10, a losing proposition

I'm still with 7, on both my desktop and laptop, and likely to remain
so. When 8 came along, I thoroughly checked it out, and concluded, not
for me. With 10, I've repeatedly asked, if anyone could give me one
good reason to give up 7 for 10, and so far nobody has. Reading this
group, I feel I've made the right decision. My 3 biggest concern are
that 10 : (1) updates when it feels like it, where 7 updates only if
and when I want. (2) Didn't I see that adverts were inbedded ? (3) 10
must naturally consume more system resources and HD.

On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 15:39:06 -0500
wrote:

I'm still with 7, on both my desktop and laptop, and likely to remain
so. When 8 came along, I thoroughly checked it out, and concluded, not
for me. With 10, I've repeatedly asked, if anyone could give me one
good reason to give up 7 for 10, and so far nobody has

Cut!

There is no reason to give it up for 10.

Windows 10 is the worst POS I have ever seen.

I used Windows 7 for years, but gave it up because I knew Microsoft was
going to end support.

I moved to Linux Mint, and would never think about using Windows 10. It
just amazes me why people put up with Microsoft when they don't have
to.


https://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=3458

Johnny wrote:
On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 15:39:06 -0500
wrote:

I'm still with 7, on both my desktop and laptop, and likely to remain
so. When 8 came along, I thoroughly checked it out, and concluded, not
for me. With 10, I've repeatedly asked, if anyone could give me one
good reason to give up 7 for 10, and so far nobody has

Cut!

There is no reason to give it up for 10.

Windows 10 is the worst POS I have ever seen.

I used Windows 7 for years, but gave it up because I knew Microsoft was
going to end support.

I moved to Linux Mint, and would never think about using Windows 10. It
just amazes me why people put up with Microsoft when they don't have
to.


https://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=3458


Do you provide free tech support ?

The quality of the distros in the last year and a half,
is nothing to write home about.

I have a couple DVDs here, where networking doesn't
work. It turns out to be a DNS problem, which I can
sometimes fix, and sometimes not.

And some distro I got recently, they switched to "Snaps"
from Synaptic/Apt and Snaps is *completely broken*. What's
the point of a distro, where you can't install anything ?

Is that good advertising for the Linux ecosystem ?

I would have no trouble recommending some older LTS
distros, but support for them isn't going to last forever.
I keep some LTS versions on USB keys.

Paul

On 12/21/2017 12:57 PM, Johnny wrote:
On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 15:39:06 -0500
wrote:

I'm still with 7, on both my desktop and laptop, and likely to remain
so. When 8 came along, I thoroughly checked it out, and concluded, not
for me. With 10, I've repeatedly asked, if anyone could give me one
good reason to give up 7 for 10, and so far nobody has

Cut!

There is no reason to give it up for 10.

Windows 10 is the worst POS I have ever seen.

I used Windows 7 for years, but gave it up because I knew Microsoft was
going to end support.

I moved to Linux Mint, and would never think about using Windows 10. It
just amazes me why people put up with Microsoft when they don't have
to.

I think you're absolutely right.
But you might also consider:
Why would people give up on MS when they don't have to?
Why would people move to mint when it takes considerable
relearning to get only part of what they already have?
Why would people change to an OS that clearly hasn't got support
from hardware vendors or commercial software vendors?
Why would people switch to an OS that's CHAOS with ever-increasing
entropy?

My 'daily drivers' are all windows 7 because no other OS offers
a complete solution to everything I currently do.
BUT, the day will come when new hardware and software no longer runs
in windows 7. So, I dabble in win10 and several versions of linux.
All my hardware got the free win10 digital entitlement so I'm prepared.

Nobody can give you a reason to switch. You will decide when switching
is more appealing to YOU than not switching.
A new OS is like a new car. You get one when the old one no longer
suits you. Or when someone wrecks it. Or you just want one. You'll
know when it's time. The variable is whether you were smart enough
to get it when it was free.

About win10.
The current version allows you to pause updates for a month.
It's still a PITA, but at least, the damn thing won't be locking up
for hours doing upgrades when you can least afford it.
That one improvement moved win10 from my 'no way in hell' category
to my 'hmmm, lemmesee whatwegothere' category.

I wish they didn't force updates at all, but that's the way it is.
I'll get over it.

