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Downgrading from Win 8
I'm seriously considering dumping Win 8 from a new computer
and installing either XP Pro or Win 7 very possibly the former-- and keep it on 'til the updates stop nest year and then, if I live that long, upgrading to Win 7. Yeah ---laugh all you want -- but, to my actual question: My understand is that I install the OS then install the drivers (right?). So, that's fine --if I have the drivers on a disk. But, suppose I download the drivers ahead of installing the OS -- how then do I get them on the machine? |
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I'm seriously considering dumping Win 8 from a new computer and installing either XP Pro or Win 7 very possibly the former-- and keep it on 'til the updates stop nest year and then, if I live that long, upgrading to Win 7. Yeah ---laugh all you want -- but, to my actual question: My understand is that I install the OS then install the drivers (right?). So, that's fine --if I have the drivers on a disk. But, suppose I download the drivers ahead of installing the OS -- how then do I get them on the machine? You can "slipstreeam" drivers into an installer DVD. Then, burn a new DVD. This site illustrates a tool with that capability. Note that, as new OSes come out, you may need to find another software product, to do the job. The developers who do stuff like this, they eventually tire of putting a lot of work into this stuff for free. And then someone else comes along to pick up the slack. http://www.nliteos.com/guide/part1.html http://www.nliteos.com/guide/pictures/a6.jpg Only drivers in a certain format, can be integrated. Not all driver package formats are acceptable. The advantage of integrating drivers, is to make a custom reinstallation disc, for a particular machine. ******* You install drivers, after the base OS is installed. And, you might ask, how is that possible ? It's possible, because: 1) Base OS has standard drivers for hard disk drives. And that support gets better, from OS to OS. Windows 7 would have IDE, AHCI, and RAID (limited brands). No need to "F6 in a driver" as a result. 2) Video driver fallback. The base OS has a VESA driver. Video cards contain a VESA BIOS. The declarations (plug and play), allow the screen to be operated in a basic mode. The resolution is typically lower than normal. While working in the low-resolution screen, you can then start to install the video related drivers. (DirectX, AGP driver, .NET 2.0 or higher for the control panel, video card package). Same thing happens, when you uninstall the video driver, using Add/Remove. The screen needs something to work with, and goes back to VESA mode and the fallback driver. 3) Mouse and keyboard follow standards. Such as HID and USB standards. Driver is built into the OS. So with some luck, enough basic drivers are already present, you get a tiny screen to work in, and finish driver installation. Dealing with a busted NIC can be a problem, especially if you didn't "plan ahead" and put the drivers on a CD or a USB stick. Usually, the NIC comes with support back to the dawn of time, so of all the hardware types, driver coverage is usually pretty good for NICs. Just a matter of getting the files in the first place (from Intel, Broadcom, Marvell, RealTek, VIA etc.) Have fun, Paul |
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Ken Blake wrote:
On Sun, 08 Sep 2013 09:03:41 -0500, wrote: I'm seriously considering dumping Win 8 from a new computer and installing either XP Pro or Win 7 very possibly the former-- and keep it on 'til the updates stop nest year and then, if I live that long, upgrading to Win 7. Yeah ---laugh all you want -- but, to my actual question: I won't laugh, but you'd be making a bad mistake, as far as I'm concerned. My understand is that I install the OS then install the drivers (right?). So, that's fine --if I have the drivers on a disk. But, suppose I download the drivers ahead of installing the OS -- how then do I get them on the machine? Copy them to a CD, DVD, thumb drive, etc., then install them from that after installing the operating system. I agree with the above. The reason being that the drivers won't or are not available for modern hardware using winxp. I could be wrong see link below. http://windows.microsoft.com/en-GB/w...d-support-help I also had a winxp compatible motherboard and if I tried to run modern software on it using winxp. It did not perform very well. So I installed win7 on it. And it was a vast improvement over winXP. Main area was internet use. If you want to go back to winxp the safest way is to use virtualbox. As I think in your thread you started about 'confusion' some did recommend you try virtualbox. Owe and about your computer icon. If you look at the taskbar in the win8 desktop you should see a icon to the left that looks like a folder with a half blue square in the bottom middle of it. left click on it and you will see that it functions the same way the 'my computer' icon does in winxp. |
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On Sun, 08 Sep 2013 08:40:01 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote: On Sun, 08 Sep 2013 09:03:41 -0500, wrote: I'm seriously considering dumping Win 8 from a new computer and installing either XP Pro or Win 7 very possibly the former-- and keep it on 'til the updates stop nest year and then, if I live that long, upgrading to Win 7. Yeah ---laugh all you want -- but, to my actual question: I won't laugh, but you'd be making a bad mistake, as far as I'm concerned. Well, I know there are many, maybe most, who agree with you. But, Win 8 to me is no longer "personal computing" and in fact is the final end of such. But, I'm nearly 79 years old and probably won't last longer than WinXP followed my Win7. I've been doing computers since the very begining -- my first was before floppy disks were invented and before the word "software" was coined. So I want access to the computer and won't change because Microsoft says I should! My understand is that I install the OS then install the drivers (right?). So, that's fine --if I have the drivers on a disk. But, suppose I download the drivers ahead of installing the OS -- how then do I get them on the machine? Copy them to a CD, DVD, thumb drive, etc., then install them from that after installing the operating system. |
