a method that works? I am exasperated and out of
gas.

Thanks
Big Fred

On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 19:09:38 -0500, wrote:

I have a simple question -

I would like to find a program that would provide the ability to scan
and produce a video clip from all or a selectable part of my screen
into an AVI (or maybe any other) format which I could then provide to
someone to watch in standard media players, be it XP, W7, W8 CD,
DVD. whatever. Is that asking too much?

I have tried XP, W7, and W8 on multiple machines.

Can someone suggest a method that works? I am exasperated and out of
gas.

Thanks
Big Fred

To do that you will need a video editor which can do a screen capture.
This is one xample of many.
http://www.deskshare.com/screen-recorder.aspx

On 1/24/2014, richard posted:
On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 19:09:38 -0500, wrote:

I have a simple question -

I would like to find a program that would provide the ability to
scan and produce a video clip from all or a selectable part of my
screen into an AVI (or maybe any other) format which I could then
provide to someone to watch in standard media players, be it XP,
W7, W8 CD, DVD. whatever. Is that asking too much?

I have tried XP, W7, and W8 on multiple machines.

Can someone suggest a method that works? I am exasperated and out
of gas.

Thanks
Big Fred

To do that you will need a video editor which can do a screen
capture. This is one xample of many.
http://www.deskshare.com/screen-recorder.aspx

Or look for a free one...

It took me a minute to find this
http://camstudio.org/

which has been recommended on occasion.

I had to search because I didn't remember any product names, but when I
saw that one I remembered hearing of it.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

wrote:
I have a simple question -

I would like to find a program that would provide the ability to scan
and produce a video clip from all or a selectable part of my screen
into an AVI (or maybe any other) format which I could then provide to
someone to watch in standard media players, be it XP, W7, W8 CD,
DVD. whatever. Is that asking too much?

I have tried XP, W7, and W8 on multiple machines.

Can someone suggest a method that works? I am exasperated and out of
gas.

Thanks
Big Fred

You could give FRAPS a try. It's commercial.
When I used a trial version years ago, my Kaspersky AV went nuts!
So whatever it does, to do captures, may upset the heuristic
detection on your AV. It will think FRAPS is attacking the computer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FRAPS

The trick with all of these, is to get a product with an
honest capture rate. As soon as the product does any sort
of "compression", the capturing frame rate suffers.

In the list here, you can see CamStudio. On my dual core, that
only managed to snapshot the screen around 7 times per second.
Not capable of capturing smooth motion or anything. No matter
what the "claimed" capture rate was, the real rate appeared
to be 7 FPS.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CamStudio

Other examples are listed here, but those won't
all provide the same functions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categor...sting_software

*******

Another approach, is to use a second computer for capture.
You plug a capture card into it, like this one. This one is
cheap...

"AVerMedia AVerTV HD DVR C027 PCI-Express x1 Interface"
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16815100049

And this one is expensive (and amazing).

"Blackmagicdesign DeckLink 4K Extreme Capture & Playback Card BDLKHDEXTR4K $945"
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16815710056

That last one is over $900, but for the money, you get
true HD capture at 1080p60. The cheaper cards only do up
to 1080i60. The catch with the $900 card, is it doesn't support
HDCP. No encrypted HDCP traffic can be captured.

That one appears to do passthru - one HDMI is input and the
other is an output. The edge connector is PCI Express x4, so the
connector bandwidth is not a limitation like on the first card.

(click the DeckLink 4K Extreme)
http://www.blackmagicdesign.com/prod...link/techspecs

It would be fun to try the AverMedia one, but the first question
would be, what would your LCD monitor tolerate in terms of a
signal format ? Can a format be found, that could be fed to both
a capture card and the LCD monitor ? If a capture card lacks
the passthru option, you can always use a separate distribution amp.

(HDMI distribution amp - 1 in 2 out - should say buffered - uses 5V supply)

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...DMI_1_x_2.html

In any of my screen capture experiments, I've never been
happy with the software method. It probably needs a stronger
processor than I've got, or better written software. The hardware
methods, the only barriers are going to be whether the content
is protected or not (HDCP, Macrovision, fuzzy playback to prevent
YPbPr capture). The advertising for capture cards usually warns
you, that a protection method may prevent capture. Always read the
reviews, when they're available, to see if there is a way to
"trick" the card to do certain things.