Advertising comes from everywhere. The amount directly from the OS
seems to be tolerable if you turn off everything you can.
If you have a metered internet connection where you pay by the byte,
you're screwed...eventually you have to download a lot of crap, just like
you're now doing with Android. The metered connection deferral is
useful until they decide to disable it.

Desktop linux is not a viable alternative.
Microsoft owns what's left of the desktop.
Resistance is futile.

The science fiction movies from the 60's were right. Big brother
knows everything you do and everywhere you've been and you get advertising.
Get over it.

On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 17:15:04 -0500
Wolf K wrote:

On 2017-12-21 17:08, Paul wrote:
Johnny wrote:
On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 15:39:06 -0500
wrote:

I'm still with 7, on both my desktop and laptop, and likely to
remain so. When 8 came along, I thoroughly checked it out, and
concluded, not for me. With 10, I've repeatedly asked, if anyone
could give me one good reason to give up 7 for 10, and so far
nobody has

Cut!

There is no reason to give it up for 10.

Windows 10 is the worst POS I have ever seen.

I used Windows 7 for years, but gave it up because I knew
Microsoft was going to end support.

I moved to Linux Mint, and would never think about using Windows
10.Â* It justÂ* amazes me why people put up with Microsoft when they
don't have to.


https://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=3458


Do you provide free tech support ?

The quality of the distros in the last year and a half,
is nothing to write home about.

I have a couple DVDs here, where networking doesn't
work. It turns out to be a DNS problem, which I can
sometimes fix, and sometimes not.

And some distro I got recently, they switched to "Snaps"
from Synaptic/Apt and Snaps is *completely broken*. What's
the point of a distro, where you can't install anything ?

Is that good advertising for the Linux ecosystem ?

I would have no trouble recommending some older LTS
distros, but support for them isn't going to last forever.
I keep some LTS versions on USB keys.

Â*Â* Paul

I would have stayed with Mint, but the scrollbar gave me the fits.
You have to grab a handle of some sort, and it's easy to miss it,
hard to get hold of.


I guess that's a joke. You don't need a scrollbar if your mouse has a
wheel.

The scrollbar has no handle, you grab it anywhere.

On 12/21/2017 03:57 PM, Johnny wrote:
On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 15:39:06 -0500
wrote:

I'm still with 7, on both my desktop and laptop, and likely to remain
so. When 8 came along, I thoroughly checked it out, and concluded, not
for me. With 10, I've repeatedly asked, if anyone could give me one
good reason to give up 7 for 10, and so far nobody has

Cut!

There is no reason to give it up for 10.

Windows 10 is the worst POS I have ever seen.

I used Windows 7 for years, but gave it up because I knew Microsoft was
going to end support.

I moved to Linux Mint, and would never think about using Windows 10. It
just amazes me why people put up with Microsoft when they don't have
to.


https://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=3458

I moved to mint cinnamon. I found the menu to be closer to Windows and
the learning curve less than Mate. Not much though.
To make the move sweeter, and because I can (or learned), I themed my
copy the way I wanted it. Better icons, better colors, larger text to
accommodate eyesight etc. All in all I find it next to impossible to
use 10 now. Even my wife bitches at 10's small fonts and her eyesight
is great.

In 5 years, I've never needed any support for 7.

On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 18:35:25 -0500, wrote:

In 5 years, I've never needed any support for 7.

Good, then go to the 7 group & stop the BS here.


KenW

On 12/21/2017 3:51 PM, KenW wrote:
On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 18:35:25 -0500, wrote:

In 5 years, I've never needed any support for 7.

In 20 years I've never RECEIVED any HELPFUL support from MS.

Good, then go to the 7 group & stop the BS here.
But I've received a TON of bitchy responses from others
in the newsgroups.


KenW

mike wrote:

But I've received a TON of bitchy responses from others
in the newsgroups.

Speaking of responses, how did your "free upgrade" attempt
to Win10 by Dec.31 go ? Did it activate ?

Paul

On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 16:12:43 -0800, mike wrote:

On 12/21/2017 3:51 PM, KenW wrote:
On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 18:35:25 -0500, wrote:

In 5 years, I've never needed any support for 7.

In 20 years I've never RECEIVED any HELPFUL support from MS.

Good, then go to the 7 group & stop the BS here.
But I've received a TON of bitchy responses from others
in the newsgroups.