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On Sun, 08 Sep 2013 08:40:01 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote: My understand is that I install the OS then install the drivers (right?). So, that's fine --if I have the drivers on a disk. But, suppose I download the drivers ahead of installing the OS -- how then do I get them on the machine? Copy them to a CD, DVD, thumb drive, etc., then install them from that after installing the operating system. Isn't there more to installation than sinply copying? Copy to where --just anywhere --- ? I'm not convinced. And if this failed I have nothing! |
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: On Sun, 08 Sep 2013 08:40:01 -0700, Ken Blake wrote: My understand is that I install the OS then install the drivers (right?). So, that's fine --if I have the drivers on a disk. But, suppose I download the drivers ahead of installing the OS -- how then do I get them on the machine? Copy them to a CD, DVD, thumb drive, etc., then install them from that after installing the operating system. Isn't there more to installation than sinply copying? Copy to where --just anywhere --- ? I'm not convinced. And if this failed I have nothing! Most drivers, you simply copy the exe to your hard-drive... desktop is fine... sometimes some folks put them on the "C:\" drive; but that may send your 3rd-party firewalls/AVs into tizzy-fits... Once you've copied them, you double-click and generally it will give you an 'extraction dialog' which generally you can just go with the defaults... Presuming based on a deduction that if you've made any power-user directory or partition exeptions, you wouldn't be seeking assistance on this particular issue. Hang in there on Windows 8! Like all things, you'll get used to it and adapt to it. It'll still be " s - t - 0 - 0 - p - i - d " ; but, you will get used to it - and be up with the times as a bonus for no extra charge. HTH. -- I AM Bucky Breeder, (*(^; and , I thought of running for mayor of NYC... but s'exting pictures of my penis back to myself suddenly makes me a "narcisisst"? Since when did THAT become a "bad thing"? Oh well, "Sticks and stones..." |
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wrote in message ... Well, I know there are many, maybe most, who agree with you. But, Win 8 to me is no longer "personal computing" and in fact is the final end of such. But, I'm nearly 79 years old and probably won't last longer than WinXP followed my Win7. Install Classic Shell (or similar) and Win8 is nearly identical to Win7. I've been doing computers since the very begining -- my first was before floppy disks were invented and before the word "software" was coined. So I want access to the computer and won't change because Microsoft says I should! But access what? I have access to everything on my system. But then again I don't store non-static items in places I shouldn't (like some people store data in the same folder the program that uses said data under \Program Files which is where data should never be stored). |
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On 09 Sep 2013 14:38:04 GMT, "Bucky \"Optimist\" Breeder"
wrote: posted this via : On Sun, 08 Sep 2013 08:40:01 -0700, Ken Blake wrote: My understand is that I install the OS then install the drivers (right?). So, that's fine --if I have the drivers on a disk. But, suppose I download the drivers ahead of installing the OS -- how then do I get them on the machine? Copy them to a CD, DVD, thumb drive, etc., then install them from that after installing the operating system. Isn't there more to installation than sinply copying? Copy to where --just anywhere --- ? I'm not convinced. And if this failed I have nothing! Most drivers, you simply copy the exe to your hard-drive... desktop is fine... sometimes some folks put them on the "C:\" drive; but that may send your 3rd-party firewalls/AVs into tizzy-fits... Once you've copied them, you double-click and generally it will give you an 'extraction dialog' which generally you can just go with the defaults... Presuming based on a deduction that if you've made any power-user directory or partition exeptions, you wouldn't be seeking assistance on this particular issue. Hang in there on Windows 8! Like all things, you'll get used to it and adapt to it. It'll still be " s - t - 0 - 0 - p - i - d " ; but, you will get used to it - and be up with the times as a bonus for no extra charge. HTH. Well, I probably won't live that long --but I'll try that after XP stops upgrades and then Win 7 stops upgrades. Being "up with the times" is not high on my list --- I don't even own anything with a touch screen and, so fa,r haven't found any reason to do so. What is the expression ? Ah, --- "he's old and set in his ways". :-) |
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On Mon, 9 Sep 2013 11:13:33 -0400, "Seth"
wrote: wrote in message .. . Well, I know there are many, maybe most, who agree with you. But, Win 8 to me is no longer "personal computing" and in fact is the final end of such. But, I'm nearly 79 years old and probably won't last longer than WinXP followed my Win7. Install Classic Shell (or similar) and Win8 is nearly identical to Win7. Well, I did install Classic Shell. And "nearly" subjective. I didn't find it so --- but then I haven't learned Win 7 well yet either --- just bought a new laptop with 7 installed so I'll start I've been doing computers since the very begining -- my first was before floppy disks were invented and before the word "software" was coined. So I want access to the computer and won't change because Microsoft says I should! But access what? I have access to everything on my system. But then again I don't store non-static items in places I shouldn't (like some people store data in the same folder the program that uses said data under \Program Files which is where data should never be stored). |
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On Mon, 09 Sep 2013 16:57:05 +0200, Carpe_Diem
wrote: Op 8/09/2013 16:03, schreef: I'm seriously considering dumping Win 8 from a new computer and installing either XP Pro or Win 7 very possibly the former-- and keep it on 'til the updates stop nest year and then, if I live that long, upgrading to Win 7. Yeah ---laugh all you want -- but, to my actual question: My understand is that I install the OS then install the drivers (right?). So, that's fine --if I have the drivers on a disk. But, suppose I download the drivers ahead of installing the OS -- how then do I get them on the machine? First : do the upgrade Windows 8.1. Still convinced to downgrade? Take Windows 7 and forget XP. I am "old" too, but upgrading from XP to W7 was no problem at all. That's what I'll plan to do --- after XP stops upgrades. |
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