Paul

On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 17:19:10 -0800, Gene E. Bloch wrote:

On 1/24/2014, richard posted:
On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 19:09:38 -0500, wrote:

I have a simple question -

I would like to find a program that would provide the ability to
scan and produce a video clip from all or a selectable part of my
screen into an AVI (or maybe any other) format which I could then
provide to someone to watch in standard media players, be it XP,
W7, W8 CD, DVD. whatever. Is that asking too much?

I have tried XP, W7, and W8 on multiple machines.

Can someone suggest a method that works? I am exasperated and out
of gas.

Thanks
Big Fred

To do that you will need a video editor which can do a screen
capture. This is one xample of many.
http://www.deskshare.com/screen-recorder.aspx

Or look for a free one...

It took me a minute to find this
http://camstudio.org/

which has been recommended on occasion.

I had to search because I didn't remember any product names, but when I
saw that one I remembered hearing of it.

yeah that is an oldie and maybe not such a goodie.
been around since the beginning of the web.
I tried it out and didn't find it all that worthwhile.

deskshare did have a video editor I had for awhile, which they no longer
sell or support, that had 9 tracks and could do picture in picture stuff.

I've probably tried all of the free editors a time or two and I don't think
any of them could do a really true screen capture.

In article , says...

wrote:
I have a simple question -

I would like to find a program that would provide the ability to scan
and produce a video clip from all or a selectable part of my screen
into an AVI (or maybe any other) format which I could then provide to
someone to watch in standard media players, be it XP, W7, W8 CD,
DVD. whatever. Is that asking too much?

I have tried XP, W7, and W8 on multiple machines.

Can someone suggest a method that works? I am exasperated and out of
gas.

Thanks
Big Fred

You could give FRAPS a try. It's commercial.
When I used a trial version years ago, my Kaspersky AV went nuts!
So whatever it does, to do captures, may upset the heuristic
detection on your AV. It will think FRAPS is attacking the computer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FRAPS

The trick with all of these, is to get a product with an
honest capture rate. As soon as the product does any sort
of "compression", the capturing frame rate suffers.

In the list here, you can see CamStudio. On my dual core, that
only managed to snapshot the screen around 7 times per second.
Not capable of capturing smooth motion or anything. No matter
what the "claimed" capture rate was, the real rate appeared
to be 7 FPS.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CamStudio

Other examples are listed here, but those won't
all provide the same functions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categor...sting_software

*******

Another approach, is to use a second computer for capture.
You plug a capture card into it, like this one. This one is
cheap...

"AVerMedia AVerTV HD DVR C027 PCI-Express x1 Interface"
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16815100049

Been awhile since tried screen capture a video but my hardware has now
changed. If I had to do it today I'd simply put my video card into dual
monitor "clone" mode with the second monitor actually being my hardware
dvd recorder. Run sound out sound card into same recorder and with
recording on the hardware dvd recorder the capture is as good as the pc
can play the video.

Note the hardware dvd recorder feeds the tv so as it's recording I can
monitor what it's recording. There's also the option of leaving dual
monitors in extended screen mode and simply move the video to the "tv"
monitor, go full screen and record (can see it on the tv) which leaves
other monitor free to do whatever (assuming pc doesn't stutter doing
so).

I will add limitation of the tv out to my analog gear is 1024x720 which
is fine for me but maybe not for others. I am happy with basic dvd
quality, I still use an old analog tv and one of my dual monitor screens
is lcd while other is a 21" NEC still works fine. I prefer the old
analog for gaming in particular with it's basically 0 response time.

If I want the captured video for other purposes besides just a normal
dvd to send to someone etc. I can simply rip it off the burned dvd.

pjp wrote:
In article , says...
wrote:
I have a simple question -

I would like to find a program that would provide the ability to scan
and produce a video clip from all or a selectable part of my screen
into an AVI (or maybe any other) format which I could then provide to
someone to watch in standard media players, be it XP, W7, W8 CD,
DVD. whatever. Is that asking too much?

I have tried XP, W7, and W8 on multiple machines.

Can someone suggest a method that works? I am exasperated and out of
gas.