KenW


Because there is a newsgroup for everything you want. NOT HERE


KenW

On 12/21/2017 02:28 PM, mike wrote:
On 12/21/2017 12:57 PM, Johnny wrote:
On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 15:39:06 -0500
wrote:

I'm still with 7, on both my desktop and laptop, and likely to remain
so. When 8 came along, I thoroughly checked it out, and concluded, not
for me. With 10, I've repeatedly asked, if anyone could give me one
good reason to give up 7 for 10, and so far nobody has

Cut!

There is no reason to give it up for 10.

Windows 10 is the worst POS I have ever seen.

I used Windows 7 for years, but gave it up because I knew Microsoft was
going to end support.

I moved to Linux Mint, and would never think about using Windows 10. It
just amazes me why people put up with Microsoft when they don't have
to.

I think you're absolutely right.
But you might also consider:
Why would people give up on MS when they don't have to?

And you blew it here, by answering your own question below.

About win10.
The current version allows you to pause updates for a month.
It's still a PITA, but at least, the damn thing won't be locking up
for hours doing upgrades when you can least afford it.
...
I wish they didn't force updates at all, but that's the way it is.
I'll get over it.

Advertising comes from everywhere. The amount directly from the OS
seems to be tolerable if you turn off everything you can.

On 12/21/2017 02:57 PM, Johnny wrote:

[snip]

I used Windows 7 for years, but gave it up because I knew Microsoft was
going to end support.

I found M$ "end of support" to have little to no effect of the usability
of the system. Eventually, there'll be compatibility problems, but it
takes 2 or 3 years before that happens. IIRC, I used Win2000 for more
than 3 years after M$ end of support.

I moved to Linux Mint, and would never think about using Windows 10.

I thought about Linux since XP was new, and had the new anti-usability
feature, although I didn't start using it much until later (IIRC a
distro that came out in spring 2010).

It
just amazes me why people put up with Microsoft when they don't have
to.

I suppose a lot of them have no idea there's any software choices other
than what M$ offers.

BTW, I still read M$ and think "M-string", because of BASIC variable
names from the eighties, where $ after the variable name means a string
variable.


https://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=3458



--
4 days until the winter celebration (Monday December 25, 2017 12:00:00
AM for 1 day).

Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

God did not create the world in 7 days. He screwed around for 6 days and
then pulled an all-nighter.

On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 15:39:06 -0500, wrote:

I'm still with 7, on both my desktop and laptop, and likely to remain
so. When 8 came along, I thoroughly checked it out, and concluded, not
for me. With 10, I've repeatedly asked, if anyone could give me one
good reason to give up 7 for 10, and so far nobody has. Reading this
group, I feel I've made the right decision. My 3 biggest concern are
that 10 : (1) updates when it feels like it, where 7 updates only if
and when I want. (2) Didn't I see that adverts were inbedded ? (3) 10
must naturally consume more system resources and HD.

On that last point I find 10 needs less resources.
I have Windows 10 running on a Pentium 1.6 with 1 GB RAM and
it is able to do some useful things like play youtube full screen.

On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 17:08:53 -0500, Paul
wrote:

Johnny wrote:
On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 15:39:06 -0500
wrote:

I'm still with 7, on both my desktop and laptop, and likely to remain
so. When 8 came along, I thoroughly checked it out, and concluded, not
for me. With 10, I've repeatedly asked, if anyone could give me one
good reason to give up 7 for 10, and so far nobody has

Cut!

There is no reason to give it up for 10.

Windows 10 is the worst POS I have ever seen.

I used Windows 7 for years, but gave it up because I knew Microsoft was
going to end support.

I moved to Linux Mint, and would never think about using Windows 10. It
just amazes me why people put up with Microsoft when they don't have
to.


https://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=3458


Do you provide free tech support ?

The quality of the distros in the last year and a half,
is nothing to write home about.

I have a couple DVDs here, where networking doesn't
work. It turns out to be a DNS problem, which I can
sometimes fix, and sometimes not.

And some distro I got recently, they switched to "Snaps"
from Synaptic/Apt and Snaps is *completely broken*. What's
the point of a distro, where you can't install anything ?

Is that good advertising for the Linux ecosystem ?

I would have no trouble recommending some older LTS
distros, but support for them isn't going to last forever.
I keep some LTS versions on USB keys.

Try Solaris.



Paul