Thanks
Big Fred
You could give FRAPS a try. It's commercial.
When I used a trial version years ago, my Kaspersky AV went nuts!
So whatever it does, to do captures, may upset the heuristic
detection on your AV. It will think FRAPS is attacking the computer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FRAPS

The trick with all of these, is to get a product with an
honest capture rate. As soon as the product does any sort
of "compression", the capturing frame rate suffers.

In the list here, you can see CamStudio. On my dual core, that
only managed to snapshot the screen around 7 times per second.
Not capable of capturing smooth motion or anything. No matter
what the "claimed" capture rate was, the real rate appeared
to be 7 FPS.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CamStudio

Other examples are listed here, but those won't
all provide the same functions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categor...sting_software

*******

Another approach, is to use a second computer for capture.
You plug a capture card into it, like this one. This one is
cheap...

"AVerMedia AVerTV HD DVR C027 PCI-Express x1 Interface"
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16815100049

Been awhile since tried screen capture a video but my hardware has now
changed. If I had to do it today I'd simply put my video card into dual
monitor "clone" mode with the second monitor actually being my hardware
dvd recorder. Run sound out sound card into same recorder and with
recording on the hardware dvd recorder the capture is as good as the pc
can play the video.

Note the hardware dvd recorder feeds the tv so as it's recording I can
monitor what it's recording. There's also the option of leaving dual
monitors in extended screen mode and simply move the video to the "tv"
monitor, go full screen and record (can see it on the tv) which leaves
other monitor free to do whatever (assuming pc doesn't stutter doing
so).

I will add limitation of the tv out to my analog gear is 1024x720 which
is fine for me but maybe not for others. I am happy with basic dvd
quality, I still use an old analog tv and one of my dual monitor screens
is lcd while other is a 21" NEC still works fine. I prefer the old
analog for gaming in particular with it's basically 0 response time.

If I want the captured video for other purposes besides just a normal
dvd to send to someone etc. I can simply rip it off the burned dvd.

I've never been able to get a decent signal out of TV-Out. And
I've never owned any gear that accepts Component signals (YPbPr).
That would be an ideal way, if you have it.

Really modern video cards tend to be missing the old mini-DIN connector.
It's one of the reasons I still use an old video card here, because
it has the potential to output that type of signal (last of the
mini-DINs).

(Analog outputs from video card...)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini-DIN_connector

(Example of a mini-DIN to component plus S-Video cable.
VIVO cards had even more connectors and wires.)

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/21pT%2BkWS2mL.jpg

The only problem with analog capture, is the bandwidth limitations
of the various interfaces. Component should be the best, but I
don't know if any capture card does an extra-ordinary job on that.
The first BlackMagic stuff can do Component up to a certain resolution,
but the exact value probably can't exceed the equivalent of 1080p60.

The whole idea of removing the mini-DIN, is to stop us
from copying stuff :-)

Paul

Paul wrote:
wrote:
I have a simple question -
I would like to find a program that would provide the ability to scan
and produce a video clip from all or a selectable part of my screen
into an AVI (or maybe any other) format which I could then provide to
someone to watch in standard media players, be it XP, W7, W8 CD,
DVD. whatever. Is that asking too much?

I have tried XP, W7, and W8 on multiple machines.

Can someone suggest a method that works? I am exasperated and out of
gas.

Thanks
Big Fred

You could give FRAPS a try. It's commercial.
When I used a trial version years ago, my Kaspersky AV went nuts!
So whatever it does, to do captures, may upset the heuristic
detection on your AV. It will think FRAPS is attacking the computer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FRAPS

The trick with all of these, is to get a product with an
honest capture rate. As soon as the product does any sort
of "compression", the capturing frame rate suffers.

In the list here, you can see CamStudio. On my dual core, that
only managed to snapshot the screen around 7 times per second.
Not capable of capturing smooth motion or anything. No matter
what the "claimed" capture rate was, the real rate appeared
to be 7 FPS.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CamStudio

Other examples are listed here, but those won't
all provide the same functions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categor...sting_software

*******

Another approach, is to use a second computer for capture.
You plug a capture card into it, like this one. This one is
cheap...

"AVerMedia AVerTV HD DVR C027 PCI-Express x1 Interface"
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16815100049

And this one is expensive (and amazing).

"Blackmagicdesign DeckLink 4K Extreme Capture & Playback Card
BDLKHDEXTR4K $945"
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16815710056

That last one is over $900, but for the money, you get
true HD capture at 1080p60. The cheaper cards only do up
to 1080i60. The catch with the $900 card, is it doesn't support
HDCP. No encrypted HDCP traffic can be captured.

That one appears to do passthru - one HDMI is input and the
other is an output. The edge connector is PCI Express x4, so the
connector bandwidth is not a limitation like on the first card.

(click the DeckLink 4K Extreme)
http://www.blackmagicdesign.com/prod...link/techspecs

It would be fun to try the AverMedia one, but the first question
would be, what would your LCD monitor tolerate in terms of a
signal format ? Can a format be found, that could be fed to both
a capture card and the LCD monitor ? If a capture card lacks
the passthru option, you can always use a separate distribution amp.

(HDMI distribution amp - 1 in 2 out - should say buffered - uses 5V supply)

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...DMI_1_x_2.html


In any of my screen capture experiments, I've never been
happy with the software method. It probably needs a stronger
processor than I've got, or better written software. The hardware
methods, the only barriers are going to be whether the content
is protected or not (HDCP, Macrovision, fuzzy playback to prevent
YPbPr capture). The advertising for capture cards usually warns
you, that a protection method may prevent capture. Always read the
reviews, when they're available, to see if there is a way to
"trick" the card to do certain things.

Paul

I can see there are some leaks in the space/time continuum.
Lots of useful research going on, for those into 1080p60.

http://forum.videohelp.com/threads/3...rippers/page11

Strippers of one sort or another have been available for a while.
I'm just surprised they're that easily available.

Paul

wrote:
I have a simple question -

I would like to find a program that would provide the ability to scan
and produce a video clip from all or a selectable part of my screen
into an AVI (or maybe any other) format which I could then provide to
someone to watch in standard media players, be it XP, W7, W8 CD,
DVD. whatever. Is that asking too much?

I have tried XP, W7, and W8 on multiple machines.

Can someone suggest a method that works? I am exasperated and out of
gas.

Thanks
Big Fred

Here is what I use
http://www.faststone.org/FSCaptureDetail.htm

In message ,
writes:
I have a simple question -

I would like to find a program that would provide the ability to scan
and produce a video clip from all or a selectable part of my screen
into an AVI (or maybe any other) format which I could then provide to
someone to watch in standard media players, be it XP, W7, W8 CD,
DVD. whatever. Is that asking too much?

I have tried XP, W7, and W8 on multiple machines.

Can someone suggest a method that works? I am exasperated and out of
gas.

Thanks
Big Fred

I found Debut Video Capture did what I wanted when I did; that was a few
years ago under XP. It did it at a low frame rate - about 1 fps I think
- but that was enough for what I wanted, which was to show how a website
wasn't working (it also recorded audio, i. e. my voice saying what I was
doing). I think it will capture at a higher rate - that is just a
setting; it defaulted to 1 on starting because it detected the computer
was running slowly (a box popped up - tooltip from the tray - telling me
that was happening and also where to turn that off).

The version I have's help page leads to
http://www.nchsoftware.com/capture/index.html; whether it's still free,
and which versions of Windows it now works with, I have no idea.

It did allow me to select a limited area rather than the full screen to
record.
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classroom

On 1/25/2014 5:30 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message ,
writes:
I have a simple question -

I would like to find a program that would provide the ability to scan
and produce a video clip from all or a selectable part of my screen
into an AVI (or maybe any other) format which I could then provide to
someone to watch in standard media players, be it XP, W7, W8 CD,
DVD. whatever. Is that asking too much?

I have tried XP, W7, and W8 on multiple machines.

Can someone suggest a method that works? I am exasperated and out of
gas.

Thanks
Big Fred

I found Debut Video Capture did what I wanted when I did; that was a few
years ago under XP. It did it at a low frame rate - about 1 fps I think
- but that was enough for what I wanted, which was to show how a website
wasn't working (it also recorded audio, i. e. my voice saying what I was
doing). I think it will capture at a higher rate - that is just a
setting; it defaulted to 1 on starting because it detected the computer
was running slowly (a box popped up - tooltip from the tray - telling me
that was happening and also where to turn that off).

The version I have's help page leads to
http://www.nchsoftware.com/capture/index.html; whether it's still free,
and which versions of Windows it now works with, I have no idea.

It did allow me to select a limited area rather than the full screen to
record.
Ashampoo Snap